#impractical and uncomfortable women's clothing

[chlorinatedpopsicle]

(Old news. This was in my drafts and I forgot about it.)

The #KuToo movement was started by actress Yumi Ishikawa in protest of the high heel requirement in many Japanese workplaces.  

‘KuToo’ is a play on words combining the Japanese words kutsu (shoes) with kutsuu (pain), as well as a reference to the #MeToo movement.

Many businesses in Japan require their female workers to wear heels at least 5 cm (1.9 in) tall. This requirement hugely restricts female workers’ productivity and comfort.

When Ishikawa made a Tweet complaining about mandatory high heels, she ended up receiving over 60,000 likes and 30,000 retweets. Other women began sharing their own stories of discomfort with heels, posting photos of their bloodied and blistered feet in solidarity with Ishikawa.

On June 3, 2019, Ishikawa submitted a petition to the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare advocating for a law that would prohibit companies and businesses from requiring women to wear heels. In the petition, Ishikawa argued that pumps and heels can cause bunions (hallux valgus), blisters, bleeding, aching, shoe rubs, and strain on the waist and back. Furthermore, long-term high heel use often causes chronic back pain and deformed feet.

That same month, a demonstrative event on the harms of high heels was held in Tokyo—men were given the chance to try on and walk around in high heels, showing them how uncomfortable they are and the strain they put on women’s feet.

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It's insane what women are expected to do to their bodies just to be hired / respected in certain workplaces. Any workplace that doesn't require men to wear heels, shave, or wear makeup should not be able to dictate that women do. It's not purely a matter of good presentation or grooming or hygiene or self-respect — if it was, men would have to do these things too. It's a matter of misogynistic discrimination, plain and simple.

[maykitz]

society would greatly benefit from seeing more photography of men being photographed like women, not just the clothes but everything else, heroin chic skinny boys in makeup and high heels and an impractical uncomfortable outfit that restricts too much and covers too little, posing their fully shaved unmuscular bodies to look vulnerable and available, making soft doe eyes and sultry open mouthed semi orgasmic faces, not even in erotic settings but completely casual everyday billboard advertisements for blue jeans, a new perfume or a local cleaning business. photography that makes it clear they don't depict people to be respected and admired but objects that constantly look over their shoulder to make sure they're satisfying the consumer behind the lens. this would enrich us

[thehmn]

I used to think having boobs and vagina meant I was doomed to wear uncomfortable bras and impractical clothes forever and spent millions on hygiene products so let me pass my knowledge on to you.

I much prefer to wear bras to avoid underboob sweat but they don’t have to be uncomfortable. You can either find a professional who can help you find your exact measurements or be lazy like me and use hookless bras like Sloggi.

First time I wore one I was so amazed at how comfortable it was I wore it to bed just because I could. They’re so good at making them now people can’t tell and as a bonus many of them are less visible through clothes than bras with hooks. My advice is save bras with hooks for special occasions and get the comfies for everyday use. As an extra bonus they also last longer than bras with hooks.

People rave about menstrual cups but as an intersex person who physically can’t use them but still have the “pleasure” of menstruating I’m happy to inform you that reusable pads exist. They are godsend because you buy one or two packs and won’t have to worry about remembering to get new ones for years. They come in all sizes and even at my worst period I’ve never bled through them. Also, they’re a lot more gentle to your skin.

I admit I was completely unaware of the whole “women’s clothes doesn’t have pockets” debate for a very long time because I just never bought pants without pockets. The only legwear I own without pockets are leggings and some of those at least have a pocket for my phone.

So live your truth and wear whatever you want but know you’re not alone in your complaints and people have found solutions to most of it. Trust me, before going “what about” at me try looking it up and there’s most likely an option out there. Go, be free.

[marzipanandminutiae]

Friend Marzi, why do we have an inclination to believe that all historical clothing was very heavy? Fabrics varied in lightness and for the very heat of summer for example an all-silk or all-muslin ensemble could be made very light and breathable if necessary, even foregoing implements like boning, etc. Like, there are ways to not be dragging your skirts around.

