#if you see me spn spiraling no you don't

[redbelles]

SUPERNATURAL 1.02 Wendigo

[hologramcowboy]

This was JA in the beginning of this year's JIB and then last weekend:

You know how HIGHLY critical I am of him, how much I dislike many of his actions and opinions since SPN ended, and mostly how much he hurt Jared and tried to smear his reputation during his TW's promo tour with small comments that could have been taken to a bigger scale than they were - thank God that dint happen.

But on a human level, why is nobody helping this man? Are only you and me seeing how unhappy he is? Like if fans can see, why his family and friends cannot? Or if they do, why don't they interfere? It goes beyond him "getting a new face" every 6 months. Most of his acting has become soulless, the passion he seemed to have for music is gone as well. His alcohol intake - to me - works like a clutch / a tool he overuses to make things bearable. The way he has been marketing himself is so insincere, artificial and plastic. Almost like he thinks all he has to offer now is his looks.

I don't want to be alarmist, cause , then again, I am a stranger to him and my perceptions could be entirely wrong, but Its just that my empathetic side can't help to pick up on all of this and be sad for him.

This is not an ask per se, just me talking to somebody who I know cares about him beyond his physical appearance. You don't need to answer publicly or even in private if it gets to heavy for you cause I know you're a sensitive person (totally using sensitive in a good, human, healthy way here).

Also, I noticed you're been here less, I hope everything is okay with you ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

I wonder the same. I see so many posts of people drooling over pictures where Jensen looks soulless, disconnected and clearly suffering. Can they really not get over his looks just once to see the human behind them? He is spiraling more and more and not having a job seems to be detrimental to his well being. The person I judge the most in this is Danneel, she's just like those obsessed fangirls who objectify him, she seems to be highly out of touch with his emotional make-up.

It also seems Jensen has somewhat alienated his family in favor of Elta's and that worries me deeply. I hope a friend of family member will interveve since it's clear Danneel could care less. Jensen is a father so I hope he finds his balance soon because his addictions are bound to affect his relationships.

@unabashedlyinlove sending love right back! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[orionsangel86]

Hey, just wanted to tell you I am sorry you are being targeted and your words are being twisted. I don't really see what resolution does that person want? To publicly self-flagellate? What do they want to achieve? Feel free to not answer this ask obv. Just here to offer you support.

Thank you I appreciate it.

The whole thing is very frustrating and quite sad. I agree with her on the issues of fandom racism. I have never not agreed on these things. She has been attempting to twist my words and use them against me but I stand by my words. With all things there is nuance involved. There is a difference between claiming that yes, fandoms are racist and in general lean towards shipping white male characters. Yes, I do think that had Lucienne been played by a white male actor and remained Lucien as in the comic that the ship might be more popular as well.

But thats not the same as claiming that all Dreamling shippers are racist. That if you DON'T ship Morphienne you are racist. The minute you start using racism as a reason to shit on a ship you lose my respect because its no longer about a genuine concern for racism and instead becomes a game of "my ship is better than yours". The minute you start mocking Dreamling shippers and calling them "delusional" you've lost me - I have a huuuuge issue with people calling shippers delusional I was in SPN fandom for fucks sake I had 7 years of people calling me delusional and I really don't appreciate it.

I don't know what the end goal was. Whatever it was, they were going about it wrong. I desperately want more focus on other characters outside of Dreamling, anyone who follows me knows this about me. My blog is very much a mix of all Sandman content, both show and comic, and I always reblog everything I can find about the other characters to ensure that creators of fanworks devoted to other characters are getting noticed and supported by the fandom.

I have also never denied Hob's problematic side. I have never tried to excuse Hob for his crimes and have had extensive discussions about this over the past year. I am baffled that this has happened now. I think it must be a build up of frustration over the past year as Dreamling has become more and more popular and dominated online Sandman fandom and whats so annoying is that I totally understand how that could be frustrating. I feel for people who don't ship it and would rather focus on Lucienne, or Calliope, or Rose Walker, because I have seen how little content there is for them and its not always easy to just say "well go make it!" because even if you do make it, its not getting anywhere near the amount of attention as a similar fanwork for Dreamling or Hob would get. But that's no excuse to resort to hateful rhetoric. That's no excuse to start pointedly claiming racism because you don't like how popular a ship is.

In the end I did block her. She basically told me too. I think if I didn't the conversation would have kept going round and round in circles. I don't like it though. I'm hoping that in time we can put this behind us and engage in civil discussions again, but it just all became petty with the flashing of receipts like "gotcha's" and racism accusations of anyone who hinted at disagreement.

I want this fandom to be a safe space for poc, and I want us to be able to discuss the racism inherent in fandom spaces without spiralling into shipping wars, and I will always be happy to engage with anyone who wants to discuss these issues and how we can tackle them appropriately. For the time being though, I'm gonna go pour all this energy into my Lucienne x Gault meta. Hopefully something good can come of this in the end.

[curioussubjects]

Ok so I have some spnwin-spn connection spec I wanna share with y'all from back when @alwaysanoriginal were spiraling over some interview about The Winchesters (as we do). The second to last question is about John's journal being created, which of course made me think of plot hole vampmimes. Of course.

