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mrslackles · 4 years

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"TLDR: If you don’t know the emotional burden the POC behind the scenes are carrying then don’t use them as a defence just because you like the end product." holy shit. fuck yes. i apologize in advance if this gets long & rambling. it is super offensive to use the race/presumed race as a shield. i've seen stand use it with the writers' room, the actors, & themselves. so, one at a time. (1)

(2) The writers: like you said, maybe some just don’t have the emotional energy or desire to be the “race monitor” for every conversation (AND THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE TO BE!). Getting staffed in a room is hard enough and I can easily see the desire – because I’ve had it too in work & personal settings - to not get labeled as the troublemaker who is always bringing race into it. I mean, shit, we see it happening in the fandom and none of us are getting paid for this (although some seem like it).

Exactly! It’s so hard to even get in the door. Being the ‘race monitor’ is so utterly exhausting and it shouldn’t be an expected duty from POC.

(3) I will say that I bet the Good Girls writing room is probably 85% better than most other rooms, which is faint praise if you’ve read any thing about the industry. I just can’t believe JB left Shondaland without learning anything. Quick tangent: I’m not a fan of Shonda Rhimes’ creative output. Watched a few episodes here & there; maybe even the entire first of GA. They are too DRAMATIC! for my tastes. But I’m a HUGE fan of SR and what she’s accomplished.

Same! I’ve only properly watched two of her shows: How to Get Away with Murder, when it was still good, and The Catch (which I’m still mad got cancelled!). But I’m astonished by what she’s accomplished, it’s super impressive. I’m also not sure how Jenna seemingly came away with very few lessons about intersectionality, though. (I think Laurel on HTGAWM probably got more about her culture included in the first episode than Rio has in nearly three seasons.)

(4) (although an interesting though experiment is would all that have happened if she hadn’t hooked up with Betsy Beers?) And one thing I remember reading from SR that stuck with me b/c it is a fact of life but not often articulated is that when she would read scripts the only times a character’s race was indicated was when the character wasn’t white. so, white is the default. the presumed. the normal. I love that she said that because that’s the kind of subtle racism that is so insidious.

I didn’t know about Betsy Beers! That is actually really interesting.

And, yes. White is the default. That’s what I really loved about @septiembur‘s response as well – so little thought goes into making the Latinx characters real people, which really shows in the naming and the way they haven’t let Rio step into his identity.

I also think she made a really good point that the friendship between the girls is something else to be investigated. I’ve always felt, but especially in 2x08 it was hard to ignore, that there isn’t much acknowledgement of how the world treats Ruby differently than her two best friends, and I can’t help wondering if that’s as a result of that default treatment – these characters get cast as POC, but not written as such. Because every POC knows that having white friends is a Whole Thing.

(5) that’s the kind of racism that says “i can’t be racist, i have black friends.” ok. point 2 - the actors. as at @septiembur mentioned, Retta & Reno have both spoken about pushing back on things. they also mentioned that the “La Di Da Di” sequence came about because they were just doing it for fun around set and someone took a video and sent to JB and they wrote it in. Manny has been super vocal about the struggles of MOC in the industry and his own in particular.

I know. Every time people say “Manny must be fine with…” or “Manny hasn’t said anything against…” I’m so confused because he’s said so much more than I would ever expect someone in his position to say. Not directly about the show, but like you say, he’s been vocal about his struggles in the industry, and it’s very easy to see how that plays out on this show as well. Nobody can speak for him or know how he feels, but he’s been clear on certain issues and those issues crop up here too.

(6) he’s constantly saying he never knows how tough or charming to play the character and that means he’s not getting any guidance from what’s written. also in the Angie Martinez interview, he mentions director & writers telling him to play tougher (while making a growl noise), which is basically like in community when they try to tell Shirley to be sassier. it’s hella coded language and poc deal with it all the time.

Oh, for SURE. I’m not Latinx, black or even American and I immediately knew what he meant.

(7) point 3 - the fans. woo boy, this is the stickiest one. I’ve seen stans say “I’m latinx and it didn’t bother me.” great. not all poc have the same reactions. also, we live in a white heteronormative patriarchy and that affects us all. it’s why so much of social justice is UNlearning. also, may I present stacey dash & ben carson. and the over 50% of white women who voted to uphold the grossest form of white heteronormative patriarchy in 2016, especially important as that was the catalyst for the show’s creation.

(8) and maybe i’m being uncharitable, but some of those stans are the same ones that have zero problem calling other female fans misogynists. so, at best, they understand that having an identity of an oppressed class does not automatically make you immune to participating in that oppression. at worst, they throw that term around and then use their racial identity as armor. Damn, ok, hope some of that made sense.

I also find certain stans to be the sticking point, tbh. It’s one thing to have a problematic show. It’s a different one altogether to have a fanbase that not only defends that show with its lives, but also attacks anyone who dares speak up against it.

“some of those stans are the same ones that have zero problem calling other female fans misogynists. so, at best, they understand that having an identity of an oppressed class does not automatically make you immune to participating in that oppression. at worst, they throw that term around and then use their racial identity as armor.” 🔥🔥🔥

Dang, Anon, you did not come to PLAY!

#Anonymous #NBC Good Girls #Manny Montana #these are all really interesting points #and so informative #thank you for taking the time #and for sharing it with me!

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keeloves · 6 years

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My Top 10 least favorite Celebrities

Now keep in mind this list is simply my opinion I don’t mean to offend people and I do my best to give good reasons on why I don’t respect or like any of these people.