Working people and people with active hobbies were already wearing fewer layers anyway, so we shouldn't expect them to be encumbered. Why do we anyway?

Friend Tumblr User Chasingtheskyline! Hello!

(This answer will focus primarily on conventionally feminine clothing, since that's my area of expertise. Just to disclaim.)

I think it's because of the layering, really. And the idea that, as you touched on, Only Rich People Wore All That (not so much- the basic makeup of chemise/combinations, maybe drawers post-1820s, corset/stays, at least one petticoat, skirt, bodice for women was pretty consistent across most of the social ladder during the 18th and 19th centuries at least) so of COURSE it's heavy and impractical. And as we all know, rich people didn't have lives or do things! They just lounged around being rich and not moving! </s>

We're used to one layer of our mostly-polyester clothing being extremely warming in summer because. It's polyester. Breathability is not something people think about much nowadays, since we're so used to just exposing as much skin as possible to cool down. Ergo, the idea that it's layers of lightweight fabric doesn't really occur to people, I think.

Another element, I think, may be that some of these people have carried reproduction historical garments but never worn them. Or weighed them in a heap on a scale- yes, really -and never taken into account the weight distribution when they're on a body. I've owned garments that were a bear to carry, but perfectly comfortable to wear.

Also, you know. We've long had a vested interest in making our own garments seem like The Best Most Advanced Garments. You can find articles from as early as the 1920s decrying Victorian "trailing skirts and trailing hair" as unhygienic and uncomfortable Never mind that the ADULTS saying this would have known full well that shorter skirts were commonplace for situations where Excessive Dirt would be present and grown women wore their hair up. (Also, you know. Unless you're licking your hem, your skirts cannot get you sick.)

Either you're getting only the experiences of women who hated what they wore before- which would somehow be the same fashion writers who once declared that the gowns of 1915 were the best, or 1910, or 1905 -or they had a vested interest in selling something to the public: in this case, the hottest, newest clothes (and hairstyles that required more regular trips to the hairdresser than long hair pinned up). Of course you get those writers calling earlier clothing heavy- they're trying to get people to buy rayon flapper dresses!

Now, does that mean that nobody in history found their clothing heavy? Of course not. One of Amelia Bloomer's key complaints about the fashions of the 1840s and early 50s was the many layers of petticoats women often wore to create the fashionable skirt shape- and while I'm often loath to take dress reformers as sole arbiters of women's opinion, the invention of the cage crinoline/hoop skirt was widely hailed as a marvel for enabling big skirts with much less weight.

But you're so right that this perception is extremely exaggerated nowadays. I do my best to fight it- had this conversation with a colleague today, as I was wearing a long-sleeved blouse of cotton voile and a long cotton skirt to work in 80-degree (F) weather -but. Well. It DOES get frustrating at times.

[ganondoodle]

"bc i find it weird and uncomfortable how nintendo treats and comments on Riju and the gerudo as a whole"

Could you elaborate on this? Outside of men perving on the Gerudo (which is honestly just representative of real life scenarios) I can't think of anything problematic in regards to how they or Riju are treated. (Her being put into power at such a young age is questionable but that's just one of the downfalls of hereditary ruling I think.)

This is genuine, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or obtuse or anything! I never noticed anything overtly concerning so I just was curious what you were referring to. (Sorry I'm sure there's a post or something I missed where you were talking about it.)