Or maybe not so plothole-y?

That was mostly a joke, though I did hope tonight was going to maybe for the lolz address that. Well, little did I know because that old convo continued with this:

DOES THIS REMIND YOU OF ANYTHING YOU WATCHED TONIGHT

DOES IT

Char, then, decided to come for me in the night and point out that the Running on Empty montage in 19 has some pretty choice scenes featuring Changing Channels, Wayward Sisters and the AU rift, Dean time traveling, and The Heroes' Journey (which I always argued was essentially the intended finale metaphorically).

Side note: sorry to expose y'all to my private ravings lol

A lot of this actually comes back to a point Billie made in s15 about Chuck building reality with himself at the center to keep it ticking. So how can you possibly beat him? By letting him think he won. I can't help but remember that delightful line from Dean in s12: "‘Cause we’re not trapped out here with you. You’re trapped out here with us." You know, that one time Dean and Sam pulled a death gambit to escape a black ops site.

But back to The Winchesters: last week we had Carlos refusing to play Loki's game (a god who can affect reality, or one's perception thereof) and winning. But to do so, he had to put his life on the line. He had to be willing to lose everything. By the way, I am once again feeling very emotional about Carlos saying he sacrificed everything for hunting, but he gained so much more because that's it! That's the thing! So yeah...cue Carlos singing Hard Times Come Again No More to his family.

This week John is the one with the seemingly inescapable fate of death (courtesy of vampires because of course), and while he doesn't tap out of the game, he realizes he knows nothing about the context of what he saw. He only got half the story, and the rest was up to him. It's appropriate, too, that this week we get another Supernatural classic with Mary reassuring John that they will find another way. And yeah, John does and wins.

And, I mean, if we're talking fate and god and gambles, why not remember a nifty piece of advice Sam and Dean received from Fortuna in The Gamblers: “Don’t play his game. Make him play yours.”

My point is if we look at 19 and 20 much like we would a vision from an amulet, none of the plot of Supernatural needs to change. It's fated. But as Millie says, and John says, and Dean say: fate is what you make it. And if The Winchesters is about how Sam and Dean became the Winchesters, then what else is this show but the context we've been missing all along.

(send this man to stan jail tbh)

[also what is more Winchester stupid than the cosmic consequences of saving your family...like...say...releasing the Darkness or...causing an Akrida infestation...though who knows that could've been on purpose for reasons. I'm putting nothing past spnwin.]

Don't ask me how Dean goes from pulling a death gambit to get into heaven to time travelling to tweak with his parents' past. We're through the looking glass here people and we'll simply have to wait and see -- but the puzzle is for sure getting less mysterious. Something free will, knowledge, family, and Growth, something. Therapy. You know, The Winchesters.

Or I'm totally off the mark and I'll have egg for face who's to say, but for now, as a treat, I'm feeling very

[snailsandpuppy-dogtails]

I wanna talk about the dangerous language that spreads like wildfire every time a character not immediately introduced as queer lets on they're in a same sex couple or comes out on a show. Yeah, this is on my mind because of Tara Lewis. People need to stop using stereotypes as punchlines and "evidence." The only thing that should be said after someone shares that part of their life should be "cool" or "nice" or "awesome" not I knew because you cut off your hair and do this typically masculine thing ha ha ha. Those are gendered stereotypes. Gendered stereotypes are rooted in sexism and misogyny. As in "that's so feminine of you, masculine archetype, you must be gay." And don't even start with stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. Would you say that if it were about race or sex? No? Good. Don't do it about sexuality. Ever met someone who said, "He's gay, he's so gay, just look at how he walks, talks, holds his hands" ? Yeah. Me too. And it's fucked up. Stereotypes are not helpful, they diminish and they demean, and they're meant to put this physical label on people so we can shove them into boxes for our own comfort. What happens when people don't fit into how society has categorized what that Type should look like, sound like, and what hobbies they should have? What happens when it's so fucking "common" (because people keep saying it is) but they just don't see themselves that way/ aren't interested in that/ don't like that style? It adds to the confusion for people working out who they are. By consistently, jokingly or seriously, perpetuating and spreading gendered stereotypes about queer characters we do damage to the community at large, and to people individually. They're queer because they work on cars or they're queer because they like to wear dresses is not helpful or supportive it's reductive. Often times these are things that also get said to kids in ways meant to mock them and other them and hurt them by peers. I could go on and on about this but it would just spiral as it's already started to circle. So, spn, cm, adventure time, everyone. Let's just be happy for queer characters and queer relationships, not speculate on who knew what how or why unless it's "they showed us or told us."

[themauvesoul]

Sorry I don't know the history/baggage with that user wrt to spn incest shipping, but what they're saying about succession felt true to me? To me it in no way read as "I ship this" and more read as, there ARE themes and mentions of incest within succession, and when analyzing the show from different angles and digging into characters like Roman those themes are going to come up, and talking around them and acting like they're not there I think is kind of silly? It is a gross messy part of the character but like... all of the characters on that show have their gross and messy elements.