#10 Danielle Panabaker

I haven’t always had a problem with Danielle. She is the reason I started watching the Flash. I was also familiar with her work on Disney channel. She starred in the movies “Stuck in the Suburbs” “Read it and Weep” alongside her sister Kay Panabaker and most of you know she was in the movie Sky High. I was excited to see Danielle move on to bigger and better things. However, my issues with her began after watching her interviews and how I heard she tried to steal Candice’s spot as leading female. I tried to let it go at first but the more interviews I watched of her the more I started to lose respect for her. There was this ‘Ship war” between West Allen & Snowbarry. The problem with that is that Snowbarry is nonexistent. That was made up shortly after Candice Patton a black woman was cast as the leading female. Danielle has baited her racist shippers into thinking Snowbarry could happen. She has boasted about her and Grant’s chemistry right in front of Candice and Carlos and she has disregarded canon for the sake of baiting her SB shippers. Candice Patton has always talked about including more females on the show and Danielle boasts about being the “Only girl in STAR Labs” She even implied that her character Caitlin was jealous of Candice’s character Iris simply because of attention Iris waEs getting from guys. Candice on the other hand says, “That Iris will be fighting over a guy.” Danielle never once mentions Candice or her character in an interview but completely gets excited over Emily Bett Rickard’s character Felicity because “It was great having another female on the show.” Even though she got done bragging about being “The only female in STAR Labs” The worst thing is she tried to pass off a moment of sexual assault/harassment as a cute Snowbarry moment just get her portion of the fan-base excited. Even worse than that she did that in front of Candice and Carlos. Carlos even had to remind her she had her own ship called SnowStorm. In a most recent she did, she was asked about a Snowest friendship (Iris & Caitlin) she didn’t even give a straight answer she said something along the lines of “Iris doesn’t really make a lot of sense in STAR Labs and I am excited to see her journalism arc” and I am like that had absolutely nothing to do with the question that was being asked. Her answer sounded a lot like Iris West Allen haters. I don’t know if Danielle is doing this on purpose because she is mad at the fact she was not cast as the lead or is it because she really is that oblivious to the kind of horrible stuff people say about her female costar? Either way I don’t have much respect for Danielle because she is willfully ignorant to her privilege she has a white woman. Honestly Candice deserves a better female costar than the one she has now.

#9 Alexandra Shipp

She is known for playing Storm and the singer Aaliyah. Storm in the comics is a dark skin full blooded black woman. Alexandra Shipp is a mixed woman. Once again, the casting directors were too lazy to hire someone like Lupita to play Storm. When people expressed how upset they were that Alexandra Shipp was cast as Storm she basically told people to get over it. Okay now on one hand Alexandra is an actress so she should be allowed to play a part without getting back lash. However, the problem is that Hollywood has a long history of casting racially ambiguous/mixed women as all out black female characters who are supposed to be dark skin. Hollywood is colorist as hell. Alexandra basically said she isn’t going to miss any opportunity to audition for a part or take a part even if it is meant for a dark skin woman. As an actress she has a right to do that but the downfall this prove she is unaware of the privilege she has a mixed woman. As a mixed woman myself I believe we should be using our privilege to help up lift dark skin women. Media shits on black women enough and it’s even worse when mixed women who are half black are helping this problem. Sadly, Alexandra Shipp isn’t the only woman guilty of this. Yara Shahidi and Amandla Stenberg will acknowledge their privilege as mixed women but then turn around take parts meant for full on dark skin black girls. That is so hypocritical and this trend Hollywood and in media in general really need to die. So, I hope that these women stop doing this and really do something to fight against the colorism in Hollywood.

#8 Julie Plec

I have only watched to season 1 episode 7 of The Vampire Diaries. I have watched clips online too. Three reasons I have trouble getting through that show. One Damon is an abusive asswipe, two Delena and three Bonnie Bennet’s piss poor treatment. I put Julie Plec on this list because she called Delena sexy and treats her one black character the worst out of all the characters on the show. She is entitled to her opinion on Delena. However, my question is what is exactly sexy about an abusive relationship? Damon has raped and abused Elena and her friends, has killed several people she has care about because she didn’t do what he wanted, the biggest example is that when Elena rejected Damon he murdered her brother by snapping his neck. Yet she calls that a sexy relationship? She sabotaged Stelena and Bamon actual healthy relationships to force an unhealthy couple. The only time Damon is likable is when he is around Bonnie. Bamon on the show didn’t happen because Bonnie is black. They happened in the books because Bonnie was white in the books. The fact that Julie Plec can tease ships like Delena and Stelena but is so quick to shut down Bamon shippers is part of the reason racism in fandoms exist. Behavior like that from people like Julie Plec and Danielle Panabaker are only helping fuel a racist fanbase. You can’t tell me Julie has never seen the nasty racist stuff that Kat Graham the actress and Bonnie Bennet the character gets. If she has seen it and said nothing, then shame on her for not saying anything. Anyways I don’t have too much else to say but when I complete the series of TVD I will make sure to give more thorough opinion on the show and Julie.

#7 Marc Guggenheim & Wendy Mericle (This picture felt right due to my feelings on them)

These two will forever be known as the two idiots who ruined Arrow. I have three big problems with these two. One, their treatment of female characters, two the vast amounts of white washing and three how unprofessional they are. Every female character that has been killed off died in a way where they had no chance to defend themselves. Shado and Moria stabbed with their hands tied behind their backs and killed off for the sake of man pain. Sara Lance shot off a building with arrows while caught off guard. Dinah Laurel Lance Earth 1 the true Black Canary frozen by magic stabbed with an Arrow gets successful surgery only to have a random seizure and die. Really? However, the men on this show no matter how evil get to die as a hero. The worst thing about Laurel’s last moments is that she spent it with Oliver a man who treated her like shit and her last words were spent propping up his relationship with Felicity. Laurel was treated like trash all through out the show. Marc and Wendy didn’t know what character was going in the grave until episode 16. The death took place in episode 18. Katie Cassidy found out two episodes before that her character was going in the grave and she didn’t even find out in person she was told over the phone. So not only are Marc and Wendy unprofessional but they have proven themselves to be incompetent writers. Even John Barroman was dissatisfied at his departure from the show. They are also heavily misogynistic in their writing in the way they kill their female characters without giving them chance to defend themselves as I have mentioned earlier and in the way, they write Felicity. Felicity is written as a jealous bitch. She has been jealous of every single one of Oliver’s relationships. They had her refer to Lian Yu as fantasy Island a place that Oliver describes as his personal hell, just because there were two other women with him on the beach. Now on to the problem of white washing. Arrow has a bad habit of white washing characters. Here is a list of characters that Arrow has white washed https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2015/04/10/white-canary-and-arrows-habit-of-whitewashing/ Arrow also treats characters especially female characters like they are interchangeable. The character Evelyn Sharp is Starling in the comics but because she was introduced the episode after they killed Laurel she got the name Artimis attached to her due to the popularity of the Young Justice character to simply gain them more views. Evelyn Sharp/Starling are characters that have never had a live adaptation so why not do that character instead of mix matching characters. The next character they messed up is Dinah Drake who was established as Laurel’s mom on the show and she is the first Black Canary in the comics. Yet the show introduces to a new Black Canary named Tina Boland whose real name happens to be Dinah Drake. Arrow now has had four different Dinahs two of them being Laurel. Conner Hawk is now randomly John Diggle Junior and they have completely erased the Asian half. William and Samantha are supposed to be Blasian characters named Conner and Sandra Hawk only to be random white washed nobodies. .I hate how they treat their queer/lgbtq characters like trash. They forced a lesbian into a hetero marriage and have their one bi character sleep around. Marc even admitted two bi characters of the oppososite gender hooked up simply because they were both bi. I am sorry to all the LGBTQ people out there for being represented so terribly. Anyways thank god Marc and Wendy won’t be around for season 7 of Arrow. All though sadly their damage of the show will be left behind

