#hosie season two

[hosiesmunchkins]

Hello everyone. It’s been an awful long time since I was active here. I have to say it that even though hosie wasn’t endgame, they will always be special and important for me. They will always mean a lot to me. Hosie gave me the strength and the courage to be who I am and fight through. I miss being active here. I hope that, maybe one day I get the time to watch another show. But there’s one thing for sure, there’s gonna be no other couple like hosie at least for me.

Thank you Danielle and Kaylee.

Thank you everyone.

[fadeintoyou1993]

For this ask -

HOPE ANDREA MIKAELSON AND ELIZABETH JENNA SALTZMAN!!! The only characters to have ever character’d EVER

already did lizzie so hope <3

favorite thing about them: how much of a deeply pathetic loser she actually is like its literally so funny when people write her as someone whos like badass or like doesnt go to therapy because like that is literally not her she goes in canon to therapy every week or so or well she did in s01 but anyways lets not get into THAT lmfaooo but umm yeah so she goes to therapy weekly and she has like plants that she tries really hard to take care of and she bakes like every other day and she like watches.. wait ill conitnue this in the headcanon part so sorry

least favorite thing about them: literally nothing shes the most perfect girl thats ever existed:)

favorite line: when she said Who cares what lizzie saltzman thinks :( because like shes who :(

brOTP: hope and kaleb forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and everrrrrr :) also her and jed :) she would never fvuckinv talk to penelope park STOP trying it. and handon when not romantically. omg also halyssa altho i also ship them romantically :)

OTP: hizzie :) and handon because hope has two hands like landon said :)

nOTP: hosie literally the most disgusting fucking rotted bitch ive ever laid my eyes upon. stupid ship stupid fandom terrible fuckin vibes just rotted disgusted and gutted. i wisgh hope mikaelson had killed that girl so bad my god... hope literally gave josie the only thing that could kill her bc her ass KNOWS she not gonna see that bitch again so shes fine PLUS if she does see her she dies immediately after:)

random headcanon: ok so back to what i was saying before!!! hope like watches the randomest fucking cooking shows there are like she knows all of them and she can rank them by season and she knows so much fucking random shit and random information about the most random things and she like goes to the gym everyday and she like lowkey uses Pinterest and pins a bunch of random workout routines and art tutorials and shit like that like god shes so annoying i love her so much :)oh and shes so autistic actually

unpopular opinion: um i have so many :) i think she actually is a bottom sorry :) i dont think she can flirt either she just says things wholeheartedly because she is an autistic individual and people think shes flirting but shes just like that. she thinks shes really cool doing those one liners and stuff shes like im a hero and so i have to do my one liners :) and thats why landon and lizzie are obsessed w her because shes just like that.

song i associate with them: do you realize?? by the flaming lips

favorite picture of them: this one that she drew:)

send me a character and i'll tell you....

[ateawithoney]

my diehard ships: in descending order of how canon they are

Laszlo & Nadja: (idk their ship name lol) married and endlessly horny and in love with each other, pls don’t ever change this relationship

Vauseman: Dated in the past and their whole love affair is a huge part of the show. They part ways in the end but Piper bucks up and moves to Ohio just to be with Alex so still canon and hopefully real married when Alex gets out

Janason: Had an on and off relationship due to Jason being rebooted hundreds of times but Janet always retained feelings for him. They eventually find each other again through the course of the series and finally get to spend endless bearimies together til Jason walked through the door 😭 Still in love til the end but it’s so sweet and sad

Harlivy: Literally is canon in the comics, was heavily implied since the 90s, also implied in other assorted animated medias, kinda only noticed as “canon” recently cause of the HQS (which I love) but it’s unfortunate people wouldn’t believe me till that episode and season came out. In media where they’re not together though they were either exes or I choose to believe they have a past together :)

BBRae: Depends on the universe whether they’re together or not but for the most part they’re dating or have mutal crushes on each other. If not, I choose to ship in any universe lol

Zadison: Had a canon threesome but should’ve been properly developed more as a relationship but Ryan Murphy hates sapphics >:((

Jori: Bade was the main ship throughout the run but if they were ever to reboot it, Jori would have to be canon now. Cause as we all rewatch it, we understand it was Jori all along.

