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artanisansa ¡ 5 months ago
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TO SANSA/JON FANDOM!
Hey everyone! I’m not sure how many of you remember this user, but lostlittlesatellites or batterydeaddotdot was a well-known Jonsa meta-writer in our fandom. Sadly, they deactivated, and as far as I know, we don’t really know why. A big chunk of their amazing work seems to have been lost, which was so sad for so many of us.
But here’s the good news: I recently discovered that some of their metas were saved on the "Way Back Machine" site! So, I put together a list of some of their pieces to share with all of you. My aim is to help preserve their contributions, spread the love within our fandom, and celebrate the incredible mind that has helped to shaped our fandom.
Quick disclaimer: I haven’t read every single meta, so I don’t necessarily agree with everything that’s written. My main goal is just to share this with you all. And I skiped GOT-related metas for this list. Enjoy diving into lostlittlesatellites/batterydeaddotdot’s work!
Some of their writings is already saved through some of those accounts: @/jonsameta & @/bookjonsa & @/esther-dot. Y’all can check! Here are the others:
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BOOKS:
Sansa Stark: The Princess in the Tower
RLJ & Jonsa Payoff
Dragons, Snow and Armchairs
Can there be ONE ideal ruler?
Trojan War Literature influence on GRRM
The Red Comet: A Closer Look
Grey Dawn: Hour of the Wolf + Nightingale
To go forward you must look back: Dany’s tragic fall
Jon Snow as an Anti Hero
Val: A Subversion of BATB in Jon’s arc? + “something off about Val”
The Resurrection Problem
The Cost of Weaponizing Dragons For a Cause: Doran + Jon
There is Power in Living Wood: Bran’s role in the War
Valar Morghulis: Could Arya kill Dany?: Part 1 & Part 2
Stark Girls’ connections: To go forward you must go back
Fathers and Daughters
Sansa Stark: A Winter Rose?
Sansa Stark: A Girl in Glass
Sansa’s Fairytale and Myth allusions
The Blindspot of FPTP thread: Oversexualisation and overlooking age
Ask: Does “begging for a stranger’s kiss” foreshadow Sansa/Hound?
Deconstruction of BATB figures: He’s even uglier than the Hound
The Unkiss: The War Spilling Inside
Sansa’s repression of Jeyne
Alysanne: Paralleling Sansa + Contrasting Dany foreshadowing
A Song to Dodge A Kiss With a Blade (Part 1): Sansa/Hound and Jon/Ygritte ACOK comparisons
The Innocuous Nature of Jon/Sansa Foreshadowing
Snow: Lover’s Kisses
A Son by Marriage
1. Like a Lover; 2. Like a Kiss; 3. Kissed by Fire; 4. Burning Light and Dark Woods; 5. Intruders in Winterfell; 6. The Heart of Winterfell; 7. Fire: Hearth vs. Weapons
Dance of Dragons + Pact of Ice and Fire
Jonquils and Blue Roses
Horses and Flowers
Some Willowy Creature Who Sits Up in a Tower
A Union of the Old Gods and the New: Importance of understanding the Seven
Ask: Thoughts on Bridge4’s Video “There must always be a Stark in Winterfell”
Theories:
Bran as the Valonqar
History is a Wheel: Jon’s Rebellion
Jon’s Resurrection Repercussions
Dead Man with the Head of a Wolf: A Re-look
The Heart Tree of Winterfell: Tolkien influence
Complicating the Fantasy Battle: War Factions in the War for Dawn
Trail of Scrolls
Lady and the Ghost: Part 1; Part 2; Part 3
Shadowbinders, Death and Sacrifice
Sansa, the Vale and Mountain Clans: Part 1; Part 2; Part 3; Part 4
Seasons of My Love
Jon’s Survival: Beginning of Subverting Westerosi Classism
Child of Flame and Shadow: Not a living child but a shadow child?
Shadowbinders, Death and Sacrifice: Dany with Mirri and Melisandre
A Potential Wildcard Advisor: Bronze Yohn Royce and the Importance of the Vale
Why Ghost is unlikely to like Dany: Melisandre and Val in ADWD
Others:
Jonsa: Tolkien influences
Jonsa: A Good Endgame
Jonsa is happening because it's how GRRM's mind works
Jonsa’s Hints: On how antis ignore Jonsa foreshadowing
POV’S: Heros or not
House of the Undying and Quaithe for Dany & Mythology
Dany criticism 
Other links: about asoiaf; asoiaf metas; asoiaf theories + part 2
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Anyone who has some of their writing saved can feel free to share! I would be thankful.
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ai-manre ¡ 8 months ago
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Every time I wonder about how Jon is going to come back, I try to picture the manner of his resurrection. I wonder if it's gonna be like the show where he wakes up on a table, which I found rather underwhelming. What I keep coming back to is this vision from AGOT:
No, Dany wanted to say, no, not that, you mustn't, but when she opened her mouth, a long wail of pain escaped, and the sweat broke over her skin. What was wrong with them, couldn't they see? Inside the tent the shapes were dancing, circling the brazier and the bloody bath, dark against the sandsilk, and some did not look human. She glimpsed the shadow of a great wolf, and another like a man wreathed in flames.
This is not something we have seen come to fruition yet, and I really like this idea of Jon being reborn in fire because throughout ADWD there's the foreshadowing of kings blood and fire, of melisandre seeing 'kings and dragons' in her fire, of 'waking dragons out of stone'. And I really feel like the line 'he was no true dragon. Fire cannot harm a dragon' has to come back into play atleast once more. Especially when there's a false dragon in the story now, that marker of a true dragon is even more powerful.
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mariuspompom ¡ 10 months ago
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The level of gaslighting is so high in this fandom that someone who is not familiar with the actual story will think "Targnation" is a bunch of weird fangirls obsessed with toxic blond men. Meanwhile what defines most "targ stans" normal asoiaf fans who are not pretentious holier-than-thou nerds is merely the belief that:
Dany tries her best at using the enormous power she has for good and it will be really cool to see her take her home back, unite the kingdoms against a common threat and instigate a positive, radical institutional and structural change. This is a very hopeful arc that fits into the romantic theme of asoiaf and contrasts nicely with the nihilistic/grim-dark perspective of the show (and the show's dudebro fanbase).
Rhaenyra was usurped and burned alive because she was a woman. If she was more conforming to Westerosi norms she would have still been usurped. If she was a man and much worse in political skill or character, she wouldn't have had that fate. Her behavior/flaws/decisions had little to no effect on her demise. It was misogyny pure and simple that caused the dance. This is a very nice foreshadowing for Dany being the last descendant of that house, the one who brought back the dragons, and the one destined to save the world in the war for the dawn.
