#cripplepunk discourse

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"What about high support needs autistic people who use wheelchairs/have severe motor skill issues!"

What about them? Last I checked, you all treat them like shit and talk over them. Last I checked, half of you saying that kind of thing are still on your "autism actually makes me smarter and better than everyone else :)" schtick. In fact, are you normal about any and all stigmatized psychiatric conditions?

"Eyeglasses are mobility aids too, being mildly nearsighted makes you disabled"

Okay, and have you spoken At All about how people using white canes are treated or about genuinely any accessibility issue the blind/VI community faces? Have you talked about Any mobility aids, really?

"Psychiatric conditions are physical disabilities because it affects the brain"

Okay, and do you identify as physically disabled broadly or only when you're trying to be in cripplepunk? Have you aligned yourself with Any of Us beyond semantics arguing on the internet? Have you talked about any disability issues at all that aren't about your specific mental health diagnosis? How have you approached and reconciled the social, political, and legislative differences in how physically disabled people are treated versus mentally ill people?

Otherwise what it sounds like is you using other disabled people as tools and tokens in your arguments and that you don't actually give a shit about any of them.

[ouchiemyspine]

'cop' is new tumblr buzzword. not everyone u disagree with is a cop. u cant make a 'terf' variation for every group that excludes anyone. words have meaning. the world doesnt revolve around u

[wheelie-sick]

I love that this isn't my main blog because I can see angry responses to me like this one

[no energy to ID - link here]

ok I am autistic, cognitively disabled (because of my physical disability), and bipolar but that never seems to matter to these people because clearly I'm just a bitter cripple mad at the poor poor ablebodied neurodivergents who will go and cry themselves to sleep because they can't use one (1) hashtag

[permanently-sprained-ankle]

I’m Native American. If a start a movement for specifically my tribe (Ayamara & Quichua) to discuss issues specific to natives in the Altaplana, other natives aren’t going to start complaining that they’re being unfairly excluded. Me starting a group for people like me isn’t saying that other natives aren’t native, and it’s not invalidating their indigeneity.

Following so far? Great.

So then why is it that when a marginalized group like physically disabled people want a movement specifically about the struggles we face as physically disabled people, we’re told we’re unfairly excluding others?

Why do people feel entitled the cripplepunk movement, a movement and space that isn’t for them, especially when there are plenty of movements that center their experiences?

There are two main reasons I’ve seen:

“��”””internalized”””””” ableism: you feel as if your mental disability doesn’t count as a disability, so when you’re told that you can’t participate in a space for only physically disabled people, you feel as if that confirms your ableist internal belief that you’re not disabled enough. “Internalized” is in quotes because people with this attitude really just externalize it to hurt others.

“””””Lateral””””” ableism: as a disabled person, you hold and perpetuate beliefs that echo the wider structures of institutional and systemic ableism, and you feel entitled to hold those beliefs because you are disabled. This is comparable to trans people who are transmedicalists. “Lateral” is in quotes because most of the time, people who hold this attitude are lashing out at people with a completely different disability than them.

So let me ask you: why do you feel so fucking entitled to a movement that’s NOT FOR YOU?

And before you say “I’m physically disabled and I think it’s fine for non-physically disabled but mentally disabled people to be included”, re-read the “lateral” ableism point. Your ableist opinions aren’t correct just because you’re disabled.

DISCLAIMER: I’m not saying mentally disabled people aren’t disabled or that one kind of disability is always worse than the other. Any BS in replies will either be mocked or blocked.

[nightmaretour]

To everyone wondering what able bodied people so badly want to do with cripple punk when it's about experiences they can't relate to, I get you, but you're missing the point.

They don't want to relate to it. They hate that something exists that is explicitly not about them and they want to MAKE it about them. Anything that doesn't center their experiences is a threat to them, because their voices always have to be the loudest and most important. That's what they want with cripple punk, to eliminate any space where our voices can be heard over theirs.

[turtally-tubular]

the only thing ima say abt the current cpunk discourse is that it really shows how prevalent ableism towards physically disabled people is. like we’re literally being called terfs by a bunch of ableist able bodied mfs and people in our own community deep throating able bodied people’s boots.

CRIPPLEPUNK IS FOR PHYSICALLY DISABLED PEOPLE EXCLUSIVELY. IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF PHYSICALLY DISABLED YOURE IN IF YOU DONT YOURE NOT. IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT, THEN GO FUCK YOURSELF.

physically disabled people can have our own spaces, just like autistic people can have their own spaces, trans people, etc. but y’all just wanna oppress us even more, and the fact that some fellow physically disabled people are partaking in that is fucking disgusting.

im so sick of this shit.

[crippleculture]

phoenixonwheels is literally making shit up. "cripplepunk was always for every disabled person" no the fuck it wasnt? one of the core tenants of cripplepunk is literally that its only for physically disabled people, like they're literally trying to spread misinformation about it, you can literally go and look with your fucking eyeballs at the post that coined it on the founder's blog and see that its explicitly by and for physically disabled people

[clubpenguist]

are your issues with the “exclusivity” of Physically Disabled spaces, or are you just projecting your own limited perceptions of what counts as a Physical Disability onto us? because like, obviously i cant speak for every cripple in the whole wide world, but personally? ive never met a cripple who didnt consider invisible illness havers + non-mobility-aid-users to be physically disabled. i literally think yall just need to examine how you YOURSELF define a physical disability

[sick-thing]

"Cripplepunk is so gatekeepy and exclusionary for not letting able-bodied nd's in" *sniffling* omg ikr and Latino heritage month is sooo mean for not letting my non-Latino ass celebrate and cancer support groups should let me join and mtf forums should let me post about being ftm and and I'm hypermobile so I can reclaim the r-slur because the body is connected to the brain and all disabilities is the same and everything should be about me all the time waaah waaaah waaaah /s

[disabled-dyke]

genuinely people need to start curating their dash experiences more. you dont like a person? block them. you think theyre mean? block them. dont like a topic? blacklist it.

it is your responsibility to curate what you see and dont see on a platform like tumblr that doesnt have an algorithm. follow blogs you like, topics you like, and block and ignore the ones that you dont. it is that easy.