Gelphie: Similar to Jori in we all thought it was the straight ship but you rewatch it and think, wait a minute..these bitches gay. Ofc you’re wrong but in my HEAD they ran off together

Hizzie: For a hot second, I legit thought these two were gonna be canon. I know it’s Hosie forever but like after Kaylee left, the development between these two took a weird turn and Lizzie kept rejecting MG and going to Hope. Plus their already established frenemy relationship and past episode developments focused on their friendship like..why didn’t this happen?

Amedot: I thought this was gonna happen back in 2016/17 because of weird subtext we got but that was probably just wishful thinking. My thoughts on it were “I know nothing is going to happen but I think there’s a less than 1% chance for something, or at least for subtext”. But then Lapidot took over the fandom so I was wrong lol. Ofc neither ship actually became canon and Peri was revealed to be an intended aro/ace, which slowed down some shipping but not all of it ofc. Side note: the artist who “confirmed” ace/aro peri also ships amedot sooo.. I guess you’re good in that aspect? Anyways, now I do still ship it but mostly nostalgically and I think prime 2016 amedot was the best.

Cassunzel: I like this purely hypothetically but I do think they had a canon crush on each other in the show which is gone by the ending but it’s only real in my heart ❤️

Reiusa: Literally never gonna happen but I like the what if of them together in the future and co-parenting Chibiusa while still giving jabs at each other and the whole Rei cares about Usagi more than she lets on. I’m wrong but it’s nice to dream

[uncleasad]

Hosietober 2023, Day 17: Baking

Today’s prompt is baking—ah, something that’s right up my alley! As long-time readers know, I have entire series of fluffy, comfort one-shots revolving around baking and other sweet treats and the progression of the seasons, Tales from the Salvatore Kitchen:

You Complete Me

Going Bananas Without You

Hello, Pumpkin

The Secret Ingredient is Love

Two Scoops of Hosie Delight

Not as Sweet as You

You’re the Apple of My Eye

(And punny titles 😂) I don’t currently have any more episodes planned, but I have left the series incomplete, because—just like baking—I never know when the inspiration will strike!

I hope you find something you will enjoy. Bookmark and revisit whenever you need a fluffy treat. (And remember, it’s perfectly OK to leave comments and kudos on old fics or on re-reads of old favorites; authors always love to know when you’ve enjoyed something we’ve written.)

Sadly, this is probably the last prompt for Hosietober 2023 for me; I don’t have anything (finished! 😭) matching any of the remaining prompts, and I’m still stuck in that “no time to write” rut 😢 So a special thank-you to all of the good folks behind Hosietober and to everyone who’s participated by sharing their work, reading/viewing/listening to the works of the authors and artists and singers/musicians and editors and so forth, and everyone talking about and sharing the news (I’m certain we got a new fic from great Hosie author ToriWritesStories because of Hosietober chatter on that other “social media” site)! Thanks for making Hosietober my favorite season of the year ❤️

Happy Hosietober, y’all! 🎃🧙‍♀️

[laufire]

gonna take advantage of you having anon on for the time being to ask you, inspired to your response about damon. i know lizzie is your favorite of the twins and of the twins and hope, what would you want changed in order to like josie more (by which i don't mean more so than lizzie, but rather more so than as she has been written)? and then as a second point, if you want to also address it, what would you want changed in order to ship hosie, i realize there may be some overlap between those 1/2

two questions, but the first i'd really like to know, if you are willing to answer! (the second is more of an idle curiosity since if i was ranking hope femslash/non-canon ships, penelope and cleo would be my personal top two but hizzie and hosie are the big two that get all the fandom time and energy and i know your opinion on hizzie already.) thank you, i always like to hear your opinions! 2/2

To be clear, I like Josie plenty already LOL, if admittedly less than Lizzie and, sometimes, Hope; my favourites after Lizzie were never a fixed list. That might come with a rewatch. But even so, Josie didn't fall past the top 5, in a show with plenty of likeable characters.

