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[nonaheksakontan]

infj 8w7 will traumatise you first and then become your therapist friend

[cinderella-ish]

Fruits Basket Personality Types Part 23: The Hondas

As we get to some of the less central characters in Fruits Basket, I won't be writing out as much detail on why I see them the way I do.

Kyoko Honda

It feels strange to call Kyoko one of the less central characters, because she is kind of at the center of Tohru's arc (and therefore all of Fruits Basket). She also plays a part in Yuki, Kyo, Arisa, and Saki's stories, and she comes up again and again.

Anyway, I see Kyoko as an Enneagram SX 8w7, the Challenger/the Maverick. Haru is a SX 8, and Rin and Arisa are both 8w7.

I see her Tritype as 2-7-8, the Free Spirit. Since she's the first 2-7-8 in this series, here's the description from Katherine Fauvre's website:

If you are a 278, you are caring, innovative and protective. You want to be helpful, loving, and straightforward. You are independent and assertive with a heart of gold. You have a ready smile, a rapier wit, and a twinkle in your eye. You are fun-loving and enjoy people and adventures, nurturing those in your circle of care. You use your charming disposition to create an upbeat, positive, and action-packed environment. You follow your own muse but enjoy the attention and energy of a group of your choosing.

Surprisingly, I see her MBTI as ENFJ (the Teacher - same as me!). Since she's the first ENFJ in this series, here's the description from The Myers & Briggs Foundation:

Warm, empathetic, responsive, and responsible. Highly attuned to the emotions, needs, and motivations of others. Find potential in everyone, want to help others fulfill their potential. May act as catalysts for individual and group growth. Loyal, responsive to praise and criticism. Sociable, facilitate others in a group, and provide inspiring leadership.

Grandpa Honda

I see Grandpa Honda as an Enneagram SX 9w1. This is exactly the same as Tohru!

I see his Tritype as 3-7-9, The Ambassador. Since he's the first Ambassador Tritype, here's the description from Katherine Fauvre's website:

If you are a 379, you are ambitious, innovative, and accepting. You want to be focused, upbeat, and peaceful. You are outgoing even if you are shy. You seek companionship, so naturally, include others in your circle. Your friendly, welcoming, and diplomatic approach provides a warm and pleasant atmosphere that fosters a sense of goodwill. Secretly, you avoid complications, preferring to stay with pleasantries. You strive for success and a feeling of personal importance.

I think his MBTI is INFJ (same as Yuki).

Katsuya Honda

Katsuya is very clearly an Enneagram SO 9w8, the Peacemaker/the Referee. Saki is also a 9w8.

Since he is the first SO 9, here is the description from Enneagram Explained:

SO 9s are the Countertype of type 9 as they react in an opposite way with their vice (sloth). These fun-loving 9s can become workaholics as they put the needs of the group above their own.

"Sloth" in the Enneagram refers to a slowness to do necessary internal work.

I think his Tritype is 3-5-9, the Thinker. Machi is also a 3-5-9.

I see his MBTI as INTP, the Logician. Shigure is also INTP.

In summary:

Kyoko Honda

Enneagram SX 8w7

Tritype 278

MBTI ENFJ

Grandpa Honda

Enneagram SX 9w1

Tritype 379

MBTI INFJ

Katsuya Honda

Enneagram SO 9w8

Tritype 359

MBTI INTP

Fruits Basket Personality Types: Enneagram | MBTI | Tohru | Akito | Kyo | Yuki | Haru | Kisa | Momiji | Hatori | Ayame | Rin | Hiro | Ritsu | Kureno | Shigure | Kagura | Kazuma | Saki | Arisa | Machi | Kakeru | Kaibara Students

[beepboop358]

Hi :) I just wanted to know: what do you think are the MBTI types/Enneagram types of each Stranger Things character? (sorry if you already answered this question) (and also I wanted to thank you for sharing your theories with us, your blog brings me a lot of comfort and joy) (wow this is weird, sorry XD)

Hi anon! I haven't done this yet this sounds super fun! :))

Also that wasn't weird at all, it made me smile so much and made me so happy ahhh! Thank you for your incredibly sweet words, it really means a lot to me <3 and I'm so glad I can bring you comfort/joy, I feel honored lol :) Sending love 💕

(if you're not familiar with mbti/enneagram types, here's links that explain what they mean, MBTI letters explained & enneagram explained)

Will: INFJ & 4w5

Jonathan: INFP & 5w4

Mike: ENFJ & 6w7

Max: ESTP & 8w7

Eleven: ISFP & 6w5 (eleven was the hardest for me to decide on)

Lucas: ESTJ & 8w7

Dustin: ENTJ & 7w6

Robin: ISTP & 9w8

Steve: ESFP & 2w1

Nancy: ESTJ & 1w2

Erica: ENTJ & 8w7

Joyce: ENFJ & 9w1

Hopper: ISFP & 8w7

[only1bedtrope]

Eldarya MBTI+Enneagram

Since i’m talking about mbti i’m going to type them too (it’s my special interest and i’ve been studying since 2017)

Leiftan:

New era: INFJ 2w1 (In a Ni-Ti loop) 216

Origins: XNFJ 2w3 216

Lance:

New era: ISTJ 1w9 or 8w9

Origins: ENTJ 8w7 837

Nevra:

New era: ESTP 3 disintegrating to 9 (becomes apathetic and unfocused)

Origins: ESTP 3w2

Karenn:

ESFP 4w3 468 in both i suppose

Chrome:

ESFP 7w8

Erika:

ENFJ 2w3

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Only origins:

Ezarel: ENTP 7w8, he has a 1 fix in his tritype

Probably 713 tritype

Valkyon: ISFJ 9w1 962

Miiko: ESTJ

Huang Hua: ENFJ probably a 7 or a 2

Alajea: ESFJ 2w3

Ykhar: ISFP 6w7

Maybe i will make a post explaining some of them, if someone wants it lol

[nexyra]

What is your take on rwby chara's mbti types? I think

Weiss - xSTJ, thought that she was ESTJ at first but ISTJ makes a lot of sense too.

Winter - ESTJ

Pyrrha - ESFJ

Emerald - ISFJ (I've seen some ppl type her as INFJ but I don't see how she is a Ni dom?)

