"But in TSOA, they do this-"
"But in Circe, they do that-"
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I LOVE THIS FUCKING MOVIE
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I'd watch this show.
And McKellen has a grumpy old bulldog and Stewart feeds all the neighborhood cats. And super hot grandson is suspected of being the Series 1 serial killer who keeps slipping through their and the police's grasp. SPOILERS: Of course, it's not him, but, you know, drama. Revealed to be Helen Mirren in the final episode. The Hunt for Helen Mirren is Series 2. Sometime in Series 2, super hot grandson's parents are revealed as Gillian Anderson and Johnny Lee Miller.
…no I haven't given this any thought at all.
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having a blorbo in greek mythology and epics is like the ancient world version of realizing the tv show had a different writer for the one episode your critter was wildly out of character and everyone is like "oh that's so them!" ??? did we watch the same show? helen of troy/sparta is a slut no wait she is a perfect woman no no she is a flawed human being no hold on she's a woman making her way in a man's world wait no she is the archetypal victim no wait-
not coincidentally i am reading madeline miller's the song of achilles for the first time and odysseus just showed up halfway through and odysseus'ed across the page so hard he made me fall in love with him all over again. achilles/patroclus is some foundational tragic queer romance, yeah i respect that, but odysseus. the laughing snake that tricks you into forgetting he is always ready to bite. my man
i bet he is a tricky character to write well but as long as he falls somewhere on the wile e. coyote <--> bugs bunny spectrum he is probably in character. because his character is to be tricksily varied. is he just a dude trying to get home? is he a larger than life hero? a rat bastard nobody can trust? the one male in hellas with a working brain who doesn't listen only to his dick or his overinflated ego? a wifeguy (positive)? a wifeguy (negative)? athena's special boy in this generation (telemachus and orestes wiping their noses on their blankets still)? or her latest mortal hackeysack, legs blurring in a looney tunes run between zany schemes, just a bit faster than the other doomed shmucks? all are intensely valid interpretations and go all the way back to homer 2800 years ago. incredible.
someone in the book is making fun of odysseus for bragging about how much he likes the ship, fresh from ithaca!! penelope modeled for the figurehead!!! he gets to see her while they're apart!!!! and that's why i set the book down for a minute. hgn. hdmahflshsk. odysseus sweetie pie i hope you still like it twenty years from now. the ghosts of my middle school english notes defining "dramatic irony" scream in ecstasy from the great beyond
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Y’all I feel like I’m losing my marbles. Any help is appreciated because I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF ONE SPECIFIC BOOK FOR THE LIFE OF ME! It’s a retelling of the Odyssey but it focuses on Telemachus.
(Some of the following details might be wrong in my half crazed summary, but I swear the major plot beats are there)
Does anyone remember that novel where Penelope was given a prophecy that Odysseus wouldn’t return until Telemachus started to grow a beard or something? And she would look every day and would have a blank face but Telemachus thought she was sad so he went on his journey to find information and stuff.
But - PLOT TWIST - Penelope was actually relived because in this version Odysseus is the FREAKING WORST. So Odysseus comes back and he and Telemachus totally destroy all of the suitors but after that Telemachus stands up to him and basically says “Hey dude, you suck and you have to leave now” and Odysseus is all “Nah bro, I own you” and I think they fight and idk how but Telemachus wins and Odysseus is banished or something?
I remember reading it when I was younger and liking it up to the point where I found out Odysseus was the bad guy. But now that I’m an adult and not in my mid-teens I have a greater appreciation of the hot mess of Odysseus’s morality and how he can be interpreted.
(Especially after listening to EPIC and re-assessing the Odyssey with the crew in mind. If you haven’t listened to it yet what the heck are you doing with your life)
I swear this book exists, I have it in my collection but my books are all in boxes in the middle of my parent’s basement and there is no way in the world that I am getting into them in the next two years. I spent all day googling anything I could think of and it is not coming up in any of my searches. If anyone could give me the name of it I would literally cry from the sheer relief of someone else knowing it exists AND knowing what the heck to look for online so that I can get an ebook of it.
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If Rick changed Medusa for the Roman Myth in the TV show to be more 'sensitive', then he better do the same with calling out Calypso and what SHE did to Odysseus as well.
I still like PJO even though some of the changes Riordan did aren't great and make me sad but I feel like I can still enjoy it to a degree. But I am genuinely stumped and a bit disturbed by how he decided to make Calypso a sweet, sad, lonely "good person". Sure, she's sad and lonely but she is NOT sweet. To me, she reads off as cruel to Leo but even then, why tf does he write her as a good person or someone we should be rooting for?
Her only big myth is basically in the Odyssey where she imprisons and rapes Odysseus for 7 years. In mythology, others do that too but these immortals ALSO have other myths that define them. This one myth is practically her ONLY ONE!
At night he slept beside her in the hollow cave, as he was forced to do—not of his own free will, though she was keen enough. But in the daylight hours
he’d sit down on the rocks along the beach, his heart
straining with tears and groans and sorrow, as he gazed, through his tears, over the restless sea
(Ian Johnston, Book 5)
Another translation of the same passage by E.V. Rieu
At nights, it is true, he had to sleep with her under the roof of the cavern, cold lover with an ardent dame. But the days found him sitting on the rocks or sands, torturing himself with tears and groans and heartache, and looking out with streaming eyes across the watery wilderness.
Rick, dude, how did you read the Odyssey and see her as someone to sympathize with? Plenty of lonely people are out there and they don't do what Calypso fucking did!
It kind of freaks me out that Percy was near this woman as she's over a thousand years old and he's 14 at this point. Even if it WAS for a short amount of time. And pairing her with Leo? These kids should not be anywhere NEAR her!
idk, I doubt he'll fix this in the show but I can hope :')
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