#jeff riggs

[giveamadeuschohisownmovie]

Looking back at the older Saw movies, I’m wondering now if the series would have a better reputation if it had been treated more like an anthology. Because the two best movies in the franchise (1 and X) are the ones that could stand on their own, while the lower-tier ones are the ones that deal with the convoluted timeline.

I’m thinking something along the lines of Scream in which it’s the “same” villain, Jigsaw, but with different people in the role. There was a different Ghostface in every Scream movie, which worked for that franchise. Maybe Saw could’ve done it like that.

In fact, just off the top of my head, here’s how Saw could’ve looked as a semi-anthology:

Saw 1

* It’s the same

Saw 2

* It’s mostly the same, but John Kramer has to die at the end of it (he probably dies from Eric Matthews’ beatings). Saw 2 ends conclusively, as if this was the end of the franchise.

Saw 3

* Takes place two years later.

* Jeff and Lynn Denlon are the subjects.

* The story is centered around a copycat Jigsaw, who is revealed to be Amanda Young. Amanda secretly became John’s apprentice and has now taken his place.

* Amanda escapes at the end.

Saw 4

* Takes place simultaneously as 3.

* Daniel Rigg is the subject.

* Here, it’s revealed that Amanda was working with someone, meaning there were 2 copycat Jigsaws the whole time. The ending reveals that the 2nd copycat is Mark Hoffman, one of the lead detectives.

* Mark gets away and picks up Amanda, who has just left the game from the previous movie.

(NOTE: I want to emphasize that even though this takes place at the same time as 3, this movie is meant to be seen as a standalone. You don’t have to watch 3 to understand 4 is what I mean)

Saw 5

* Takes place a few weeks later, brings together the events of 3 and 4.

* Amanda and Hoffman put together a new game (the five-become-one teamwork trap) while trying to avoid the police.

* The movie ends with Hoffman betraying Amanda and shooting her dead, only for him to fall for one of Amanda’s booby traps (the closing walls trap that killed Strahm). So, 5 ends with Hoffman getting smushed as Amanda bleeds to death.

Saw 6

* Takes place a few years after 4 and 5.

* Detective Zeke Banks is the subject.

* A new Jigsaw copycat - also known as the Spiral Killer, to distinguish them from the other Jigsaws - pops up. The ending reveals that the new Jigsaw/Spiral is William Schenk, one of the detectives working the case.

* Schenk gets away with his crimes, setting up the 7th movie.

Saw 7

* A direct continuation of the 6th movie.

* William Easton is the subject, but has more of an involvement with Jigsaw/Schenk.

* Schenk dies at the end of it, but not before taking Easton down with him.

Saw 8

* Takes place a year after 6 and 7.

* The subjects are Bobby Dagen, his wife Jill Tuck-Dagen, and their family and friends.

* First twist: Just like the original series, Jill is revealed to be John’s ex-wife.

* Second twist: This Jigsaw is revealed to be Melissa Sing and that the reason why she’s testing Bobby, Jill, their family and their friends is vengeance for her husband’s death (Detective Steven Sing).

* Bobby and Jill survive while Melissa is arrested at the end.

Saw 9

* At least takes place several years after the 1st movie. The timeline isn’t as important for this one.

* Revealed that Dr. Gordon from the first movie did survive since John saved his life. Instead of asking him to become his apprentice, John allows him to return to his life. However, his life since surviving the bathroom trap has been horrible, leading him down a downward spiral.

* Main story: When Gordon learns his colleagues have been involved in a scam targeting the terminally ill, disgusted by their actions, he decides to put them through a series of brutal tests.

* Basically, in this alternate timeline, Gordon became a Jigsaw copycat through his own volition rather than John recruiting him.

* Gordon escapes at the end and decides to retire from the Jigsaw role.

Saw 10

* Takes place a few weeks after the 9th movie.

* Focuses on a manhunt for a Jigsaw copycat (assumed to be Gordon). It’s only at the end that we learn Gordon was in an entirely different state during the events of this movie.

* The new Jigsaw is revealed to be Logan Nelson, the coroner who appeared earlier in the movie. Since Melissa and Gordon were one-off Jigsaws, Logan is set up to be the new main Jigsaw.