Rhaegar Targaryen was not conceived by the author as a Machiavellian pedophile but as a positive role model for Daenerys contrasting with Aerys and Viserys and kind of prophet-character foreshadowing Dany and Jon's arrival and role in the war for the dawn which is what the book series is all about as per 1) the title (which he gave to the book) and 2) the very first page of the book.
Jon will probably give a fuck about his parentage and he will probably want to connect to his Targaryen father and family in some way. Which will probably happen through his relationship with Dany.
Like that's literally it. For some reason all of the above ended up being controversial in online spaces, as if we're part of a weird and sinister conspiracy theory and saying those things suddenly gets us in the "oh oh, targ stan alert" zone . Ahm, that's not targ stan bias that's kinda what the book series called asoiaf is all about, but you do you!
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fromtheseventhhell ¡ 1 year ago
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Dany: *breathes*
Dark!Dany "theories": I honestly don't know how there's any question of Dany turning evil when we have such obvious foreshadowing like this in the books. In the first place, this is not just Dany exhaling...it is a violent expulsion of air from her body. It's a sigh, a sign of impatience which shows that Dany becomes frustrated and restless very easily. Not only that, the presence of oxygen strengthens a fire and can lead to a sudden explosion; when Dany gets impatient, intentional or not, her first instinct is to add "fuel to the fire". And finally, air is the very essence of life. She expels "life" from her body, rather violently at that, the moment she becomes impatient and unconsciously begins to turn to fire...do I really need to say more? It's so obvious that Mad Queen!Dany is being built up, George isn't even trying to be subtle lol
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lupinusalbus ¡ 25 days ago
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Do you mean jonsa happens only after Jon has killed his love Dany? I wouldn't want that at all if that's the way the ship becomes canon. I'm one of the few who expect Jon and Dany to have a sexual encounter but it won't involve love in Jon's part. Seeing jonerys foreshadowing is very different when viewed from a jonsa perspective. Top of my head sample would be the one about the wolf howling. They think it's very romantic when the passage ends with a restless sleep which usually sleep=death. As you've said before jonerys will not necessarily be a romance per se but a tragedy. Jon/Dany having negative foreshadowing doesn't mean they won't have a romance, it can also mean the romance ends badly. The thing that irks me is the fandom being blind about the negative connotations of jonerys hints. They don't mention what it means to have a restless sleep or why when Jon was with Val/Dany, he couldn't taste the sweetness unlike her.
Hi. Sorry that it's taken me a couple of days to get back to you. If Jonsa does happen, I think it's difficult to speculate about the timeline, but I don’t think the characters (Jon and Sansa) would get into a relationship while believing they are siblings. It seems like such a development would be totally out of character for either. Once they learn the truth, and Sansa is using the information, as we saw her doing on the show - at that point Jonsa as a love match/pairing would make a lot more sense. Its hard to say exactly how that might unfold, so I think that is why there’s quite a bit of speculation about what might happen after Dany’s demise. If Sansa becomes queen, then she would have an opportunity to help Jon leave the Wall or see him again, and so on. 
As much negativity as we've seen written about Rhaegar and the prophecy/prophecies that drive this story, I pretty much think that Jon and Dany are pre-ordained to happen. We are in the dark about the specifics of the prophecy that Rhaegar was acting on, but for all we know, Jon’s birth may somehow be meant to stop Dany. There is this prophecy of the Prince who was Promised, but readers don’t know exactly what that means, or what the “prince” is destined to do. And the Prince himself/herself  also doesn't know. But the use of the words “ice and fire” suggest an ancient opposition rather than the wholeness that Jon’s character on the show seems to naively desire between his two families. Whatever the specifics, the prophecy and how it will somehow come to pass - even in a twisted or surprising way - is the main driver of the Jon/Dany storyline. There was an interview/conversation quite some time ago with GRRM and one of the directors where GRRM pretty much comes out and says that Jon/Dany coming together is the point of the story. Of course, as you say, this does not mean a happily ever after denouement. 
So yes, I think that the show gave us a semi-accurate version of the relationship between Jon and Dany; that it deteriorates because of her madness and jealousy, and Jon ends the threat by killing her. The political theory does prove true in the sense that Jon “betrays” Dany for the Starks, and the result is that Bran is on the throne instead of Dany or Jon himself, the hidden King. But was he pretending all along? I don't think the plot we saw for the tv version bears that out.
I think Jon and Sansa coming together and taking back Winterfell makes perfect sense, the two characters share a love and yearning for home. Jon refused to denounce Sansa’s birthright to Stannis, they are both connected to the phrase blood of Winterfell, Sansa thinks it will be sweet to see Jon again, and so forth.  A further connection, as you mention, is suggested by Sansa hearing the ghost wolf, possibly as Jon is dying.
I'm not sure this really answers your question, but thanks for writing.
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queendaeron1 ¡ 2 months ago
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King Aegon III the Dragonbane and the numbers 7 and 3
“The smallfolk of the Seven Kingdoms speak of King Aegon III Targaryen as Aegon the Unlucky, Aegon the Unhappy, and (most often) the Dragonbane, when they remember him at all […]Of all the men ever to sit the Iron Throne, he remains perhaps the most enigmatic: a shadowy monarch who said little and did less, and lived a life steeped in grief and melancholy.” F&B
“Some say King Aegon poisoned her," the old man would tell. "The third Aegon that would be, not King Daeron's father, but the one they named Dragonbane, or Aegon the Unlucky. He was afraid of dragons, for he'd seen his uncle's beast devour his own mother. The summers have been shorter since the last dragon died, and the winters longer and crueler.” Tales of Dunk and Egg
“Viserys had told her that the last Targaryen dragons had died no more than a century and a half ago, during the reign of Aegon III, who was called the Dragonbane. That did not seem so long ago to Dany.” Dany III, AGOT
Aegon the Younger was the 7th known Targaryen male named Aegon. He was crowned as the 7th King of the Seven Kingdoms on the 7th day of the 7th month of 131 AC. He was the 3rd king to bear the name Aegon and was 33 years old in 153 AC, the year the last dragon died—33 was also the age his mother had been at her death in 130. Rhaenyra herself was 7 years old when she took Syrax into the skies for the first time, the youngest dragonrider recorded in history. Aegon married Daenaera in 133, at age 13, and was 7 years older than her, as she was born in 127. He died in 157, the year he turned 37. He had 3 daughters, and his crown was worn by 3 kings, including himself.
