#cripple punk discourse

[disabled-dyke]

genuinely people need to start curating their dash experiences more. you dont like a person? block them. you think theyre mean? block them. dont like a topic? blacklist it.

it is your responsibility to curate what you see and dont see on a platform like tumblr that doesnt have an algorithm. follow blogs you like, topics you like, and block and ignore the ones that you dont. it is that easy.

[cr-pplepunx]

the fact that you either Are or Aren't physically disabled isnt "anti-science" and the failure of healthcare professonals to consider the intersection between mental and physical disability isnt the fault of cripplepunks.

[eliana-system]

My opinion on the "the brain is an organ so psychological conditions are physical disabilities" argument, as someone who studies psychology

(only means I've read about and studied this subject)

Well, every mental disability has to do with something physical, like hormones, different neuronal paths, etc. However, this isn't how disability are classified as physical or mental. The need for this classifications is because the symptoms are very different. There are physical symptoms and psychological symptoms. Of course, some disabilities have symptoms in the other category, but the difference is still there. Psychological symptoms mostly impact the behaviour and the moods, and thoughts processes. So that means hormones, brain's perception of the world, neuron's paths, brain structure.

Depression can be seen in the brain, but most symptoms are psychological. You can develop physical symptoms with depression (lack of vitamins) but the illness is defined by psychological ones (mood, insomnia, no motivation to do things you love...). Cancer has psychological repercussions (like most of not all physical disabilities; denial, depression, mood swings) but the symptoms diagnosing cancer are physical (presence of a cancerous tumor).

Think of the difference between physical pain and psychological pain. Both can be seen on scans. Both are painful. Both can be disabling. Both can lead to death. But they are not the same and are not healed the same way. They also are not treated the same way by society.

The thing is, yes the brain is an organ, but the difference between physical and psychological disabilities is important in many ways. Treatment options. How they are viewed by society.

The brain is the chief of the body, and psychological problems often originate only from the brain while physical problems don't. I'm sure there are conter examples and I know some disabilities fall in both categories. However the difference is there, not only scientifically but also created by society. And the difference is relevant today.

A little precision on autism/ADHD/dys, because it's mostly the disabilities I've seen argued on the subject. Most of these neurodivergence's symptoms are psychological. I've yet to see physical symptoms except guts problems (which btw should be looked at to make sure it isn't due to something comorbid, which there are a lot of)

PS: An example of both physical and psychological disability (I think) would be a thyroid problem, which creates mood swings.

[cripple-wizard]

my tourettes disables me by preventing me from working as a teacher which I wanted, my anxiety disables me by preventing me from going out as often as I should/want. my autism disables me by giving me violent meltdowns.

and without my hips fucking up, I wouldn't be cpunk. no matter how big and how difficult the list of non physical disabilities gets, it is still NOT cpunk without a physical disability.

I've been in this community for like 2 weeks and even I can wrap my head around this concept. why do so many of yall insist on harassing so many cpunk blogs to demand they include you??

[clubpenguist]

im just gonna leave this one here

[po-pulari-tics]

The discussion gets bogged down with many things. The discussion should be brought to the simple question.

Do you believe that physically disabled people have a right to their own space?

Yes or no. Not, let us derail with who counts. Not, what about the meanies. Not, but isn't mental illness physical. (The answer to that is, mental illness only spaces exist. Many mi only spaces exist. Why can mi only spaces exist, but pd only spaces cannot?)

Yes or no, do you believe we have the right to our own space?

[cr-pplepunx]

i agree with the overall sentiment of this post but hypermobility is not just a party trick that i can stop doing whenever i want. it is truly insulting to say something so dismissive about a disability that could literally kill me.

i cant control my bones sliding out of place, i cant control the ever-changing curve in my spine, i cant control when my pelvis tilts so far that my legs are entirely different lengths, i cant control the visible difference in my hands and my grip, i cant control my knees hyperextending when my muscles are no longer strong enough to hold me.

braces can only do so much, they arent a cure and you cant wear them all the time or even for extended periods usually. and it definitely doesnt make my hypermobility "disappear".

im not claiming deformity or limb difference, i do agree with your overall point, as i said. but there is absolutely nothing i can do to change this either. i cannot turn it off anymore than you can.

hypermobility is not a limb difference

hypermobility is not a deformity

limb differences are not the same thing as party tricks that you can stop doing literally whenever you want to

deformities are not the same thing as party tricks that you can stop doing literally whenever you want to

I cannot turn off my limb difference and deformity I can't stop people from staring at it by changing the way I stand I can't wear braces to make it disappear

if people are grossed out by your party tricks you can simply decide not to do them. if people are grossed out by my legs being sideways I can do absolutely nothing to change that.

