marzipanandminutiae · 6 months ago
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Friend Marzi, why do we have an inclination to believe that all historical clothing was very heavy? Fabrics varied in lightness and for the very heat of summer for example an all-silk or all-muslin ensemble could be made very light and breathable if necessary, even foregoing implements like boning, etc. Like, there are ways to not be dragging your skirts around.
Working people and people with active hobbies were already wearing fewer layers anyway, so we shouldn't expect them to be encumbered. Why do we anyway?
Friend Tumblr User Chasingtheskyline! Hello!
(This answer will focus primarily on conventionally feminine clothing, since that's my area of expertise. Just to disclaim.)
I think it's because of the layering, really. And the idea that, as you touched on, Only Rich People Wore All That (not so much- the basic makeup of chemise/combinations, maybe drawers post-1820s, corset/stays, at least one petticoat, skirt, bodice for women was pretty consistent across most of the social ladder during the 18th and 19th centuries at least) so of COURSE it's heavy and impractical. And as we all know, rich people didn't have lives or do things! They just lounged around being rich and not moving! </s>
We're used to one layer of our mostly-polyester clothing being extremely warming in summer because. It's polyester. Breathability is not something people think about much nowadays, since we're so used to just exposing as much skin as possible to cool down. Ergo, the idea that it's layers of lightweight fabric doesn't really occur to people, I think.
Another element, I think, may be that some of these people have carried reproduction historical garments but never worn them. Or weighed them in a heap on a scale- yes, really -and never taken into account the weight distribution when they're on a body. I've owned garments that were a bear to carry, but perfectly comfortable to wear.
Also, you know. We've long had a vested interest in making our own garments seem like The Best Most Advanced Garments. You can find articles from as early as the 1920s decrying Victorian "trailing skirts and trailing hair" as unhygienic and uncomfortable Never mind that the ADULTS saying this would have known full well that shorter skirts were commonplace for situations where Excessive Dirt would be present and grown women wore their hair up. (Also, you know. Unless you're licking your hem, your skirts cannot get you sick.)
Either you're getting only the experiences of women who hated what they wore before- which would somehow be the same fashion writers who once declared that the gowns of 1915 were the best, or 1910, or 1905 -or they had a vested interest in selling something to the public: in this case, the hottest, newest clothes (and hairstyles that required more regular trips to the hairdresser than long hair pinned up). Of course you get those writers calling earlier clothing heavy- they're trying to get people to buy rayon flapper dresses!
Now, does that mean that nobody in history found their clothing heavy? Of course not. One of Amelia Bloomer's key complaints about the fashions of the 1840s and early 50s was the many layers of petticoats women often wore to create the fashionable skirt shape- and while I'm often loath to take dress reformers as sole arbiters of women's opinion, the invention of the cage crinoline/hoop skirt was widely hailed as a marvel for enabling big skirts with much less weight.
But you're so right that this perception is extremely exaggerated nowadays. I do my best to fight it- had this conversation with a colleague today, as I was wearing a long-sleeved blouse of cotton voile and a long cotton skirt to work in 80-degree (F) weather -but. Well. It DOES get frustrating at times.
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crippled-peeper · 7 months ago
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Squeezing you squeezing you squeezing you
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librarycards · 2 years ago
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@chasingtheskyline the iced coffee post was pretty clearly about ppl who humblebrag about only having an iced coffee to eat as a means of normalizing "cute" forms of restriction
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crippleprophet · 2 years ago
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I'm so sorry you're not doing well :( my wheelchair plus bupenorphine have completely changed my life and the pain is not unbearable anymore but WOW was this week rough. It sucks having a body that is on fire a lot, but I'm actually so happy recently and it's a pleasant change. I wish you the best and for the painsomnia to please stop :)
omenssss thank you this is so kind ily <333 i’m so glad you’re getting some effective treatment etc and the effect that’s had on ur mood!!! i’m sorry this week was so hard, i hope ur able to get some rest & that next week is better 💕💕
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theladyragnell · 2 years ago
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I voted by mail yesterday :) and the last book I really loved is "The Anthropocene Reviewed" by John Green (who, despite what you may hear on this webbed site, is actually a really good essayist)
(Ahh, tumblr, where everyone's either a genius and a perfect person or a horrible hack, who ever heard of something in between?)
But okay! Memoirs are perhaps my least read nonfiction genre, but last year I did read "World of Wonders" by Aimee Nezhukumatathil, a poet who branched out into this book of nature/memoir essays. Perhaps a little less humorously framed than the Green, from what I'm picking up on that in a quick google, but a nice quick read!
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American mustard standard is white, pale, slightly spicy vinegar.
Dijon is our popular one. French's yellow, the one for hot dogs, is a very white, pale yellow, and very, very, very, very, very mild in flavor. The "ketchup is spicy" of mustards.