Sure I’ll swallow that hook I’ll nibble on that bait. The context for the post ur referring to is that. Spntumblr is periodically embroiled in incest discourse. Somebody will comment on an incest fic posted to ao3, or refuse to go thru their entire follower list and block anyone that posts incest, or make a post about how the incest themes in spn are kind of unavoidable and pretending that they are does a disservice to csa and incest survivors. And ppl will see these extremely minor and inconsequential things and make call out posts about it. Which in turn inevitably spirals into a messy public smear campaign where the callout-ee is forced to air their private trauma to get an angry crowd off their back, and the people making the callouts make a halfassed apology and face no other consequences. Like clockwork this happens.

And like. Three fucking guesses which side of the trench the user in question is always found on. In the latest shitstorm they were happily supporting a callout targeting a friend of mine that made a post nearly IDENTICAL to what the user in question posted about succession, minus all the virtue signaling (which. Imho. Is why my friend was targeted in the first place).

So. I am not accusing them of shipping incest. I’m accusing them of being the worst sort of hypocrite; the sort of person who will happily kick someone while they’re already down, or join in a callout campaign for someone who did NOTHING to deserve it, but then turns around and posts the exact same shit they’re canceling other people for. Like if you want to play in the succ incest sandbox literally whatever. I do not give a shit. But this sort of behavior? Where you decry something with one half of your mouth and defend YOUR right to do that very same thing with the other??? That shit is inexcusable.

[vaicomcas]

So the whole slaying of first borns in Egypt reference in season 8 sent me down a spiral.

I had no idea about the whole plauges of Egypt.

But it made me wonder about Godstiel.

Like Cas wanted to make things better, right?

He asked for obedience. And killed who ever refused.

For him disobedience leads to punishment, he both saw it over years with humans and experienced it himself several times.

Also I think it was because he wanted to return the should once he was done fixing things.

It makes sense doesn’t it?

They stopped the apocalypse from happening once but it was stared again. But if there was no one who wished to restart the apocalypse then his efforts would prove to be permanent. Because if he hadn't killed they could always have acted again after he gave up the powers.

All of Castiel’s actions in that period are completely justified, and like didn't do anything new or unseen either, God punishing people has been going on since forever, right?

Of course, there is leviathan influencing him and them taking over completely, which I feel was a huge thing too

Yes, I agree. I don't know if you have seen my eight point post "Justice for Godstiel" that argued some of the same points.

I will add one more point. At the time, Season 6/7, nobody knew yet that the real God of SPN universe was evil. All we knew was, God left that universe (of course it was possible he was just not making his presence known; but as far as the angels knew within the show, God left). So Castiel saw that the universe needed a God to right wrongs, so he stepped in. Furthermore, he saw how God's design was full of injustices-- (recurrent apocalypse being only one) and decided to be the better God. See this interchange in 7x01:

DEATH: Stupid little soldier you are. CASTIEL: Why? Because I dared open a door that he shut? Where is he? I did a service, taking his place. DEATH: Service? Settling petty vendettas? CASTIEL: No. I'm cleaning up one mess after another -- selflessly. DEATH: Quite the humanitarian. ... DEATH: Really bought his own press, this one. Please, Cas. I know God, and you, sir, are no God.

Now, at the time in the show, this was designed to demonstrate that he has "gone off the deep end of deep end". That he was drunk on ego for thinking he could be God or even better than God. Using Death's voice, this was the show's judgment and incrimination of Castiel.

But they were wrong! So wrong! Eight years later it was found out that God was "Chuck" and was evil and petty all along! Castiel saw the "messes" God made and strived to undo them! Deciding to be better than God when God is evil is the sign of a visionary and hero!

I've posted about this AU before but I think it makes more and more sense now. The rest of the show, Seasons 7-15, was just the SPN God punishing Castiel for having seen through his evil and tried to stop him, when nobody else even dreamed of it.

Thanks for sending this ask, sorry for the late reply, I was on a trip and didn't have access.

[mlobsters]

supernatural s9e11 first born (w. robbie thompson)

this reminds me a bit of teen wolf in the plot overload disorder. i don't think i even bothered mentioning abaddon last episode. too much shit going on! also makes me laugh that we're in the 1800s, teen wolf also had this very weird (not good) flashback for the history of the argents (in the 1700s) 😂

all right, i know it's cain here, but i don't know anything really beyond that. except the mark at some point.

CROWLEY So...is that boudoir smile for me?

crowley's back in his sweet spot of evil but also maybe helpful but also probably trying to fuck you over. much better than just flat evil

CROWLEY I've been chasing that blade for decades. The closest I got to it was when one of my droogs -- Smitty -- got wind of a protégé demon of Abaddon's who claimed knowledge of the blade. Sadly, before Smitty could nab the guy, a hunter by the name of John Winchester nabbed the protégé. I'm here to see if there's anything in the John Winchester memorial library that might lead us to the first blade -- to killing Abaddon. DEAN You want to hunt? With me? CROWLEY I do love a good buddy comedy.

i know people talk up how crowley feels about dean but to me crowley is just horny for literally everyone and/or no one. sheppard is just so charismatic in this part

why is this so cute!