Whitley - ENTJ? I'm honestly not sure abt that..

Adam - fucked up xNFJ, probably INFJ (seen him typed as xNTJ but his delusional thinking process imo screams unhealthy Ti and I think his manipulation of Blake and the WF is more Fe than Te

Qrow - was thinking ISTP but with the more recent volumes I'm really not sure..

Penny - ENFP

Ozpin - Uuuuuh INTP maybe?? But I've seen some people type him as INFJ. INFJ 5w6 would make sense as to why he might appear as an INTP but idk..

Bartholomew- ENTP

Jaune - no fucking idea honestly

Ironwood - ENTJ

Sun - Seen ppl type him as ENFP but I don't see any Ne at all..,,ESFP?

Yang - ESxP, maybe ESTP

Cinder - INTJ

Mercury - ISTP

Oscar - ISFJ

Ren - ISTx?

Hello anon ! I see my love for typology hasn't gone unnoticed 😂 Thank you so much for the ask !

I prefer enneagram over MBTI because I find it easier to type; so fair warning that I'm not an authority on MBTI-typing. But I do have have an ongoing RWBY typing that includes MBTI sooo... here goes !

(I'm putting my ennea typings along with it, but not explaining them on this post)

➸ RWBYJNPR

Ruby • xNFP 6w7 9w1 2w3?

I just can't decide between the two fors Ruby because... it kind of goes both way ??? Like Ruby definitely feels as INFP for the first half of the series; she's got a clear Fi > Ne preference... But then when she develops her Tert in V6 it's just... Te ? And she really doesn't show much Si actually she fits more the Si inf vibe in the form of forgetting about bad memories and her mom until people dig it up and she's like "nooo !" ?? So it looks like Te > Si but also Fi > Ne; conclusion idfk

Weiss • ISTJ 1w2 6w5 3w4 sp/so

Clear Fi tert rearing its head along with the 1 so I'm going with ISTJ; I also never really saw any Ne. Her type isn't too disagreed upon so tell me if you want a lenghtier explanation.

Blake • ISFP 6w5 9w8 4w3 (in some order)

Wooh this might get the anger of some (i have experience with the INFJ typers) but Blake goddamn REEKS of Fi. Less so recently but for the first seasons oh my god. She straights up catch you by the shirt and tells you "I'm doing the right thing"; and said right thing is so heavily dependant on her own subjectives values, which is why Blake can't reconcile with the current White Fang; because she doesn't have a strong Je vision of "what objectively works in the end", she only sees actions in terms of immediate right and wrong, and this b&w dichotomy stems from herself. What the WF is doing is wrong and the circumstances don't matter for judging the morality of their actions (of course I'm not talking about murder here bc that's pretty wrong ALL THE TIME but for example the stealing occuring in V1 bc of the WF is a better example)

Yang • ESXP 7w8 8w7 2w3

I'm sorry about that but I can't help you on that aspect anon, I still can't make up my mind about whether Yang has Fi or Ti. I have seen arguments for both, and i'm not the best at picking up on Ti so it's hard for me to tell.

Jaune • ESFJ 6w7 3w2 9w1

No strong opinions on his MBTI, it's kinda just based on vibes

Nora • ENFP 6w7 9w8 3w2

Textbook ENFP, not much to say here x))

Pyrrha • XXFJ 2w1 1w2 6?

In my list Pyrrha is currently written down as ISFJ but that's mostly based on the general consensus and me wanting to get rid of the XX. I don't actually have any convincing arguments to decide on Ni or Si, so I could go either way if someone else makes their case well. I feel like she's Fe aux more than dom, but even about that I could change my mind. Pyrrha didn't have that much screentime in the end :((

Ren • ISTJ? 9w1 5w4 4w5

Ironically I'm not sure about his type, kind of like you. I've mentionned I'm not very good at picking up on Ti right ? And Ren was a background character before V4 really. I had him written down as ISTP for a while but I've seen some convincing arguments for ISTJ so I might lean toward that actually but who knows. The thing I'm very confident about is his 5 fix = )

➸ Faunus bonus

Sun • ESFP 7w6 2w3 9w1 so/sx

I don't see any Ne at all either so I don't understand the ENFP typings...?? Maybe the 7 stereotypes ? Imo Sun is just a very good boy; certified ESFP 7 himbo; triple positive sunshine !

Ilia • Ti-Fe axis ?

Again, not enough screentime for me to make an educated guess. My only certainty is : not high Fi. It's the source of their conflicts. Blake confidence in absolute right & wrong, tracing lines in the sand between acceptable & unacceptable. Whereas Ilia can only shake her head and say "Because it works", or cry out "I don't know what else to do !"

Adam • 3w4 8w7 6w5

I honestly don't really have much of an opinion about Adam's MBTI, i'm sorry anon ;; I don't know enough about how he thinks

➸ Oz-related things and his circle

Ozpin • INFJ 5w4 2w1 1w9

I would personally call him an INFJ. I... never really got INTP vibes from him ? I don't see the Fe inf work out with his interactions : he's always rather at ease, he knows how to navigate around people... His focus inherently lies on doing what's best for the "group", the people, humanity. Fx functions are both concerned with ethics, in different ways, and I think Oz reflects that well. He IS concerned with the moral weight of his actions, but it's a more adaptable and unpersonnal concern than Fi people. He regards Ironwood's soul machines as something wrong, but can still agree to use it if the situations demand it for example. So... if the INFJ + 5 makes sense to you, well that's what I'm typing him personally. I also feel like Ni fits him more than Ne. Ozpin has a very linear way of planning, he does use his fair share of symbolism in every day conversation... Even when taking decisions, he... kind of cares about the meaning of things a lot ? It's hard to explain but like; the way he highlights the difference between an army and a guardian, and the emotionnal response it brings. I don't know it feels like there's some Ni vibes in there x)

Oscar • ISFJ 9w8 6w7 3w2

Oscar's type honestly isn't the one I would have the easiest time explaining in lenght but yea. It's mostly vibes; also just like Ozpin he doesn't seem to have a particularly Fi reasonning. And he feels more grounded, I don't really remember any Ni so... yay ?