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You can read the revised, semi-anthology timeline like this:

The John Kramer arc is 1 and 2

The Amanda and Hoffman arc is 3, 4, and 5

The Spiral Killer arc is 6 and 7

8 and 9 are standalone movies

10 is the beginning of the Logan Nelson arc

Even though the movies do lead into each other, the arcs are meant to stand on their own and the timeline is much less convoluted. Also, not everything ties back to John, which I feel would give the franchise more creative freedom.

[lightningcrashes]

lps i'd cast as saw characters :3 (cause i love combining fixations)

[fredbydawn]

I love how Jeff’s test in Saw III is all about Jigsaw trying to get him to let go of the past and forgive those who have wronged him, even though his family has been shattered as a result of their actions, and to face the hell he has been putting himself through

Meanwhile Rigg’s test (which is literally happening at the same time as Jeff’s test) is basically just

[puppyuserboxes]

Saw character userboxes (part 3, Saw 2006)

please do not get into discourse about whether or not you like the characters in the tags or replies!

[commander-krios]

24 touches prompts: Foreheads pressed together, a silent way to say “I’m here” for anyone who speaks up

Thank you! I ended up using this for an unexpected pairing. Joker from Mass Effect and an OC of mine, who ends up being his boyfriend for a few years in pre-canon.

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Jeff closed his eyes, ignoring the words on the datapad in his hands, trying to remember what it was he’d been reading. Something about pilot terminal data or black boxes or… he didn’t even know anymore. His brain had turned to mush hours ago from all of the information. But that wasn’t why he was sitting there on the couch, staring at the wall of his apartment.

Aurora’s message flashed in his mind: Finished N7. Just wanted to let you know. Ceremony is on Arcturus in a few weeks. If you want to come, I can send you an invite. I hope you’re doing alright, Jeff. I miss you.

Should he bother to respond? He hadn’t spoken to her in the last few years. An occasional message would find its way from her to him, mostly redacted by the Alliance depending on what she was doing. She was a big shot in the military, a Lieutenant Commander and apparently now an N7. He didn’t even know why she messaged him anymore.

With a sigh, he placed the datapad on the couch beside him, running his hands over his face. He should probably go to bed, he had to leave for Arcturus in the morning, his newest assignment and CO waiting to debrief him and introduce him to the crew and ship. Then they’d be shipping out for months, sleeping in an overcrowded bunk with communal showers and nosy ensigns. 

Instead of moving, he leaned into the cushions, trying to will his mind to stop spinning from the studying. Too much information with too little rest and then add on the emotional response he had to Aurora’s name flashing in his inbox, he was wiped out.

Fuck, he thought he was past the burning anger.

“Hey.”

Jeff’s gaze slid to find his boyfriend hovering in the doorway, long dark hair pulled out of his face, green eyes peering out of a lightly tanned face covered in freckles. The man who had snuck up on him years ago, who stole his heart before he even realized it. John Riggs was a man unlike any he’d ever known.

“Hey, you.” He replied, patting the cushion next to him in invitation. “Did I wake you?”

John shook his head, but the dark circles beneath his eyes betrayed him. He stifled a yawn before padding barefoot over to where Jeff waited. Then he collapsed onto the couch, throwing his feet on the coffee table in front of them… where the stacks of datapads waited, mocking him.

“You leave in a few hours. You sure you don’t want to get some sleep before then?” John absentmindedly brushed his fingers through Jeff’s shaggy hair and he closed his eyes at the touch, thinking about how much he was going to miss this. 

“I’d rather sit here with you. I can sleep on the shuttle.” Jeff wanted to do more than sit, but he was exhausted. John was right, of course, he should sleep. That was the smart thing to do.

Joker never said he was smart.

“Oh, so instead of sleeping, you’ll just make me listen to your complaints about how much your back hurts on our first vid call?” John chuckled, leaning closer to run his lips over Jeff’s unshaven face. “Now that’s true love.”

Jeff’s heart clenched at those words, knowing that during their many years as friends and the last two as a couple, that was one thing he hadn’t managed to utter. One of many things he needed to make up for. Clearing his throat, he rubbed the sleep from his eyes. It gave him a moment to gather his thoughts, to not make a complete idiot of himself.