Aegon had 3 siblings from his father Daemon, and 3 half-brothers from his mother. He was his father’s 3rd born child. In total, he was part of a family of 7 children. Rhaenyra laboured for 3 days to bring Visenya into the world. Visenya would have been Rhaenyra’s 3rd child with Daemon. Rhaenyra was Daemon’s 3rd wife.
Fun fact: King Daeron II was born on the 31st day of the 12th moon of the year 153, 20 years precisely after Aegon’s marriage to Daenaera in 133…
“And thus that dreadful year 120 AC ended as it begun, with a woman labouring in childbirth. Princess Rhaenyra’s pregnancy had a happier outcome than Lady Laena’s had. As the year waned, she brought forth a small but robust son, a pale princeling with dark purple eyes and pale silvery hair. She named him Aegon. Prince Daemon had at last a living son of his own blood...and this new prince, unlike his three halfbrothers, was plainly a Targaryen.”
Just imagine—when the author himself simply describes you as “a Targaryen.” IN ITALICS. And as the LAST word of a paragraph that starts with the end of a “dreadful” year—one marked by deaths of several people CLOSE to the family. That’s some scary foreshadowing right there. I’m pretty sure it’s a unique introduction to a character in F&B…
Poor dragons, they didn’t stand a chance 💔
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sherlokiness ¡ 2 months ago
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i have both seen foreshadowing from jonerys and jonsas, in your opinion, what's the biggest difference between them?
Hi, anon, thanks for the ask.
I think the biggest difference between us is that the greatest gotcha moment for their ship falling in love comes from a prophecy. They're so insistent that bride of fire+sweetness must mean a marriage for love between JD. Mind you, it's the same prophecy with a sword of Damocles hanging over its head called a "treason FOR LOVE." The betrayal is 100% for sure what we know has something to do with love. FOR LOVE of who?
Coincidentally, what I consider the gotcha moment for jonsa has something to do with betrayal too but it concerns a very important choice by Jon. I think it's under the "subtle and obscure" clues GRRM talked about.
Wed to Ser Loras, oh . . . Sansa's breath caught in her throat. [..]She could only imagine what it would be like to pull up his tunic and caress the smooth skin underneath, to stand on her toes and kiss him, to run her fingers through those thick brown curls and drown in his deep brown eyes. A flush crept up her neck.
Here's Sansa imagining drowning in her future husband's eyes.
"You have your mother's eyes. Honest eyes, and innocent. Blue as a sunlit sea. When you are a little older, many a man will drown in those eyes."
A man will.
Longclaw seemed heavier than lead in his hand, too heavy to lift. The man kept staring at him, with eyes as big and black as wells. I will fall into those eyes and drown.
Jon said I WILL.
No, she was one of mine, gods love her, black hair and these sweet big eyes, you could drown in them. Yours
Long dark hair and blue eyes you could drown in, and he had.
When she had been presented to him, Cersei had almost drowned in the depths of his sad purple eyes.
Not could or had or almost. He WILL.
three treasons will you know . . . once for blood and once for gold and once for love . . .
"I remember the Undying. Child of three, they called me. Three mounts they promised me, three fires, and three treasons. One for blood and one for gold and one for …"
She's just short of the word love. So close.
sIt is not me she wants her son to marry, it is my claim. No one will ever marry me for love.
Don't worry, sweetling, Jon will. Once he refuses to marry Dany in favor of Sansa then that becomes a metaphorical "knife into the heart." Words were knives and his sister is his heart. Will he also literally do it in the books? Maybe. One way or another, Jon will stab a knife into Dany's heart.
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atopvisenyashill ¡ 1 year ago
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why do you think jonsa is happening tho? jonerys is different bc they are going to be enemies, but i don’t see what jonsa does for the story
so let me first lay out roughly what i think is going to happen should jonsa become canon. I personally love going down meta and graphic spirals, so I'm including links to other people’s theories/explanations/graphics of events too - also I would like to shout out @istumpysk because half these metas and gifsets were stuff I found on their blog initially, and also was the one who really convinced me that jonsa is less of a crackship and more of a contender for an actual canon theory, and from there i really found my niche in this fandom. specifically this meta about jon being the mummer's dragon is what pulled me out of my "we're never getting twow and if we do it's just gonna be that stupid dany has jon's magical baby while tyrion watches, then they all die theory" slump and lit my brain on fire again. let's goooo:
The Ashford Tourney Theory - Something Shady goes down at the tourney Petyr has planned that requires Sansa to make a quick getaway, and likely causes her to run into Brienne while fleeing. This theory for me is about hinting at Sansa's romantic future, allies, and how she's getting the hell out of the Vale: both the dark haired, Not Targ Looking Targ Prince that is the son of A Great Prince That Never Was being her romantic endgame but also it's about Brienne (/Dunk) getting her the hell out of there and becoming Sansa's number one ally and protector (with Sansa's number two being Bronze Yohn!! But he's not fleeing with her - if he helps her get out of the Vale, it'll be to cause a distraction or a fight so Sansa can slip away unnoticed. Bronze Yohn is coming with the knights of the Vale later to help defend his girl!).
The Girl In Grey - Out of options on where to go, Sansa & Brienne makes a long, fast, and dangerous trek to the only family she knows is still alive: Jon Snow at the Wall. No, I don't think Alys Karstark is the girl in grey on a dying horse; I think she's a red herring, the same as the scene where Sweetrobin destroys the snow castle, and that the real girl in grey (who slays the savage giant) is Sansa. Melisandre says that she sees "Jon's sister" but doesn't specify more than that, or how she knows it's Jon's sister, even - why would she assume Alys is Jon's sister and not some random Northern girl? Why was she so sure that it was his sister? It's because Alys isn't the girl in grey, it's Sansa, her horse dying because she's traveled halfway across the continent with Brienne and Pod, desperately trying to keep ahead of the dozens of people hunting her down.
The Blood of Winterfell - Sansa and Jon will reclaim winterfell together. This one is similar to above; just like Alys was a red herring, the scene where Sansa rebuilds the castle has a lot of foreshadowing (imo) but that isn't the moment in the prophecy Arya hears. The Savage Giant is Littlefinger, the castle of snow is Winterfell, and Sansa is going to liberate her home alongside Jon and what's left of the Northern lords.
Stone and Snow Remains - THIS is where Sansa and Jon will fall in love while fighting for the North. This is also the part where you lose a lot of people, because they think the evidence is real weak sauce but like, I also think the Jonerys "evidence" is weak af too (and no wonder, we have at minimum 2k pages left to get through!!). There's several believed foreshadowing points to this one, bare with me for this weird ass formatting because I can't do sub bullet points on tumblr:
1. Sansa's linking of snow with love and affection - "drifting snowflakes brushed her face as light as lover’s kisses, and melted on her cheeks...She could feel the snow on her lashes, taste it on her lips. It was the taste of Winterfell. The taste of innocence. The taste of dreams." along with her snow maiden and snow knight.