As someone who enjoys horseradish on the regular I like English mustard also, to more of an extent than many in this country. I really want to find a good wholegrain mustard also, which are becoming popular. But Chinese mustard is not often seen, and even our Chinese mustard is often diluted at restaurants. Russian mustard is hardly seen at all.
Thank you, that's very informative! Dijon, honey and other mild ones are also on frequent use here. But for example I rarely see brown-colored ones like... bavarian style I believe it's called?
On the other side of the spectrum, I have never seen anything referred to as 'chinese mustard' here, and so I got surprised - it's apparently musztarda sarepska, for my PL peeps who didn't know either! It's a very popular, almost basic type of mustard here tbh.
I highly recommend whole grain mustard, I have a strong nostalgia for it as I remember enjoying it very much as a child - very vinegar-y and sweet, fun texture, and colorful, which is Very Cool when you're 7. :)
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invasionimminentz · 4 months ago
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you should be able to sacrifice your favorite show for a genocide. free palestine and stop supporting paramount. rottmnt isn't that important. "Oh but it's my spe-" OKAY? PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY FUCKING DYING AND YOU'RE WATCHING NICKELODEON AND FUNDING IT... JUST MAKE FAN CONTENT AND PIRATE...
It's on the BDS list. Highly highly supportive of Israel and directly funding the genocide. -words from @chasingtheskyline.
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brightlotusmoon · 10 months ago
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Skeletal Muscle in Cerebral Palsy: From Belly to Myofibril - PMC
With every recent study on aging adults with cerebral palsy, I want to scream, then exhale heavily through my nose because I can feel myself going through it in a way nobody will understand unless they too are specifically going through it.
Hi @chasingtheskyline how has your research been going? I still have our chat saved with all that fucked up information about how our connective tissues and organs never stood a chance anyway...
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osmanthusoolong · 4 months ago
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Rules: answer and tag 9 people (so many!)
Tagged by @newholecity
Favourite colour: blush pink or lilac grey
Last song listened to: John Cale cover of Streets of Laredo
Currently reading: between books currently, though I’ve been picking at a horror anthology in the bath (I don’t hugely count it because I’ve been mostly having very high baths)
Currently watching: @enemytastemaker and I recently started Night Gallery, which is occasionally fun, but not nearly as good as Twilight Zone, and also watching Elementary
Currently craving: I just had a watermelon slush, which is what I was craving
Coffee or tea: I only let myself have one coffee a day (black, pour over), but I also (obviously) love tea, and have been in a jasmine mood lately
Tagging: @baeddlam , @mina-harkers-rosebush , @transsexual-homunculus , @librarycards , @pickledangel , @oleworm , @chasingtheskyline , @thingsstingshouldsing , and @cantsayidont
Also @sivavakkiyar
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marzipanandminutiae · 9 months ago
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Do you have any ideas/evidence as to how skirt length varied for women with limps/disabilities? I'm planning and making a historybounding wardrobe for around 1900-1908, and I am feeling the need to make my skirts, instead of instep length, around ankle-bone length or slightly shorter even than that, just so I don't trip and rip my hems out - at my height it's between 32 and 34 inches. I'm using a lot of plates for "Toilettes de jeune femme ou de jeune fille" for inspo because as a petite 24 year old who looks 16, I can still do that. Looking at various photos of actual normal women it wasn't horribly uncommon to make your skirts four or five or even six inches above the ground, but in high fashion I am drawn to the more sporty skirt styles and evening skirts for dancing for this reason. All of the recorded catalogue skirts are made quite long for quite tall people - to be hemmed as desired.
The thermoregulation is so good with historical dress that if I wear certain underwear and layer properly, I don't get full body spasms and pain at the slightest breeze. It's lovely, but I also need to get around effectively.
I'm so glad it works well for you re: thermoregulation! And of course, being in fact a modern lady, you're not bound to strict historical accuracy if you need to modify things to allow for easier movement.
(Even most normal- non-rich, I imagine you mean? -women often wore instep-length skirts, though, with modifications as needed for work and/or sporting activities. That's probably where you're seeing the shorter hems)
Women with mobility issues did exist back then, of course, but I'm afraid I don't know much about how they may have modified their skirts. Princess Alexandra had a limp after a bout of post-partum rheumatic fever left her with a stiff leg in 1867, but her skirts generally seem to be of normal length in photos. Of course, those are official portraits, and her nature as a public figure means that any image of her would be tightly controlled. she couldn't avoid limping in IRL public appearances, though, which I assume is how it was known generally. there's a rumor that ladies began limping on purpose to copy her, for Fashion Reasons, but that sounds a bit far-fetched to me.
I'd imagine that, much like in working situations, the rule was "practicality first?" Sorry I couldn't be more helpful on the history here!