 “I do, you know?”

John hummed, raising an eyebrow at him. Silence stretched between them before the words slipped from his mouth.

“I love you.”

John’s eyes lit up, a dazzling kaleidoscope of moss green and sky blue. He leaned in seconds later, pressing a soft kiss against Jeff’s lips. 

Despite the gentleness, it stole his breath from his lungs, leaving him dizzy yet yearning for more. It lasted only briefly, but John didn’t move away when the kiss ended, resting his forehead against Jeff’s. Peace existed in this small apartment on Elysium for him. A peace that he would crave no matter how far he was in the galaxy.

“I’ll be here when you get back, Jeff.” John mumbled against his lips, refusing to break contact. “Because I love you too.”

He blushed. He could feel the heat on his cheeks and neck, but he ignored it in favor of getting his fingers tangled in the mess of John’s curls, pulling him as close as he could manage. John laughed lightly, crawling onto the couch and following Jeff’s lips as he laid down, pulling John nearly on top of him.

Jeff stared up at him, memorizing the look of tender adoration in John’s eyes as he hovered, dark waves cascading around his face like a waterfall. He always saw the stars whenever John looked at him.

Sometimes he still didn’t know what it was that John saw in him.

Maybe it was the exhaustion or the message from Aurora, but he felt tears well up before he could stop them, before he could banish the emotion that lurked in his chest. “Why? You’re amazing and I’m just-”

With his voice breaking, Jeff closed his eyes, trying to ignore the painful lurch of his heart. 

John touched his eyelids gently, a single finger brushing the sensitive skin with featherlight caresses.. “Look at me, Jeff.”

Fighting the urge to say the hell with you and shun the request, Jeff pulled air through his nose, trying to push away the fear that clawed itself around his heart. The initial reaction was difficult to parse, but he was learning. Not everything was fight or flight anymore.

When he finally pried his eyes open, John was watching him fondly, his lips curling in a grin that always set Jeff aflame. His breath caught in his lungs as John leaned closer, a soft kiss touching his cheek. 

“I hope you meant to say something positive about yourself,” John murmured, lips trailing along his jaw before he paused at the curve of Jeff’s lips. “You are the most wonderful man I’ve ever met, Jeff Moreau. You need to stop selling yourself short.”

John laid a kiss on each corner of his mouth, his chin, before settling against his lips softly. 

There was no denying how hot John was (another reason he questioned their relationship nearly daily), but his tenderness, his sincerity, the love that he radiated with a smile, Jeff knew he was the luckiest man in the fucking galaxy.

“Hard to do around you.”

John chuckled, sitting up and bringing Jeff with him. He ended up settling onto John’s lap, arms wrapping around him. “I’m doing my job then.”

With a contented sigh, Jeff rested his head on John’s chest, snuggling into the warm and safe embrace of one of the only people he could count on. John held him close, and Jeff memorized everything about him: the smell of sea salt and lemon of his cologne, the strength of his arms as they held him, the constellations of freckles that marked the map of his skin, the soft ginger hair that trailed down his chest to his shorts. He lazily ran his hand down John’s chest, feeling his eyelids grow heavy.

He didn’t want to sleep, he had too much to do before 0500 came, but maybe he could rest here for a little while.

[thee-radio-host-is-a-kookaburra]

I suppose Jigsaw’s (+ apprentices) reasoning for putting seemingly innocent people in tests makes more sense when you consider their role in those tests. Like, yes, Jeff had a trial because his son died, but he was never really in any danger. It was the people he had to either save or kill that were the real ones in danger, and they actually did things. He was just the executioner. Same thing with Rigg. He was tested for wanting to save people, but he was never in any real danger (until Eric shot him at the end ig), he was just deciding other’s fates. Also happened with the mother and son in William’s trials. They were completely safe, but they just had to decide the fate of someone else who did do something wrong.

I mean, there are certainly instances where an innocent person is punished *cough cough* BOBBY DAGEN’S WIFE *cough cough* but i’m just explaining some examples that i see brought up a lot when talking about Jigsaw killing innocents

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[viovio]

well john was a rich white guy and not to look at things ethnically but america is a fuck and sometimes if you're white and are being oppressed by a system that's supposed to abide by you you feel cheated and then turn into the shadow skull

[imperaptorfuriosa]

did hoffman and john sit around and compare notes on people they didnt like, or what? because the fact that art blank was a thorn in both their sides feels like too big of a coincidence?

