#captain Stohl

[penguuthegentoo]

Friiiiiiedrich! My wacko changeling mani

He’s a bit masochistic and doesn’t really have any good social skills but he’s cute and offers a lot of entertainment so atleast that

[tgirldarkholme]

I'm sure you're right but why do you dislike the Carol Corps when you're such a Carol Danvers fan???

First, never assume anyone on the Internet you don't know is a dog is right.

In case this wasn't clear I consider myself foremost a Marvel's Marvel Family fan. Anyone who has held one of the Marvel Family titles (Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Protector of the Universe, Quasar, etc.) and their supporting cast is part of it. I think it should be more often conceptualized as such, the way the DC Marvel Family (or the Batfamily, the Spider-Family, etc.) is, with one ongoing per character regularly crossing over, maybe a common editorial, etc.

The Monica fandom is fairly friendly with the Vells fandom/general cosmic Marvel fandom, the Kamala fandom, etc. united under the stance of wanting more exposure for their characters, while the "Carol Corps" (ie those who are KSD stans first and foremost) are extremely hostile to any Marvel Family content outside what's in the footprints of Kelly Sue DeConnick (and you know how I feel about her characterization).

This can have an undercurrent of queerphobia like the attempts at making cosmic Marvel "more mainstream" (ie straight) certainly, but what is most overt is just how insanely racist they are, which I'm certainly not the first to notice. (I mean, Monica fans were already fighting KSD on this very site over this that she had to write (as the sixth issue of her run) a story acknowledging Monica (which she never did for Phyla btw) and having her team up with Carol, but with Carol absorbing Monica for a power-up, which might have been a way to "get at" the Monica fans who were bothering her under the pretense of appeasing them.)

However, it became an increasingly major problem after the movie was released (with its infamously racist treatment of the Rambeau family, and arguably of Nick Fury), bringing a lot of attention to the characters. It has resurfaced as the "Carol Corps" lash out at any news suggesting that Monica or Kamala might get more exposure (as the director and writer of the sequel is a black Monica fan), like when the name "The Marvels" was revealed, when SLJ called Monica the Black Captain Marvel, even with something as anodyne as the account for movie news updates posting a comic-book panel of Monica.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22In%20Marvel%20mythology%2C%20Captain%20Marvel%20is%20the%20legacy%20of%20Mar-Vell%22%20OR%20%22was%20forcibly%20named%20CM%22%20OR%20youtu.be%2Fl2Y8VXoCpcE&f=live

This behavior has gone widespread with functionally no overt pushback from editors and writers. I mentioned that KSD issue with bizarrely racist subtext surrounding Monica borne out of a fight with Monica fans on here (which may not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and I don't think KSD is a racist, at least against black people, but it represent the earliest spat – the general lesbophobia surrounding Phyla-Vell, Tracy Burke, and Avril Kincaid under KSD and Stohl is quite more concerning).

This has led modern cosmic Marvel writers to ignore Carol's existence as much as editorial will let them to (LoCM makes her basically unwrittable in a cosmic Marvel context anyway, which was the point), while Monica Rambeau writers have made their distaste for the racist treatment of the character, and in particular for KSD's run and the MCU, quite clear, indirectly in the comics themselves through not always subtle jabs, more directly outside of them (1, 2).

That situation will continue as long as the "Carol Corps" is the way it is and there's no real effort to push back against it and put all the Marvel Family characters on an equal footing.

[sineala]

What are your thoughts on the run that completely rewrote Tony’s origin so that he wasn’t Howard and Maria’s biological son? Is that still the current origin story they’re going with?

Thanks for asking! This is still Tony's current origin story and I hate it. I think it was poorly thought-out and that every subsequent thing Marvel has done to attempt to address it has somehow made it worse. I think they've managed to tell an incredibly upsetting and unpleasant story, portraying adoption in an extremely negative light, that has pretty much only made life worse for Tony and not even in a way that's narratively interesting.

I have some salt about this, yes.

I'm not against adoption retcons in general, and I'm not against retconning character backgrounds. I get the impression it was unpopular but I really liked the retcon of Carol's background a couple years ago in the Life of Captain Marvel miniseries by Margaret Stohl -- instead of her being a human given powers by the Psyche-Magnitron, she was revealed to have been secretly half-Kree, and the device merely catalyzed her latent powers. Her mother was secretly Kree and Carol never knew. The miniseries actually had a really nice scene of her and Tony talking about families, because understandably Carol (also now Car-Ell because, yes, she has a Kree name) now had a lot of complicated feelings. Kelly Thompson's Captain Marvel run continued to explore the implications of this, as Carol found out that she actually had Kree relatives. So Carol's got a new half-sister, Lauri-Ell, and they were immediately thrown into a situation where Carol had to defend her and believe in her and it was great and also now they're friends. Well, family. Friendly family. I think Lauri-Ell was probably the best thing about Thompson's Captain Marvel run and I'm honestly really glad Marvel went there.

