#goldstar discourse

[goldstar-rage]

for the idiots out there

[sunflower-graves]

Is goldstar lesbian discourse still a thing?

I need to feel alive again…

[reginageourge]

How does it feel knowing that a discourse you started has goldstars and non-goldstars fighting to this day even though you're barely active these days?

well tbf I didn't start anything, my anons did and I happened to agree. I just had a large enough following at the time for it to actually get noticed™️ by radblr at large and turn into something that has very much escaped the confines of my blog.

[locusnegotium]

If I can acknowledge that I'm freer than a woman who has to tough it out in a menstrual hut every month (even though periods are still technically stigmatized on this side of the pond and women are still the marginalized class in the equation), then a northwestern lesbian with zero nonconsensual history with men can acknowledge she has an advantage that other women Of Her Very Exact Same Orientation didn't.

[knightgimp]

i deleted it because i probably shouldn't touch discourse on this website with a 10ft pole but i just had goldstar objectum discourse recommended to me by tumblr and I'm still reeling

tumblr still amazes me with the most retarded hot takes possible

[susansontag]

If I may contribute to some discourse, as a lesbian of the ‘born-this-way (or else everyone’s sexuality is developed at some time during puberty)’ philosophy, though I don’t agree with a decent amount of the political lesbians’ views on patriarchy and heterosexuality, I do think a decent amount of them are just your garden variety lesbian who conceptualises her attraction differently, and would much rather be surrounded by such women in place of the ‘the only real lesbians are goldstars or else are abuse survivors’ lesbians

both extremes I disagree with, but at least the political lesbians seem open to disagreement and discussion, and seem to have friendships and meaningful relationships with women who think differently to them. they are secure in themselves. the amount of insecurity and vehemence on display in the latter group on the other hand is off the charts, you can barely have a reasonable discussion with them. it would be a nightmare to organise with them imo

[swagyna]

also i think we are potentially going to breech the threshold of goldstar discourse again bc i have heard some INSANE shit thru the grapevine from twt and i'm actually at a loss for words.

lesbian means u r a female strictly sexually attracted to (which means u ONLY HAVE SEX WITH) other females. that… that's it. there's nothing else that makes you a lesbian idk why this has to be said. and nothing that can remove this from u.

[rosemary-is-in-pesterquest]

Will always find it so hilarious that some hs fans hate Rose being a lesbian so much, they just resort to using goldstar lesbianism argument points for their homestuck discourse

[rozenn]

I.

Hey, I am rozenn. Been on Tumblr for years but decided to make a new account. Most of this blog will consist of reblogging sapphic content, anime/manga and cartoons/comics, and art that catches my eyes, with the occasional feminism. I’m a proud goldstar lesbian and really love women! 💫💫💫

II.

Carrd Link: AWOL

Fav Tags (Casual): #lesbian content, #yuri, #vocaloid, #homestuck #homumado

Fav Tags (Feminism): #female solidarity, #gender nonconformity

Tags To Learn: #reasons why i peaked #gender critical #genital preference discourse

III.

DNI: Racists, sexists, homophobes, nazis, etc

That’s all! Now come and look at all the lovely gay stuff I’ve reblogged and will continue to reblog 🥰

[velvetvexations]

The way the op of that post worded the post kinda rubbed me the wrong way, because all the lesbian trans men I've seen are multigender (both men and "nonmen" at the same time). Multigender people identifying as lesbians is not the same as lesbophobic straight men feeling entitled over lesbian/sapphic people's bodies (like "oh you just haven't met the right man yet" or "you just need the right dick to turn you straight"). It's also not the same as terfs saying "straight identified TIFs are actually just brainwashed lesbians trying to escape homophobia and misogyny". This kind of gatekeeping of the lesbian label reminds me of the goldstar and longsword lesbian discourse era. They were constantly trying to kick out trans women/ nonbinary lesbians because "lesbians are exclusively same sex attracted females/same gender attracted women! If you're not a biological female/identify as a woman, then you can't be a lesbian!" And now it's "lesbians are exclusively nonmen attracted to nonmen! If you're also a man then you can't be a lesbian!" And I fully agree that calling transhet men "lesbians" is blatant misgendering and is in fact transphobic. But op seems to blame that kind of transphobia on lesbians who are also trans men, while just completely forgetting about multigender lesbian men who were amab. No one's saying "I might be a trans mlw but I was afab and that automatically makes me a lesbian", that's just a bad faith reading of what lesbian trans men are actually saying.

Some TIRFs say that but it's also possible OP misread something and ascribed it to TIRFs. After I posted my response to him (having put it in my drafts earlier) I noticed he'd already clarified on another reblog he wasn't intending to go after transmascs who's attraction to women is queer, so I was willing to give his reply to me the benefit of the doubt and accept he just worded his point really badly.