[appledumplinn]

TW⚠️ABLEISM/ABLEIST DISCOURSE (for some reason tumblr isn’t letting me swich this little blurb and the pic around so apologies<3)

okay i understand that lateral ableism is horrible and ppl with physical disabilities shouldn’t make it seam like that they “have is the worst” but why does having a disability need to be a competition? i think its worth mentioning that y’all able-bodied ppl and phys disabled ppl that make it a competition like this “*insert disability* is more important than other *insert disability*!1!!!!!1!!” only see it this way bc u see ppl with other disabilities and or with higher or lower support levels as competitors

im not saying that this person doesn’t have it bad at all. Tourette’s and tics in general are absolute torture and cause so much pain and injury for the ppl who have it and i think more ppl should understand that. <3

however most ppl in cripplepunk dont veiw disability like this. and to be frank disabled ppl that DONT veiw other disabled ppl like competition dont think like this. at this point i wish the ppl who dispise other disabled ppl like this would just say that they veiw us as competition which is why they feel justified in lashing out at those with different needs or higher support needs (higher or lower tbh)

and if I’m being seriously honest if ppl are more disabled than you, WHO GIVES A SHIT? i have fnd and low to med support needs for my autism, and there are ppl that “have it worse” than me, so what? i stopped caring abt wanting to have it the worse bc I’m fortunate to be able to do things that others cannot do due to one or both disabilities. i have a privilege that many don’t have and i think instead of lashing out bc u have the privilege to walk while others cant, be glad u still can do things like walk or walk without issue.

if this kind of behavior towards ppl with different needs is bc ppl that didn’t understand u acting like ur not truly disabled unless ur in a wheelchair, bro pls go to therapy for that. like i feel like so much of this kinda shit from able-bodied neurodivergents is just ppl like this taking out them not getting listened to by fully abled people out on other disabled ppl. i think thats why able-bodied neurodivergents like this shit on cripplepunk, when cripplepunk exists just so physically disabled ppl can empower themselves and each other and fight against a world that saw them as less than human (myself included) and bc they cant be apart of cripplepunk themselves :,)

i live for the day where we get rid of this notion that phys disabled ppl have it sooooOoOoo good while everyone else doesn’t cuz they can walk, see, hear, etc and we cant.

all in all i think ppl who do think see ppl in the community as competition and y’all need to go to therapy.

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Cripplepunk does exclude some physically disabled people

If someone is physically disabled but Does Not agree with cripplepunk's ethos and goals, then they are not cripplepunk. This is because cripplepunk is not a "community", it is a political movement. Phys disabled people who aren't cripplepunk are not being implied to be abled. They are still physically disabled. They just Aren't cripplepunk.

Some of you seem to be under the assumption that people saying you aren't cripplepunk is saying you're "not disabled" which is not, actually, what is being said. If you are mentally ill/ND but NOT physically disabled, then you simply aren't cripplepunk because it violates THREE of the rules and principles of cpunk. Insisting that you do belong here also violates those same 3 rules and principles: that cpunk is FOR physically disabled people (NOT disabled people as a whole), that cpunk does NOT pander to the able-bodied, and also speaking over people in cpunk (because Tai "fuck you and your functioning legs" Trewhella created the movement and EXPLICITLY stated they did not want able-bodied NDs in here). You literally do not agree with the basis of the movement but want to say you represent the movement and are in it.

[cr-pplepunx]

i really do believe that psychological and neurodevelopmental conditions can cause physical disability. (tourettes causing pain and fatigue, schizophrenia causing catatonia, anxiety causing heart problems, autism and dyspraxia causing motor skill issues, etc...) many conditions can be both mentally and physically disabling.

but it feels disingenuous to describe yourself as "crippled by a psychological/neurodevelopmental disorder" while entirely avoiding calling yourself Physically Disabled.

the principles of cripplepunk specificies the exclusion of abled bodies and acknowledgement of the intersection between mental and physical disability.

cripplepunk is specifically stated to be by and for physically disabled people, so if you do not consider yourself to be physically disabled and you use the word "cripple", you are not cripplepunk. you are ableist.

[wheelie-sick]

[ID: tags saying "#I'm glad if you've never had depression or anxiety #But they absolutely manifest physically #Because the brain is a physical organ existing in a physical body"]

I am so tired of having my severe, treatment resistant bipolar disorder erased by this person

Yes I have experienced depression and anxiety. my bipolar disorder is literally at the top of my pinned post

[permanently-sprained-ankle]

If you unironically support the use of the term “MERD” not only do I want you to not interact, I want you to [redacted so I don’t loose my account]

[nightmaretour]

As someone with actual physical brain damage, I'm confiscating "the brain is an organ" from able-bodied people indefinitely