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crippled-peeper · 8 months ago
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I am glad that you are now in contact with your dad and your sisters after what they did to you. It was horrible the way you were treated and what we can do is celebrate the small things really
It’s funny that I can only get along with them when they’re 3,000 miles away 😅 I’m happy I live in my own place and have friends here and don’t rely on them anymore . It’s made it easier to forgive them and talk to them since they can’t hurt me or endanger like in the past
I’m really lucky I was able to move away and I’ve lived this long :’) I hope I make it to 35 at least that’s my goal :) my friends on here have helped me a lot too I wouldn’t be here without you
Thank you ☺️🖤🖤🖤
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the-delta-quadrant · 1 year ago
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@chasingtheskyline bitch what i never did that. that post was literally in response to being mocked because i listed my stim toys as an accessibility aid along with literally everything else i use for my vision impairment. kindly stay the heck out of my tags
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cuttlewitch · 2 years ago
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things I’ve learned lately about atheist proselytizing and cultural christianity. as an ex-christian atheist.
Hey, I just wanna say. The discussion in the notes of this post (between OP and @chasingtheskyline​) really challenged and changed my perspective on this matter for the better. I don’t normally add onto posts like this, but I thought it was important to share what I learned from this interaction:
I learned that:
The hatred I felt as a whole for the religion I left (christianity) was leading me to behaviors and beliefs that I'm also against. Like cultural genocide. And eliminating collective/personal expression that's inherent to different societies and their religions/cultures.
Separating religion from culture and creating that dichotomy can lead to confusion and misunderstanding with dealing with those subjects. How their nature is not clean-cut or split down the middle.
Despite my hatred for the influences conservative christianity and the threat it has in my life. (wanting to eliminate much of who am I and what I stand for) I recognized some areas of christian culture that are a regular part of my life that I’d be sad if they weren’t there anymore. Things that resonate with me that I never recognized as “christian”.
I realized that associated all of christianity with the terrible people in my life and the huge christofascist influence in my country’s government. And while, that response of mine can makes sense from a self-defensive standpoint, it can obfuscate discussions and be harmful towards others. In a way I don’t wish to be.
Some people want to stay in the culture of christianity, and doing so is not equivalent to ignoring injustice or ethical violations for the sake of worship or community acceptance. I realized that’s what I’ve been doing this whole time. And it’s what got me to agree with the perspective of this post, initially.
I’ve started a new tag on my blog called #christian atheist. There I’ve reblogged posts on this train of thought, in case I haven’t made it clear so far here. I wanna chronical that train of thought in general there, too.
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herinsectreflection · 3 years ago
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Hey, do you have any ideas as to why Faith doesn't get Buffy's Valium 18th birthday demon murder surprise? Whatever that's called? It's 3am, I forget. Is it not shown on screen? Did the Watchers Council not know about her? Did she just inject the drugs herself then calmly smash the demon's face in?
The Cruciamentum? Yeah, as I mentioned a few days ago the show is pretty vague with Faith's age in relation to Buffy. There are lines that code her as younger (Buffy's "my bestest little sister" comment in Faith Hope and Trick) and some that code her as older ("all dressed up in big sister's clothes" from Graduation Day). I think it's interesting that they both think of themselves as the "older sibling" in that relationship. Buffy and Faith both see themselves as the more mature, worldly one of the pair, and the other as naive in some way. The thing is that they're both right. They both have life experience that the other does not, and they both have naivety that the other does not.
Overall, I think Faith makes more sense as the younger slayer. She does look up to Buffy a lot and I think her behaviour in S3 both makes more sense and is more tragic if she is a little bit younger. The Cruciamentum is the strongest bit of evidence for this, because I can't imagine that Faith wouldn't mention that to Buffy in advance.
Personally - and this is just headcanon without canon evidence, but it's one I like - I see Faith's birth date as July 1981. This makes her the inverse of Buffy, being born in midsummer as opposed Buffy being born in midwinter - but it also makes her a direct mirror of Buffy, as they would both literally be children of Summer.
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illnessfaker · 3 years ago
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for ALL OF HISTORY purchasing a thing usually entailed "do I have the funds and *time* to *ask* Konstantin From Temple if they will make me a bowl, or pay them for days of exclusive labor?" and if Konstantin the lathe-worker said "no, your design is stupid, you're not paying me enough, the festival is next week and I want my holiday too, I won't do it," you were shit out of luck. and I don't mean to be the ultimate luddite or some shit saying stores are bad dur hur but WE HAVE ENTIRELY GOTTEN RID OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF ACKNOWLEDGING ANOTHER PERSON'S LABOR AND LIMITS WHEN IT COMES TO THE STUFF WE CAN OWN. AND IT'S WACK.
!!!!!! literally.
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actuallylorelaigilmore · 5 years ago
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chasingtheskyline replied to your post “i hate feeling so nauseous i’m scared to get up and cook cuz when i...”
Me Thursday. Every time I moved I had to do it with a plastic cup under my mouth. Eggs are a good nausea food, and maybe rice??? But please drink the water, you're probably dehydrated and that's making it worse
i drank the water really slowly, because i’ve definitely been dehydrated, and waited to see if it would settle. then i was able to make food--though the act of making it brought the nausea back. fed now and hoping to feel better. thank you :)
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