so, this ask comes off as a little weird since the Gerudo are very overtly orientalist/racist stereotypes and you can just .. .research it instead but, given that i recently got an ask from someone saying they were 14 i will answer it bc i know sometimes you think first about asking someone about something instead of looking it up yourself

so, mind you, i am not a person of color, and the issues are a giant can of worms i cannot possibly go into every detail of nor know every detail of

the Gerudo, both in older games and new ones (botw/totk) are basically a bunch of stereotypes about black and arab people rolled into one, they are based on a mish mash of middle eatern cultures together with popular stereotypes about them

they wear stupidly impractical sexy clothing for people living in the desert, its very skin exposing (something that is the opposite of what you do living in an environment like that) and based on the wrong but popular idea of the 'belly dancer' outfit- an outfit that isnt sexual but was popularized as something akin to a strippers outfit by western people (colonizers im pretty sure .. who else) and is STILL used as that, they also wear high heels ... in the desert ......... a sand desert .... and wear heavy make up (like hylian women dont)

even worse then that the EXACT SAME outfit is used for the children as well, they too are put into heels, heavy makeup, and that 'belly dancer' outfit which is very VERY uncomfortable if you know what that oufit is largely seen as .. (even if youd try to argue that Riju wears it to seem more like a competent leader, it falls flat bc the children wear the same damn weird outfit as everyone else)

the Gerudo are also all very muscular in a way that no other women is in the game, which plays into the stereotype of black women being more masculine/mannish than uwu frail little white women and thus, among more, less women, or being able to feel less pain (yes that is an actual belief wtf??), while at the same time still sexualized

now in OOT they were thiefing evil women (thief being yet another stereotype for arabs as well as evil) whos only 'good' one both rejecting some of their tradition (kinda playing into the idea of those tradtions being wrong and adhering to the "good" traditions of western people is what makes you good) and is also abused throughout the game; in botw/totk they are not eviiiil but live in a closed to all men city and their entire society revolves around finding a hylian man to marry, their only goal in life is basically to find a man and have a family which i HOPE i dont have to explain why that is problematic (misogyny anyone) while it is treated by other NPCs as something to be conquered, something alien and other that beckons them to invade, they constantly try to get into the city where all da sexyyyy women are (hello????????????) and its less treated as disgusting and more like a haha little joke (in botw theres a guy circling around the city at all times??? excuse me?? and in totk the same guy is SNEAKING ON THE ROOFS OF THE HOUSES IN THE CITY LOOKING TO GET IN?????????????????)

the argument of that just being real life is ... not all wrong per se but the thing is, ONLY the Gerudo are treated like sexy things to be oogled at (both in OOT and botw/totk, possibly even more but i am not as familiar with all games in the franchise) and no other women from any species is eyebrow raising to say the least, and it never really gets called out either beyond making fun of that one guy by scamming him out of his boots by .. pretending to be a girl (pretty sure link is the only non Gerudo that is oogled at by anyone and its the creepiest creep)

then, with Riju in particular its made even worse that she is not just young but VERY young (which also begs the question why the fuck the Gerudo would put someone so young into the seat of leader of their entire region- something also no other race does), shes only 12 in botw and yet, like all the other children too, put into the same kind of outfit, but then theres also the commentary in the concept art book saying that "gerudo age faster than hylians and thats why shes got a mature air to her" which, among being a way to make how shes sexualized (both in outfit and at times camera angles- also applies to Urbosa) seem more okay (its not) and plays into the stereotype that people of color are quicker to gorw up and thus be treated as adults despite being children like any other child- hence why often in the news when a black child is shot they dont call them a child but "young man", using that to subtly shift it to seem more okay (like we are currently seeing in the genocide of palestine, news calling a murdered SIX year old palestinian "YOUNG WOMAN" while calling a 19 year old white soldier lady who got a little bruise an abused child)

and it also applies to Ganondorf, he is the epitome of evil arab men stereotype, power hungry abusive and ruling over lots of women (in this case its his entire race...), (with a hint of antisemitism too, his hooked nose being both used as an overemphasized feature for arabs and jewish people as a sign of their connection to the devil/sing of evil and to other them from white 'good little noses'- (((i want to yell about this so much bc big and hooked noses are so cool and beautiful argh))) and his skin tone being always some strange greyish-yellow color no one else has and even worse mint green in totks official art, despite him being very dark grey in model- green skin being yet another antisemitic trope PLUS playing into the whole idea that being evil means you also LOOK evil, whichs is often, who would have guessed- anything that isnt the traditional western beauty ideal of thin thin white and young)