2. Bael the Bard and the Rose of Winterfell - the chapter where Sansa gets her period for the first time, Cersei refers to it as “flowering” a dozen times, linking being a maiden (a young girl, not quite of age or just barely of age) to flowers and several people refer to sex as ~plucking. Also notice the one who stole her from KL is Lord BAELish.
3. Aemon the Dragonknight & Queen Naerys - Sansa compares herself to Naerys, Joffrey to Aegon, and wishes for an Aemon, among the many similarities between her life and Naerys'. Jon not only calls himself Aemon, he has a deep connection with a different Aemon Targaryen. And if you’re thinking “Sansa isn’t Naerys, X is Naerys” I would remind you that Sansa as a character existed first, George purposefully had her compare herself to Naerys, and parallels don't belong to just one character.
4. Jenny of Oldstones and The Prince of Dragonflies - there's honestly a lot of parallels between them but like the Aemon/Naerys parallel, the Jenny/Duncan one stands out to me.
5. Janos Slynt - I mean. Iconic. This was the scene that made me first think about what their relationship could be in the future and there’s a reason Jonsas fixate on it. It’s about Sansa being desperate for a hero and the hero she dreamed about being Jon the whole time. 6. Societal Alienation - There's the bastard parallels here, the "it would be so sweet to see him again", the "Winterfell belongs to my sister, Sansa." It's about how Jon, through circumstances of his birth, finds himself alienated from the rest of society and reconnects with his prim and proper sister Sansa, who finds herself alienated from the rest of society as well but for vastly different reasons.
Robb’s Will - Howland is going to show up in the North, along with Maege and Galbert, with some WILD news about why Jon can’t rule Winterfell. There’s a lot of contention around this. Bran probably shows up around this time too, and Arya gets to the Riverlands to discover Lady Stoneheart and give her the gift of mercy. This is where all the inheritance stuff is going to happen and I have no idea how it's going to go down besides it's going to be messy as all fuck.
The Pact Of Ice And Fire - Jon & Sansa get secret married bc they’re in love, not siblings, & jon is the only man she trusts not to steal her claim. This isn't the only possible foreshadowing instance of a marriage either - some believe the Sandor/Sansa scene during the Battle of the Blackwater is foreshadowing as well (personally I feel that's a bit of a stretch but I wanted to include it anyway).
Jon As An Envoy - I talked about this in my "what's Jon's ending" a little but I believe Jon will act as an envoy for either Sansa or Bran to Aegon VI, essentially playing out a similar story that he does in the show with Daenerys. By which I mean, Jon is not the King because the ruler themselves do not go as an envoy, that’s stupid and dangerous, but he goes as an ambassador for Sansa or Bran, to treat with a new claimant to the Iron Throne that is gaining support - Aegon VI & Jon Connington. They will probably clash, Jon will probably have yet another identity crisis, there had BETTER be gay incest subtext, then Aegon dies, and Jon has his sixth quarter life crisis in a row.
“King” of the Gift - again, something I touched on in my Jon meta is that I think he’s going to have a hand in resettling the Gift. Personally, I think it's likely that Jon leaves to protect the claims of his siblings (see: Duncan and Jenny) and goes to the Gift to help resettle it to keep out of the way. This ending is typically referred to as the "bael the bard" ending but i like to think of it as the "brandon's gift" ending instead - though he is not physically with his family, Jon feels fulfilled having confirmed his family loves him through reclaiming Winterfell and marrying Sansa, being reunited with Arya, and being given the Gift by Bran. Sansa claims her children were fathered by a wolf.
So…what does all this do for the story?
Well, in my opinion, several things.
I think the main barrier here is that most people in the greater fandom describe Sansa's story as ~growing past childish wants~ and Jon's as ~rejecting love~ and I do not agree with either of those takes even a little bit. This is where (imo) the dividing line between Jonsas and the rest of the fandom is. I don’t think the answer to Sansa’s question “will anyone ever marry me for love” is going to be “nah" - that's not just a sad story to me (wanting to be married isn't childish! craving intimacy and understanding isn't childish! it's also not wrong for a child to be childish!), I think the idea that Sansa (or Jon) will not find another love just doesn't line up with how George approaches his story. Who Sansa's husband will be has been such a big question, and her story is so heavy into the more romantic tropes like courtly love and chivalry and the line between politics and love and identity, that the question of Sansa's hand in marriage will be plot relevant. I also think it's kinda naive of people to pretend like George isn't very interested in the sexual dynamics of the characters he writes about (yeah, sure, no woman needs a man but "needing a man" is not what this is about. look at everything this man wrote in F&B and tell me he is going to write a female character that longs for sex and desire and doesn't get it!).
After AGOT, nearly every time Sansa thinks about marriage involves her longing for love but believing she will never get it because a man will only ever love her for her claim. Giving her a man - like Jon - who not only will not steal her claim and in fact has defended it twice over already, who will love her for who she is and not what she can give him, is a really important aspect of her story in my opinion.
As for Jon, I am even more firmly against the opinion that his story is about rejecting love; Jon’s story is about wanting to be a good man, to measure up to his father ~despite~ his bastard blood. When Aemon asks if Ned would choose honor over love and Jon stubbornly says yes, Jon is wrong and it’s important to not forget that. Ned has never once in his entire life chosen honor over love; he chooses his daughter’s life over his honor, he chooses his sister & her son’s life over honor, he chooses Arya & Nymeria over honor, and on and on!!! Ned chooses love at almost turn but none of his children know that just yet - look at Robb choosing Jeyne’s honor over his own and how upset he is at the idea that Ned would be disappointed despite the fact that Ned would have understand Robb’s decision! Jon's whole arc is tied up in realizing that it is not wrong or dirty to feel and choose love, passion, and desire and if he never has another romantic arc again, I think you lose the second part of that lesson which is "you are responsible for how you act when you feel love but that doesn't mean that simply choosing love makes you a bad person."
There's also the fact that George has talked a lot about "who lives, who dies, who gets married" and yet we have not one marriage at the end of the show AND there's not a lot of guesses at what "who gets married" means besides Jon/erys (and even if Jonsa doesn't happen, I simply do not see Jon/erys happening. they are not similar enough, they will not be in the same space for long enough, and they are on wildlly different trajectories for their story, they are not getting married let alone having sex). I think Jonsa fits that bill very well.