So I'd say Josie's personality wasn't a hindrance the way Damon's is LMAO. She certainly has her flaws and I sometimes found fandom's attitude towards her irksome, but that wasn't a problem with Josie. If anything, those flaws made her MORE interesting for me than the fanon version could ever be, AND they added to the twins' messy dynamic, which was my main focus in the first place.

The way she was written vis a vis Hope was often my biggest pet peeve, because she was just so... proppy. She didn't stand equal in a Doylist level to Lizzie; it would've been obviously besides the point to expect her to stand equal to Hope, the protagonist, and I didn't necessarily want her to fare better than she actually did because Lizzie was my ultimate fave... but it obviously speaks to my reaction to the character. I, simply put, like tough propositions, and Josie ultimately wasn't one. If she'd been, my reaction would've been different from the beginning.

The reason I didn't go for Hosie (although I lowkey enjoyed some moments of it, especially in season 1) is in a sense tied to it, although not fully. Josie being weak for Hope wouldn't automatically make it impossible for me to ship it, even if Josie was my favourite (see: Steroline, for example), but the Hope-Landon-Josie triangle truly killed any affection I had for the ship. Josie was SO SO miserable, and it felt as if the majority of the fandom was in denial about it, including so-called Josie fans/Hosie shippers. It really soured it for me.

So, really, if you eliminated that triangle, it could've arguably stayed as a low-key rareship in my arsenal. if nothing more. Still: the triangle and its development was a symptom of Josie's position vis a vis Hope. It could've been replaced by a different one that STILL put me off the ship, who knows. On the other hand, triangles designed to put down one girl on the "objectivity" of male opinion ARE the bane of my existence...

ETA: I definitely still enjoyed Hosie as part of the girls' trio multifaceted dynamic, but that's another story lol, and more about the twins than about anything shippy.

[siphoncursed]

are you a hizzie shipper

i actually answered this on my old blog but i’ll paste it here for you!!

okay so i honestly think hizzie had potential in season two? it was the point where they had bonded the most and started to get along more and started to mend broken bridges. however, i do feel like canon didn’t give a lot of room for hizzie and in my personal opinion i think hosie is definitely endgame for hope! i’m definitely a big fan of both. i think shipping hizzie would have to be in an au or a better rewrite. my lizzie is divergent in certain places as well. i fully acknowledge her treatment of hope but i also maintain that lizzie’s undiagnosed bipolar disorder and her inability to contain her emotions without bursting was a huge factor in her pre-series and seasons 1-2 attitude towards other characters but particularly hope. if i were to write hizzie, it would take a lot of time for them to meet a place where they can develop feelings for each other over time because a background like theirs cannot be pushed aside for the sake of a ship. i also think lizzie would need time to work on herself because she wouldn't be able to maintain a relationship when she's still not the best at communicating or meeting in the middle. she would have to be in a healthy mental position and with medication and learning more about herself, she definitely will get there. it would take a lot of time for them to reach that point but i do believe it's possible and it's definitely a guilty pleasure of mine.

[evilpenguinrika]

Chapter 18 of my canon divergence/AU hosie fic is up! And it's gonna be the last update for 2023! (wowzers what is time if not a construct of our imagination). I've mentioned this in the end notes but figured I'd mention it here as well:

WRAID is going on a 1 (possibly 2) month hiatus because I need a freaking break :D zero spoons in me, running on nothin' but empty fuels babeeeyyy tho that doesn't mean I won't be working on WRAID at all. I'll just be quietly working on it (and many other of my fics--a curse in which past!Rika should be ashamed of) in the background during the story's hiatus as I also use the long break to do a huge mental recharge for the inevitable year of 2024!

anywho that's it!

(We're Reckless And In Danger is part of an on-going canon divergence/AU Hosie series that follows Hosie as they navigate being first-time parents and stupid mean threats trying to kill them! This fic is considered "season two", so if you wish to find out just what exactly is going on, please read So I Swear That I'll Protect It which is unofficially known as "season one"! There are also many side-stories in between SISTIPI and WRAID that you can find here if you're interested! Just adds a bit more juicy goodness to both the narrative and characters!)