Ironwood • ENFJ 6w5 1w2 3w4 (pre-Vol8); ENTJ (post-Vol8)

Might be weird if you think he was a dictator from the start, but I kind of entertained the idea of Ironwood being Fe dom ? From his very first interaction it was very clear that he was a Je dom to me; he's all about objective results; he doesn't give off the "internal framework" or "personnal values" vibe AT ALL; so it was more a matter of picking Te or Fe. He LOOKS super Te don't get me wrong; but he also has an enneagram tritype that is very common amongst XXTJs (and TJs stereotypes thus derive from it). And just like Oz, his focus at all time seemed to be the greater good and doing what's best for the people still. So I was like... Eh, a "harsh" ENFJ I think that's interesting ? Plus Fe ethics actually derive from their environment, kinda like "everyone agrees that Y is wrong", and if you consider that James is from Atlas... Well his way of thinking and ethics align pretty well with the military.

His character took a turn for the worse in V8 (whether too quick or not depends on who you ask) and past that point he's a clear ENTJ; but I feel like it was more debatable before that. Idk though I might be overthinking this in the hope of making more interesting combinations xD

Qrow • ISTP 4w3 6w7? 1w9? sp/sx

I don't really see anything else than ISTP for Qrow... But he's not a character I would want to find Ti arguments for either.

Raven • ENTJ Cp6w5 8w9 3w4

Most villains get called ENTJ at the first occasions tbh zlqfznhqzkf but I think it fits Raven for the most part actually...

➸ Atlas

Winter • ESTJ 1w9 3w4 6w5

The whole Schnee family has the same enneagram tritype in different order/different wings, it's ridiculous I think she has a higher Te than Weiss, and Fi inf fits her more. She struggles more to reconcile with her emotions and the idea of a personal right/wrong than her little sis.

Penny • ENFP 4w3 6w7 9w1 sx/so

Perfect example of a healthy 4, she's a great friend a cutie pie. ... Sorry we were talking about MBTI x) Well again, textbook ENFP. Not much to debate here.

Whitley • 3w4 1w9 6w5?

Not enough material for me to guess a MBTI type correctly either, sorry... I could see some kind of xNTJ yea but it's really just vibes and not enough concrete.

➸ Antagonists and Extras

Cinder • 8w7 3w4 6w5

Never cared to guess her MBTI type. I hereby type her as insufferable qkfqskfq. More seriously, I don't really know sorry Anon :/

Emerald • 2w3 ?w? ?w?

I never got Fe vibes from her tbh, I just think she's a 2. And Fe as a function is very infused with 2 stereotypes. So yea. Like, she isn't even that worried about the morality of her actions or anything more than the other villains. She just cares more about her personal relationships and being loved, so she automatically looks much nicer, especially with 2 mechanisms of trying to make herself useful and needed. Also because she's surrounded by 8-ish people xD

Mercury • 8w9 7w8 ?w?

ISTP doesn't sound too farfeteched, but I never MBTI-typed him either, sorry.

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Bartholomew Oobleck • xSxJ 5w4

The only vibe he gave me is Si somewhere because of all his talks about learning from the past and everything repeats itself and it's a mine of informations at Mountain Glen... That's really the only time I tried to put down anything for him, and it was Si + 5. He could be some kind of xNTP nerd too for sure, but that's more vibe and I couldn't make an actual argument for it.

[krayfishthetypelessblob]

I saw someone else do this so I hope it's okay to ask: what do you think of each MBTI type?

This is fine, I am always open to questions (technical or not), my responses are just occasionally a lot slower than I’d like.  Uhh no one take my responses too personally, is is going to be very subjective?

ISTJ: Unpopular opinion, but have my favorite sense of humor.  I’d prefer this type over my own, dunno why I decided to skew towards high Fe. Highly sarcastic, often 10x less organized and put together than they seem or stereotypes make them out to be.  Seem to vary between being very judgmental and almost emo in their staunch conviction to their values or seem to not give 2 shits about anything....  I know a lot of 9 core ISTJs.  Should be given the cooking stereotype that ISFJ has, lots of very angry bakers in this category.

INTJs: I’ve only met/confirmed them through the internet.  Again, same morbid/dry sense of humor as the above, fantastic to conversate with.  Similarly to ISTJ, not half as calculating as they’re made out to be.  Tend to be very outwardly disagreeable but with the capacity for being sympathetic and reasonable.  Seem to rate themselves as very logical, but more moved by their values and feelings than they expect.  

ESTJs:  Tend to avoid me and I tend to avoid them purely because we both seem to respect that we’d probably never agree on anything and we think very differently.  Very likable function stack in theory.  Inferior Fi is stil a lot edgier than you’d expect it to be and also incredibly stubborn.  This is my brothers type, if paired with cp6 and 7 have no patience for anyone’s opinions but their own nor anyone trying to control them by any means.  Only rule oriented when they agree with the rules.  Tend to have a streak of paranoia.  I value them in work settings because even though they sometimes get really stubborn are often reasonable people.

ENTJ: My only conception of this type is my great grandma, who is both an 8w9 and soc blind to add on to this type, and an close old friend of mine, who was 8w7 so/sp core.  Tert Se is quite a drug I’ll tell you.  I suppose they’re likely more reasonable without the 8?  Force of nature, hella interesting, fairly self righteous though.  Stubborn as an ox.

ISTP: The embodiment of cool.  Every one of the ISTPs I’ve met has been a walking stereotype.  Machines?  Check.  Sk8bords? If not, they vibe like the punk who would ride one.  Generally likable and even keeled, high Se makes up for lackluster Fe in my opinion.   I envy their ability to work in the real world, often highly creative too in their endevours. 

INTP: Tend to be drastic introverts, but very interesting to talk to.  Tend to be fairly self righteous, but realistically they have some leway with that because they typically know what they’re talking about?  Really cute when they are talking about things that they’re interested in because you can just tell that they’re really interested and they loose themselves in that despite their apathy.

ESTP: Generally, I initially really hate this type among first meeting them because I really grate with Se.  After speaking to them for more than like a week though, I typically feel a strong draw to them.  Se is such a weird function and very counter to everything that I’ve worked with, incredibly interesting to speak with about how they experience the world.  Their mind is just as quick as they are at adapting and working on their feet.  My closer friends have been of this type.