Tony didn't get anything like that.

As far as I know, the way Kieron Gillen approached his Iron Man run was by not doing the reading and then completely winging it. And while winging it isn't inherently bad, it did mean that not only did he not know where he was going, he didn't know what had come before. That, combined with the fact that a lot of comics writers want to "make their mark" on a famous character meant that he was probably wanting to go for something big. Hence, adoption. Which, again, isn't inherently a bad idea; it can definitely give characters a lot to explore. It's a little odd as a choice for Tony who as far as we know is Howard and Maria's biological son in every other universe in the multiverse; there's no motivation given for why 616 should be different, and off the top of my head I can't name any other characters who only differ cross-universe in adoption status, although now that I think about it I bet there are probably some universes where other people raised Peter Parker.

Also "Arno" is a really odd name choice for Tony's brother. I get that Gillen was pulling the name of a future relative from the original Iron Man 2020 issues, which if you're gonna read one thing is a deeply weird thing to pick. I remember people asking him why he didn't name Tony's brother Greg. Ultimates is a universe where Tony in fact has a brother named Greg. That would have at least made some sort of multiversal sense. Apparently Gillen just… hadn't known Greg existed. Great.

Okay. So you're gonna tell a story about adoption. You're going to reveal that a beloved character has been secretly adopted all along and no one knew. What are you going to get out of it? What are you going to accomplish? Here are some possible choices. You could tell a story that's inspirational and representational to fans who are themselves adopted or have adopted children, because now their hero is just like them. You could tell a story about how Howard and Maria adopting Tony meant he was very much loved and wanted, because they consciously chose him and made him a part of their family. You could tell a story about how Tony, who has been an orphan for a very long time, has suddenly discovered that he has living family -- a brother, as well as his biological parents. You'd be giving him more people in his story, more people who could care about him, and I think you could tell a lot of interesting stories about Tony's new family dynamics. He could have had family who loved him, or at least hung around to interact with him -- Tony's only other relative we've ever seen, his cousin Morgan, hasn't been in an Iron Man comic in years, and also usually tries to kill him. But they could have taken this opportunity to make some changes. Imagine! Tony with a bigger family! Who cares about him.

That's not what Marvel did.

The reason Howard and Maria adopted Tony was that they needed a decoy son who was not their biological son (Arno) so that the alien who had genetically modified Arno wouldn't realize that Howard had undone his work. So that's why they adopted Tony. It wasn't because they wanted him specifically, loved him, wanted to give him a family, any of that -- they just needed a decoy. And in that light, the fact that Howard didn't love Tony looks even worse. Now it's not just "I never loved you," it's "I never loved you and I only ever wanted you to fulfill this weird plan I had going with an alien." Now you're telling the story "of course I never loved you, Tony; you're adopted." (And then he tries to sell Tony to Dracula.)

And that's… not a great look. Sure, not all stories have to be positive, but superheroes usually have some kind of relatable backstory, and it's easy for people to want to relate to them, and I feel like maybe you want to think a little harder before writing Tony as adopted when his childhood was already terrible and his family hated him. It could have been a really nice story about families of choice and how much Tony's adoptive family loved and wanted Tony. And it wasn't. Because Howard had been established for years as having been abusive. A story about a toxic adoptive family is not really great representation. "I never loved you" was pretty bad but "you're adopted and I never loved you," I think, sounds a lot worse.

You do also lose some plot elements by retconning Tony as adopted, namely anything having to do with him having a genetic relationship to Howard and Maria. And for the most part this isn't going to be relevant, but now you can't really easily tell a story about Tony inheriting alcoholism or general addiction or depression or whatever from his father. (I mean, you still can if you really want to; you'd just have to establish this as being true of his biological parents. But Marvel has not done that and does not really seem all that likely to start, because that would require putting them in comics and they're not doing that anymore.)

After Kieron Gillen left the book, Bendis came on. And I know Bendis' kids are adopted so I can understand why he'd want to tackle the adoption plot and really flesh out Tony's family. So a large portion of Bendis' IM run was about Tony's quest for, and eventual discovery of, his biological family. At the time, I figured this might actually be a good plot -- if they're not going to retcon out the adoption, they might as well lean in. I was looking forward to having Tony meet his family. The guy could definitely use more family, and I thought it would be great to see him interacting with them and developing new relationships.