[siphoncursed-2]

hizzie

okay so i honestly think hizzie had potential in season two? it was the point where they had bonded the most and started to get along more and started to mend broken bridges. however, i do feel like canon didn’t give a lot of room for hizzie and in my personal opinion i think hosie is definitely endgame! i’m definitely a big fan of both. i think shipping hizzie would have to be in an au or a better rewrite. my lizzie is divergent in certain places as well. i fully acknowledge her treatment of hope but i also maintain that lizzie’s undiagnosed bipolar disorder and her inability to contain her emotions without bursting was a huge factor in her pre-series and seasons 1-2 attitude towards other characters but particularly hope. if i were to write hizzie, it would take a lot of time for them to meet a place where they can develop feelings for each other over time because a background like theirs cannot be pushed aside for the sake of a ship. i also think lizzie would need time to work on herself because she wouldn't be able to maintain a relationship when she's still not the best at communicating or meeting in the middle. she would have to be in a healthy mental position and with medication and learning more about herself, she definitely will get there. it would take a lot of time for them to reach that point but i do believe it's possible and it's definitely a guilty pleasure of mine.

[comic-book-jawns]

On a scale of one to Josie Saltzman, how far would you go to determine if your childhood crush has feelings for you?

[hosiesmunchkins]

i haven’t watched the finale and i don’t plan to do so anytime soon. i am happy that josie was given the importance that she deserves and i got my endgame. if it’s not an endgame for anyone else. for me it is. i am not exactly happy with it, but i can make my peace with it. this account will always be reminder of a person who loved a ship boundlessly and cried…wept their heart out. thank you hosie for making me feel something.

[cillianmurphyswhore]

Since this is the last episode of season 2 for now I gotta say some things. First, the season started off really good and it was so fun and then after the mid season finale it started to decline. They killed off (I hope not for good) Clarke and have made some of the material really cringy. They had a good balance going on in season 1 and the first part of this season and then it just got too immature if that’s the right word and felt really cringy in some parts. Now with this finale Landon and Hope not waking up and the complete lack of storyline for Rafael is really sad. Also them painting Josie as being more powerful than Hope is ridiculous and annoying. I hope in season 3 they bring back Clarke, because him and hope had really good chemistry and their relationship was really interesting. Clarke and Landons relationship was fun to see also. They also need to bring back Landon because if they just kill him off like that it would be so unsatisfying and really sudden. They also need to bring a more serious tone to the show mixed with the fun factor that legacies has and stop the cringy scenes and dialogue. I like this show but after episode 9 the show really became something else. I just hope it’s not permanent, and I hope Julie will focus on what made season one and the beginning of season 2 so good and stop with the useless storylines and characters and focus on the main characters. Also I feel like hope has too many love interests. No matter who you ship I feel like some things they add are for pure fan service and they are not really building the characters relationships in the way the story makes sense. If they are gonna have hope be with Josie, Lizzie, Rafael or whoever at least have them build on their relationship and not just add scenes between these characters just for them to say and do stuff that ruins the buildup to their whole relationship. Like in the finale, if Josie and Hope had ended up kissing it would purely be fan service. There would be no satisfying build up and not to mention Hope is in a relationship and Josie sorta has a thing with someone else. If they are gonna do something like that have it be properly done and that goes for all ships. I just really hope season 3 is different..sorry this is way too long of a post but I’m a little disappointed.

[nayanuwa]

So Clarke wasn’t in the last Legacies episode at all... and ugh, I’m starting to worry that he really is dead. 

I genuinely hope that’s not the case; he’s easily the best antagonist character they’ve had by a longshot, with a complex backstory that spans a season and a half. It would be a waste of a good character to get rid of him. Especially since he says himself he doesn’t really want to be a villain, and has an entire redemption arc waiting for right moment to show up.

But, I still have hope that the Necromancer will raise him from the dead; there’s a lot of opportunity and reason to do that, so *fingers crossed*. 

[insert-baked-good-here]

Legacies:theory for s2

First off let me start by saying Legacies has straight up impressed me and imma gonna probably be there until the very end now.