while also in totk, he as well is sexualized with his new revealing outfit and the weird constant emphasis on how he is meant to be sexy to everyone alike (and it not being apparent in the game nor used in it) in multiple interviews with the main people in charge of the franchise- and his evilness being what all the Gerudo must atone for, they birthed this eviiil man (who is evil from birth i guess bc thats totally fine and logical) and they have to bear that sin for all eternity (as in dialog about him in the gerudo sage cutscene, plus the whole idea of the closed off city, despite there having been no ganondorf in thousands of years, being closed of to men as to shut out any potential Ganondorf or similar evil? though the latter im not sure how supported it is .. i cant remember every line of dialog ok) while the hyrulean monarchy and its uwu blonde god descdendants are never even confronted with the horrible shit they did, bc its fine if they torture and murder people (OOT and possibly more), chase them into the void or persecute their own servants bc da king got afraid they could rise up against him- with their only choice being give up their tech and knowledge to live under the royal rule (botw/totk ancient shiekah- shiekah, and its presented as a good thing, we are all happy beign the eternal servants of the monarchy :)))) or be killed, and the ones resisting are eviiiill and now a cult and also very stupid and silly and not to be taken seriously (yiga) while its mentioned once as a fun fact and never ever mentioned again, bc, the hyrulean monarchy is all god descendant uwu white blonde people that are so good you guys, everything they do is in the name of good uwu and neva to be questioned uwu bc obviously everyone that opposed to them is evil bc they are the perfectest good guys uwu

youd think, and i hoped, they would do better by now, in botw, the gerudo are not well done at all, different than before but still bad, but at least they introduced other people with darker skin tones that arent Gerudo so they are not the literal only people with non white skin anymore- but with totk espeically, they had the chance to make Ganondorf into an interesting villain with a point, maybe not even full blown villain, bc he has a point- he does but its not treated as such, its treated as if he is the most blatantly flat evil guy ever- even more flat and one note evil than all his previous appearances, which is frankly, quite insulting to say the least

look i wanted to keep it short but here we are, i dont know if this anon was genuinely being genuine or not (since bigots like to act all non offensive and like to ask you to explain your very obvious point ..) but i dont htink i ever talked about it as a whole so eh- i probably missed stuff but anyway, heres a good video about it for zelda in particular

[gothellewoods]

You know? Sometimes I'm bothered by the way fandom here addresses femininity in comic book characters, particularly the ones traditionally oversexualized. It's like the very aspect of femininity becomes linked to the hypersexualization, and therefore both must be eliminated together.

Now, I understand that butch/gnc women are starved for rep and I love seeing people draw or discuss their own interpretations or incarnations of a character. At the same time, it feels like a slap in the face to see a cool fanart with a caption about how "____ would never wear that gross outfit! Here's a better look". To look at a character and think "She looks cute! I'd love to draw/cosplay that" and see fanart of her where she looks completely different, pointing to her comic outfit saying, "this thing set feminism back 10 years!" It's annoying to see people take a character like starfire, canonically a supermodel, and condescendingly explain why their masc version is superior in the description of a cute fanart I wouldve otherwise reblogged!

I regularly see people on her discuss costumes in terms of the "male gaze" While failing to understand that the term describes narrative framing, not the outfit itself. People will look at the costume that I, as an ace woman, would wear and describe how it's designed to sexualize and appeal to men, how no woman would ever hear that, and how another outfit is better because it suits the "female gaze". Male gaze is how you frame a character, centering a panel on her ass or tits instead of her face. A very revealing outfit, or even a nude figure framed with respect and agency doesn't fall into this.