laughed out loud, good one. i'm the BEST liar, i totally fucked you both over, don't you remember??? don't besmirch my lying abilities, bro

i thought being totally sober would make me less loquacious but sadly, no ;(

CROWLEY Is all this really necessary? I mean, I've been inside your brother. We're practically family. DEAN Listen to me. We are the furthest thing from family. You got that, dickbag?

while dean does like to adopt every stray he comes across, the king of hell apparently doesn't qualify 😩

cas seemed disappointed about the lack of an actual guinea pig. understandable

sam barely keeping it together haha

hello sarah connor 🔥

CROWLEY I can help. Dean? DEAN He wants Abaddon as dead as I do. TARA If your daddy could see you now.

stop the doom spiral of guilt, dean. it's complicated, okay??? and shooting the floor in her own shop to break the devil's trap, what the actual fuck 😂

CROWLEY Would you care to join us? TARA Him? Anytime. You? Never.

hot lady who banged his dad, of course she wants to jump dean too. reminds me of this

s7e19 of grave importance

SAM Annie's not usually this late, is she? DEAN No, never. She's totally compulsive. I'll try her cell. SAM You know, uh, you know she and Bobby had a thing, right? DEAN Yeah. Yeah, I knew that. Really? SAM Yeah. Kind of a foxhole thing – very Hemingway. DEAN Huh. She and I kind of went Hemingway this one time, too. SAM All right, well... that happens. DEAN What, you too? SAM Look, it was a while back. We ended up on the same case. She was stressed. I-I-I... I didn't... have a soul. DEAN That's a lot of foxholes.

what a pretty face! i don't know much religious lore but i wasn't expecting cain to be scary for crowley. i have no idea where he lands in the food chain, in fact

DEAN Why don't you just zap out of here? CROWLEY I'd never leave my domestic partner in crime. DEAN [snorts] Yeah, like your heart grew three sizes. You can't zap out of here, can you?

i wonder if crowley could make it an entire day without flirting with anyone

CASTIEL Sam, the trials. You chose not to go through with them for a reason, didn't you? You chose to live rather than to sacrifice yourself. You and Dean... You chose each other. SAM Yeah, I did. We did. And then... Dean made a choice for me.

😔

how does finding gadreel fix things?

cain became a demon, okay (aha things are clicking that i know from fic lol). so with the whole dean and sam are descended from cain and abel, does that mean cain is grandpa? uncle?

CASTIEL No. Why must the Winchesters run toward death?

good question, cas

sometimes i wonder how things are lit (in all media, not just spn), if they're trying to give the appearance of someone being on the verge of tears. when you got that highlight near your lower eyelid, it really looks like it regardless of actual tears accumulating. anyway,

SAM My life's not worth any more than anyone else's -- not yours or Dean's...or Kevin's. Please. Please, help me do one thing right. Keep going.

oh, sam.

@shinelikethunder linked this fight scene with rhianna's s&m over it, i may not be feeling the vibes op is talking about but i can appreciate it nonetheless :) it's a really good fight scene for jackles and great song choice. i'm always mourning the spn that could have been with better music 😔

looking to see if there was a clean version on spotify of s&m out of curiosity and laughing that there's a kids version of the "sex in the air, i don't care i love the smell of it, sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and whips excite me" song

DEAN Right. Yeah, except I didn't kill my brother. CAIN You saved yours. Why? DEAN Because you never give up on family -- ever. CAIN Where's your brother now, then?

ouch.

also, cain is retired, other demons didn't know where he was, but apparently he still gets the hot gossip on the winchesters somehow.

CASTIEL Sam, I want Gadreel to pay as much as you do. But nothing is worth losing you.

oh i see

ah fucking hell speaking of music, this melody is back. what did i associate it with last time. twilight and something. i think when dean was praying in his room to cas. it's at the very end of this post, i included video of it - s8e16

something about this mushy music has me feeling twilight or hunger games and i'm not sure which. ugh. bella's lullaby / rue's music (but that doesn't even have piano but it does have that plucked acoustic guitar like day before yesterday's s8e14 princess bride-esque music)

and apparently it really was time for sam and cas quality time. but anyway this melody is so familiar, kicks in when cas says the thing about him screwing up more than sam. is it a slowed down version of some spn theme? urgh. question may go unanswered until i rewatch from the beginning.

so anyway, that was a nice moment. i like how robbie is writing cas this episode

DEAN The jawbone of an animal. The jawbone you used to kill Abel because he was God's favorite. CAIN Abel wasn't talking to God. He was talking to Lucifer. Lucifer was gonna make my brother into his pet. I couldn't bear to watch him be corrupted, so I offered a deal -- Abel's soul in heaven for my soul in hell. Lucifer accepted... As long as I was the one who sent Abel to heaven. So, I killed him. Became a soldier of Hell -- a knight.

listen i don't know these stories except for very broad strokes but okaaaay interesting twist

ABADDON We could have been forever, but you chose her. Well, if I can't have you, then neither can she.

i see. ex and you're her... creator? complicated

welp. i didn't know dean was getting the mark in this episode, wheels are in motion

aw. sweet sammy

CASTIEL As far as I'm concerned, Metatron is the key to fixing everything that's wrong. I'm gonna find him. You know, Sam, we could use all the help we could get to find Gadreel and Metatron.