These various theories - from Sansa being queen, Jon living in exile, The Ashford Tourney Theory, the secret marriage, every one of them - are ideas and themes that I have really been thinking about for about 12 years now. I think Jon and Sansa's relationship could fit with the themes in their stories, the overarching themes in the books, and my own personal opinions. I think it gives George a great opportunity to delve into the courtly love aspects he enjoys so much, as well as delve into inheritance, legacy, legitimacy, honor, incest (yes, that too), and above all, what George himself has said the whole series is about - love. The human heart in conflict with itself is what I think Jon and Sansa as a romantic couple does for the series.
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agentrouka-blog ¡ 24 days ago
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how do you interpret the moon kissing jon quote? maybe dany will fall in love with him because he's the opposite of the other guys, i don't know if jon will reciprocate tho
"I can show you." Melisandre draped one slender arm over Ghost, and the direwolf licked her face. "The Lord of Light in his wisdom made us male and female, two parts of a greater whole. In our joining there is power. Power to make life. Power to make light. Power to cast shadows." "Shadows." The world seemed darker when he said it. "Every man who walks the earth casts a shadow on the world. Some are thin and weak, others long and dark. You should look behind you, Lord Snow. The moon has kissed you and etched your shadow upon the ice twenty feet tall." Jon glanced over his shoulder. The shadow was there, just as she had said, etched in moonlight against the Wall. A girl in grey on a dying horse, he thought. Coming here, to you. Arya. He turned back to the red priestess. Jon could feel her warmth. She has power. The thought came unbidden, seizing him with iron teeth, but this was not a woman he cared to be indebted to, not even for his little sister. "Dalla told me something once. Val's sister, Mance Rayder's wife. She said that sorcery was a sword without a hilt. There is no safe way to grasp it." (ADWD, Jon VI)
While I get the impulse to equate the moon with Dany and read romance into the kiss, I think the surrounding context is so firmly about prophecy and magic that I see it more as a hint toward Jon's parentage.
The moon, among other things, relates to an origin myth of dragons, and the silvering of hair, likening it to Targaryens. If the moon has kissed Jon, giving him a metaphorical Big Impact on the world (tall shadow, see also Tyrion) then this easily can refer to his secret paternal origin, which matches Jon's discomfort with the darkness, shadows and magical influence implied by Melisandre. The focus on prophecy and its dangers, even the forced wedding of "Arya", the wild Stark sister/daughter, all easily match the context of Jon's conception and birth. There is both power and darkness in that as of yet unknown factor.
So I don't see this as foreshadowing for a romantic entanglement between Jon and Dany.
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phanfictioncatalogue ¡ 5 months ago
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Cis Swap Smut Masterlist
a little spark in the dark (ao3) - dizzy, waveydnp
Summary: dee and fi pull a marie kondo on their sex toy collection
ain't gotta tell me (it's just in my nature) (ao3) - lesbaurinkos (pluginbaby)
Summary: It’s really, really fucking nice, looking in the mirror and seeing something that feels right for the first time since uni, probably. Since the stint when she’d chopped her hair off her first year just to get scared and grow it back out, brushed it off on YouTube as a tomboy phase and run back away from the thing that she thinks she’s always sort of known. The thing that’s prickled under her skin every time she’s put on a dress for an event, makeup for a video, and pretended it’s who she is.
She’s been sick of pretending for a long time now.
(or: fi gets The Chop™)
Barcade (ao3) - yikesola
Summary: It’s been… a while, since Dani and Phoebe let loose like this. Since they got drunk without a worry for the morning’s guaranteed headache. Since they knew tomorrow wouldn’t involve a show, or travel, or a video, or family.
A fic about performance and familiar cities.
crying at the nail salon (i'm so sick of online love) (ao3) - misbhvdan
Summary: The older girl is looking at her in a way that makes Dani feel hot all over. She suddenly realises she has no idea what she’s doing. Oh, no. Fiona is so much more experienced than her. She’s going to make a fool of herself.
“Would you want to sit in my lap?”
“Y-yeah,” Dani nods, reaching for her phone in a way that she hopes isn’t obvious. Hiding it from Fiona’s view, she opens Google and types in, how to have skype sex.
— Dani and Fiona video chat.
give me your hand (and we can play pretend) (ao3) - orphan_account
Summary: In which Dani's the one who decides her life should be some kind of cheesy porno.
her lips know me so well (ao3) - watergator (orphan_account)
Summary: diana loves making her girlfriend feel good
Hot and Cold (ao3) - thewakeless
Summary: Two idiots in love (100% bants and sex)
I want you in the most (un)romantic ways. (ao3) - philsslit
Summary: theres simply not enough 'dan and phil having lesbian sex' fics so I wrote something here ya go
it still gives me a head rush when I hear your name (ao3) - t_hens
Summary: after a night out Dan and Phil indulge in a little something new, as well as each other.
Loving’s so good when love is young (ao3) - orphan_account
Summary: Fiona's trying to watch the game, but her bored girlfriend is making it hard for her to concentrate on the screen.
our secret moments (ao3) - irrationalqueer
Summary: It’s a little bit exhilarating, the way they’d run, actually run down the hallway and crammed their tall bodies into this tiny alcove. Fiona hadn’t even given either of them a chance to calm down or catch their breath; she had just pushed Dani against the wall with her own body and started kissing her.
Ruby Woo (ao3) - phandomsub
Summary: Dani is dealing with yet another break-up, and Phil just wants to be there for her best friend.
sex on the beach (ao3) - calvinahobbes
Summary: The bartender is hot, and she definitely knows it. Phoebe feels herself getting more and more resentful the farther into her second drink she gets.
she keeps me warm (ao3) - outphan
Summary: Dani's first time meeting the Lesters.
She's Got the Look (ao3) - Nefertiti1052 (Succubusphan)
Summary: Diana would have never thought that being constantly late would lead to meeting the most beautiful girl she had ever seen and change her life forever.
slip a ribbon down (ao3) - queerofcups
Summary: Phil knows what its like to want and to keep that want to herself.
Dan sleeps over.
Subtle Foreshadowing (ao3) - dprkives
Summary: 2018 era dnp yuri after that one halloween pumpkin carving video because its my favourite uhhh yeah its absolute filth I hope you enjoy
synchronized (ao3) - Jamez
Summary: "Do you think if we had periods we'd be on at the same time?" —Phil Lester
(or, the one where Dan and Phil's periods sync up)
take me out tonight (meow!) (ao3) - misbhvdan
Summary: Fiona takes a couple of steps back and looks at his girlfriend expectantly. She shifts until she’s found a good pose, kneeling in the middle of the bed and pulling down the hem of the jumper with one hand so it’s covering her crotch. Looking straight at Fiona, she does the little pawing motion again with the other, biting her lip. Fiona is starting to feel very warm. Why the fuck did I agree to being the photographer for her slutty side hustle again?