#6 Marlene King

She is the writer for Pretty Little Liars and Famous in Love. I put Marlene on this list because of “creative choices” she has made in her shows. In Pretty Little Liars and Famous in Love she had characters statutorily raped and did nothing about it. Toby was raped by two women, one being his step sister Jenna and the second woman being Alex, Spencer’s identical twin sister. For those going to Alex didn’t rape Toby yes, she did because she pretended to be Spencer to trick Toby into having sex with her. Tricking someone into having sex with you is rape. The fact that Toby’s rape from Jenna was played off as a secret love affair is disgusting and purpurates the stereotype that all guys are horny and want sex. This ignores male rape victims. Then I watched the scene where Alex and Toby are “having sex” and the people in the comments are calling it cute just because Alex looks like Spencer. That is so gross. There is nothing cute about watching someone get raped. Then on Famous in Love Nina who is the mother of Jordan’s best friend was having sex with Jordan when he was 16 and she was an adult. All though I am having trouble with that because people say she didn’t know because Jordan lied about his age. I am not sure if that is true but if she didn’t and found out it was her job as the adult to put to a stop to it but if she did know and didn’t care then shame on her and she needs to be in prison in a cell next to Ezra Fitz who I will talk about next. Ezra Fitz purposely stalked four underage girls and started a relationship with one of them knowing full well that she was underage and knew he was going to be her teacher all to write a book about their missing friend who is another underage girl that he had a relationship with. This was never addressed in a nuanced way. Ezra never went to jail or prison. Instead people questioned his relationship with Aria, but not once did they call the police on him. He stalked the four girls while he claimed to be away on business. Then at the end of the series Aria and Ezra get married. Yes, that is right folks Marlene King had a victim marry their statutory rapist/stalker. Sadly, that is not the only abusive couple that ended up together. The one LGBTQ couple that ended up together was abusive and only ended together because of whiny ass fanbase and Emily’s eggs being implanted into Alison without either girl’s knowledge which is a violation of both girl’s bodies. I have gone on in the past on why I hate Emison so if you want to know more read my Top 10 worst couples list where you will find Emison and Ezria. The next problem I have is how Marlene treats poc characters and her lgbtq/queer characters. She treated Paige badly even though Paige had the most common sense. She made a few mistakes but learned from them and she didn’t get the happy ending she deserved. The show Pailey lived together but we don’t get to see that instead we get flash backs of Emison where Alison is abusing Emily. Maya a woman of color who was also bisexual killed off for shock value. Yvonne woman of color Toby’s finance killed off just because of Spoby, Charlette a transgender character made into a villain and killed off, Shauna made into a villain and killed off. Ugh. Anyways Marlene is guilty of promoting abusive relationships by having two be endgame. She is basically saying if “Your abuser is nice to you sometimes then you should give them what they want.