--

CROWLEY You don't mean that. We're having too much fun. Listen up. Even with the Blade, we're gonna need all the help we can get against Abaddon. DEAN Go find the Blade. CROWLEY It's always something with you boys, isn't it?

cute. but yes, show sure likes to do it!

i'm sure it's fine

[castielscarma]

So I finally watched the first episode of the Winchesters

And I liked it. I liked it a lot.

I haven't been on here much nor on Twitter in forever because of reasons (writing do I even know her) so I haven't really been spoiled on... anything lol besides the insane notion that Jensen got rights and wanted to do a prequel like two seconds after the finale ended, so when I finally decided to watch it... I liked it. I wasn't really that surprised that I would like it... Jensen is in the seat and he loves Dean so much, and with Robbie being involved. I had more hope than doubt.

How I missed Dean's voice when I heard his narration. He will never leave me and it was so thrilling to hear it in a "new" context. Dean's never looked better. Meg, I already love her as Mary. She definitely captured Mary's spunk. And I love how Mary is just spilling things lol to John after they meet in the cemetery. A nice contrast to how Dean and Sam didn't. I like how they make John nuanced (I mean he is and although I really don't like John as a character at all in Spn) he is just that. I don't doubt that he thinks he loves his children but he has got serious issues and was abusive. You can still claim to love your children and hurt them. And 90% of Spn was related to daddy issues ; ) But it's refreshing to see a nice side to John, a more softer and vulnerable side. Ofc he has been affected by his time in Vietnam but he is still young and hopeful.

John as they enter the MoL crypt: Paranormal freemasons. xD Sure are, John.

All the references to Dean and Supernatural <3 just makes my heart happy.

As they are sitting in the car and John has a flashback to Vietnam and watching his friend die. "No ghosts in the car", Mary says yet John is haunted by the ghosts of his past. And isn't that a thread that will keep being interwoven in the trauma tapestry that will be Dean and Sam's life. Lmao, I dk who Carlos is but I love him. He just showed up and killed it xD I was captivated as soon as he entered the screen. And he's bi! Bless.

When John asks what she wants to do with her life. Mary: Idk, I just wanna live long enough to find out. Ouch.

John's mom wanted to protect him and do anything for him when he was born and said to John one day when you have kids you'll understand. Already there is so much about missing fathers, John wondering where his dad is, and Mary thinking about Samuel and children searching for answers. Saving people hunting things.... Things are the same, things are the same, repeated and cyclical but not. A spiral that expands. I also hope that the imagery of Dean writing in the journal and narrating this story (in a sense his story) has wider implications. As a Chuck won truther and Heaven denier I really hope so. But time will tell. Onwards to episode 2!

[incarnateirony]

Trying to sit here thinking of how my antis are negotiating events in their head to run from the truth right now. Spiral narrative. Tarot. Alchemy. The One. The Path of One. 13 tracks put together in a surprise order. Radio interference. Ticks and leeches. Queen bee. Art of Dying. Reflections. Rocky. The ego. Context. Traxxverse. Find the Queen. Magic Sex Chicken. All of it.

Like. OK. let's say they disbelieve origin stories. ok but what does that leave them as an option. am I just. So closely resonant to their brainwaves and thoughtforms and so good at this show that I knew all this shit in advance by a year or in some cases years?

Because like. even if I was lying about origins, I still have.... [points at all of the above]. So that still means I'm "speculating" correctly long before anything was ever released. Meaning my brain would be sharing the same story braincells as these authors.

So where, oh where, do they see an escape hatch where if they scream at me they can scream it away? Worst case in their own minds I've vibrated into the supernatural dimension to become a psychic attached to Robbie's mental basket. Or, realistically, I've been telling the truth the whole time.

Guys. The end is coming whether you like it or not. I told you LONG BEFORE my fellow worker bee did: Nothing can stop what's coming. Stand down, go home, and enjoy whatever life you have left. That's only a threat if you fear what's coming. And if you fear it, it's over, you lost, go home.

genuinely funny that for all of 2po's itk posing he's about to get blindsided. SPN ripping off the bandaid needed to flush the fandom liars, projection machines, conmen and more out. The authors are over your bullshit, guys. 100%. Direct. Like that context shit? 2po and those like him better take that as @ them personally, because this is in fact personal. They can't tell you that, but I can. You've attacked and fought them for years, and now, this is revenge. And some of us were more than happy to help.

Goodbye, you lying sons of bitches, you extortionists, doxxers, career liars and grifters. Goodbye, you agenda'ed bastards that think you can warp the truth however you want. Goodbye. It's time for a new empire. Long Live The GenderBending Queen.

(update he tweeted shortly after the post)

A terminal fandom disease, a plague, the lot of you. We're ripping out the rot at the root. We're opening that gay door. And you're going to cope. imagine if the fandom was as selfish seasons 10-13 for the Wayward fan pitch. Which antis like 2po also hide that Berens picked up AS a fan pitch, and nobody wailed about credits.

I don't find it a coincidence that the people that grift thousands out of fandom are obsessed with credits as proof. Well, yeah. People who believe in nothing but themselves and their material gain can't comprehend doing what's right for free simply because it is right.

