#dreamwastaken discourse

[brett-is-afraid]

"🤡: Until I End Up Dead is so disrespectful. Dream wasn't honoring Techno's memory, it was just gross."

[cxyotl]

//grooming

this shit with dream. honestly, i got a few thoughts about it. i’ve spent the last day or so reviewing the evidence and checking both sides. this might be a long post bear with me. also read the whole thing, or at least read my conclusion, before commenting.

-initial allegations:

i have decided to respect the alleged victim(s), and as dream’s only statement as of today, October 14, 2022 (MST 19:08), has been a whiney priv twitter thread, i’ve elected to place that dream has not made any real statements regarding the allegations. i will further explore his defense when he gets home and takes this seriously. i’m honestly disgusted by his initial response. if he makes no genuine response, i will assume he doesn’t take these matters seriously and that will be evidence enough for me to quit respecting him.

-faked or inefficient evidence:

i have seen plenty of evidence so far against the provided proof of the first victim, but at the same time i have seen other evidence in support or her proof. for example, her having the same story about this for two years. the bigger problem here is inefficient evidence. dream has not come out yet with any proof whether or not they did have communication. theres too little here for us to know definitively. the next part will continue.

-definition of grooming:

based on the released messages of the original poster, i see no real instances of grooming. i am seeing that he is being cringey with an overuse of heart eyed emojis. there is no coercion, no threats, and no power play going on in the provided proof. that being said, things like this can be one-sided and uncomfortable to experience. i would not define this as grooming, rather, a misreading of boundaries. this is still a problem, for a content creator and fan to have this misunderstanding, but it is not equivalent to grooming. historically, dream has had issues with understanding other people’s boundaries. the “16 is legal in the uk” joke thats going around is proof of that. thats an uncomfortable joke, and tommy obviously didnt like it, but its not solid proof of pedophilia. i’ve always believed, and will continue to believe, that he needs to work on this moving forward.

-racism, antiblackness, and antisemitism

with this being talked about, im seeing a lot of people talk about other things dream has done. i can only really speak on his comments about mexicans, but recognize that hes been in the wrong before by blocking people educating him on antiblackness, collaborating with notch, etc etc. personally i believe it is unfair for him and especially for the victims for this to be turned into a “look at All the shit hes done!” thing. the conversation should be focused on the stories of the victims right now. i encourage these callouts on him, especially with his lacking apologies, but now is not the time. i say this as a victim of sexual assault and grooming.

-“dream in these stories acts out of character”

you do not know him. parasocial relationships, although they are a joke now, are still serious as hell. i’ve watched dream since 2020 and i’ll admit, some of these things don’t add up to what we know about him. the biggest thing, being that he face revealed to this fan. that does not track with what we have seen about him. with that said, *we don’t know this guy*. the only people who will confirm if these actions are out of character are his friends, and that’s it. we cannot do that.

-conclusion

“believe victims always” and “believe victims first” are two different sayings, and neither should be the first thing to come to mind. always take things with a grain of salt. that being said, express empathy and RESPECT to the victims coming forward. to dream stans: do NOT jump to the conclusion now that dream is innocent, and do NOT say shitty things to or about the victims coming out. to antis: stop celebrating this shit. it’s disrespectful as fuck, strays the conversations, and makes it harder to find the evidence if its all buried under your shitty memes about it. i am choosing to not make any conclusions until it is confirmed OR denied by further evidence.

i have no problem unsubbing from dream if this is true— understand that i have basically abandoned his content out of boredom and literally not watched a single stream or video of his since like 2021 (aside from the face reveal). im by no means a dream stan. i watch and engage with dream smp content, and thats the extent to what i do concerning dream. i also don’t hate him. thats why i’m hoping this post is portrayed as neutral as possible.

if you are overwhelmed by this, i am also supporting you. my support and empathy does not end with the alleged victims. take care of yourself, stay off twitter, and know my dms are always open.