[21stc3nturyd1gitalb0y]

it shouldn’t be taboo to admit that there are disabled people who are more or less disabled than you.

i consider myself mid support needs. i am in pain every day of my life, all the time, and am significantly impaired by that. i can’t work full time. i require significant support to get through the day. i need my service dog to function properly. i can’t live alone, at least not right now. i can’t effectively mask my autism.

but i still have privilege over other disabled people. i can walk. i don’t have to worry about wheelchair accessibility when i travel. i have no visible deformities or intellectual disabilities. i am verbal.

some people are more disabled and others are less disabled. it’s okay. it doesn’t mean that you’re not valid or that you don’t deserve help. it just means you do not have the exact same needs as someone else.

[butchtheworld]

so many leftists have never thought about disability beyond "the ADA is good i guess!". seeing people use language like "brain damaged." "governor hot wheels." protests not being accessible. community gatherings above stairs, in spaces that can't accommodate power chairs, with no language access. i've missed so many #realleftistsonly events because they weren't accessible. and when i see leftists regurgitating the ideas they've seen and heard online and in real life without critically questioning *why* this is believed or *why* they're using this language, they lose so much of their credibility. you aren't a #realleftist if you spread ableist language and ideas without thinking about it.

[cedarspiced]

someone really struggling with something is NOT the same as someone being fully unable to do something, and saying as much is not oppression olympics, it's just a statement of fact.

if that statement feels invalidating to you, please ask yourself why.

just because someone needs more accomodations than you doesn't mean you are any LESS disabled, it just means that different people are going to have different needs, and that's ok!

[no-im-not-a-robot-stop-asking]

I'm physically and mentally disabled. Physically disabled people needs their own movement. We're united by the fact that were all disabled, but that doesn't stop the need for sub communities. If I want to search content I relate to or talk about an issue specific to physical disabilities, I need a space to do that. If I want to fight specifically for physical disabled peoples accessibility I need a movement to do that.

To mentally disabled people: we have neuro punk and mad punk. What the fuck are you doing trying to reclaim cpunk?? I'm sure as fuck you wouldn't want phys disabled people in neuropunk and mad punk (which we've seen in the past). Don't be hypocrites.

how are you gonna run around calling the “bad” physically disabled people “MERFs” for saying cripplepunk is for physically disabled people and then accuse those same exact people you just compared to TERFs for of “starting a civil war in the community”

absolutely zero self awareness . y’all are fucking embarassing

[cr-pplepunx]

im so sick of physically abled people describing their disorders/symptoms/experiences as "crippling".

crippled does not mean profoundly disabled and not all cripples are profoundly disabled.

yes im sure your experiences are debilitating, disabling, profound, etc... but unless your symptoms manifest physically in a way that disables you (which isnt exclusive to physical illnesses), you are not crippled.

you do not need to use a slur to demonstrate severity, especially not a slur has very little to do with severity in the first place.

[industrialdyke]

hey if you're writing an oc/hc with a disability please don't tag every fucking post you mention them in with the awareness tags for said disability? or the actually[condition] tags?? you're clogging up the spaces we use to communicate. it's rude, even more so when it's a rare condition

[ouchiemyspine]

'cop' is new tumblr buzzword. not everyone u disagree with is a cop. u cant make a 'terf' variation for every group that excludes anyone. words have meaning. the world doesnt revolve around u

[clubpenguist]

yes yes the brain is a physical organ of the body too, yes yes there is infinite room for overlap and grey area and all that, yada yada whatever. If you genuinely dont believe that there can be such thing as a physically-abled yet mentally-disabled person, you are …………. literally just blatantly wrong im sorry i dont know what else to tell you. the existence of your complex reality doesnt negate the existence of other realities

[po-pulari-tics]

The instant you start wondering if someone is faking or lying about their personal details, all possible progression stops.

There is no way for them to prove they are telling the truth, especially on the internet. Just look at the people talking about faked medical records. And how could anyone prove they were psychologically abused?

Once "faker" is called, there is nowhere to go. The fight is utterly unwinnable on all sides. Only accusations and hatred can follow.