So no beating around the bush.

*Spoilers*

I straight up this that Hope and this Clark guy are gonna get into one of those prison world like places(S6TVD)

And Jo and Lizzie are going to have to use the ascendant to get them back.

Just a theory...My legacies crazy brain has come up with...

[uncleasad]

We have a long tradition here in Hosiedom of great summertime Hosie fics, from works like AdeleDazeem’s summer lovin' had me a blast (wait, no, that's just the leaf-blower), @sabrinasfadingmoon’s summer rush, and ToriWritesStories’s what you got (cause I want it all), to summer camp AUs like @avengerskye’s long-paused 😢 the second summer.

Some years we were even blessed with multiple summer fics. I’ve been waiting for this year’s summer fic to show up, and it may just have arrived, summer lovin' by briq0. Only 1 chapter in so far, but the tease of Hope and Josie’s meeting is spectacular and everything I want in a summer camp fic. Go have a read and let briq0 know you’d love more.

Also, I maintain an AO3 collection, Hosie Summertime Vibes, of my favorite summer-y Hosie fics by other authors, if you’re interested in some more summer-focused works (additionally, there are two of my Tales from the Salvatore Kitchen seasonal one-shots for summer, Going Bananas Without You and Not as Sweet as You).

Here’s to great Hosie summertime reading this summer (northern hemisphere)!

[bakerolivias-archived]

Out of Hosie or Hizzie what ship do you think is the most like Klaroline?

hello, tumblr has literally deleted my answer for this ask THREE TIMES, DAMNIT (and they were kinda longish meta answers too), so fourth time’s the charm i guess? i’ll probably butcher my explanation of my answer to this question so sorry if i sound incoherent LOL, there’s just so much klarohizzie evidence. also i'm about to go off on a tangent, you awoke the beast.

content warnings for klaroline (because i know for some of my followers that’s not really your cup of tea), slightly hosie critical but not anti hosie, slightly josie critical, etc.

to me the answer is str8 up hizzie, hands down, because they parallel klaroline faaar more than hosie (minus the weird lamp stabby and tyler!klaus scene because that was a gross miscalculation on the writers’ parts, but whatevers). and it goes so much farther than the fact that lizzie is a blond and bears more Obvious resemblance to caroline in her physical traits and mannerisms - which, first of all, isn’t true, because while josie is maybe more quiet and reserved she’s equally as much caroline’s daughter (regardless of hair color) and it has been shown in canon that they both inherited some of caroline’s personality quirks and strengths, as well as her supposed “flaws.”

and i guess that, if it’s simply limited to the fact that lizzie is a blond and is caroline’s daughter and hope is the spitting image of her father, by that logic hosie would be equally as much like KC. lizzie is so goal driven and stubborn and opinionated, but also incredibly optimistic. josie seemed a bit more cynical and reserved in the first season but she really grew into herself (if we discount the rampant ableism) and became more confident and outspoken like her sister and mother - and the way these two girls share their mothers’ qualities, and how they approach/view romantic relationships similarly to caroline, is so fascinating to watch. lizzie has many insecurities about “saying the wrong thing,” (see: lizzie having no filter and telling raf “we’re all glad to know you’re single” after she finds out his gf died, lmao) and judges herself harshly for making mistakes and being, sometimes, irrational and a control freak. she thinks her romantic mishaps are because of her own flaws and in her lacking perfection. josie’s insecurities about relationships is more centered on being chosen second, not any self-loathing/ rejection based off any of her flaws, and how she’s “never the one,” whether it’s because of another potential romantic partner (see: the whole love triangle nonsense between hope/landon/josie) or because the relationship, and getting attached to her, is a risk (see: finch’s valid and reasonable but still hurtful concerns about her and josie not having a future together due to the MergeTM; josie wants finch to choose her and take the risk of all the problems and inherent baggage she comes with, for the chance at being together; she wants to be worth that kind of pain, and is open and honest about how she deserves that, and there are so many ways it parallels caroline's love interest scenes it's a crime fandom doesn't talk about it more).