I'm going to bed, but if anyone thinks I'm missing anything, please tell me.

[scarefox]

btw would appreciate if the BL & GL fandoms would finally stop calling bi-, pan- & demisexuality problematic gay representation or homophobia in fiction.

"But he was only gay for him implies he's not properly gay!" Yea guess what there are other sexualities that are not straight or gay. (it doesn't really matter if the writer thought in strict labels, when people find themselves relating to the story anyways)

Nobody said that all BL boys (same for GL girls) are gay... it says boys love and not gay love. And before anyone comes with "but it originates from yaoi"! Yea and that just transaltes to basically pwp („yamanashi ochinashi iminashi“ (山無し 落ち無し 意味無し))* and "shonen ai" is literally boys love again.

But there are even gay men out there who dated girls before realizing they were actually gay. It's not that rare and non-relatable for some gay men either, so chill .... this whole discourse always gave me, besides the (not thought about) biphobia, a taste of "goldstar lesbian gay" ...

*Yuri (百合) is just the japanese word for lily btw but is also slang for f/f romance

[lesb0]

What do you think of the ‘goldstars are lucky’ discourse? it just makes wish for a day when no lesbian ever has to be with a man ever.

Yeah I've had a lot of dates say I'm lucky that I came out so early before puberty and knew what I physically wanted when dating boys vs girls which was firmly non-physical with the former lol. but I don't think having sex with my highschool boyfriends would have made me turn out any different. The touch of men would not affect my life very significantly.

[wiihtigo]

6 and 7 for casey and also 20 :)c

Ask game

6. What catalyzed their introduction to the plot?

True to her rotten soul, she was summoned to the plot in vp by discourse and disorder in the family. She comes around during a point when Michelle is starting to get sudden positive public attention as goldstar, and since boosters been mostly out of public eye since starting to be the silent protector of the time stream, she’s treated as something of a big new breakout sensation (they’re bored as fuck in metropolis)

Michelle is dealing with some inner turmoil and fighting with booster which she’s been keeping under wraps cuz she’s gods strongest soldier but she sees the attention on goldstar as a way to break away from it all and gain some independence and also as a sort of petty bite back at her brother who is being very annoying at the moment warning her about the dangers of stardom. As if he’s so smart. DIE. She starts spending more time as goldstar the superhero and less as goldstar the time master and is fighting a lot with booster, so she starts looking for her own place and wants to start at university and do all these things for herself (we’re so proud of her. I mean I am. FUCK BOOSTER GOLD) and CUE….. CASEY WILKES

Michelle is enrolled in uni, but she’s still living in the time lab and her brother is driving her fckn crazy every time she’s home. And she’s having trouble adjusting to sxhool life (I imagined she didn’t attend college like booster did, and just kept working out of highschool all the way up till she was dragged into the past) And as if drawn magnetically towards someone else who wants to kill MJ Carter, she and Casey have a chance encounter at a cafe near school and they chat a little. Casey tells Michelle she goes to the university near here too. That’s crazy. We have so much in common! Eventually while talking it turns to venting cuz Michelle was looking a little miserable before they started talking and she accidentally lets boosters name slip in convo. And Casey’s like 🙂 oh thats 🙂 that’s an interesting name. And btw you look. A little familiar? [MR KRAAAAABS I HAVE AN IDEAAAAAA] so from then Casey latches onto her like a leech and eventually gets the confirmation this was destiny and I can’t believe this is BOOSTER GOLDS (I THOUGHT SHE WAS DEAD) TWIN SISTER. AND SHES MAD AT HIM? THIS IS PERFECT

And then.. well that’s more middle of the story stuff. And this was asking about her introduction! (Her relationship with Michelle is interesting to me because aside from the friendship betrayal stuff it’s a rare case of her being weirdly friendly- at least by her standards)

7. What attribute of them (some facet of their personality, their history, their look, or whatever etc) would you find most important to somehow preserve if they were transplanted to an AU fanfic?

This is something Marty and I entertain ourselves with a lot actually wondering what fandom perception of Casey and nell would be… in a series bible id include things like… she’s genuinely not insecure. Like at all. Her attitude isn’t masking a tortured soul inside she’s just like that, she’s selfish and thoughtless and delusional. Her childhood was objectively difficult but she really has no complaints about the way she was raised or with her mother. She has her problems sure but they’re in other areas.. you’re looking in the wrong place! She also doesn’t really get .. sad? Often or at all? She’s more likely to feel anger than sadness. And also o feel it’s important to realize how monumentally difficult it is to form a relationship with her IF THATS SOMETHING YOU WANTED FOR SOME REASON. Literallt every relationship she has has been based on her thinking she could manipulate the other for something and then it either morphed into Ok I don’t hate seeing you even without anything to gain or morphed into attempted homicide. The illusion of free choice

20. Free Space #2: Which of your OCs would you most like to meet in person, if they could become real (or you could visit them) for a day?