ENTP: Another one who is really cute when they talk about their interests, often a massive dork.  Tend to give more of a shit about people than they think they do, though they struggle to accept this aspect of themselves I guess.  Often think they’re the of pinickle of knowledge but struggle to understand the difference between a value judgement and their own logic sometimes.  Engaging conversator, loves sharing their opinions, another quick thinker. Intelligent dumbass is a really good description.

ISFJ: Give or take.  Either the nicest person you’d ever meet or a skilled manipulator.  Often very competent, often just as passive.  

INFJ: I actually know very few of these types, and most of them have a 7 fix or influence.  It’s just really weird because they are thrill seeking but slow af.  Either a 7 page paragraph for every thought or like... They won’t explain anything because they “just know” and the latter annoys me a lot.  Don’t like to admit they’re wrong, but great/interesting to conversate with in general.

ESFJ: Another give or take.  Have a strange capacity to be the most horrifying person you’ll ever meet.  Another case of self-righteous syndrome sometimes.  There are actually some reasonable members of this type though that I find really likeable because of their enthusiasm and their empathy (when they genuinely have it and aren’t just saying they’re an empath).  My mother is this and I get along with her as well, she’s fairly logical though/understands where her emotions end and are open to others feeling differently.  

ENFJ: I actually don’t usually get along with this type unless they have a 2 fix, and more often it’s a 3 fix.  I’m not sure why, I just find them annoying?  I had a friend who was this type and he was really cool and likable (2w3 so/sp core), deep and ethical thinking, bit of a sjw but I could get past that.  3 core ENFJ is the worst combination for type (purely in terms of my ability to tolerate them), I’m sorry if this applies to you.  Nontheless, I enjoy high Fe enthusiasm in general.

ISFP: Chill, genuiine, and artsy, often either very creative or very... Ditsy.  Often incredibly loyal and a big fan of the underdog and more than willing to accommodate them.  Very inclined to be a 9 core.  Rock music fans.  Generally very easy to like, but can also be very self absorbed and touchy.  Their world view is very much based on how they feel about things, but that’s just Fi in general I guess.  Very easy to manipulate.

INFP: The above is basically true for INFP, except INFPs are less chill.  They tend to think they’re chill, but they’re often not (with a few exceptions).  Another deep conversator that I enjoy at 1 am in particular.

ESFP: I’ve made one good friend with this type and I’d think we are almost complete opposites.  I have the same sort of issue with them I have with ESTP, Se just grates me.  Tend to project a lot, but are often really well meaning and creative.  Really enjoy philosophy, also tend to have a cute kind of enthusiasm when they let it show.  Either emo and adventurous or loud and comedic, I find very little in between

ENFP: Another very intelligent dumbass in the sense that they can explain a theory to you flawlessly then accidentally walk off a cliff.  Sometimes think they’re the pinikle of logic, but conflate knowing a lot with being logical.  Can be an interesting conversator, but can also be drastically self absorbed and self righteous, primarily if they’re 3 fixed.   Fairly interesting to interact with, often fairly neat takes on things.  Members of this type who aren’t my father are often very likable.  

[keycrash]

misc ZE MBTI thoughts; im only just starting to get the hang of it so bear with me. also kit has taught me everything i know thanks kit. ehh general ze spoilers i dont feel like figuring out which

INFJ akane looking the most promising; Ni dom is obviously appropriate for her, and unhealthy INFJs using Fe as a means to an end/pushing ppl on the direction they need for their Goals rather than to connect personally with people fits

ESFP junpei & aoi are, once again, SO satisfying, because despite being the same type they lean unhealthy in different ways. aoi’s in a SeTe loop where he skips Fi in favor of Te— literally putting aside his personal morals in favor of figuring out and enacting solutions, which is his whole THING with the second nonary game prep. with junpei, meanwhile, you can pry his Fi off his cold dead body. when i write junpei, i make him slip into delusions when he’s extremely stressed and at the end of his rope, desperate to make ultimately fruitless connections to give anything meaning— which aligns perfectly with a Ni grip, overrelying on intuition. (additionally, unhealthy Se doms relying on indulgence as a form of escapism checks out w junpei’s alcoholism)

still unsure about ENFJ carlos, not because anything’s glaringly wrong but because i did it all by myself and haven’t had much feedback on it. a few interesting notes though are that he’d have the same functions as akane just in a different order (FeNiSeTi instead of NiFeTiSe); love the Fe dom, and i gotta say Ni really just feels like a fucking esper function. either way, it reflects his reliance on his gut instincts and tendency to jump to conclusions, even if his priority is The Group.

tossing around ideas for sigma! kit suggested ENFJ as well for him, and while im not sure yet, an inferior Ti grip does wonders to explain dr klim’s behavior; his dom Fe and inf Ti working together would give this attitude of “ends justify the means, this logical end that technically benefits others means im going to be callous about the feelings of the people caught in the crossfire”; so, see: kyle

ngl im just super pumped about drawing parallels through personality typing between akane and carlos / junpei and aoi, it’s SO interesting; akane and carlos both as ennea 1s with different wings and xNFJs, aoi and junpei as 7w8 and 8w7 respectively but both ESFPs. it’s fucking poetic.

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

Hey, i was the one who sent the “why do you think IxFJs cant be 5s” and to be honest I talked about ISFJs as well mostly to avoid sounding one of those “fuck you if you don’t think im an INFP 8w7 choleric slytherin” anons or something similar lol. I was mostly thinking about how a INFJ who uses Ni-Ti would at the very minimum resemble the 5 behaviour patterns.

The “only feels stuff after solving the problem” really is wrong, sorry about that. I remembered reading something about how 5s have kind of delayed emotional responses and must have used the terms people use to describe Te types and as you said 5s are hardly really problem solvers lol. I did that because I’m not used to like seriously “arguing” about typology in English. I do see myself as a INFJ 5w4 (granted, I think I have a very strong 4 as the heart type on my tritype.