#5 Adam Horowitz & Edward Kitsis

They are best known for making the show Once Upon A Time. I wrote a long post on deviant art that I will copy and paste here if you want a more thorough explanation but those of you wanting a brief explanation on what my problem with them are here you go. I have four main problems. One, they way the treat male rape victims on the show, two the fact it took them seven seasons to have people of color on the show because prior to that they have been killed off, three the vast amounts of queer baiting they do and four the fact that a woman needs to have a child and a man to have a happy ending. The first lgbtq/queer couple they had were rushed, forced and slapped together and then the two characters were never seen again. It just felt like they wanted brownie points from the lgbtq/queer community for representation. They have had three females on male rape which two out of three of them were done by deception and two out of the three rapes had babies born from this. Okay now here is the long-winded version from Deviant Art about my problems with Adam and Eddie. Its long because it is my review on Once Upon a Time. “There is a lot I am going to say here. These are my overall thoughts on Once Upon a Time and the writers. Not all of this is going to be positive so be prepared. Once Upon A Time was a show I really enjoyed because of the many characters I grew up with got to be done differently and interpreted different ways. I thought the names characters had were quite clever. For example, Cora is the Queen of Hearts and Core means hearts, Regina Mills last named being Mills was because her mom was the Miller's daughter or how Rumpelstiltskin was called Mr. Gold or Detective Weaver because he weaved and spun gold. I loved all the clever names. My favorite story lines were Ruby being the wolf, and her boyfriend being named Peter as a nod to Peter and the wolf. I also enjoyed Ingrid as a character and I enjoyed the show for what it was. However, this show has many problems which I will now get into. The show's main problem is that villains’ actions are not called out properly. The two biggest examples are Regina and Rumple. Regina, has mass murdered three villages worth of people, separated children from their families, locked away Belle in a tower for 28 years and straight up raped Graham and yes folks I said it she RAPED Graham. Several people of asked Adam and Eddy about the Regina raping Graham argument and they have dismissed the argument by saying it Graham was Regina's sex slave. This isn't the only problem with Regina. She has committed so many heinous crimes and none of her main victims have called her out for it they just give her a free pass because "She's good now". Once Upon A Time has a huge problem with rape in general. Adam and Eddy have written three female on rape cases and never once bothered to address any of them. Two out of three of the came a child and two out of three rape victims ended up dying by murder basically and it was never dealt with again. Zelena killed Marion a woman of color (We are getting to that soon) shape shifted into her then raped Robbin Hood who was dating Regina at the time. Then Zelena gets pregnant and names her daughter Robin? Why? I truly believe it was to spite Regina and rub it in her face that she can't bear children of her own. What the hell were Adam and Eddy thinking naming Zelena's baby Robin? Then Gothel raped Nook/Wish Hook and had Alice. Why won't they address this issue. What about Emma and Neal. Neal aka Bealfire is over 300 years old or 24 for safety and Emma was 16 or 17 years old. No one thought that relationship was weird? I feel conflicted about Swanfire. The most problematic relationship to me is Rumbelle, it’s so awful even the actress who plays Belle hates the relationship. Why did Adam and Eddy make that a relationship at all? Rumple did nothing but lie and deceive Belle. He murdered Milah twice and now he can't respect Belle. It is honestly the most emotionally abusive relationship I have seen. These writers tried to shove it off as a dysfunctional relationship. It was that all right but it was very emotionally abusive and just really creepy. Rumple went so far as stalking Belle by putting a tracker bracelet on her and showed up at the library when Belle clearly didn't want him there. Belle honestly should have ended up with Ruby, Graham or Adam who was never introduced. Moving on from Rumblle up next the show's problems are how they treat their characters of color. Up until season seven there were no main characters of color. The characters were either one offs, or they died too soon. Rapunzel who was black appeared once and never mentioned again despite being a popular story, Gus Gus dies, Ursula basically a one off never seen again, Sydney a black man brought on and used as a slave or indentured servant depending on how you look at it either way bad. Tamera Neal's girlfriend killed off by Rumple, Mulan an Asian bisexual woman never got a happy ending but was there to cape for the white characters. The Dragon guy killed off, Merlyn dead, and many others have died as well. The next problem is the queer baiting on this show. This show took five seasons to give us a lgbtq couple and it was rushed, and they weren't seen again. The two most popular couples are Sleeping Warrior and Swan Queen. Sleeping Warrior was the closest thing to a healthy lgbtq interracial relationship. We were so close but nope Aurea had to get pregnant with Prince Philip's baby and they won't even let Mulan say she was in love with Aurea which really pisses me off because the writers have established her as bisexual but won't allow her a happy ending or a chance at true love. The only main canon lgbtq couple we got were Robbin and Alice. I think if Mulan were a white woman and in season 7 she would have gotten a happy ending and a wonderful love interest. (All though Mulan is Asian and should stay Asian because, I hate white washing) Swan Queen all though I am not big on it I do see why people ship it. All though can people take a minute and realize that Emma and Regina are step granddaughter and step grandmother? Then again Emma married her almost step father in law so this show is close to having incestuous relationship so why shouldn't they give Regina and Emma a chance? My biggest problem with the show is how Emma got treated like shit by the fandom and the writers. Emma who tried to save Marion's life had to apologize to Regina for "ruining her chances with Robin or making her life more complicated?" Excuse me but Regina was going to murder Emma as a baby, Regina is the whole reason Emma didn't have a family for 28 years of her life. Regina can drink a tall glass of STFU. Seriously these writers coddle the hell out of Regina and it is annoying as hell. As I said before Regina has kidnapped an entire town by cursing them, she raped Graham for 28 years and she mass murdered thousands upon thousands of people. Here these videos are a summary of all the messed up things Regina have done.www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8bNf…. Then the writers have retconned Henry. He told Regina "You were the first person to love me." Excuse me but this kid was going to build an armory against her and ran away to Emma. Yeah Regina isn't abusive. Adam and Eddy also think that happy endings mean children and other true love. Really characters like Regina and Rumple should work hard to improve themselves but nope corners were crossed for those two and they got happy endings meanwhile good characters such as Mulan, Facillar, Milah, and many other characters who were actual good people didn't get a happy ending. Yet mass murdering rapists got happy endings that is so messed up. In conclusion Adam and Eddy are misogynistic assholes and have proven to be racist in their writing. They have also don't care about lgbtq people, male rape victims and the people of color on their show. I also found it really insulting that they portrayed women as incomplete if they couldn't bear children of their own. All in all, Once Upon a Time could have been a great show but instead it was mediocre.”

#4 Kanye West

If there were a contest on being the most arrogant and most full of yourself person Kanye would either win first place or he would take second to his in laws/his wife. He is colorist, he is an attention whore and he said that slavery is a choice. I hope he meant the mind set of slavery is a choice but I highly doubt it but I highly doubt it. He put a confederate flag on his clothing line. I have seen the price of his clothing is way too expensive. $200 for a shirt all because it says Yeeze? Then again there are purses that cost more than that just because the purse has the word Coach on it. His wife who isn’t even black takes things from black culture but never pays respect to the culture she is borrowing from and Kanye just supports this. Kanye has bashes other types music just because it is not his own and he is just so full of himself. He even said he supports Donald Trump which his right, but he probably said that for attention too. Anyways I have never really cared for Kanye I can’t say too much else about him.

#3 James Gunn

He directed both Guardians of the Galaxy movies which are both great. However, I don’t think he will be directing the third since he was recently fired over some ten-year-old tweets. Now tweets shouldn’t get someone fired but if you are making several jokes about pedophilia then that is probable cause to be to be fired. James Gunn made these tweets in his forties and never deleted them. First off why is James Gunn making several jokes about pedophile at the age of 40? He is now 50 and he didn’t use his common sense back then to know those are not things you joke about? Second why is that type of thing on his mind. He didn’t just make one joke about it he made several jokes about child molestation. If that is on his mind constantly then he needs to be psychologically evaluated. I honestly hope he hasn’t acted on the pedophilia because the fact that is something on his mind at age 40 is terrifying and he needs serious help.

#2 Robert Sylvester Kelly/R Kelly

He refers to himself as the Pied Piper of R&B. Which is ironically fitting since he the Pied Piper is known for kidnapping children. R Kelly is one of the most talented singers I have ever heard in my life. I listened to his music growing up. He “wrote” the song “I believe I can fly” and the song “Ignition” Now for those wondering why I put the word in qoutioans its because R Kelly is illiterate he can’t read or write. I am serious he is not dyslexic he has never learned to read or write according to his brother Carrey and Wendy William. Now as I said before R Kelly is one of the most talented singers but sadly he is also one of the most garbage human beings I have ever had the displeasure of hearing about. Where do I even start? There have been stories since the early 90’s of him being a predator. He would hang out at middle schools in Chicago as an adult picking up young girls, and promising[HK1] them money, gift cards and McDonalds. The girls he did get to come to his house he kept him them in their rooms or the basement, forced the girls to call him daddy and made them perform sexual acts on him. He pissed on a fourteen girl and married the singer Aaliyah when she was 15 and he was 27 at the time. In fact, for more detail about R Kelly and his creepy behavior here is a documentary of all the fucked-up things he did. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p060m6qx When R Kelly was 49 he dated a 19-year-old which wasn’t illegal but given his past history with girls that is just creepy. I also hate the fact he could afford to pay someone to teach him how to read and write but won’t because he used his money for lawyers and paid off the families of the girls he abused to keep them quiet. One day R Kelly will go to jail. I think the reason he stayed out of prison for so long are for two reasons. Number one he is famous and loads of money to pay people off and two he targets young black girls/women who are the least protected group in America. Anyways R Kelly needs to be in prison in solitary confinement until the day he dies. He is disgusting, and he is probably just as disgusting as my next choice for my number one pick.