so yeah, it’s been established that the twins are Very Much similar to their mother and hope also shares a lot of her father’s characteristics, but despite that hosie and hizzie are very different relationships, especially when compared to KC. hizzie is more central to the story than hosie is, and they have entire episodes, and even the whole of s4 dedicated to the development of their relationship. they are integral to each other's arcs lizzie was the one who remembered who hope was first, hope was the one who said “everything is right in the world, lizzie and i are friends again,” and i think that their relationship is far deeper and more fleshed out than hosie’s (”you have no idea how deep our history goes” - lizzie). and, imo, hizzie might be what KC could have been if they were done right and their dynamic was actually properly written, because i’m watching tvd right now and there are entire eps where KC’s dynamic isn’t explored and goes unnoticed despite their mass of potential, and it’s clear that the writers didn’t really want to develop KC as much as they wanted to focus on the boring love triangle between their main character and the salvabros but they needed to pander to a somewhat rabid KC fanbase, no offense y'all.

the difference between hosie and hizzie is that while hosie started off as slightly antagonistic, same as hizzie and KC did, they eventually became friends, however it didn’t feel like they truly got under each other’s skin the way HL did, or had a lot of animosity between them that they themselves put there to disguise their hurt the way hizzie did. hosie’s animosity and passive-aggressive behavior just kind of... disappears (and if you’re wondering how that in particular relates to KC, in TOs5, while KC were in a much better place, caroline didn’t hesitate to lecture klaus and be brutally honest about the fact that he was letting down his daughter, to adopt a "harsh" tone because that was what he needed, what he responded to, and hope and lizzie kind of interact in the same way - there are so many instances, so many eps on legacies, where lizzie and hope help each other through the emotional breakthroughs and conclusions they need to get to so they can both properly grow as individuals: see at the 80′s dance when hope tells lizzie “we don’t exist for just one fate” and lizzie in return reminds her “we don’t just exist for one boy,” which hope really needed to hear since she had become very codependent on her and landon’s relationship to an almost concerning degree; in short, HL and KC are never afraid to tell each other the difficult truths and express themselves, which HJ don’t do for each other as often, if ever). HL became friends too, like hosie, but it’s so much more complicated than HJ, which, yeah, while i do like the understated relationship where two characters gradually become friends without any whirlwind dramatics, KC had a very tumultuous relationship, similar to hizzie's, and hizzie need that kind of volatile and brutally honest dynamic because when they’re soft and compassionate, but at the same time challenge each other, they truly thrive. and even after they got past the whole “you told ppl about my episode” thing, when hope and lizzie got to know each other, she was always quick to see lizzie’s supposed flaws as strengths, to defend lizzie to others who would criticize her (”she can’t control her brain chemistry”) and she sees so much good in lizzie in the way klaus saw in caroline despite everyone writing lizzie off as being too much, too insecure and too controlling - klaus, like caroline's good love interests, doesn't see her as someone to be "put up with," or interactions as some kind of charitable action, but "enjoys" her for her strengths and flaws.

josie and hope’s relationship wasn’t even really that antagonistic at the beginning, there was no raw tension the way hizzie and KC had - they were simply acquaintances who felt alienated from each other, because hope seemed more closed off and emotionally unavailable (which is perfectly understandable since so many people in her life died). but hope and lizzie’s initial friction was far more personal, their conflict way more intense and loaded like klaroline’s, and lizzie was legitimately angry at hope for, allegedly, spreading sensitive information about lizzie’s mental illness (which was actually a deliberate lie and act of manipulation on josie’s part, but that’s a moot point lol). and even when the misunderstanding was cleared and HL became friends, hope and lizzie still get under each other’s skin, and are “frenemies” because they’re far more similar than they’d like to admit (reminding me of the scene where klaus told caroline he and her were the same). they confide in each other because they bond through shared experiences, being locked in an 80′s video game together, hiding hope’s secret from the super squad and landon, etc, and through this, as they get to know each other, they begin to see parts of themselves in the other - in the same way caroline was able to see through klaus in s3tvd, which allowed klaus and caroline to have really transparent and honest conversations that i don’t think klaus has had for quite a while, or even knew he needed.