I reached the conclusion that I’m a 5 rather than a 4-core because while I’m very emotional and have a strong “not like the other dudes” problem I feel like it doesn’t truly “define” my most deep fears, you know? While I always feel like an outsider and different from other people and I kind like feeling this my biggest fears have always been related to not being competent enough to solve any problems I come across, plus my disintegration/integration patterns are much more akin to the 5 ones:

I have a very big problem in “acting” in the real world and have been at times avoidant in problem situations. As you said, withdrawing to analyze (even if it doesn’t come naturally to me as it would to a Ti-dom lol) , the only times in my life that I felt like I had the ability to do so were when I was most confident, and when I’m stressed I isolate and feel I cannot rely on anyone but myself (an opposite from the 4>2 disintegration).

I also have a very big “hoarding” problem in an exaggerated SP sense of “I need more than enough to make sure nothing important will be lacking to me”, I’m very much frugal because I’m afraid of not being to support myself and I hate (and fear) depending on others more than anything else. I was actually very confused about if was an INFJ for quite some time because I feel like because of my 5 type I don’t really fit into the “empathetic, eternally patient and socially gracious therapist”

stereotype since I’m very much judgmental and socially isolated. I actually I thought I was an ISTP (even though my se is completely non-existent) for the longest time because I knew nothing about FE outside of stereotypes. Many of the asks about Fe you received on the last few days came from me, sorry lol. I’m sorry if I didn’t explain it properly, this was the first time I took the time to actually describe my reasoning on my type in detail (in a foreign language no less haha) 

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Hi anon,

I really cannot tell your type from this for either enneagram or MBTI - I know a language barrier can be difficult but almost everything here is about the types you’re talking about and integration disintegration and comparing yourself to different types and there’s very little here that’s actually about you, as a person, without all the surrounding language of MBTI. INFJ could be possible and 5 could be as well, but honestly you could be like half the types from what’s here.

The things that I could strip away from the MBTI language are:

- very emotional; examples or more detail would be useful. Do you feel deeply but not express it much? Are you outwardly very emotional and demonstrative? are you very sensitive to criticism? and so on.

- strong ‘not like other dudes’ tendency, for which I’d appreciate some elaboration; this does happen with 4 a lot but it’s also age specific (lots of teens/young adults go through a phase) or context (are you in an academic/professional field with a lot of macho behavior? Are you trying to express something unique in yourself you haven’t been allowed to in the past?)

-for the fear of incompetence, if you keep going, is that where it stops? Is the fear “I won’t be able to solve a problem and I will be incapable and useless?” or does it keep going to “I won’t be able to solve a problem and people relying on me will be hurt”?

-avoidant in problem situations - do you withdraw to analyze and learn more about that problem, or do you avoid thinking about it all together?

-5 withdrawal is a sign of low confidence - when you’re feeling more confident, you should be withdrawing to analyze less, not more. What do you do when you aren’t feeling confident? How do you behave then?

-feeling stressed and like you can only rely on yourself is something I associate a lot more with disintegration into 4 from 1. 5 disintegration into 7 tends to become fragmented and unfocused more so than feeling like you’re the only one you can trust.

-You mention a fear of being dependent on others more than anything else. Is it that, or is it incompetence? Are these two things connected in your mind?

- while it’s true high Fe users aren’t the patient and empathetic therapist, they also do tend to be fairly comfortable with some degree of interdependence.

This probably didn’t help you find out your type, and again, this doesn’t rule out INFJ and/or 5, but based on what you’ve said neither of those sounds definitive. Hopefully these questions will help in guiding some more introspection though, and in considering other possibilities.

[itsme-isfp]

Friendship: ENTP + ISFP

So here’s the thing: my best friend is an ENTP.  We share a mutual love of MBTI but haven’t been able to find much out there on the internet about friends of our personality types.  Occasionally we’ll come across the “odd MBTI pairs that work” posts that throw us together, but otherwise there doesn’t seem to be much love for the ENTP + ISFP pairing, or even intuitive + sensor pairings in general.  In light of this, we thought it would be fun to write some content of our own! We sat down for a couple of hours came up with some thoughts about why our friendship works so well (also it was fun to giggle and appreciate each other).

(For those who are curious, we’re an ISFP female, 3w4 and ENTP male, 8w7. ENTP blogs @theminiatureguy​)

Strengths

ENTP: FUN BUDDIES! This ain't no STJ pair over here. We love exploring new places, experiences, and fun times! ISFP is especially good at helping me with this. She’ll constantly suggest new ideas (her new thing is food) for me to try that I wouldn't think to consider trying.

I mean this is just a benefit for me, but she is great with clothing, hair, and looking sharp - which is an area where I’m 100% clueless - so that’s a huge perk.

ISFP: We’re partners in crime. I like to think we’re the dream team in terms of having great ideas and turning them into reality.  He’s good at coming up with novel solutions.  I’m able to take his ideas and go, okay, how do we make this happen? One of the most rewarding things we do is plan social events together.  He’s great at coming up with a concept and getting people together.  I’m the one who makes sure that the other little details get taken care of.  

ENTP: We both are open minded on our conversations. When we are challenged on our opinions or beliefs we generally are open minded to consider the other’s ideas or opinions.

We have taken the time to really learn and understand each other. We care about the other enough that we constantly seek to learn and understand each other better and better. Because of this we have learned how to care for each other in ways that are uniquely special and meaningful to each other. I’ve learned to pick up on when she needs a gentle back rub or arm touch to remind her everything’s okay and to provide meaningful reminders of her worth when she’s stressed, and to offer full on long secure cuddles with silence when she’s really tired out and just needs to recuperate.  She’s in turn picked up on reminding me that I am useful and do have value even when I feel I’ve fallen short.

ISFP: Adding to this, I really appreciate how thoughtful ENTP can be.  Whether it’s asking me if I need some time alone to process, or reminding me to eat (because I forget, all the time).  He goes out of his way to be in tune with what’s going on in my life and watch out for me.  His insatiable thirst for knowledge definitely works in my favor because he’s always asking questions and working to understand me better :) I really enjoy that he trusts me and lets me into places of his mind and heart that he doesn’t share with other people.  He won’t say this, but he deserves someone to have his back and support him too.  