[motheroftheantichrist]

I hope that Saw XI takes place in that tiny window of time between the arrival of Strahm and Perez, and the start of Rigg and Jeff's games. It functions as a double workplace comedy with Hoffman Strahm, Perez, and the department as one plotline, and the Jigsquad as the other. the entire movie takes place in that one day. There isn't a single active trap, just a bunch of flashbacks and easter eggs for Saw III/IV traps as they're being built. Hoffman is insufferable in both plot lines.

[eavee-ry]

what total drama charas would you put in the saw bathroom?

in place of Adam and Lawrence, i’d put Cody (Adam) and Noah (Lawrence) and Lawrence’s wife could be Emma

idk here’s more casting or something

John Kramer - Chris

Jill Tuck - Blainely

Amanda Young - Gwen

Mark Hoffman - Alejandro

Lawrence Gordon - Noah

Adam Stanheight - Cody

Daniel Rigg - Trent

Peter Strahm - Duncan (listen i know ive lost it)

Lindsay Perez - Courtney

Brit Stevenson - Heather

Mallick Scott - DJ

Lynn Denlon - Bridgette

Jeff Denlon - Geoff (🏃‍♀️💨)

Zep Hindle - Ezekiel

Luba Gibbs - Leshawna

Ashley Kazon - Zoey

Charles Salomon - Harold

[giveamadeuschohisownmovie]

Another thing I liked about “Saw X” (seriously, highly recommend):

The whole premise behind the “Saw” franchise is that Jigsaw goes after people who no longer value their own lives or the lives of other people. That’s why we have characters like Dr. Gordon, who lacked empathy for his patients and took his family for granted, and Detective Matthews, who threw innocent people in prison and was unable to show affection for his son.

But as the movies went on, the reasons behind certain people being tested were a stretch. You have Rigg, who was obsessed with…saving people? There was that carousel of people getting shot, even though they were just office workers. Speaking as someone who works in insurance, it’s not like people in this industry are actively trying to get sick people killed. And then there’s the whole Jeff Denlon arc, in which the victims did questionable things, but weren’t necessarily evil people/people who didn’t value life. I know Jigsaw is the villain and he’s not supposed to be justifiable, but there’s clearly a method behind his madness. Gordon and Matthews made sense, but the people after them raised some questions.

That’s why I liked for “Saw X”, the victims were scammers who preyed on the terminally ill. It felt like a return to form since it’s not hard to see why Jigsaw would go after these people. You don’t have to do mental gymnastics here to figure out why these people don’t value life. Even without the personal vendetta element, these are absolutely the kind of people who fit Jigsaw’s M.O..

[johnnyutah]

average adam faulkner stanheight fan: if adam isn’t in saw xi we riot! @lionsgate @kevingruetert @jameswan #adamlives #justiceforadam #corpseinconsistencies

average john kramer fan: What people don’t realize about John, is he’s such a genius that even when he makes mistakes, he planned on making the mistakes. He is the greatest villain of all time

average jill tuck fan: Appreciation post for the Women of Saw 🩷 [the same ten photos that get posted once a week]

average lawrence gordon fan: last night i watched a 2004 tv movie about serial killers called ‘the riverman’, followed by the cheesy family rom-com ‘a castle for christmas’. today my friends and i are going to binge the entire third season of netflix’s ‘stranger things’. none of us have seen a single episode of the rest of the show and we don’t plan on it. then we might rewatch ‘another country’ together

average amanda young fan: sorry i haven’t been online in 4 weeks i’ve been too busy trying to get the new pig cosmetic in the rift [posted 7 weeks ago]

average mark hoffman fan: [underneath a gifset of costas mandylor in a republican christian propaganda ‘sci-fi’ movie] #hes so fucking hot #i would give anything to put him in a sports bra and make him do jumping jacks in front pf me i would literally do #ANYTHING #i need to make him into a marionett and fist him lol

average daniel rigg fan: Here’s a quick low effort doodle I did of Daniel! I just love him so much ❤️ [a literal masterpiece, the best art you’ve ever seen in your entire life] [3 notes]

average allison kerry fan: i am hardcore attached to ONE ship which is probably either allison/amanda or allison/lindsey and my whole blog is devoted to them. there are dozens of us DOZENS

average lynn denlon fan: okay so i know bahar is a realtor now but in her last instagram post where she’s congratulating her son on some new achievement, both the first and last words in the post have 11 letters, AND there’s an X and an I visible in the background of her post 👀?? is this a reach???