That also didn't happen.

So what about all his new family members? His adoptive brother Arno? His biological mother and father?

Well, actually, they hate him too. All of them!

Arno went evil, is currently evil, tried to take down Tony, and is now trapped in VR or something. (To be fair, this wasn't Bendis' fault; Dan Slott did this in the subsequent run.)

Jude, Tony's biological father, is a Hydra agent who tried to kill Tony's mother. He met Tony once. He also tried to kill him. (This one was Bendis' fault.)

Amanda, Tony's biological mother, is a rock star and SHIELD agent who decided that now that Tony was living in a constructed, non-original body… he was no longer her son. And she wanted nothing else to do with him. She hasn't been back; yes, this was also Dan Slott's work. This is both cruel and bizarre because this is definitely not Tony's first brand-new body. If he's going to be dead to her because this isn't his original body, then he's been dead since at least Onslaught. If this was going to be a problem for her, it should already have been a problem as soon as she met him.

(That was one of the big issues for me with Slott's entire run in that a lot of it was about Tony having a crisis that he maybe wasn't really Tony because he had a new body. I was just like, dude, where have you been? Why is this only a problem now?)

So now Tony, who was already abused by his adoptive father, has discovered three new members of his family, all of whom also hate him!

Anyway, basically the only family Tony had who loved him was Maria. At least he had her, I guess.

So what's the point, really? He has more people to hate him. If you're going to give him new family, couldn't you give him one person who at least likes him? Carol has a retconned half-sister now, who loves her. Why couldn't Tony have something like that?

It's not even interesting pain, for Tony. This isn't anything different than what he already had. It just involves more characters now. They had the chance to use the adoption arc to really transform Tony's life and give him a whole new family to interact with and tell a story about choice and family and being loved and wanted. Instead, he has three new family members who hate him and who probably won't be appearing again anytime soon anyway. What did this even accomplish? What do we get? A story about how, once again, none of Tony's family loves him, that even more of them exist and they hate him too, that his adoptive family abused him, that's probably going to make adopted kids reading these comics feel pretty bad. I don't think this is really an accomplishment.

In conclusion… uh… this is me complaining about the adoption retcon to @blossomsinthemist while I was trying to figure out how to write this post:

Sineala: they never loved him but now they REALLY never loved him and also here's his biological family who never loved him either Sineala: i mean, i'm not opposed to giving tony more family but maybe they could… not hate him Sineala: i feel like tony should marry into a large and affectionate family Sineala: …actually, this is basically the avengers Sineala: never mind, he already did Sineala: if you don't have your own loving family, store-bought is fine

So, yeah. That's where I stand.

[hellomystraightlacedfriend]

Writer: Margaret Stohl

Pencillers: Brent Schoonover, Ro Stein

Mighty Captain Marvel #4

[spearclosetcomics]

The Mighty Captain Marvel #8 (2017) Margaret Stohl Ro Stein, Ted Brandt

[recentlyheardcom]

The orthodox method of superhero movies adapting stories from their comics’ counterparts has now become a thing of the past. Because now, comics are adapting their stories-and even changing the existing ones-to cater to the storylines of films based on them. Another recent example of this is the Captain Marvel film under MCU, by Marvel Studios. Previously, Nick Fury’s look and story was also changed in the official comics after his big-screen appearances in MCU movies. Marvel Comics has officially changed the origin story of Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel in the comics prior to the MCU flick’s theatrical debut next year. If you don’t know anything about Captain Marvel’s origin, anyway, then you must make yourself a bit acquainted with original story. Originally, going by the comics (since 40 years), Carol gains her powers from the Psyche-Magnitron device, that exploded and made Carol’s DNA fuse with that of Mar-Vell’s. But in the latest fourth issue of the Life of Captain Marvel, it’s been totally altered by comic book writers Margaret Stohl, Carlos Pacheco, and Erica D’ Urso. SPOILERS AHEAD: IT’S RELATED TO CAPTAIN MARVEL FILM The Life of Captain Marvel’s fourth issue reveals that Carol’s mother, Marie Danvers, is a member of the alien race, Kree. Which means that Carol is a Kree-human hybrid. And when the psyche-magnitron went off, it activated her abilities. But here, her DNA didn’t fuse with Mar-Vell’s, implying that she did not receive her superhuman powers from a man. They were there inside her all this long, being received from her mother, which got triggered after the explosion. Marie herself explains in the new comic, that Carol’s powers are “not borrowed. Not a gift. Not an accident”. Further, the comic also reveals that Marie’s name is actually Mari-Ell and Carol’s name is in fact, Car-Ell. So, this new change will be seen in the movie for sure. Must Read: Disney will bring MCU’s lesser-known characters to it’s streaming service! Captain Marvel has been teased by Marvel Studios’s head Kevin Feige, as the most powerful superhero in the MCU history so far. And it’s okay, in a logical sense, if some changes are done for making the story slightly much better. Because what’s the relevance of adapting a comic book into a movie if the same plot is shown on the big-screen too? Directed by Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, and distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, Captain Marvel-the 21st entry into the MCU-will be releasing on March 8th 2019. If you haven’t watched the official first teaser trailer for the movie yet, you can watch it below. Must Read: WATCH: Dark Phoenix Trailer officially arrives after big leaks!