#1 Gregory Daniel Jackson

He is better known by his YouTube alias Onision. He is a famous youtuber who tries to be like Shane Dawson in video style and in hair style. I put him on the list for the countless fucked-up things he has done to basically gain attention. He has met all his wives and his current wife over the internet while they were either 16 or 17. He was an adult at the time. He flies these women out to his house and has isolated them from their families. He put his first wife on blast because she didn’t want to have sex with him and gave out the number of partners she had as revenge for not wanting to have sex with him. The number was pretty high, then after treating her like garbage he left her several voice mails. If you don’t believe me here is the video of the “voice mails he left for her” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnC3n2fpYs&t=1s . His second wife Shiloh lost three years of her memory and posted a video of her having a break down but apparently she was faking I am not entirely sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_9s9SgQao and then filmed her having a meltdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7HcGsMb5PQ I am linking these videos as proof because Onision is just gross. He encouraged Lainey to get a girlfriend even though she/”they” (Lainey is nonbinary but Onision calls her she all the time so I am not sure what pronoun to use for Lainey so I used both) was not into it. He only encouraged it to for his benefit. He killed his pet turtle/tortoise and to this day he will not admit that he did it. He put his turtle in on the grass put a plastic container upside down over the turtle and left it in the sun for two hours. He never owns up to what he did wrong and when he does he always makes himself out to be the victim. He has made jokes on self-harm, 9/11 and sexual abuse. He has made fun of people who struggle with their weight, eating disorders. He says things but later goes on to deny them. Anyways, he isn’t worth watching but if you plan on watching his videos I advise you to watch with caution. I almost forgot to mention people have had to call animal control on his ass. I pray he goes to prison soon. He even had to get a lawyer to find out if his marriage to his wife was legal or not. He lied about being honorably discharged from the military. Anyways, Onision is a narcissist, a sociopath and psychopath. He needs to go to prison and he doesn’t need to be making youtube videos. I forgot to mention if you are a meat eater Onion boy will hate on you wish death on you and get on his high horse on he is better than you because he doesn’t eat meat. He has done that in the past.

#anti danielle panabaker #anti alexandra shipp #anti marc guggenheim #anti wendy mericle #anti marlene king #anti adam horowitz #anti eddy kitsis #anti kanye west #anti james gunn #anti r kelly #anti julie plec #anti onision #my top 10 #the flarrowverse #pretty little liars #anti pretty little liars #The Flash #gaurdians of the galaxy

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buddiebeginz · 6 years

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I don't see any posts calling you a 'horrible person', merely disagreeing with your point of view. I know it's not what you want to hear, but I personally find your opinions misogynistic. I get that Seb is fictional but so is Matty, and if I wrote things about him that you considered offensive, you'd be outraged. A baby isn't to blame for the actions of his parents and nor should a baby be ripped away from all he knows so that things can be 'made right'. What sort of message would that send?

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. What I do have problem with is seeing post after post that say things like anyone who dislikes Seb is a gross piece of shit who should delete their blog. People I know have even been told to kill themselves all because they don’t like the same fictional characters as everyone else. I’ve seen people recently delete their blogs and leave fandom because that is how others are making them feel, like they’re awful and they don’t belong. And I’m sorry but there is something seriously wrong with that.

No one has to agree with me on anything I say but I should still be allowed to feel however I do about the show. As far as I can tell the only real requirement to be in the Emmerdale fandom should be that we like Emmerdale. The only real requirement to be in the Robron fandom is that we ship Aaron and Rob together. Anything else doesn’t really matter. As long as I’m keeping my personal feelings on my blog and not harassing anyone else I should be allowed to like or dislike any part of the show I want.

We should all be able to post what we want on our blogs even the stuff I don’t agree with. Still I think there is a major problem with the posts that I see go around all the time lately that feel like a message to a portion of our fandom. I find those posts that say you have to like Seb or Rebecca or else rather like harassment. No one is being made to feel like they don’t belong in fandom if they don’t like Daz, or Bob, or whoever so what is it only like this with Rebecca and Seb?

Why do I only get messages like this one about Rebecca? I mean you’re telling me that how I feel about Rebecca is misogynistic? Why? Because I’ve clearly on many many occasions stated why I don’t like a female character and this as a result of her actions and not her gender. Am I not allowed to dislike a female character because she’s a woman?

Her gender only comes into play in my issues with the storyline because I feel that the way ED is using her (continually throwing her in the middle of a same sex m|m relationship) is homophobic. But that’s another topic for another post. But I don’t hate on her because of her gender. Or neglect to realize that Rob is bi and so a cheating storyline for him always had the possibility of involving a woman. My issues with Rebecca herself are because of her actions, mainly the fact that she slept with a man who was too drunk to consent and never took responsibility for it. If a guy did that to Rob I’d hate him too.

I feel like this fandom just likes to whittle it down to anyone who hates Rebecca is misogynistic or we’re just angry that she got in the way of our otp. You can’t just call some misogynistic because they dislike a female character that you like. Where are the facts to support this? Like am not allowed to have my own valid reasons for hating her? I’ve seen people say they hate Chrissie, Leyla, Debbie, Laurel, etc somehow it’s okay to hate other female characters and have valid reasons there but not when it comes to Rebecca. I don’t understand why this fandom makes it so Rebecca and Seb can do no wrong. They’re just fictional characters.

I’m not sure where you were going with the Matty and Rebecca comparison. Matty is trans so are you trying to say that if you wrote offensive stuff about him being trans that’s somehow the same thing as me saying I don’t like Rebecca because of her actions? Or how I find the storyline homophobic because ED keep throwing a woman in the middle of two men and making it seem like two men aren’t good enough to raise a kid on their own. How would transphobic remarks in anyway be comparable to that? I don’t get it.

I never said Seb was to blame for the actions of Rob and Rebecca. But I signed up for Robron not the Robecca/Seb show. The Robron scenes and fandom now have turned into being 99% about Seb and Rebecca these days and I’m over it. I was trying to warm to Seb in the beginning but you know what fandom is in large part of blame for why I just want him gone at this point. I’m tired of seeing posts and getting hate messages that tell me I’m not allowed to dislike a fictional baby. NO ONE has to like any character on any tv show they don’t want to.