“Aren’t you gonna take the picture, Daddy?”, Dani asks, acting innocently.
— Fiona helps Dani with her OnlyFans photoshoot.
The altar is my hips, even if it's a false god (we'd still worship this love) (ao3) - philsslit
Summary: As she watches Dani dance around in that incredibly short skirt she is filled with a mixture of love and lust. She can't take her eyes off of her.
or
dan and phil are lesbians. featuring sister daniel. and strap. that's it that's the fic.
Touch (ao3) - Anonymous
Summary: We get so tired and lonely
We need a human touch
Don't want to give ourselves away too much
Touch
try a little tenderness (ao3) - quarterleigh
Summary: "Lillian blows into her life like a gust of forgiving wind on a humid summers day. The moment they meet, Dan feels as if she is exhaling for the first time in months."
Dan meets a beautiful woman at yoga.
uma thurman (ao3) - calvinahobbes
Summary: It's not until Fi pushes her back against her iconic bedspread and makes it slow, makes it deep, looks her in the eye, that Dani realises exactly how much she's been missing out on.
Un-Dressing Room (ao3) - SonjaBlayde
Summary: Danni was annoyed that Pip took forever to try on clothes. She decided to take out her "frustrations."
You go down just like Holy Mary (ao3) - lesbosz
Summary: No matter how hard she tries, how much she prays Sister Daniel can't stop the sinful thoughts. The beautiful nun in the convent doesn't make this any easier for her.
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g0lightly ¡ 8 months ago
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i saw a screenshot reposted on twitter of a j0nsa explaining how to find j0nsa “foreshadowing” and genuinely at first i thought it was a parody of how some j0nsas post on here because it was so …💀
i’m not sharing the screenshot here bc no one deserves harassment or to feel bullied for what they ship. however, seeing that post helped crystallize a long-held observation of mine about a ship that i do not like yet cannot fully avoid due to the fact that it is one of the biggest in the fandom and it involves one of my favorite characters. no hate no shade to my j0nsa mutuals, my filters and i love you for tagging your posts (and also for not posting weird murder fantasies about dany!).
because j0nsa is so popular, it can set the tone for discussions about sansa on here. often times that tone comes across … god how do i say this nicely … weirdly gender essentialist. this is an observation that i’ve struggled to articulate for a while but the post in question inadvertently helped me put my finger on the reason why i am so put off by these theories (and the ship in general if i’m honest).
basically, the post claims that there is a pattern of opposite-sex characters around jon and sansa that have the traits of the other. jon and sansa are both kind of the traditional fantasy hero/heroine ideals so like … of course sansa is going to encounter men who are conventionally masculine in the same way that jon is and of course jon is going to encounter women who are conventionally feminine in the way that sansa is. and of course they'll meet people who aren't that feminine/masculine ideal. the post also says that it can still be j0nsa foreshadowing if the person in question had “opposite” traits from jon or sansa — apparently jon thinking about arya means he’s actually thinking about sansa? uh… i think you just made up circular logic so that you can claim every woman jon interacts with or thinks about is a sansa stand in and vis-versa!
in the actual text, meanwhile, jon finds himself drawn to warrior women like ygritte. in a way, sansa is too – she seems to have a fascination with mya stone. an actual parallel between jon and sansa is the fact that they each have a fascination with a dark-haired androgynous bastard of their same sex that they call pretty in their respective remote snowy locations (satin and mya). they also both remark on the beauty of the lannister twins — only, jon remarks on jaime’s beauty and sansa remarks on cersei’s beauty.
now, these examples are some of the reasons why i personally read jon and sansa as characters who are likely queer in some capacity. frankly a lot of sansa’s thoughts remind me of myself as a closeted preteen. because i read both characters as not straight, however, i find it especially restrictive when the conversation around these characters is reduced to how well they fit their masculine/feminine ideals and why that means they must be soulmates. it doesn't give them room to defy the gender ideals that define them in some fans' minds. in a series about subverting conventional tropes in fantasy, i just don’t believe that the feminine ideal girl and the masculine ideal boy are going to ride off into the sunset together.
yet, you could use the same passages from the text to say that jon and sansa’s admiration of cersei and jaime means that they’ll also do sibling incest (i don’t care that they’re cousins by blood, they were raised as siblings). jon comments on the fact that jaime looks the way a king should and sansa looks up to cersei because she wants to be queen one day – again, you could also use this to argue jon will be king and sansa will be queen. i mean, i would disagree with you, but it still makes a hell of a lot more sense than reducing every woman jon interacts with into a sansa stand-in and reducing every man sansa interacts with to a jon stand-in.
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travllingbunny ¡ 7 months ago
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Yoy think Daenerys will turn evil in the books?
No. I also don't think she will go mad.
I do think she will get darker and more ruthless in The Winds of WInter. So will Jon Snow. In Dany's case it will be because she tried to repress the "dragon" side of her nature and made too many compromises in Meereen in ADWD, which she will realize was a mistake, symbolically embracing her dragon side now that she's with Drogon and has become his rider, but she may go too far into the other direction.
She will also at some point meet Tyrion, who will become her advisor - and Tyrion is definitely in his dark phase already and full of rage and desire for revenge against his family - especially his siblings, so he is certainly not going to be a moderating, level-headed influence.
I think, on the personal level, TWOW Jon Snow will be darker and more terrifying than Dany, and maybe more than Tyrion too, once he comes back from the dead (probably after spending some time in Ghost) - because he has the mystical storyline of getting resurrected, in addition to the man/direwolf duality and symbiosis. GRRM has made it clear many times that he thinks any storyline of someone getting resurrected must include a heavy price, and that it can't be just someone being the same or having even bigger powers. However, Jon Snow being even more terrifying than Dany and Tyrion on the personal level would be off-set by the fact that Dany is a dragonrider with control over two more dragons, which gives her a lot of potentially destructive power. (This may change when/if Jon gets to ride a dragon too, but Dany will already have that kind of power when she gets to Westeros.)