Some of us actually stand for something. Believe in something. And fight for what we want instead of complaining all day. Even if it takes years. Even if it takes falling down again and again. There's a reason it's a representation battle, not a representation parkwalk, and that doesn't work if every man tries to be an island for himself. Sometimes, life is complicated, and sometimes, you Just Help whether you get benefit for it. Because it was what was the right thing to do. Because you knew the Truth. Because you listened.

You guys may understand the concept some day.

The real truth you missed is that for the last several years 2po was trying to argue with me and deny real things that came true, he was basically arguing with those same authors, because some of us don't just suddenly care when convenient. Some of us fight for years without looking for attention like the scripthunt members do.

And 2po is so set on his bad biases he convinced himself he got access, rather than for example wigglebox bitching and moaning her entire time in POLOL about never getting access, and his weird spies that fled when I nailed down 2po's doxxing attack all only having base permissions like lmfao bro. Perspective. You are years behind and clueless. The sooner you accept that the sooner you're going to understand what's happening. You didn't HAVE the context to understand the double-S tweet of Berens intentional mispellings being a silly slapfight with Meg Fitz over her giant bees and the fact that she spells Cas with two S'es, that even if they aren't credited they're all idea sharing still. And you'd know it's meg if you knew meg's interests.

Deep down even wigglebox knows that I used to prioritize speaking with the authors. She did not have access to the results, and I think she only possibly saw the one voice message from Bobo if she saw any at all, but she has to be aware that I chose a different path than they did and the potential that pass opened. She just does not want to look into that opening. Because she chose the wrong path. And it's everybody in script hunt

Amazing the things that can be done if you spend your time and years treating creatives like human beings rather than robots to abuse for demands, project intention at, or try to treat like a direct info spout. You want to know the reason you guys can't get info for crap? Every single one of you sounds like a desperate fan when you try to talk to them instead of appreciating their own work or interests. That's why you guys lost. You never wanted to listen. And that's the plot.

I do not envy the trap he's made for himself and his followers. It quite literally makes them the villains of the fandom story. And he's successfully manipulated people against the truth and the creatives for years, and now they have no choice but to deny deny deny deny until the bitter end or accept the truth I've told them for years. And it's that you guys are the problem. And you need to either grow up and accept the truth or go away and find a show you actually not just enjoy, but understand.

Wouldn't it be funny if this Cult Spiral Narrative and my Cult Mythos Alchemy Bible and Cult Cas As The Goddess shit were actually already circulating the author room by the end of season 14? Like right before Bobo wrote the confession I knew about. The year he asked for me at SDCC. Yeah. That'd be really funny. You know, the things 2po harassed us underground for while we. like. talked to writers about it.

Because he doesn't want the truth. And he's always been a leader of a cult of lies projecting his sins, ideas and fears at everyone else, telling people not to look at the truth and to only listen to his perspective and telling, and boy oh boy does this plot have surprises for him.

You'd think by now he'd give up denying the obvious of what's happening both in the plot in the metanarrative, but no. He's pinned his entire fandom conman career on his current angle and if he concedes then everyone he's been exploiting thousands out of instantly drops his ass. Congratulations dude, you played yourself. Good luck hope nobody sues you off the planet.

[wigglebox]

How do you, as a lesbian, deal with the feeling of... I don't know, conformance? To heteronormativity when engaging with stuff like the Jensen thirst traps? I ask because I feel like I'm kinda your opposite at the moment and I'm wondering if you had any thoughts on the matter.

I'm not an “out and proud” kinda guy but also don't go out of my way to live dishonestly (lying by omission basically because coming out is scary). I've been into spn forever and have pics of Cas as my wallpaper, posters etc hanging in my house so it was always kind of a “well if you don't know I'm gay that's on you”. Which works if your favourite media thing has a really bad track record with women.

But recently I've also been getting into a K-pop girl group and would love to put up some of their posters as well. Except, I can't help but think that everyone is just going to go “lol first celebrity crush huh?” I know it doesn't matter and I shouldn't be so bent out of shape about assumptions I'm too afraid to correct anyway but... Ugh. I just don't like people misinterpreting the love I have for something as something else? I'm really secure in my identity and I know that my feelings for women are just not the same as my feelings for men but short of writing “I love these women like my besties because I am a raging homosexual” on top of every mention of them it feels inevitable that people just ... Don't pick up on that.