ENTP: We both bring strengths to the relationship that aren’t anywhere on the other person’s radar. She reminds me almost constantly to consider things from a spiritual or emotional view that I will blow past 9/10 times. This is a huge blessing for me as it helps me to really focus and center myself on what really matters. I like to think that I offer some creative problem solving and critical reasoning but you’d have to ask her to find out if that’s true or just my ego speaking ;)

ISFP: Nah, I totally agree with this. ENTP is great at recognizing when I’m stuck inside my head or experiencing tunnel vision in regard to how I’m handling my emotions or my outlook on my circumstances.  He’s unafraid to call me out on it and explain why my thinking is irrational.  He also has my back in the area of romantic attachments and is able to pick up on potential problems much faster than me - he sees things I overlook when I rely on my feelings.

ENTP: I don’t know if this is an Fi thing, but she loves and cares for me in a unique way no one else really does. It’s refreshing how caring and understanding she can be in a really unobtrusive way. I’ve had several other close friends, even higher Fe users like INFJ and ENFJ, but none of them really love in a way that’s not kinda pushy. When INFJ says “I’ll be here if you need me” it feels weird and standoffish, but when my ISFP palie says the same thing I know she’s really there for me.

Laughter, there’s a lot of laughter and laughter is good. There are other friendships where things aren’t nearly as loose or free to be silly and funny and having that with her is really a huge blessing. Especially when you consider that we both love to laugh and have a good time snickering or just being plain silly.

ISFP: Oh yeah, we’re silly and sassy all the time. It’s one of the great perks of being no filter buddies. We goof off and tease each other constantly. Things like having inside jokes about other people behind their backs or making faces and snickering at each other in serious meetings. He makes life fun!

ENTP: People seem to think ISFPs are simple or dumber than other types but lemme tell you, this gal is wicked smart. I’m often flabbergasted by her ability to add a simple “what about this?” to whatever I’m considering that makes total sense and drastically enhances whatever plan I was considering.

Struggles

ENTP: Our senses of humor can be quite different at times. Whereas mine tends to be based on relating different concepts, or turning words around to play with them, hers tends to be more based on sounds or instances in our environment.

ISFP: Yeah, we tend to miss each other in the moment sometimes. I think most of it relates to us just being so different in how we perceive the world around us and process information.  His need to “understand all the things now!” can be a little too intense for me. I frustrate him when I’m quiet during a rough time and bottle up my thoughts and feelings.  Just being real here; we don’t have that picture perfect friendship where we’re 100% in tune all the time and there’s never ever conflict.  We do fight and hurt each other sometimes.  The good news is that these fights are pretty far and few between - and we do our best to look out for each other, which means that we talk through misunderstandings before they blow up into something bigger.

Why it works

ISFP: We’ve made a mutual commitment to be 100% honest with each other. Which, in the moment means we’re free to spout out whatever goofy or snarky thoughts come into our heads, but also gives us the freedom during serious talks to call each other out on our bullshit in a loving way.  

ENTP here now, but no filter buddies is like the best thing ever! I’m used to constantly biting my tongue or holding thoughts back because they tend to be rude or out of place to most people but she does a great job at accepting, and often joining in my goofy/random/weird thoughts. As an added bonus, no-filter buddies means we don’t have to worry about hidden meanings or assumptions, we can just up and ask if something is wrong and trust for the truth.

ISFP: We defined the relationship early on, which gives us the basis to set boundaries and know what to expect from each other. ENTP and I aren’t dating and don’t intend to be romantically involved any time in the future. Agreeing that we want to keep things platonic early on has been very, very helpful. I don’t have to worry about accidentally leading him on, or reading too much into every little thing he says.  

ENTP: We accept each other unconditionally, never letting a mistake or flaw of the other discredit them from our love/acceptance.

ISFP: We work through conflict and try to talk it through sooner than later.  The purpose is to understand why it happened, how the other person was affected, and how we can best support each other going forward. This one is the most challenging for me, because I like to have time and space to process strong emotions, while ENTP prefers to know what is going on right away and resolve things as quickly as possible.

But yeah, what ENTP said about unconditional acceptance is huge. Most of the time we disagree, it’s just because we’re looking at things differently.  Having this mindset is so helpful because it forces us to slow down and listen...and often find that we’re actually on the same page after all.  In the end, whether or not we always agree on something, we put the friendship first. Having him in my life is more important than having the picture-perfect bestie, although I couldn’t ask anyone better.  :) 

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Voltron Cast vs. Personality types

Feel free to add & correct

Lance

Very Clearly ESxx. He’s practically “Extrovert problems” incarnate, poor boi, just wants to be liked & accepted.  

I’d say he has some Fe there but the degree of inappropriate jokes vs value judgements/policing suggests tertiary rather than dominant. ESTP then. 

Pretty much that common Fi PolR/ Fe tert problem of not realizing your own inclinations & opinions of yourself “count” & therefore  looking for external validation a lot. Adding to that is his crazy aim & knack for planning sneaky strategies on the fly, also he once mentioned he has a hard time sleeping if he gets all pumped off, having so much energy it needs to be burned off is a common Se dom issue, as is his concern with looks, status & “finer pleasures” & his competitive streak.

He’s an inert subtype, and enneagram wise he’s such an obvious 3w2 someone who never saw the show could tell just from me reblogging posts about him. He keeps making up roles for himself to play (”cool ninja sharpshooter”) & hoping they catch on with the others, though there’s also an angle of wanting to contribute & be needed. 

imma venture soc/sx but im not adamant on this.  Sanguine classic. 

Also very obvious oldham Inventive with sprinklings of Devoted and Dramatic. He’s also a dead-ringer Mercury-Venus. Also probably Thunderbird.

Gryffindor or Hufflepuff tho? There would probaby be hatstall, but ultimately I feel he would be a “grow into it” Gryffindor. 

The Red Lion only takes them Gryffindors BTW. Come on. Bravery? honor? No self-preservation? Likewise, the green Lion only takes Ravenclaws and the Yellow one only takes hufflepuffs. The recipe is probably more complicated with the other two tho. 

Hunk

The most obvious ISFJ to ever SiFe. 

He’s cautious & prefers the familiar, a good judge of character & may need to see things with their own eyes to grasp their full scope, but also has a big heart cares a lot. Hasthat “inferior Ne panic reaction” too. 