I think we're in for a very dark penultimate novel, where our protagonists will do a lot of troubling and maybe destructive things. But I don't think any of them are meant to end up their arcs as evil. It would especially be weird for Dany. GRRM has already written a "mad Queen/evil Queen" character, who loves fire, doesn't care for the lives of most people, and has been compared to Aerys - it's Cersei. So why would he make Dany go mad and evil too? Dany and Jon are parallels to each other. Dany and Cersei, on the other hand, are written to be two powerful women who are complete opposites as people and rulers (even with some of the similar experiences), so it makes no sense for them to end up both evil and mad, unless the author is trying to say women rulers are bad in general, which I really can't see GRRM deciding to do. And Dany constantly questioning her actions and her sanity (something a malignant narcissist like Cersei never does) is another reason why her going evil and/or insane would be extremely unsatisfying.
I think that the show plot of King's Landing getting destroyed will happen in the books as the tragic result of the Dany/fAegon civil war, and that it will probably be due to several factors including Dany's dragons ( it would be both/either due to her her determination to be harsh to her enemies and/or inability to fully control Drogon). stashes of wildfire in the city, and Jon Connington likely doing something extreme. He is the one who is likely to get triggered by the sound of bells, because it reminds him of his loss at the Battle of Bells, which has haunted him since, and he has already decided that he has to be more extreme and ruthless, like Tywin, in order to win this time.
In any case, I think whatever happens makes Dany decide that fighting for the Iron Throne was wrong and makes her want to redeem herself, and that her ultimate fate is to fight the Others, which has been foreshadowed. And if I'm certain of anything about ASOIAF, it's that the Long Night will not be the short, anticlimactic affair it was in the show - it will be the big, final showdown, because it has always been strongly implied that this is what the humans in the story really need to focus on, instead of fighting each other over power.
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catofoldstones ¡ 1 year ago
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(Rhaegar Frey - jonos frey, rhaenyra and cersei historical parallels,direwolf and the stag foreshadowing in the prologue,a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair=purple wedding, duncan the tall and brienne parallels, the rule of 3s prevalent in the story including shireen in twow )
fandom at large : brilliant foreshadowing and parallels we're so smart :D
fans : ashford theory + jonnel and sansa having reversed parallels in story would make some sense
Fandom at large : ......its just a coincidence you guys are reaching :/
Jonsas were reaching when they said that Sansa will go North in the books. Jonsas were reaching when they said that Sansa will be the QiTN in the show. Jonsas were reaching when they said that there will be no Targ restoration. Jonsas were reaching when they said a Dark! Dany will burn KL. Jonsas were reaching when they said Sansa and Arya will come back together as sisters and as a team. What are you saying anon? We have always been reaching.
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amaltheas-garden ¡ 9 months ago
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Another clue that we will be getting a love triangle between Sansa/Dany/Jon is the comparison with Val. What was the reason George had Val with silver hair if not for Dany as a potential love interest?
Yesss I love the Val theory! I doubt we'll get a cheesy love triangle a la Twighlight situation (I certainly hope not), but assuming Val's changing hair/eyes is intentional, Jon will be linked romantically with Sansa and Dany. We know Sansa is going to spend a lot of time with Jon in TWoW, and Dany won't even make it to Westeros till the start of ADoS, so I'm not sure how much time will be spent on the Dany-Jon subplot. There's also the possibility of pol!Jon, which would make it easier to do a quick love-but-not-really arc for them. Tbh, by the time Jon and Dany meet, I'm assuming she'll have already deposed Aegon VI, which (if Jon already knows his parentage) would mean he's coming face to face with the woman who killed the older brother he didn't know he had (yikes). I've always leaned in the direction of grrm simply not having enough time to do a full romance-betrayal with J/D, so by the time they meet, each are entering their final arcs of the story, so I can't see Jon having any legitimate romantic feelings for her. As a lot of people have already pointed out, Jon's interaction with silver haired Val was not positive, and gives J/D some ominous foreshadowing:
 The light of the half-moon turned Val's honey-blond hair a pale silver and left her cheeks as white as snow. She took a deep breath. "The air tastes sweet."
"My tongue is too numb to tell. All I can taste is cold."
vs:
Her breath was white as well … but her eyes were blue, her long braid the color of dark honey, her cheeks flushed red from the cold. It had been a long while since Jon Snow had seen a sight so lovely.
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cocoondreamlike ¡ 5 months ago
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one of my favorite parallels in 'a storm of swords' is the motif of fire in the middle of the book pre-red wedding- dany’s dragonfire and the respective r’hllorist fires of melisandre (& stannis) and thoros (& beric). there’s an interesting connection/comparison between daenerys & the brotherhood without banners’s use of fire as protection of “the weak”, liberation of the oppressed & breaking of chains, whereas melisandre’s fires in this structure foreshadow a volatility and darkness to the fire even in the service of light (see: lady stoneheart, dany at the end of adwd).
and then thinking about how fire symbolizes passion or even love and desire!
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daenerystargaryen06 ¡ 2 years ago
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" we have ample evidence from the books that there can/will be a Targ Restoration, but it won't end with the Targs on the throne"
could you tell me which ones?
The evidence for a Targ restoration is laid within small hints and foreshadowing within the books. It is subtle and not easily caught, but if you take a moment to go through the books with a careful eye and speculate over the reasons GRRM has written certain things in Dany and Jon's chapters, it can be led as a potential hint/speculative potential of Dany and Jon to be the ones to carry out the Targ legacy/restoration.
Let's begin with the beginning foundations of Dany and Jon being set up to meet:
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . ." -A Clash of Kings - Daenerys IV
"We should have twenty trebuchets, not two, and they should be mounted on sledges and turntables so we could move them. It was a futile thought. He might as well wish for another thousand men, and maybe a dragon or three." -A Storm of Swords - Jon VIII
"Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of; her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow." -A Storm of Swords - Daenerys II
"All in black, he was a shadow among shadows, dark of hair, long of face, grey of eye." -A Clash of Kings - Jon I
Jon and Daenerys are meant to meet, and a relationship will spark between them, as hinted at within the books. GRRM has also stated to D&D (as said by them) that the main point of GoT/ASOIAF is Jon and Daenerys meeting. Two people who struggle with politics, leading, and coming to terms with their true identities. Daenerys just wants peace and a home, Jon just wants to know who his mother was and a home for himself as well.
Now where does Targ restoration come into play and is hinted at? We have a few select lines within the books that give us some subtle cues:
"Drogon killed a little girl. Her name was … her name …" Dany could not recall the child's name. That made her so sad that she would have cried if all her tears had not been burned away. "I will never have a little girl. I was the Mother of Dragons." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys X
"I would need to steal her if I wanted her love, but she might give me children. I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall. I could name him Robb." -A Storm of Swords - Jon XII
Both Jon and Daenerys think of having children, but both resign into accepting that they may never have children of their own. Daenerys due to believing she was cursed by Mirri Maz Duur, and Jon due to being a sworn brother of the Night's Watch along with thinking that he is a bastard.