I just wish I could say stuff like “she's so pretty” and “he's so pretty” and not have societal expectations autofill the intent the wrong way around.

hiii~~

so whenever there's a cute or hot thing that comes out about jackles, i say things like 'oh man, i forgot I'm a lesbian' facetiously and indeed I'm not crossing my legs and clenching when i see a photo of him because i am not sexually attracted to men. his thirst traps actually do nothing for me xD but he's very attractive and i like how he talks and walks and his public persona.

has this happened before to you?

i think anxiety can sometimes throw the 'what if' situations out in our head and it can freeze us and make us not want to act but

it's hard because i think that women may have it a little easier. i had posters up all around my room especially in college of these shows that i liked with all these male protagonists and no one dinged my sexuality over it. though i guess, at the time, i considered myself bisexual bc i was afraid to call myself a lesbian [that's just a loaded story wkejfawklj]

regardless -- i feel you on this one, i too wish people would just accept that you can be a fan of someone or something without wanting to bone the person.

what you laid out sounds more like your anxiety and worry throwing out 'what if' scenarios you just don't want to deal with but those can make us freeze and start to spiral so

i'd hang up the poster. other gay men hang up posters or pictures of Cher or Dolly Parton or some other iconic woman or woman performer like actors and singers, some go so far as to impersonate them in drag performances, and no one thinks they want to fuck those women. And it's not even always older performers too. I don't think people think gay men wanna fuck Lady Gaga or have a crush on her.

shouldn't be any different here. and if someone thinks otherwise, you'll know what to do in the moment. trust your brain to know what to do. sadly it's something that's always a possibility but it's not a guarantee someone will make disparaging comments. but if you have to white-knuckle your way through it, it's shitty but it happens.

but hang up the poster

don't let that heteronormative what if situation freeze you from living a life you wanna live and supporting the celebs and performers you wanna support!

[redbelles]

If the mirror is the source, I say we find it and smash it.

SUPERNATURAL 1.05 Bloody Mary

[dotthings]

Homophobic dog whistles, spn twitter standom? Really? Can't say I'm surprised or shocked. But when I said the discourse about Destiel on stan twitter is broken. It is really really broken.

Destiel fandom by and large is better off on tumblr and has been for a long time. There's a history to this. So I feel like it's fitting that tumblr is still the more satisfying, manageable, kinder space to be in as a Destiel shipper and specifically, right now, as a Destiel shipper who loves and supports Jensen. It's not that there's never broken discourse here or posts I don't agree with. I block anybody outright hateful. But the nuanced takes here on Destiel and about Jensen are really good to see and such a contrast to how badly stan twitter mangles everything.

I'm aware I'm not the only Destiel shipper who took one look at the drama on twitter and went NOPE and stepped away.

And the harm comes from both sides. A lot of the invalidation is coming from the permabitter corners of Destiel lane. While the anti-Destiel hatred or passive aggressive shaming, blaming, dog-whistling, and silencing tactics continue. But I think the permabitter destiel accounts are as much a factor making Destiel shippers feel unsafe and unwelcome on stan twitter as much as the anti-Destiel side. On top of that, the hatred towards Jensen. Again, from accounts on both sides, with permabitter hellers openly hating on him, and on the anti-Destiel side, Jensen being used. He is used even by his own base who preaches respect Jensen then doesn't actually listen to his words because they want him to be their anti-Destiel king, he is used by brosonlies who turned on him and have been saying horrible things about him, then flip around and praise him if they perceive him to be shutting down Destiel shippers. Which, btw, he didn't. And I'm sorry to any Destiel shippers hurt by what he said. But this wasn't a shutdown and I'm also sorry Destiel shippers think it is, or that he tried to impose his views onto us. He did not.

The invalidation isn't coming from Jensen. It's coming from anti-destiels and it's coming from bitter hellers. I don't know how bitter hellers can, without even blinking, rail against Jensen, then turn around and make a bunch of invalidating statements themselves, even demanding silence from Destiel shippers who disagree with them.

Who is doing the shutdowns here? Take a look in the mirror.

You don't tell me how to feel about Jensen and you don't tell me how to see Destiel. You also might want to get a clue how it looks when you hassle other Destiel shippers on twitter dot com, who are not part of your invalidation and permabitter spiral, where you push your negativity and your invalidation and your denials right at other Destiel shippers. And it's all designed to alienate and create a hostile shaming environment towards other Destiel shippers.

[hauntedpearl]

Regarding your last ask. Turning your anger against random spn bloggers is really not changing the system IMO. There needs to be an open conversation about racism in this fandom, but nothing is gonna change if you alienate everyone who is willing to listen to your righful anger by harassing and guilt tripping them. The We vs. Them mentality is not helping the cause at all.

okay. see..now i feel like you're misinterpreting what I said in that post.

let me reiterate so it's clear: people of colour don't owe white people their forgiveness. we don't owe them our time of the day. we don't owe them any kind of accommodation.

we should definitely be compassionate, because that's something all people should be, but that is not something that should come at the cost of our discomfort or pain.

and in most cases, when we call people out, it is because we're hurt. anger isn't without hurt. that much, you should know.

i do agree that things can spiral very fast and it becomes an us v/s them thing, but, AGAIN, the reason we have to seek other poc and band together IS BECAUSE OF WHITE PEOPLE. LIKE.

the onus of making this situation easier to deal with is 100% on all the white people in the fandom.

i mean, sure, poc could stand to be a little more "easygoing" or less "reactionary" but think critically for one second. why do you think we are like that?? why do you think we get tired so easily!? why do you think we lash out, are so quick to anger??

look around you, man.