You kinda also see the “dexterous/practical” side of Si with his being a mechanic. The makers have described the contrast between him and pidge as the “figure it out & think it up” side of engineering vs the “buid it & make it work” side of it  which is basically N vs. S in a nutshell. 

Inert Subtype. Pudwudkie Hufflepuff. Nuff said. A 9w1, probably, though with a notable 6w5 fix. sp/soc. Phlegmatic. Venus. Clearly has some Sensitive style in him but he’s not all that shy & fluttery so there’s probably some stabilizing influence there. Not wholly sure if it’s some Leisurely or something else

Allura

Preddy much ESTJ. Brave, dutiful, action-oriented, bossy, fortright, yells a lot, can be rigid sometimes, we know the drill.   

Contact subtype. Mars-Jupiter af. srly that’s just a holistic sumup of her character.  Choleric. (ChlorSan prolly) 2w1  soc/sp? I do think soc  is right & she does have that “politcian-y” quality.  

She’s ever the altrustic helper ready to put her life in danger, insists they answer every distress call,  and has this ‘diplomatic important organization leader’ thing going on that social 2s do.The w1 also manifests as back & white or oversimple thinking at times.

Oldham wise it’s hard, something of a pronounced mixed/intereference pattern with both Self-Sacrifcing and Aggressive in the mix.

Wampus.  I see why someone might say Slytherin but I’m sticking with Gryffindor for now.

Pidge

This one is kinda easy.

INTP 5w6. Ravenclaw. Horned Serpent. Lunar. sp/soc. IDK bout vertical subtype but she rambles/blurts more than she snarks/criticises so I’m saying contact. 

Less sure ‘bout oldham though there’s probably some Vigilant, though not, like, sharp excess.

Imma run with melancholic b/c she’s definitely not pure Phlegmatic or Supine. MelPhleg perhaps. 

Shiro

Apparently there has been a case of “the fan-favorite is always INFJ” (TF?) but I think most of us will agree that he has Te - he’s goot at handing out tasks, managing people, coming up with courses of action...

He rocks that tert Fi too in that he’s a good listener & tries to further the other’s personal developement. 

We often think of natural leaders as extroverts but ISTJ is prolly the introvert most likely to become head-of-state. He just fits the overall patterns of ISTJ: Dilligent, put-together (when he can help it), great integrity, perceptive with details & able to use comparision with past experiences to kick butt in the present (Like when he timed the Sentry Drones’ rounds), though he does’t have the elbowy agression/striving of other TJ-types, and he’s a morning person too. 

He’s probably a contact subtype. Temperament wise he’d be one of those few where I’d be tempted to call ‘balanced/Leukine’, but if I didn’t I’d say ChlorPhleg comes the closest.  1w9 af, prolly sp/soc with a degree of both personalperfectionism & mentoring others present, and also feeling overly responsible for everything. 

Oldham wise an obvious conscientious type. 

While he’d sure have some gryffindor potential, his firm belief in teamwork & humility would probaby land him in Hufflepuff.- Think Cedric Diggory who was also a sort of prodigy. Though he is probably also very much a Wampus.

Also, he’s a classic, archetypical pure Saturn type. Actually, I believe at least partially saturnyne personalities are the Black Lion’s thing. Still not sure how Blue’s could be quantified, apart from possibly favoring extroverts, but that’s probably by design. 

Keith

Mai Spicy Boi! . 

I’m just gonna flat out say that he cannot be anything other than a contact subtype Se auxillary. Just look at all that Se! That’s about as much of the stuff as you can possibly cram into an introvert. 

He’s got sharp senses & reflexes, often reacts to opportunities, observations and impressions in the moment (and very often it’s a deliberate risk that works out - he’s not just “hotheaded” or “not thinking”, but he’s thinking about things to do or investigate, not so much what happens next. ) & improvised, didn’t really have longterm plans after flunking out, He also very much has the ‘decisive’ and agressive side of Se though I wouldn’t call him dominant. 

And I’m saying ISTP over ISFP b/c the Se itself seems a sufficient explanation for his reactive nature,and then there’s general lack of people skills, solitary mode of operation & difficulty with group work (not a shred of Te not even inferior) 

Also, when he’s actually thinking rather than just waltzing in guns blazing, he very much has task-oriented, detached impersonal reasoning  “But can we afford to save the princess? It’s not about the glory. The cause is bigger than any of us.” He’s also very much the cynic of the group or the one most inclined to see things in shades of grey rather than black & whites. 

I doublechecked this to make sure I’m not just assuming him to be a Ti dom b/c he’s my fav character, but ‘ISTP’ really seem to summarize his character & much of the metas written about him very well.

Soo... is he a cp 6? a sp4? An 8? Probably all of those, they don’t call that the “tripple reactive” tritype for nothing but coretype wise I’d put him very much in the action triad as a 8w7, that’s not even all that uncommon for ISTPs. He’s also very distinctly soc blind,(which may explain why he doesn’t really manifest the dominant part of the 8, but he’s very much got the every-man-for-himself, rely-on-no-one rebel part of it, as well as the characteristic problem with backing down/shelving arguments though the other fixes, again, don’t help.  ) not sure if sx/sp or sp/sx, on the one hand he’s...tempestuous, on the other he spent a year as a desert hermit and found itpleasantly calm, at least in part, so if pressed I’d go with sp/sx, also because of his tedency to hold himself apart from the group somewhat without much indication that it’s a conscious choice. 

Oldham wise he’s got some adventurous & some vigilant but also some sort of more emotionally juicy counterpoint to that without which he’d have a lot more hostile unconcern. He’s not clingy enough for Mercurial tho so I’m vaguely at a loss. 

He’s got some more maturity to acquire there but I do think there’s very much a Saturn-Mars underneath it all. Certainly NOT as thought-through as a pure saturn and with no shortage on the action but he does have momentzs of somberness and nuanced understanding.  Very much fits both the archetype of the ‘rugged doer’ and the ‘powerful, cause-oriented person’. though he still has some work to do on the ‘inspiring others’ part. 

Gryffindor, no 2 ways about it. (Some have suggested Slytherin because he’s the “edgy” one but honestly I don’t see that at all. He has zero interest in personal glory or the ‘in-group’ & doesn’t seem to think of himself as special though he would very much have the grounds to do so.) 