I've seen black canary or zatanna's fish nets "impractical", "uncomfortable", or "ridiculously oversexualized" as if those aren't standard dancers clothes, built for movement. Was I dressing impractically, or hypersexualizong myself when I was 16 wearing a leotard and tights in my dance performances? When I wore shorts and lacy fishnets outside because I thought it looked cute or fun?

There's this derision towards the feminine stemming from the remnants of tumblr's "I'm not like other girls" mentality that just bothers me immensely here. It's its own brand of internalized misogyny that I think people aren't even aware they're falling into. It's very possible to lift up different experiences of womanhood or gender without having to tear other people down at the same time, and some people on here need to learn that

[tiredsn0w]

I've seen so much drawings of John Ward with a Rosary but never ones with him praying with it. This was intended to be a quick sketch but I ended up colouring it a little bit.

This would have been more appropriate for 7 October but please take my humble offering nonetheless. I drew John in a cassock because I thought he might wear the more formal/traditional clothes on that day. The collars are really interesting. And impractical. (I've only ever seen a slotted one up close but even that looks uncomfortable.

*I'm realising just now that I forgot the line "the Lord is with thee" in the Hail Mary. I apologise, I went by memory. The correct version is:

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

[acrossthewavesoftime]

Stuff I did in a full set of Regency era clothing yesterday:

walked several kilometres

travelled on public transport, a coach (not the horse-drawn kind, alas) and a long distance train

jogged through a busy central station

danced

ate a not inconsiderable plate of chips (or fries, depending where you come from)

Won a round of Uno

On a more serious note, what I realise is that the argument that [insert historical garment of your choice] is impractical truly is a misconception.

You often see it in (historical) fiction with women ditching their allegedly restrictive bust support garments or long skirts in favour of trousers to 'come into their own' and pursue some sort of adventure, and that always disheartens me, because all it does is showing that the author clearly didn't bother reading up on the fashion of the time they're portraying, or maybe even take the time to talk to costumers or look at extant or reproduction garments.

Naturally, we're not talking about exaggerated court fashions here, clothes that were only worn in this one specific context (which is why we often have surviving examples of those; they were worn with care, and rarely), but almost any historical era's everyday wear can be comfy to wear for modern people.

All it takes is some getting used to how to dress yourself, and how to move in these specific garments.

There are of course spaces today that are not designed to be used by people in, say, panniers or hoop skirts as they are not part of present-day every day life, but as far as your personal comfort goes, you can absolutely achieve that with well-fitting garments (you wouldn't feel comfy in a size 8 or 20 if you're a size 12 buying modern clothes, either, right?).

Once you've learned how to move in the clothes of your choice, they feel as 'normal' as modern-day clothes to you. Short stays are no more comfortable or uncomfortable to me than a bra, and I can walk, even run, just as fast in a floor-length gown as I can in trousers.

Neither historical, nor modern clothes are inherently 'good' or 'bad', but wearable, provided you like and feel well in your clothing, and that's about all there is to it.

[redditreceipts]

hey, i sent you that anon about clothing and i just wanted to thank you so much for your answer! i have also always disliked the terms "masculine" and "feminine" clothing but i didn't exactly know how to get my point across without saying either of them. for me, i love fashion but i find the majority of female clothing stores only sell very impractical, uncomfortable things while men are afforded the privilege of comfort in terms of their standard clothing.

you're welcome! you're right about how men's fashion has a lot of advantages, but also some disadvantages. So I propose a new form of clothing, which takes the best of both worlds.

so this is the fashion binary (boo!)

but what if we just took the best from both worlds and made a new type of women's fashion like this:

we would have a kind of fashion from robust and sturdy materials that is practical and not sexualised, but also expressive and fitted to the female body. I actually see most women who are sewing the clothing themselves making it like this!

and the best thing would be good quality button up shirts that you can close on the chest area! (I'm thinking back to the time when I could them choose from the boy's section in the store and still close the buttons over my boobs, before they got too big :( )

[belit0]

Hi i would like to request of the uchihas reaction of sarada's time skip outfit pls. Also, i love ur fanfics💓

Thank you so much!! I love feedback, it keeps me going and motivates me for writing, I truly appreciate it💕🤗

The Uchiha, to me, are highly conservative (except Izuna), so their personal opinions are somewhat reiterative with lesser degrees of severity.