The rest of you can get up on that cross and defend Rebecca and Seb till you’re blue in the face but it doesn’t change anything and it certainly doesn’t change how awful some of the behavior is that I’ve seen exhibited by this fandom. The way a portion of you are trying to make fandom full of only people who agree with all the same things you do and shut out the rest of us is seriously messed up and like I’ve said before I hope you never find yourself on the other end of that.

#ask #anon #anti rebecca #anti seb #rr*

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oathkeptroxas · 6 years

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I went on a bit of a rant because I’m sick of oliciters assuming that every laurel fan is a lauriver shipper.

By making that assumption they are essentially trying to invalidate all the very valid criticisms people have of the show by simply dismissing it all as a ship war.

It’s easier for them to say “oh boo hoo you’re just bitter because our ship is canon and yours isnt” than it is for them to recognize the rampant misogyny involved with the vast majority of arrow’s writing - especially when it comes to laurel.

In fact, in their defence of their ship, they themselves exhibit this exact same misogyny.

This particular rant was in response to an oliciter claiming that Laurels last words being about Felicity proved that her ship was superior. Therefore gleefully revelling in one of the most disrespectful and misogynist fridgings I’ve ever seen. Gross.

This same person essentially blamed laurel for being cheated on and said that olicity was better than lauriver simply because Oliver never cheated on felicity, like he did laurel.

Yet they want felicity to date him? Yikes.

Well this person also called laurel a rat so. Internalized misogyny can be blinding.

Honestly nothing surprises me with that side of the fandom anymore. Last week I saw one of them claim that if laurel had been better in bed then Oliver wouldn’t have cheated. They spew misogyny like it’s nobody’s business but then claim those who dislike felicity are the real misognyists. Fucking YIKES.

#anti olicity #anti arrow #anti olicity fandom #anti lauriver #laurel lance #misogyny tw

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valeriemperez · 7 years

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Have you ever shipped Iris with anyone outside of Barry? Not in a major way, just a fleeting thought like "oh that would be so cute".

Once I have an OTP, I don’t tend to multiship but I very much enjoy the idea of Iris/Linda. I’ve read some lovely fics for them. I’ve also read a few Iris/Cisco or Iris/Cisco/Barry fics that I approved of. 😊

But in terms of watching on my screen, Iris and Barry for each other is my only cup of tea lol.

Do you think we need to worry about westallen getting married this early on? I mean four seasons is pretty well off but hopefully this show will be around for many more seasons and I can get behind Barry going missing or something but I worry about them divorcing or something to create drama and tension

Honestly, no. They’re not gonna get a divorce on this little family show of theirs, lol. It’s certainly unusual for the alpha couple to get married halfway through a show’s run but A) everything about WA defies expectations, and B) a big part of WA’s legacy is their progeny… Which they can’t have if they’re not married (on this “American values” family show lmao).

Tati, I’m so hyped for the episode 4.02! I was on twitter and more than one reporter said that this episode is one of their favorite episodes ever! Now I’m more excited to watch the 4.02 than the premiere lol

SAME! Everyone’s raving about it so much that I’m ready to skip the premiere and go straight to 4.02.

I also wonder if they saw the reaction Laurel got & decided they didn’t want a repeat. She was allowed to be angry and have flaws during Seasons 1 & 2, but fandom generally hated her because of it. So I could see them not wanting that to happen to Iris & compensating by writing her as understanding & forgiving as possible. Of course that doesn’t stop the racists & misogynists from finding fault in her anyway, but I could that being their thought process as well.

That’s definitely another explanation for it. Flash did seem to consciously try to rectify a lot of Arrow’s mistakes while still repeating many of its patterns.

Guys, Iris haters are shit. They come with everything in the book to vilify her. I still see the “useless” argument which is incredibly baseless and doesn’t have a leg to stand on. This is the same woman that killed Savitar even though she had no powers (To the idiots that say it’s unrealistic, bullets can travel up to Mach 1. Savitar wasn’t even close when he tried to kill Barry). They’re nothing and they never will be anything.

I swear, we could write a book on viewers’ skewed reactions to Iris.

Fl@sh ratings will be down but people shouldn't worry. Here's why....A) Flash makes enough revenue from other places like Netflix, Hulu, international sales to make up for live ratings B) across all network ratings will be down. The 2016-2017 tv season saw a huge drop in live ratings. A trend that has already continued the past month at the start of the 2017-2018 season. Live ratings are slowly becoming obsolete and lots of shows will be taking a hit.

You are absolutely correct. Flash will most likely remain the #1 show for its network in both obsolete ratings and online views, so I’m not worried.

#the flash #iris west #anonymous #tatiana's thoughts #long post for ts #more asks under the cut

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disappearingground · 5 years

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She’s not afraid to make key changes

Los Angeles Times September 24, 2008

Jenny Lewis, 32, involved her family - blood and musical - on her new solo album, "Acid Tongue."

By Ann Powers

Jenny Lewis no longer calls Silver Lake home, but she hasn’t moved to Laurel Canyon. The woodsy bungalow she shares with her companion and musical collaborator, Johnathan Rice, sits in an obscure corner of the San Fernando Valley, not too far from either of the neighborhoods favored by L.A.'s rock elite, but on its own ground.

“I feel like this is an undiscovered area,” said the 32-year-old singer-songwriter on a recent Friday afternoon.

As Lewis discussed her latest solo album, “Acid Tongue,” out this week on Warner Bros. Records, Rice padded around in his swim trunks, tending to some barbecue. Domestic bliss, interrupted by the occasional interview; such is life for a modestly famous member of the city’s creative class.

“Lewis, is that you squeaking? What is that noise?” Rice called into the room at one point.

“No babe,” she said. “That must have been a bird.”

Lewis is comfortable in undiscovered neighborhoods, off to the side of the action. You hear some cool, weird sounds in places like this.

Fans of well-wrought pop have been following Lewis’ quest for the unexpected since she co-founded Rilo Kiley with Blake Sennett, a former child actor like herself, in 1998. That band was part of a shift in indie music away from heavy, primal rock toward a more eclectic, self-consciously literate sound. Along with allies including Death Cab for Cutie, Bright Eyes and the Decemberists, Rilo Kiley picked up the line that connects J.D. Salinger to Elvis Costello to David Foster Wallace to the guitar-strumming, creative writing undergrads of today.