[lovingdreamworld]

dream talking about the drama and denouncing harassment 💗

Dream: I hope everyone's alright, sorry for all the drama and everything that's been going on. Obviously [I] don't want any drama or anything, from anybody, and obviously all love to the community and all love to everything, everyone. I don't want to spread any hate, please don't send any hate to anybody. Obviously don't- no like, no bad, naughty stuff, no doxxing and all that shit, it's not cool. Very not cool. So this was a little bit of a break from all that I guess. I don't like- I don't like dragging drama, especially when it's involving people that I care about, and stuff, as well.

My biggest thing, I guess, I see a lot of people that are upset about it either which way, and I just don't want- I don't want anything, I just wanted people to understand, from my perspective, kinda what was going on. It's totally just a, "Hey! This is from my perspective!" This is what I'm, this is what I'm, you know, right now going through. And, so it was very much not like a- anything other than just, "Hey people," mostly for you guys, for fans of mine that kind of want to know what's happening or were confused maybe about anything like- about what's been going on, or whatever. And so, it was very much like a, "Hey, this is what is happening," and that's kind of it, I guess.

Outside of that- obviously please don't send any hate to Quackity or anything. Love him, it's just confusing. I don't know. Bunch of his friends who were just confused and feeling hurt, and want to know what's going on. That's it. Simple as that. Love you guys, talk to you soon, hopefully. Bye!

[the-final-sif]

Putting aside all the fun for a second, I think this puts on full fucking blast how fake and performative the """"activism"""" you see from people like sophietexas or connereatspants really is.

The core of activism, the bleeding, beating heart of it, is trying to get people to change their behaviors. The very most bare bones, basic element of it, is sitting down and talking with people to find ways to improve things and make things change.

People like sophietexas or connereatspants are more than happy to post a vague tweet for clout or to win some twitter brownie points, but they aren't willing to do the most basic step of sitting down and telling someone "Hey, listen, this thing that you did was harmful to me or to someone else, and I would like you to change". Even when the person or someone related to that person directly contacts them and asks what went wrong.

That is the most barebones form of activism. Hell, not even activism, just straight up being part of a functional community. It's being willing to speak up when someone does something that you think is wrong, and have a conversation with them. Educate them. Explain your perspective and hear theirs.

But they don't want to do that. They don't want to actually see change and improvement and progress. They want likes on twitter and then to run crying when they get called out for being shitty and not putting forth even the most basic attempt to fix things.

Anyways I think Dream deserves a gun. Or two.

[hermitdream]

i hope these "dream is innocent but still bad" people stop and think that maybe if people are willing to lie and exaggerate about him breaking The Law the rest of the stuff that's "making him bad" isn't also that true

[10piecechickenmcnugget]

dream stans still baffle me it’s just. at what point does it get too much for you? at what point is the line crossed? i know there’s nothing i can say that hasn’t been said before but.

the allegations just keep coming out. the things he did on stream to tommy, to tubbo, to tubbos 14 year old sister. he took advantage of people who were supposed to be his friends, more and more victims keep coming out about what he did. there’s solid fucking evidence, and a lot of it.

all his friends are leaving him. do you think it’s just some big elaborate prank? that everyone collectively is just making this up?

at what point is it too much for you to defend him? cause if you haven’t reached that point by now, i don’t even know what to say.

[spacemilkbag]

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[simplepotatofarmer]

the fact people can see some 20 year old dude harassing an uber driver, being antisemitic, saying slurs and calling a queer man a faggot and somehow still make it dream's fault is breath-taking. not to mention the fatphobia!

not a single one of them actually care. they have zero morals and no backbone. all they want is to hate dream. it's disgusting.

[dtupdates-archive]

♡—DREAM posted on Twitter.

[alittledizzy]

i liked your dnp stuff but the fact that you still feel comfortable posting dnf is actually insane. regardless of the details of the situation why would you even want to think about those men they're such creeps.

I'm happy to hear you liked my Dan and Phil stuff!

Unfortunately I think we're just going to disagree on the rest of your message. The fact that you think they're creeps indicates to me that you're being very truthful and you don't care to look into the details of anything, which we differ on. The details of the situation are actually very important to me, and not at all something I want to disregard.