I'm used to this kind of conversation and i do it willingly, so my tolerance for white bullshit is very high. which is not and should not be the norm!! there should not be any white bullshit to start with!!! that was the point of the post!

don't say that poc are alienating you. maybe understand that they're lashing out for a reason and try and not take it personally. do better. and if you find yourself wanting to stop this situation from spiralling, and also feel like you have a good grasp of the situation, insert yourself into it and moderate the conversation you are asking for. like. take responsibility. don't get mad at kids on the internet who are tired of seeing people like them get shit on in every imaginable way every time they go online.

like..please don't let that be the takeaway from my post.

i do understand where your frustration is coming from because i also experience it all the time. and the mudslinging is. like. oof. exhausting. but we gain nothing from turning on poc. we gain absolutely nothing!!! yes, there needs to be an open conversation, but i think maybe, there also needs to be a lot of private acknowledgement of problems and conversations at the same time. like if you feel like you cant approach poc, approach the white person you think can help you best. that's all. like. idk how else to say this, but don't blame the righteous anger. definitely not when it comes to this particular situation.

(also there's an intersection to. like. the social media attitude towards what's moral and what's not and that's a whole can of worms i don't wanna touch and that contributes to what you're talking about too but again!!! we need to work on those things but we can't be mad at poc anger that's just not it)

[quietwingsinthesky]

for the character opinion bingo, michael? :))

Michael my beloved <3 I am required by law to like him because I, too, am an eldest child.

Wasted Potential and Done Dirty by the Creators: i cannot tell you. how excited i was when Michael came back. (and adam too! but this isn't about adam. except it kind of is (see below)) It's such a promising return! Michael comes back from hell better adjusted than he went in? who the fuck does that? that's not how hell works, sir. And yet, getting stuck in the Cage for who knows how long opens him up to being like 'yeah, maybe my dad does suck, maybe i should run away with this human'. Like?? The potential there to both go 'oh christ I did that to my little brother, I trapped him in there and I know what that's like now' and also 'I understand why Gabriel ran away and I want to as well'? To realize that he left Raphael alone and everything spiraled out of control without him there and have to grapple with that both kind of being his fault but also Heaven never should have been either of their responsibility in the first place??? WE WERE ROBBED OF HIM AND JACK DISCUSSING LUCIFER AND HOW MICHAEL MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE TO COMPARE JACK TO LUCI AND MEAN IT IN A GOOD WAY, A 'you remind me of Lucifer, but him from before everything went to shit' MOMENT AND-

but no. we don't get to have fun things on spn.

They Work Better as Part of a Dynamic: in s5 it's his whole Thing with lucifer. later, it's him and Adam. Michael just works really well when he's got some kind of mirror to reflect off of, I guess. Even thinking about him in Heaven before the Apocalypse starts, to me at least, I'm thinking about him, but mostly him in relation to Raphael and how everything effects their dynamic. it might also be because there's little enough characterization of Michael that putting him with another character gives me wiggle room to explore him more? idk.

What's Wrong With Them (Affectionate): michael. babe. go to therapy. plz.

Constantly Listening to Songs and Mentally Holding Them Up Like a Paint Swatch: this is going to sound so weird and specific but. From Now On, yes, the song from the movie about the circus man. Every time that comes up in my playlist I just. Like fuck man. "These eyes will not be blinded by the lights" but the lights are literally his dad and the play Michael has dutifully performed and. look, i'm allowed to have my self-indulgent brain animatic of Michael getting out of the Cage, realizing how fucked everything is, and choosing to revive his siblings and bring them all home and then they can kick their dad's ass together. That's my secret good SPN in my head.

[angelwithaslushiemaker]

Nine people you'd like to get to know better: tag game

Was tagged by @kristsingto

3 ships

Kongpob and Arthit from Sotus/SotusS, Kyo and Tohru from Fruits Basket, Dean and Cas from SPN. What I call my heart ships, well the big 3 of them. They dug their way in and ain't ever moving out.

First Ship

These two, Usagi and Mamoru from Sailor Moon. Did I think couples were cute before this? Yes, for sure, but these are the first two that I enjoyed in the way I define shipping. (I... ya know what that does explain the other three above too huh...?)

Last Song

That would be "Over the Moon" By Khaotung Thanawat ... because I had it on loop today giggling because of the solar eclipse and I'm a giant nerd.

Currently Reading

"Infinity Kings (Infinity Cycle, 3)" by Adam Silvera. I say currently reading, but I've not started it yet. But I really loved the first two books, and if I enjoy book 3 is just as good imo, it'll become my go to fantasy rec for people. Several queer leads? Check. Dragons in modern day setting? Check!

Oh and also.

I'm perpetually reading things here.

Last Movie.

MHA: World Heroes' Mission. Again I'm a nerd, what do you expect. Watched it recently during binge of the anime. (And now I'm in "wait weekly-ishly for the next chapter of the manga" hell...)

Currently Craving

Potae, it's like a spiral potato chip, and I got them last time I was in my state's capital and went to one of the Asian grocery stores. "I shouldn't get many incase I don't like them." I said... "They're small though so I'll get two bags." I said. I basically inhaled them and haven't been back that way since!!!!!

I can't think of anyone, and @kristsingto already tagged the few that came to mind. (and my close friends I'd tag I already know the answers but ya'll can still do it if you see this!) but to all followers and mutuals seeing this not already tagged this is me offically tagging ya'll.