holding on to that thought, on tvd, klaus was a paranoid and untrusting maniac who alienated his family out of his selfish grabs for power, and caroline, who is far more emotionally perceptive and intelligent than anyone (except maybe tyler) gave her credit for. she saw through klaus’s self-destructive tendencies and his loneliness that he brought on himself through problematic behavior (i get it, your father didn’t love you so you assume no one else will either... “you don’t connect with people because you don’t try to understand them.”) and i think lizzie serves that purpose for hope in the same way, because she does not hesitate to be absolutely straightforward and will call hope out on her bullshit - but in a slightly different way, refreshingly honest without being slightly aggressive like her mother was (which i don’t blame caroline for because klaus was trying to make a hybrid soldier out of tyler and rule mystic falls lol).

it’s because lizzie understands hope in a way that she hasn’t really been understood and truly seen since her parents died, that she’s also able to confide in lizzie during difficult times, because like caroline lizzie’s a good listener as well, and lizzie and caroline both put hope and klaus in a position where they’re more relatable, more comfortable and fun and youthful, and they can be comfortable and human and emotional without being such lone wolves all the time.

i’m going to need to wrap up this little rant to a close soon - honestly if you’ve gotten to this point at all it’s a miracle XD, but s4 really is the most representative of hizzie’s complicated and borderline dysfunctional dynamic and it's relation to KC. based off what i’ve seen from spoilers and gifsets and leaked scenes, i think they kind of leaned into klaroline a little bit. i mean the show is called legacies, so i think it would make sense that hope and lizzie follow a similar path as klaus and caroline and repeat the same cycle - “history repeating itself,” and all that. from what i understand of s4 since i haven’t actually gotten to see it yet, hope turns off her humanity because she killed landon, then goes on a murderous rampage similar to her dad, and lizzie wants and even make plans to kill hope (which, really, is peak klaroline lol). but the thing is hizzie repeated the events of klaroline in a different order - hope and lizzie got to know each other and become close, forming a strong bond before hope went on a grief driven murder spree and lizzie lashed out at hope in hurt and anger and grew the Red Oak tree to build a Murder Hope weapon, while KC’s relationship started evolving only after caroline was being the Bait that was intended to lead klaus to his death. but there’s still the same concept here. it’s because lizzie saw so much goodness and PerfectionTM in hope, in how kind and compassionate she was, because she and hope had feelings for each other (sirebond for the win!), and because she considers hope to be her family and has so many complicated feelings for the woman that hurt her, that she couldn’t kill her. lizzie’s putting faith in hope choosing a new path and one day being deserving of forgiveness the same way caroline put that same kind of compassion and faith in klaus because she saw goodness in a man who was a complicated monster ("i find myself wanting to forget the bad things you did, (TVD)" "i saw the goodness in klaus, (TVD)" "this [being good and selfless] is all i ever wanted for you (TO)"), and it was up to klaus and hope to show their BlondesTM that they’re worth it (which klaus did: “i happen to think you’re someone worth knowing”).

aaaand that's a wrap on what was probably a bunch of incoherent ramblings lol.

[lizzie-saltzman]

you guys (you know who you are) are the biggest hypocrites in fandom i have ever seen. it’s OKAY to not like a ship. it’s okay to think it gets in the way of what you want. i don’t ship like 90% of the couples on legacies. i don’t. and yet i still find happiness and unbiased fulfillment by a show. i don’t dedicate my life to sending hate to the writing team over fictional characters when it’s obvious it’s all hypocritical nonsense, because if finsie was hosie y’all would be eating that shit up. we got an emotional sex scene between two women on the cw and a relationship that has conflict and thrives to embrace character flaws and all you do is get mad and circle jerk your ridiculous non-arguments back and forth like circus monkeys when we’re literally just 4 episodes in and this wasn’t even supposed to be season 4. you are all embarrassing and quite frankly the reason why fandom gets a bad name. the episode was good. it was emotional, it skyrocketed new character arcs, it shifted legacies tone to the dark shit y’all wanted but now hate because of a stupid ship. you know what you all sound like? immature cry babies.