Indra

- Literally what the fuck, again. Why do they allow women, a girl at least, to dress like that? Indra reiterates, and still maintains, that having such a brat as part of his bloodline is disgusting, even more so after seeing her obtain the fucking mangekyou sharingan in such a stupid way.

Madara

- Lots of skin, she's just a kid u guys... Similar to the previous man, he doesn't agree at all with having... so much in plain sight. What happened to the ancient robes of the clan?! Besides, her short hair makes him despair, since when did the Uchiha cease to maintain their beautiful long manes and opted for the boastfulness of cutting it?

Izuna

- Slaaaay. Highly supportive of rebelliousness and lack of limits, he believes the bolder you are, the funnier your life will be. Izuna is that irresponsible uncle who makes you smoke for the first time, or drink your first glass of alcohol and get drunk, so his opinion doesn't count for much. He supports chaos, in all its shapes and forms.

Obito

- Protect the... child? It's definitely a revealing outfit, impractical for fighting at the very least, and it looks quite uncomfortable. He likes the jacket, and the short hair, but if the clothes were a little longer, he'd be more at ease. It's a 50/50 between liking and indignation, with no clear inclination.

Shisui

- Not so slay. Shisui is already anticipating how many kids he'll have to scare before they leave his niece alone, and he's not enjoying it at all. I mean, yeah, freaking kids out is cool, but not if it's to keep them from hitting on his little Sarada. He'll probably force her to wear long pants and zip her jacket up to her neck.

Itachi

- If she's happy, he's happy. Personally and like all the other Uchiha, he doesn't really approve of her wardrobe choices, but the times have changed and nowadays kids can choose how to dress and how to look. If she is pleased with her outfit, great. He'd approve a little more length at the base, at least down to the knees, but that's about it.

[menalez]

Why do you reblog pictures of women in sexualized fashion? i thought radfems were against women wearing sexualized impractical clothes and make up? Why do you have an entire nsfw tag of photoshoots of women in sexualized degrading clothing and poses? It’s wierd

I saw another radfem post about the “escape the corset” movement and then 10 mins later reblog a picture of some aesthetic lipsticks with flower designs on it. Seriously why are you people such hypocrites?

for one— im not some kind of peak example of radfems. ive never referred to myself as a radfem nor am i against erotica which is what you seem to assume here. if you’re looking for perfection, look elsewhere, because i will likely disappoint!

second— sexualised fashion how? i dont see women in underwear as sexualised fashion, i see it as erotica at most or visually appealing but fashion? not rly. not everything i share has a feminist message behind it or is feminist. maybe ur referring to the most recent aesthetic post,, i didnt look super closely to find if i approve of every element of the image. i liked the attire, it looks cute & not uncomfy, dont like the shoes which look painful, and i reblogged it bc it’s visually appealing and i like the outfit (the hat thing is silly looking to me but i didnt feel strongly enough about it so i didnt feel the need to make a comment)

third— if you see the nsfw tag, you’ll notice i reblog things and share in the tags or comments that i have an issue with what ive shared. the nsfw tag isn’t a bunch of things i co-signed or something, it’s either something i found visually appealing, or something i found questionable, or something i simply liked for whatever reason. i dont think theres anything wrong with nudity or lingerie or sexual imagery anyways so if that’s the stance you expect from me then, again, you will be disappointed. i oppose porn specifically, not any & all depiction of sexuality. it’s quite tame and if you feel offended by women sitting or standing there in lingerie then again.. you’ll be disappointed by my blog. i take no issue with such things, i only take issue when they remind me of porn or seem uncomfortable or forced or somehow predatory, i dont mind depictions of sexuality or nudity or lingerie.

also maybe stop taking tumblr posts so seriously 😭 why are u this upset some woman posted a pic of lipstick and flowers?? are there no bigger problems in the world or even in ur life??