The real question is: Wampus or Thunderbird tho?

Coran

Clearly has both Ne (wackyness and quirkyness) and Si (storytime! “Proper” Traditionalist), and too much for either to be the inferior. 

Since he doesn’t seem like a Ne auxillary, that leaves us with ESFJ by principle of exclusion, like he kinda has the chattynes & is always helping with everything & taking all the duties. Probably a contact subtype. 

Hufflepuff for similar reasons. IDK bout Ilvermony but he does have an adventurous side that did shenanigans with the previous paladins, so probably Thunderbird. 

Out of the enneagram types that commonly occur in ExSJ, 9 seems the likeliest, he’s nor dramatic enough for a core type in the emotional triad. I’d say he also has a 7w6 fix somewhere. Also he’s probably soc-first... and in hindsight actualy acts alot like a textbook social 9, working a lot to support the community while not taking the spotlight himself. 

Oldham wise I’d postulate a Dramatic-Devoted mix.

Essence type made me think for a bit i had several inconclusive kneejerk reactions but imma stick with Jupiter for now.

Zarkon

Well, another ESTJ, prolly an inert subtype tho. 

Pretty much your standard evil overlord/ Te dom villain, though he’s more an enforcer than someone who does a lot of lecturing like when he does it’s usually to-the-point, plus he was sorta repressed in his youth & seemingly a strict traditionalist. 

Also a very obvious Aggressive type (complete with the comon constellation where the spouse can deal with & accept that that but the kid’s can’t & regular teenage rebellion ends in dramatic estrangement), like, he would not be questioned even by his best friend even long before he went nuts enough to randomly murder ppl for talking back to him.

You could deem him an  8w9 and a Saturn for similar reasons though he evidently incorporates the more negative aspects of that... though he did have a “protective-responsible” side before things got too sour.

Ovsly Slytherin (& wampus), methinks the whole imperial family would be one those dynastic Slytherin families for all their differences. 

Haggar

I found her hard to get a read on for the first two seasons, but with the backstory reveal I think I can conclude INTx, see the whole lightning speech & the whole “Think of the Potential!” attitude, also her being a misanthropic cat lady & sassing Alfor to his face (”customary gesture”) way before things went all sour.

I am less sure here, but out of the two options INTP is more likely because I think I see more indications for SiFe than for FiSe. Her present day self is markedly more cautious than she was in her younger days. She minimally toys with her victims for effect (Poor Shiro) and has this pretty honest devotion & concern for Zarkon, though she seems content subordinating herself to him, though she has this dourish Si-Ti bubble-popping, “Yeah sure but be cautious” attitude especially in interaction with Lotor & Zarkon.  

Beyond that, i’d say that she is a very clearly an inert subtype, a Serious-primary and probably some fashion of 5w6 (by principle of exclusion). Slytherin & Horned Serpent. What else would a mad science shadow empress space witch possbly be? Might be Lunar but don’t really have a good read there

Lotor

Some kind of NF, ENFJ if I had to guess. Not his father indeed, though still quite ExxJ. He has the charme, he has a planning, analytic quality underneath, but while he had ambition the more fundamental motivation seems to be to enarn recognition to prove himself.

sx/soc 7, glorious, extra with lots of plumage, certainly very self-interested when it comes down but you could totally picture him just chilling with his henchladies & preferring a ‘personal’ environment/inner circle though he can totally work crowds like clay. 

Self-Confident with a tinge of Exuberant perhaps. 

Slytherin Thunderbird. 

Perhaps what an antagonistic Solar Type looks like. He’s got charme, he’s got loftiness and big goals he works hard to accomplish and little hesitation to put his own person out on the field  but he’s sorta the very opposite of naive, very much a planner and going all road runner on poor Keith. Come to think of it,one could make a good case for him as a Solar-Saturn. 

As for the Generals/henchladies we’ve only seen bits & pieces of them so far all we can really tell is that Narti and Acxa are introverts while Zethrid and Ezor are extroverts, but Imma risk a guess based on rough vibes/ intuition:

Ezor: ESFP Narti: ISTP Acxa: ISTJ Zethrid: ESTJ

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Moonlight lovers MBTI+Enneagram

Vladimir: ISTJ 1w9 163 Raphael: INFP 9w1 946 Beliath: ESTP 7w8 738 Ethan: ENTP 8w7 873 Aaron: ISTP 9w8 962 Ivan: ISFP 6w7 cp(he’s my least favorite so i don’t really know for sure) 649 Neil: EXTJ 8 

Some things i know for sure: Raphael is not an INFJ, he literally is a living Fi-Si axis, he has no Ni at all, the biggest thing with him is that’s he’s stuck in his own subjective sentimentalism and impressions of his experiences Beliath and Ethan have pretty bad tertiary Fe that develops in the end of their routes (EXTP) Neil is not an enneagram 3w4, i’ve explained in another post, i can see why he would be inferior Fi, but we’ve seen little about him, i’m just sure he’s a 8, probably 8w9 I don’t see why Ivan is typed as INFP, he doesn’t seem to have any Ne-Si, he’s pretty straightfoward and takes things as they come (Se), doesn’t really value the capabilities of brainstorming or dweling into the inconscious, I understand why 6w5 but i think it’s just because he’s shy and isolated, he’s very out there with his reactiveness (6w7), and he’s counterphobic because while exposed to fear, he attacks to protect himself instead of running away like a phobic 6 About Aaron, i know very little about him, i can see the arguments about inferior Fe and ISTP seems reasonable to me, since i see no Ne-Si for him to be an INTP, but i don’t see why he would be 9w1 instead of 9w8 since 9w8s are more relaxed and go-with-the-flow while comparing him with Raphael who’s 9w1, is more “rigid” and self-critical, contrary to popular belief it isn’t 9w8=agressive 9w1=meek The only one i could see being XNTJ is Neil, not because he’s manipulative and a villain but because i see pretty bad Fi and overwhelming Te, i’ve seen some people typing Vladimir or Ethan as INTJ and i don’t see any Ni, especially dominant: i’ve talked about Vlad before and Ethan’s main function is not introverted or subjective