For Lewis, however, Rilo Kiley isn’t enough. All the members of that now on-again, off-again band have side projects; her solo efforts have found the biggest audience. “Rabbit Fur Coat,” the 2006 album she made with the vocal duo the Watson Twins, was a critical favorite and one of Billboard’s Top 10 Independent Albums of 2006.

Rilo Kiley’s fourth album, last year’s “Under the Blacklight,” wasn’t as well-loved as that release; since then, fans have pondered whether Lewis might leave the band for good.

“We’ll see what kind of songs I’ll write, and that’s going to guide me,” she said. “We don’t hang out as much as we used to, but it’s been that way for a couple of years, Jason [Boesel, Rilo’s drummer] played on my record, and Pierre [de Reeder, bassist] and I did the album art together. So we’re involved in each others’ lives. We’re family, really. And even if we don’t make another record, we’ll still be a family.”

Musicians often naturally move beyond the nuclear unit of a band, but Lewis hasn’t given up on family. Scattered or shattered kinship is a dominant theme in her songs, especially on “Rabbit Fur Coat,” which was partially a meditation on her parents’ broken marriage. “Acid Tongue” forms family in a different way. There are special appearances by her sister, Leslie Lewis, and her father, Eddie Gordon, a harmonica virtuoso who spent much of Lewis’ childhood touring in a group called the Harmonicats.

“The act was very schticky,” Lewis said, smiling.

Lewis had never played music with her dad, but the sessions for “Acid Tongue” provided the right atmosphere. This was due to her other family, the circle of musicians she’s been cultivating for the past 10 years.

“I knew I was surrounded by my friends and that they would treat him with respect, and he’d feel comfortable,” she said. “And it was really lovely having him. He hung out in the studio for a couple of days, and my sister came down and she sang on a couple of songs, which was incredible.”

“Acid Tongue” has an all-star roster -- Elvis Costello, Zooey Deschanel, M. Ward, A Perfect Circle bassist Paz Lenchantin and Chris Robinson of the Black Crowes all participated -- but these better-known names represent just a fraction of Lewis’ crew. Other key players include Rice, who co-wrote several of the new album’s songs; producers Farmer Dave Scher and Jason Lader; and singer-songwriters Benji Hughes and Jonathan Wilson.

Lewis wanted to capture the atmosphere she’d encountered at Wilson’s Laurel Canyon house parties. “We’d go to these jams in the canyon,” she said. “They’re fantastic. Jonathan invites older session musicians from the real Laurel Canyon era, and younger people who are just starting their bands who happen to live in the canyon, and we all get together and sing Grateful Dead covers and J.J. Cale songs.”

She sighed. “ ‘Jam,’ a word I don’t often use. That and ‘gig bag,’ those are the two I try to avoid!”

Her joke exposed a conflict within Lewis, between a longing for the connections artists shared when Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young wandered Laurel Canyon, and her suspicions about the nostalgia that longing represents. The tension, not unrelated to Lewis’ fragmented upbringing, becomes artistically fruitful when she feels safe enough to explore it musically.

“She is the songbird of the scene,” said Wilson, reached by phone in Chicago, where he is touring. “I see her cut loose when she comes over and maybe she does a song that she’s hearing for the first time. I definitely hear it on the album, that sense of freedom. Who better to implement that than her? Because she’s a bird. Not only can she write songs but she’s got the technical thing, it’s just completely effortless.”

“Acid Tongue” abounds with genre experiments that take dangerous turns. “Black Sand” is a “Teen Angel"-style car-crash ballad that substitutes misogynistic murder for the dead man’s curves of the early 1960s. “Fernando” is a rockabilly romp that celebrates Mexican vacationing as a route to oblivion.

The gospel-flavored “Jack Killed Mom” is about, you guessed it, matricide. And in the title track, a country-pop ballad Dolly Parton could have written if she’d gone to Woodstock, Lewis presents herself as a female adventurer whose ultimate prize is exhaustion.

“Everything tends to be a response to the thing that I’ve written before,” Lewis said of her songwriting process. “It’s even as simple as, ‘OK, I’ve written a ballad, now I want to push myself to write something that’s uptempo.’ If I’m writing about myself, well, that subject can be tiresome, so then I focus on character-driven songs. So I’m always doing this back-and-forth just to keep myself interested.”

This drive to try new approaches is a quality Lewis shares with Costello, her onetime admirer (a few years back, he started declaring Lewis his favorite young songwriter) and current occasional collaborator. The alternative rock statesman proves a spirited duet partner on “Carpetbaggers,” a Rice composition on “Acid Tongue.” The session inspired Costello to make his 35th album, “Momofuku,” upon which Lewis and her posse appear.

“On the day we finished my record he booked the studio for about a week and finished what would become ‘Momofuku,’ ” Lewis said. “I was like, ‘I’m backing him?’ I truly can’t believe it. And he’s so cool. He’s a chiller, that’s what we’d say in Southern California.”

Chill is a state Lewis favors these days. She kept the sessions for “Acid Tongue” as open as possible, inviting her friends to drop by and join in on the analog equipment at Sound City Studios in Van Nuys, near where she grew up. Each song was left more or less intact after recording -- no fixing on Pro Tools. This approach was a typical switch for the songwriter, away from the slicker “Under the Blacklight” and toward that more grass-roots feel.

She’s still proud of “Blacklight,” though it divided Rilo Kiley fans. Some questioned the band’s motivations in making a more commercial album. At the time, Lewis favored wearing very short skirts or hotpants onstage; one music journalist, Kate Richardson, created a flow chart of Rilo Kiley’s decline as it correlated to the rise in Lewis’ hemlines.

“Part of her appeal is that she at least used to write these really good, sad, bitter songs that were kinda sharp,” said Richardson, who crafted the chart for Idolator.com. “She had a lot of emotion behind her. But she’s also really hot, really cute. So girls were projecting and guys thought she was really attractive. As she started owning the sexual part of her image more, I thought that was fine, good for her. But it coincidentally went along with a change in their sound.”

Lewis took it in stride. “That’s what you get with a record like ‘Under the Blacklight,’ she said. “I was wearing hot pants and singing about sexuality. Not everyone understood that we were poking fun.”

Lewis said she might be ready for a new persona -- another step in her restless evolution. “It doesn’t really have to do with that response,” she said. “It’s just my own back-and-forth with what I do. So I want to wear hot pants, and then I want to wear cargo pants.”