There is also the fact that when Daenerys is out upon the Dothraki Sea, she has a miscarriage:
"When she woke, gasping, her thighs were slick with blood. . . For a moment she did not realize what it was. The world had just begun to lighten, and the tall grass rustled softly in the wind. No, please, let me sleep some more. I'm so tired. She tried to burrow back beneath the pile of grass she had torn up when she went to sleep. Some of the stalks felt wet. Had it rained again? She sat up, afraid that she had soiled herself as she slept. When she brought her fingers to her face, she could smell the blood on them. Am I dying? Then she saw the pale crescent moon, floating high above the grass, and it came to her that this was no more than her moon blood. If she had not been so sick and scared, that might have come as a relief. Instead she began to shiver violently. She was bleeding, but it was only woman's blood. The moon is still a crescent, though. How can that be? She tried to remember the last time she had bled. The last full moon? The one before? The one before that? No, it cannot have been so long as that. . . As she splashed her face, she saw fresh blood on her thighs. The ragged hem of her undertunic was stained with it. The sight of so much red frightened her. Moon blood, it's only my moon blood, but she did not remember ever having such a heavy flow." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys X
When Daenerys has the miscarriage, she thinks it's her menstrual cycle. But the blood is too heavy, and occurs after she has eaten green berries and drank polluted water upon the Dothraki Sea- which could have resulted in her losing the pregnancy. This is a subtle hint that Daenerys can get pregnant, and likely will get pregnant again with Jon's child in the future, and will carry it to full term.
There are also hints within the books of Viserion exhibiting nesting like behavior, which can also result in bringing more dragon eggs into the world, that would eventually hatch and bring a new age of dragons:
"Viserion had shattered one chain and melted the others. He clung to the roof of the pit like some huge white bat, his claws dug deep into the burnt and crumbling bricks." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys VIII
"For a moment he saw only the blackened arches of the bricks above, scorched by dragonflame. A trickle of ash caught his eye, betraying movement. Something pale, half-hidden, stirring. He's made himself a cave, the prince realized. A burrow in the brick. The foundations of the Great Pyramid of Meereen were massive and thick to support the weight of the huge structure overhead; even the interior walls were three times thicker than any castle's curtain walls. But Viserion had dug himself a hole in them with flame and claw, a hole big enough to sleep in." -A Dance with Dragons - The Dragontamer
Dragons are mentioned within the book to be genderless, truly, and they can switch their gender at will. Which means that any one of Daenerys' dragons could lay eggs and bring more dragons into the world, but Viserion might be the one to do so first.
"No one ever looked for a girl," he said. "It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought . . . the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King's Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet. What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it." Just talking of her seemed to make him stronger. "I must go to her. I must. Would that I was even ten years younger." -A Feast for Crows - Samwell IV
As for Jon and Daenerys not winding up on the throne, that is mere speculation. But Jon and Daenerys both long for home, and even though their arcs are centered around ruling, leading, politics, etc. they necessarily don't want the burden of ruling as well. Both are thrust into their positions of power and are doing the best they can with being so young and having to deal with all of this going on. Which means that in the end they could very well turn away from ruling to lead their own lives of peace within a home they find for themselves with their future potential children.
"If I were not the blood of the dragon, she thought wistfully, this could be my home. She was khaleesi, she had a strong man and a swift horse, handmaids to serve her, warriors to keep her safe, an honored place in the dosh khaleen awaiting her when she grew old … and in her womb grew a son who would one day bestride the world. That should be enough for any woman … but not for the dragon. With Viserys gone, Daenerys was the last, the very last. She was the seed of kings and conquerors, and so too the child inside her. She must not forget." -A Game of Thrones - Daenerys VI
"Meereen was not her home, and never would be. It was a city of strange men with strange gods and stranger hair, of slavers wrapped in fringed tokars, where grace was earned through whoring, butchery was art, and dog was a delicacy. Meereen would always be the Harpy's city, and Daenerys could not be a harpy." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys X
"We will have it all back someday, sweet sister," he would promise her. Sometimes his hands shook when he talked about it. "The jewels and the silks, Dragonstone and King's Landing, the Iron Throne and the Seven Kingdoms, all they have taken from us, we will have it back." Viserys lived for that day. All that Daenerys wanted back was the big house with the red door, the lemon tree outside her window, the childhood she had never known." -A Game of Thrones - Daenerys I
"Of the ride back, Jon Snow remembered little. It seemed shorter than the journey south, perhaps because his mind was elsewhere. Pyp set the pace, galloping, walking, trotting, and then breaking into another gallop. Mole's Town came and went, the red lantern over the brothel long extinguished. They made good time. Dawn was still an hour off when Jon glimpsed the towers of Castle Black ahead of them, dark against the pale immensity of the Wall. It did not seem like home this time." -A Game of Thrones - Jon IX
"Thunder rumbled softly in the distance, but above him the clouds were breaking up. Jon searched the sky until he found the Ice Dragon, then turned the mare north for the Wall and Castle Black. The throb of pain in his thigh muscle made him wince as he put his heels into the old man's horse. I am going home, he told himself. But if that was true, why did he feel so hollow?" -A Storm of Swords - Jon V
"When the dreams took him, he found himself back home once more, splashing in the hot pools beneath a huge white weirwood that had his father's face. Ygritte was with him, laughing at him, shedding her skins till she was naked as her name day, trying to kiss him, but he couldn't, not with his father watching. He was the blood of Winterfell, a man of the Night's Watch. I will not father a bastard, he told her. I will not. I will not. "You know nothing, Jon Snow," she whispered, her skin dissolving in the hot water, the flesh beneath sloughing off her bones until only skull and skeleton remained, and the pool bubbled thick and red." -A Storm of Swords - Jon VI
There is also the fact that apparently GRRM told D&D that Bran would become King. Now, I don't exactly believe that myself as stated in another post made by me here. And there is also the fact that GRRM could change Bran's ending/role, or make him King of something else (such as King of the North). But if Bran DOES become King of the 7k as stated by D&D for GRRM's planned ending, Jon and Daenerys bringing a Targ restoration together within their own form of home away from ruling is another ending I can imagine for them. We have the groundwork and subtle cues/hints/foreshadowing for such a thing to happen. Of course, I do want Jon and Daenerys to wind up ruling together as equals over the 7k with a family of their own and their dragons, but in the end- I'll accept any ending just as long as my babies wind up together and happy. Thanks for the ask! :)
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