[ao3feed-thor]

No Others Are Worthy - Jane Foster and Thor

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/cW1UC2k

by EveSolo23

Post-Thor: The Dark World, Thor and Jane Foster solidify their relationship more permanently.

Words: 2543, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: Thor (Movies), The Avengers (Marvel Movies), Iron Man (Movies), Superman - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types, Guardians of the Galaxy (Movies), Captain Marvel (2019), Shazam! (2019), Black Widow Series - Margaret Stohl, The Incredible Hulk (2008), Passengers (2016), Marvel Cinematic Universe, Captain America (Movies), WandaVision (TV), Doctor Strange (Comics), Loki (TV 2021), The Mandalorian (TV), Thor (Comics), Ant-Man (Movies), Shang-Chi and the Ten Rings (Comics 2022), Red Dawn (2012), Extraction (2020), Bad Times at the El Royale (2018), Star Trek, Rush (2013), Blackhat (2015)

Rating: Explicit

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: F/M, Other

Characters: Thor (Marvel), Jane Foster (Marvel), Sif (Marvel)

Relationships: Jane Foster/Thor, Sif/Thor (Marvel)

Additional Tags: Post-Thor: The Dark World, Post-Thor: Ragnarok (2017), Post-Thor (2011), Post-Thor: Love And Thunder (2022)

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/cW1UC2k

[ao3feed-janefoster]

No Others Are Worthy - Jane Foster and Thor

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/vxXS3On

by EveSolo23

Post-Thor: The Dark World, Thor and Jane Foster solidify their relationship more permanently.

Words: 2543, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: Thor (Movies), The Avengers (Marvel Movies), Iron Man (Movies), Superman - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types, Guardians of the Galaxy (Movies), Captain Marvel (2019), Shazam! (2019), Black Widow Series - Margaret Stohl, The Incredible Hulk (2008), Passengers (2016), Marvel Cinematic Universe, Captain America (Movies), WandaVision (TV), Doctor Strange (Comics), Loki (TV 2021), The Mandalorian (TV), Thor (Comics), Ant-Man (Movies), Shang-Chi and the Ten Rings (Comics 2022), Red Dawn (2012), Extraction (2020), Bad Times at the El Royale (2018), Star Trek, Rush (2013), Blackhat (2015)

Rating: Explicit

Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings

Categories: F/M, Other

Characters: Thor (Marvel), Jane Foster (Marvel), Sif (Marvel)

Relationships: Jane Foster/Thor, Sif/Thor (Marvel)

Additional Tags: Post-Thor: The Dark World, Post-Thor: Ragnarok (2017), Post-Thor (2011), Post-Thor: Love And Thunder (2022)

read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/vxXS3On

[agentxthirteen]

Sharon-A-Day, Day 111 (4/21/22)

Mighty Captain Marvel 5. On sale 5/24/17. "Band of Sisters Part 1"

Writer: Margaret B. Stohl

Artist: Michele Bandini

Letterer: Joe Caramagna

Colorist: Michael Garland

Colorist: Erick Arciniega

Editor: Sana Amanat

Sharon updates Carol Danvers.

[super-hero-confessions]

[tgirldarkholme]

[tonysnork]

A quick guide to captain marvel for anyone who doesn't do comics

[hellomystraightlacedfriend]

Writer: Margaret Stohl

Pencillers: Brent Schoonover, Ted Brandt

Mighty Captain Marvel #4

[spearclosetcomics]

The Mighty Captain Marvel #8 (2017) Margaret Stohl Ro Stein, Ted Brandt

[hearticho]

Men learn how to become strong and express that; women learn how to become strong and hide that. And I feel like that's part of what this story's about, not just for Carol, but for all the important women in Carol's life. It's like coming out of the closet about how strong we are and sort of accepting that and celebrating that.

“The Life of Captain Marvel with Margaret Stohl” from the Women of Marvel podcast

[caitsbooks]

Still not over endgame