[maoth-fuath]

It's honestly so ridiculous how many feminists /just people I guess online act like feminity/feminine clothing is just inherently oppressive, restrictive, uncomfy. Like, yeah there are issues with that for sure. But, when people go "femininity is restrictive and made up for male pleasure" it's like yes feminity (I'm unfortunately just referring to these terms by other people's made up standards) is made up. It can be restrictive. But, not always. Like for instance I HATE wearing pants. Which is considered in our society more neutral/or masc. Bec I hate the feeling of fabric covering my entire legs. Skirts are literally just more comfortable?? (Shorter ones). But, they're written off as kinda oppressive/just meant to be attractive/uncomfortable. Like how?? It would make sense to me if everyone wore skirts. Also shorts work for me too..but not longer shorts. And a lot of femme styles are like really creative and fun? It feels like 99% of the time if someone tries dressing more creative they end up being considered somewhat feminine. And I want to have fun with how I look. And be comfy. Feel like I'm expressing myself. I don't think feminine looks are inherently uncomfy? Some of them are awesome and comfy. And a lot of these convos make me feel like these people shop at the worst stores known to mankind?? Bec they act like feminine clothing is inherently tight, low cut, meant to be attractive but uncomfortable and made horribly impractical Like??? Most of my clothes are from the women's section and like you know big sweaters exist right? Or like overalls. Or like women's clothing that isn't like extremely impractical? People act like women are literally wearing bimbo clothes made for dolls 24/7. Like it'd be impossible to do "practical" things in them. Where do you shop?? Wear an alternative style then?? It makes me feel bad for having feminine traits when people say feminity is inherently toxic and inherently "made up" . Yes, it's made up but certain traits are completely fair for humans of any gender to have. Yes, wearing makeup and shaving all the time CAN be toxic but I'm not even talking Abt that. It's like they think all feminity is inherently hurtful. As if wearing pants, and more masc fashion is somehow inherently freeing? When it's often boring/uncomfortable. And a lot of men also agree with this and flee to the feminine side of style (or somewhat feminine)

[burningtheroots]

Hey about your shaving post: i dont shave but body hair is genuinely uncomfortable for me sometimes. Especially crotch hair. It pulls on everything and when I bleed it gets worse. Armpit hair can get knotted and pull on your clothes. Im not gonna shame women for being uncomfortable with body hair if it literally hurts to have hair there. Making the argument about 'why dont you shave your head or eyebrows as well' isn't really a good counterargument.

I assume you‘re referring to this post.

I‘m aware that body hair can make you uncomfortable and that there are women who have *actual* sensory issues, though I think that many women use this as an argument without really having them.

My intention is not to shame any women for shaving — I‘m just trying to collect & share (unpopular) perspectives on the topic.

But I also think that the way we perceive body hair is conditioned, even in some of the cases you described. If it hurts you, I understand that and even if it doesn’t, I won’t police you on what you do with it.

However, I think that the post is still important and valid. As for the clothing, I think the fact that women‘s clothes are created for looks & "aesthetics" rather than comfort and practical use plays a huge role as well.

And I can’t really speak on "why don’t you shave the hair on your head either" for anyone but myself … yet the hair on your head gets knotted, pulled, can hurt, requires much more care, is a lot more impractical in many situations etc. so I think that your argument doesn’t work, either.

We‘re just conditioned to experience the latter as a given. As self-evident.