Here's a fun detail: did you know the campaign against Dream, the root of all of this public opinion about him, started on Kiwi Farms? I'm not going to link it because it's a vile site, but if you've never heard of it you can google for verification. It's an alt right hotbed where the users orchestrate mass harassment and doxxing of anyone they don't like. This is not an insubstantial fan defense of Dream - like I said, you can literally google it. You can look at the thread on him, the over five hundred pages of it. You can see them planning how they'll take him down and spread the lies/rumors.

Can you guess why they might not like an openly queer, neurodivergent content creator in the gaming space? Their actual goal was to try and see if they could get him to kill himself. They set out to start enough rumors that would go mainstream and spread enough about him (doxxing him, his family, etc) and it worked, to an extent. He didn't kill himself, but they absolutely succeeded in making people who aren't familiar with him genuinely believe he is an awful person though none of the facts really stand up because his story is just like most other people's. He grew up in a conservative home and had some dodgy posts about politics from when he was fifteen. (Did you know Phil Lester did the same thing?) That's been warped into "Dream is a Trumper Republican." when he's absolutely not. He's not perfect, but he's literally just a human being who has had a growth trajectory that people want to ignore because it doesn't fit the "creepy" box they think he belongs in.

He was in an abusive relationship as a teenager (where he was abused) and he had some messy situationships with other people his age. Most people with a high school/teenage social experience also go through that. But Dream's actions at 17/18/19 are held on a pedestal compared to real life (not online) adult relationships instead of other messy teenagers. None of the allegations about him are true. They came from fans who couldn't provide any proof, and burner accounts. They were all dropped and recanted. But people don't want to hear him clear things up. They don't want to see that people admitted they were lying. It doesn't fit the narrative of creepy.

Anyway - like I said, I'm glad you liked my dnp stuff, and I wish you the best! But I'm just not someone who is going to distill people down into one specific category or drop anyone based on public opinion without looking at the facts myself and coming to my own conclusion.

[terrible-leviathan]

How this whole situation is starting to look like

[lovingdreamworld]

USMP Admin talking about the doxxing, death threats, and stalking they received.

Please heed the trigger warnings below.

[the-final-sif]

Also as the QSMP crashes and burns from illegal labor practices and admins quitting and taking their characters with them because it turns out that Quackity didn't write any of this @Dream you have the chance to do the single funniest new minecraft server announcement of all time, please for the love of god it'd be hilarious.

[hopalongfairywren]

Like even if Dream had one hundred percent proven his innocence their, with the way Dream stans have been behaving in the lead up to this video (and in general) is just another reason this man should not have a platform. Every cc has toxic fans. Every cc has bad eggs. But the way these people acting like teary-eyed widows seeing Dream off to fight a war isn't funny it's disturbing. Like this is legitmately disturbing how he's got so many young people so thoroughly invested in him, how his fanbase is now purposely trying to AVOID the sharing of information, the way they call anyone rightfully disgusted by him a 'dranti' and warn each other about being fucking doxxed... It's gross.

[you-need-not-apply]

This is the first and last time I’ll speak about this on this account, I prefer to not talk about situations like this on my main (or any account) and I’ve had all of the tags connecting to said situation blocked.

However, when the new video Dream posted came up on my TikTok fyp, I have opinions.

Weather you think he’s guilty or innocent, somewhere in between, hate him or love him. I think it’s incredibly important to actually watch the video before having opinions on it.

Watch the video before dissing the video

I personally don’t care which way this goes, I have no skin in the game. So I will not be watching the video as I don’t care. I’m neither defending nor attacking him or anyone, I’m avoiding the entire thing. for those who do care, no matter the side, you should watch it.

the amount of comments and tiktoks who are saying “I’m not even watching it we all know he’s a groomer” Is ridiculous. Especially the amount who before this were asking for a response from dream and are now saying “he’s just yapping on for an hour it doesn’t matter” Here’s your evidence, so do what you want with it.

So please, before having an opinion on the video, watch the video. Save us all the pain ffs

[mahgck]

highlight reel after five mins scrolling twitter to catch up on The Drama