average jeff denlon fan: No seriously let me finish seriously when you compare him to the other shitty men in Saw he’s NOT that b

average david tapp fan: i’m 39k away from publishing my 40k tappsing Everybody Lives AU <3 this is going to be epic [account has been deactivated for an indeterminate amount of time]

average brit stevenson and mallick scott fan: Hey I stayed up making this instead of writing my thesis paper for grad school. Here’s a 30,000 word document about the implications of Brit’s promotion within the Marshford group and how it would lead to her eventual demise and also how she rose to the top in her group. It also delves into her relationship with Mallick, whose existence, I believe, is an obvious literary reference to an ancient Roman play read by only me and three other people currently alive. I translated relevant passages and included them in my work. I got understimulated around page 8 so I did take a break to pierce myself in the same spot that I believe Mallick would have a piercing. If you read my fics on AO3 you will already be familiar with the location.

average peter strahm fan: haha peter does CRACK cocoaine haha i think he sniffeds some drugs! why else would he be so MANIC HYPER CRAZY!!! i love my crazy JUNKIE man LOL get him some andderall STAT!! if hoffman didn’t kill him the SPEED certianly would of! LOL!

average lindsey perez fan: i love lindsey perez i’m such a big fan of the character lindsey perez

average matt gibson fan: i literally would eat garbage out of a dumpster

average ezekiel banks fan: holy shit i just finished spiral what a good movie what the hell!!! what a cool addition to the saw universe! i bet everybody else loves this as much as i do! let me take a big drink of water as i check tumblr dot com to see all the nice things people will have to say about darren lynn bousman’s Spiral

average william schenk fan: my hobbies include: being a fujoshi,

average cecelia pederson fan: [pic of cecelia yanking on the metal loop around her neck and smirking] https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vT3f5IIzt5PG-M7G9_Z-gjY4gZaiUneTdMlYrFAcdBGcJo0-N-RDQcj2JfxOaBTxKa6J_DiDQNgqVpg/pub

average logan jigsaw fan: What people don’t realize about John, is he’s such a genius that even when he makes mistakes, he planned on making the mistakes. He is the greatest villain of all time

[koriand3r]

im 4 movies in and this is what i took away from saw iii/saw iv

Dear Billy,

By the time you read this, I will be dead. This is how I think it's going to happen: Amanda will shoot Lynn. Then Jeff will enter and shoot Amanda and I'll get Saw™ed in the neck by Jeff. Lynn will get head exploded for good measure. Then Agent Strahm will come in and shoot Jeff multiple times.

Love, your father John

P.S. Simultaneously in a different room, Officer Rigg will enter and be shot by Detective Matthews. Then Matthews' head will get exploded too. Then Rigg will shoot Art.

P.P.S. Hoffman will just be sitting sluttily in the background during all this.

[your-friendly-neighbourh00d-fag]

okay im having Thoughts about peter strahm. like, he's one of the smartest characters in the whole series. he figured out the jigsaw case so quickly, the whole 'amanda young is too small, she never could have gotten kerry up there alone, jigsaw had another accomplice' etc etc.

but on the other side of the same coin, he's fucking dumb. he dies not because he wasn't intelligent enough to get out of the trap, but because he had too much hubris. he thought he knew better, he thought he could beat the game. and that was ultimately what killed him. his pride. its like. yes he was smart enough to get out of the water cube, that was a very quick move. but he wouldn't have been in the water cube if he'd had enough sense to leave. strahm had john's corpse, an unedited tape that tied the whole thing back to john, and both the rooms with mandy, lynn and jeff and riggs, matthews and art blank. there was so much evidence. he could have just walked away, but he didn't.

and that's what makes him such a compelling character.

[brokenfuturerpg]

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