BL3: Moxxi's Heist of the Handsome Jackpot - notes on Timothy + theories
Ok this is more of me just trying to take notes on his character for some future projects in one place ohisafiosfa
1) Timothy's behaviour and appearance
a) Introducing with his name
In Pre-Sequel, Timothy is established to have a face bomb that prevents him from saying his name. When he gets to Roland, he also says his name rhymes with Jimothy.
But in BL3, he just... introduces himself?
"But my name is just Timothy."
During the DLC, he mentions that his face-bomb stops him from escaping the casino.
My best bet is that the face bomb got reprogrammed and can have a limited amount of conditions that might cause it to blow up.
b) Injected with Jack's DNA...or is he
Timothy is the reason why we believe the body doubles (or at least Tim) has Jack's DNA in them, causing them to talk like him.
"Follow this fine ass! Uh, god."
But as we see the body double in BL2, some get voice lines to say to seem Jack. (BTW I really love @kolbasos ' headcanon that Timothy is the only doppelganger that got plastic surgery).
To me, Timothy was onlymade to believe that DNA thing (as DNA shouldn't have behavioral traits in them), just like he was made to believe he was branded with the Vault mark (headcanon taken from @kitkat578 ).
Kit noticed that if Timothy had the same Vault mark as Jack, we would see it through the crack in the mask. Yet it's just not there!! Not a single blue tint anywhere on that skin!
Like, even Customer 1345 has some more resembling of that mark than him. The marks could possibly be just afterdoing when people find out Jack is dead and thus the guy just got the marks which even more makes it weird that we can't see Timothy's mark.
It is plausible that the amnestic anaesthetic mentioned in Pre Sequel tapes is a bit of a key. Timothy might not remember every single operation well enough or might have memories scrapped, so he just has some lies surrounding those moments.
Vault Mark seems like something Jack wouldn't want people to know about - that's why he has the mask, duh. But Timothy knows about it anyway. It's possible that he had some surgery to get the mask hinges on him, and was told he also got the mark just so he would resent Lilith and everybody connected to her.
With the DNA part - I think it's supposed to serve as motivation.
Timothy was shit at acting as Jack in Pre-Sequel. Most people knew he wasn't Jack, he even introduced himself as not-Jack, during Space Slam and most people refer to him as Vault Hunter. It's really rare for him to act as the dude he is paid to act as.
I think this lie was either told to him or he made it up, as he started at some point to say and think like Jack more. Even if he hates it, giving himself an excuse for it could help him get more and more into the role, or he would talk way more often like Jack.
c) Swearing
A thing that seems to be very silly about Borderlands series is its relationship with cursing.
Handsome Jack is a great example of it- he doesn't like some curses. It's why Angel seems to hlt herself sometimes before cursing.
Mr. Torgue has a censor wired to his voicebox due to the shareholders so, maybe Jack wants to keep those happy, too.
Timothy seems to be weirded out to being able to say "asshole" instead of a-hole, when referring to Pretty Boy. It's possibly either a voice modulator censorship or another face bomb thing that just like his name, got reprogrammed to only not letting him out.
He gets so happy he says it two times in a row foahissioa (also off top but his planning skills seem to match Rhys' <3)
2) Moxxi
a) Moxxi seems not to trust Timothy. It may be just due to him working for Handsome Jack for so many years. If there is some other reason though, feel free to tell me :0c
b) Date
Timothy mentions that when Jack got "mega-rich", Jack wanted to win Moxxi back, so Timothy went on a date with her. The issue I have with it, however, is when this date could have taken place.
In Pre-Sequel, when we meet Moxxi for the first time, Timothy says this:
"Holy shi-- hi! I'm uh -- Jack. Obviously. And I need your help. Are you SURE we're not dating? -- Wow!"
Due to his reaction, it feels as if this was really their first meeting. But there are only points in the story where the date could have canonically taken place:
Before Pre-Sequel (I think already after wife's death due to Jack's possible bad behaviour in the break up):
For:
- Jack had just gotten rich enough to try to get Moxxi back.
- Timothy's reaction can be like this due to just the outfit. Moxxi went on the date just due to hunger so she could have dressed more casually (just like in her garage outfit).
- Timothy also at one point asks her to marry him. Iif they already had this date, it would also be an aftereffect to knowing each other better.
Against:
- This dialogue really feels like their first meeting.
- Timothy seems so focused on getting that second date in-game that it feels like it was their last meeting. But it's not a strong point, since it might just be him wanting to get a second date, who knows.
Before BL2:
For:
- Jack got even richer.
- They already knew each other so she would know that the body double she is spending time with is Timothy.
- This moment could potentially strengthen his crush on her after she tried to destroy Jack in Pre-Sequel, esp since this would mean Timothy also would have died
Against:
- Jack doesn't seem like a guy who would want a relationship with someone who tried to kill him ohsoai and he was already getting with Nisha
- Jack has a part in the casino called "Foxxxi's" - which shows just how much he dislikes her.
While before Pre-Sequel makes sense, both options are plausible.
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Ummmm....questions about the casino AU
1. Is the casino in vegas?
2. Are jack and dave friends?
3.How did they end up at it?
Dont Rush or make yourself answer i understand but I LOVE that AU (also love your art OuO)
The casino is, well, basically in the middle of no where. Probably on the way to Vegas, but also not at the same time. Its surrounded by dead grass and all that jazz!
Dave sees jack as a friend, hell, he even thinks Jack is crushing on him! (He is not.)
Jack sees Dave as more of a customer he has to deal with rather than someone close.
Jack saw this abandoned place, and thought “Hey! Why not make a casino out of it?” Since, well, he was left jobless. And hey, who doesn’t love a good ol’ casino? He cleaned the place up, and got some tables, employees, furniture, ect, ect.
Dave and jack werent close before this, they didnt interact that much, at least.
Anndndd yeah my brin is fried here u go answers aahahahhaddhg ohhh,h,, casino au
Thank you for the compliments,,, teeehehehheee,,,,, 💖
Also! Have a rushed doodle!
(Dave eats the cards when he’s hungry/bored.)
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Appendix: Felix Lieter on film
(First appeared as a British agent on film in the TV production of Casino Royale episode of Climax. The name was changed to Clarence Leiter. Not only was it the only time Lieter was British, but James Bond was made an American Agent. Clarence Leiter was protrayed by Michael Pate).
Jack Lord - Dr No (1962)
Cec Linder - Goldfinger (1964)
Rik Van Nutter - Thunderball (1965)
Norman Burton - Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
David Hedison - Live and Let Die (1973) License to Kill (1989)
Bernie Casey - Never Say Never Again (1983)
John Terry - The Living Daylights (1987)
Jeffrey Wright - Casino Royale (2006), Quantum of Solace (2008) No Time To Die (2021)
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