Oh god. Not Casey. All my ocs are kind of annoying in some way.

Maybe Cain cuz he’s a normal polite boy. I’d ask him to show me his pop two extra arms out of his ribs trick and then id go ewwww lol and ask him to leave

[lesbianp1lled]

some lesbians who are technically goldstars (me) have grown to hate the label cause some of y'all are straight up unhinged, not because of internalized homophobia. Your discourse is irrelevant to normie lesbians. Call a lesbian woman who used a sperm donor to be pregnant and have kids with her wife a "bihet" in real life to her face and see how many surrounding people laugh at you. That is if they even know what that word means. I'm secure enough within my sexuality and my lack of attraction to men that I don't need to harass women on Tumblr dot com

Ok i’ve never harassed anyone on this site so who are you talking to?

Again I’ve never spoken about sperm donors on here so who are you talking to?

Also if you don’t like what we’re saying just don’t follow us it’s that simple. But you won’t do that will you. Because you’re a fan disguised as a hater.

[theoldlesbianwithcats]

i agree with other anon that your blog is a cosy and comforting place <3 i appreciate that you're firm without being cruel when defending lesbian boundaries. a lot of other women in the goldstar community are horrid; there's a lot of ableism and slur use that is really alienating as a disabled lesbian. i noticed your bio said late 20s until quite recently, so i wonder if your birthday was recent? if so, happy birthday <3 i hope you had a wonderful day.

Hi anon !

Thank you 😊 You're observant, I changed my bio a few hours before you sent me your ask! My birthday was in March though.

I am absolutely against the use of slurs for many reasons, but I admit that I understand how good and cathartic it can feel to be cruel at people who hurt you repeatedly while telling you to be kind. If I'm being called mean just for having boundaries and dignity, I might as well show them what it's like when I'm actually mean, so they can suffer as much as they make me suffer, right? While that's the easy, cathartic choice, it's not the right thing to do.

When you're unyielding AND kind, not only do you plant a seed of doubt in people who don't really know which side they're on, but you gain respect from people who agree with you. Most (gold star) lesbians get so guilt-tripped about how being visibly proud of ourselves is cruel and that gold stars are immature misogynists. The last thing I want is to give that impression, because it will solidify that belief in those lesbians: either you're proud and mean, or you're kind and you shut up.

In a way, it comes down to that question: what's the goal here? What's the goal of so-called "gold star discourse"? If the goal is to be mean at lesbophobes until they stop, I'm afraid it's a waste of time because they clearly outnumber us. If the goal is to make an impact, finally give lesbian a real definition and create a real lesbian community, we have to keep solid boundaries AND be kind and welcoming. I couldn't care less what lesbophobes think of me, but I don't want actual lesbians to feel worse after reading me. I want lesbians to love themselves, affirm themselves, connect with each other and thrive! And I think it is likelier to happen with a "good vibes only" kind of approach. It is brave to go against the current, so it's important to show what we can gain from it, whether it's better self-esteem or friendships :)

[mithliya]

I keep reading the gold star/bi discourse that you have here and in some other places. With some gold stars saying anyone non-gold star is actually bi in denial and comphet does not exist. And I to myself keep wondering how much it's a western problem? The thing is, in my local communities I never had seen anyone say such ideas, bc we all remember how we did grow up and it actually makes sense to women. Now, I am sure a lot of western lesbians would say, that they did grow up oppressed too and managed to be fine. But in such cases I check something like world equality index. And at this point I don't expect that person who did grow up in country rated in around top 10-20 best, to understand me who did grow up in country rated in around after 120th. I know that top countries are still not the best, but there is reason there are in the top and others are not. There is one. It means other are worse. I probably bring more discourse to your blog and sorry for that and I understand if you would not publish it. I am just tired at this point. A lot of western gold stars say they don't want to have compassion for us, and honestly it's fine by me at this point, I am just tired from reading this discourse. Probably would just be blocking from now on to save my mental health.

this debate is indeed very much a western thing. i mean there is one woman that was involved that claimed to be eastern & to have experienced basically the most insane & horrific lesbophobia possible but overall the women who feel strongly that someone’s sexual history must be indicative of their sexual orientation, no matter what their individual circumstances are, tend to be western.

honestly i just recommend to block them as u said and to not bother. i tried discussing with such ppl and at the end of the day they simply lack empathy for other lesbians and can’t wait to twist ur words and rewrite your experiences & reality for you. they aren’t reflective of lesbians nor goldstars specifically nor any other group but themselves.

edit: the one woman claiming to be eastern (goldstarsappho) was unshockingly outed as being a lying white canadian bisexual lol. shocker! so now it’s even more western