[aftonfamilyvalues]

What do you think about feminist analysis of clothing that talks about correct size garments being more restrictive and uncomfortable and difficult to move around in? Part of the reason I switched from women’s to men’s graphic t-shirts as a teen was because the women’s ones were often cut to be form-fitting rather than loose and they were uncomfortable as well as the sleeves riding up into my armpits and difficult to run and generally be active in unless I bought a shirt multiple sizes too big.

ive always found "girl cut" tees to be super uncomfortable. mens/"unisex" is far more comfortable. the way the girl cut shit hugs every crevice of your body is impractical. and its not really for women, is it? womens sizing makes no sense, mens seems to be pretty standard but womens changes for every brand and every store. remember that post about big breasted women fantasizing about what theyd wear if they had a flat chest? womens clothing doesnt even accommodate womens bodies.

wearing mens clothes only really works for shirts though (for me, at least) mens pants dont accommodate my hips. i would love to just buy mens shorts and not have to go store to store trying to find womens shorts. my thighs rubbing together because my shorts dont cover them is my personal vote for ultimate clothing sin. its genuinely painful after a short while, my clothing shouldnt be made in a way that incites pain.

[imeverywoman420]

I’m not good with words but the way some feminists on here talk about mens v womens clothes is a little bit……………… liek. I get it a lot of womens clothing are uncomfortable and impractical bc they’re too tight or too short or whatever. But like a lo t of them act like no womens clothens can be comfortable and that mens clothes are the only good clothes because they’re not degrading to wear or make you a sex toy luke women clothes do. I mean I live in Florida and like a cute little tank top or crop top and a skirt or girl shorts or a cute little summer dress is way more comfortable for me to wear in the heat than like jeans a shirt or even shorts and a shirt or sweatpants whatever they wear idk. Like they talk like all womens clothing is bad and degrading just to wear and look at. Same thing with like some of them saying mascara and nail polish and moisturizing your face or washing your hair with shampoo is likr women upholding the patriarchy idk. Like sometimes I feel like there is no nuance it’s just gnc good and feminine bad.

Like idk how to word this but like. We live in a society.

The fact that women are oppressed and forced to like use their looks as currency and conform to beauty standards blah blah like yeah but also like. Ok my bad i smoked fucked up weed a few minute ago.

Its the fact that women are judged on their worth by their looks but individual women wearing makeup is not like… the great satan. Like its just participating in society. Like iphone bad right but we’re still on that iphone… im perfectly fine with criticism of the beauty industry but why be so personal and extremist abt it? Like theres bigger problems in the world.

[ms-hells-bells]

it's more a rant than an ask

(english isn't my native language sorry for the mistakes)

I don't know if because i'm young and hetero but it annoys me to seeing sexualised depiction of women even on radblr, I talk about these pictures made generally by men where the female body is depicted like a decoration, where women are hyperfeminine I found this especially in weebfems when they reblog drawings with female characters wearing fetish gear/impractical clothing or the cutesy bedrooms with poster and figures of half naked anime girls, even some "body-positive" images seem fetish-y.

I found this weird that they denounce oversexualition of women in media but in same time reblogs male-gazey, made by men content.

I'd like to assimilate the sentence "if you don't like it, don't watch it" but these kind of images are everywhere even on radfems blogs so it's hard to avoid it.

i have complained about objectification before. different than sexualisation, to me it's when stuff that is clearly focused on body parts, is out of proportion, clearly contains harmful aspects of femininity, is clearly male produced, and especially if it comes from male porn blogs. reblogging women is more than fine, reblogging pretty women is more than fine, reblogging drawings of women is more than fine, reblogging non sexualised naked women or art of women created/produced by women is more than fine. it's just a very certain depiction of real or drawn women that makes me uncomfortable. not saying that i don't have feelings with it as well, i am attracted to women, but i feel when there's so much grey area in the depiction of women and humane sexualisation vs objectification....it's just pictures on a blog, it affects nothing to perhaps think 'maybe it's better not to'.

i definitely have nuance about it, it's MORE THAN OKAY to obviously be attracted to women, reblog and comment on hot women, be horny on main lol, it's just SOME depictions that one could easily live without sharing on the internet. i have to keep repeating this part because of the recent annoying shit where i talked about objectification of breasts. because of the society we live in, some struggle to separate the concepts of objectification and sexualisation.