She laughed. “Now, that would be really flattering.” Some things, perhaps, are best left undiscovered.

#year: 2008 #album: acid tongue #person: johnathan rice #mention: rilo kiley #mention: father #person: sister #mention: childhood #mention: parent's band #person: jonathan wilson #mention: songwriting #song: black sand #song: jack killed mom #song: see fernando #song: carpetbaggers #person: elvis costello #mention: under the blacklight #publication: los angeles times

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laurelismyblackcanary · 7 years

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I forgot that I can’t look Tumblr with the app cause I don’t have a blacklist so I see things I don’t want to see

So I saw the new Black Canary costume… and really I know I might be childish or whatever but I felt like throwing up. Not for the costume or the actress per se. But the words “new” and “Black Canary” and a picture of someone who’s not Katie make me want to smash things. Cause they killed Laurel cause they didn’t need a Black Canary on Arrow, right? That’s what Marc said. Then he realized that killing Black Canary and firing Katie was a huge mistake so instead of bringing her back and give her what she deserves (I’m talking about Laurel here not Katie) he decided to bring a new and improved version of Black Canary out of nowhere and has Katie back as Black Siren. Kind of like killing two bird with one stone.

He acted like two female characters are replaceable, like Dinah Laurel Lance didn’t matter cause they now have this new woman with a comic book name and it’s fine right? The important things is having a Black Canary, right? No matter who she is, right? Wrong. The only thing I can say right now is something I’ve been saying for the last year and a half. Fuck Arrow. I have nothing against the actress or the character per se. But duck Arrow. This misogynistic show needs to crash and burn forever. It didn’t deserve a 5th season let alone a 7th.

They killed Laurel for Oliver’s and Quentin’s man pain. They killed her in the most insulting way they could think of. They let her last words be about Oliver's love life. They disrespected her character in every possible way before, during and after her death. They didn't give her the Canary Cry cause "no metas in Arrow it's a show too anchored in reality" and then we had resurrections, magic idols and crap like this. And now they bring this new character who has everything that belonged to Laurel cause bringing her back was too hard? Well again fuck Arrow. This is disgusting. As I always say I'm glad for who's excited for Black Siren and for this new Black Canary. But for me this show keeps falling and falling and falling and falling. Fuck Arrow So again call me childish but all of this makes me sick and angry and once again fuck Arrow fuck Marc.

#laurel lance

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Out of curiosity, thoughts on other Arrow characters? I only see you talk about Laurel (for good reason lol) but I was wondering if she was the only character you liked? Thoughts on like Oliver, Diggle, Roy, Thea, Felicity?

let's just say my thoughts on other arrow characters can be a bit complicated. my thoughts on arrow in general are, uh...less than pleasant.

i do love thea! she's my girl. absolutely love her to bits. have no complaints. i love her and miss her.

i think roy's...okay? i don't have anything against him, but he was dull. he didn’t make much of an impression on me. most of my fondness for him comes from the fact that he makes thea happy and leftover love from his comic book counterpart.

i do like diggle, but i think that his character was done a disservice with the whole ''original team arrow'' thing and how the writers hyped that up. he could be frustrating sometimes and somewhat misogynistic (as most of the male characters could be, because the guy who ran the show has made it very clear that he does not see women as people but rather extensions of men) but i think he was overall a good man and a better formed character than some of the other dudes. i think he deserved to be more than oliver and felicity's sidekick and he definitely deserved to be more than a needless cheerleader for their awful ‘’love story.’’

i liked felicity for about two and a half seasons, but oliver brought her down and her whole ''awkward and babbly'' schtick got old quick, especially as her awkward rambling comments got more uncomfortably inappropriate, lacking in boundaries, and overtly sexual. she also was rather selfish, not a great friend, and did some truly fucked up things that got immediately glossed over and forgotten about because she was the writers' pet. i don't hate her, but i'm disappointed with the direction her character went because she was once a good character and they just destroyed that.

and i hate oliver with a fiery passion. cannot even begin to describe how much lol. i love oliver queen from the comic books. i adore ollie from smallville. i hate oliver queen from arrow. i cannot state how much i do not like that abusive, deeply misogynistic, openly ableist, casually cruel, badly acted prick. he is my fictional arch nemesis. on my death bed, my big dying monologue is going to be followed by ''and also fuck the cw's oliver queen.'' ...with that said, i have discovered over the past couple years that i have a strange and inexplicable affinity for writing from his pov in fics. don't know what that's about.

(also, you didn't ask about her but i adore nyssa and her character progression. she scares me. i love that.)

#asks #agents-of-fangirling #arrow for ts #anti oliver queen

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tracingpatterns · 7 years

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Beyond the Wrong and into the Pattern

Last week, Kai Cole shocked the internet when she came clean about her ex-husband, the screenwriter and director Joss Whedon, who is best known as the creator of the television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In a scathing essay for the Wrap, Cole describes Whedon’s repeated violation of their relationship boundaries, his lying and gaslighting, and the ways that his neglect led her to compromise her integrity as she struggled to keep their 16-year marriage together:

“Joss admitted that for the next decade and a half, he hid multiple affairs and a number of inappropriate emotional ones that he had with his actresses, co-workers, fans and friends, while he stayed married to me,” Cole writes. “Despite understanding, on some level, that what he was doing was wrong, he never conceded the hypocrisy of being out in the world preaching feminist ideals, while at the same time taking away my right to make choices for my life and my body based on the truth. He said, after he left, he understood: ‘It’s not just like I killed you, but that I’d done it subtly, over years. That I’d been poisoning you. Chipping away at you.’ He made me doubt my own instincts and watched me move further away from my personal values and social mores, trying to connect with him, never telling me it was impossible."

Cheating is often perceived as a problem in a marriage rather than one of boundaries and consent. Marriage, after all, is easy to categorize as part of patriarchy’s structural constraints on women, a dated mechanism that cannot be expected to “work.” Looked at it a different way, however -- as an agreement made by people about their needs and limits -- it becomes much easier to understand how repeatedly stepping out without any effort to renegotiate the existing relationship agreement is, in essence, a denial of a partner’s right to exercise agency. “It’s not just like I killed you,” Whedon told her, referencing the ultimate denial of agency. But it’s worse than that: it’s that he acted like she didn’t have a right to agency.

A recurring pattern of cheating is emotionally destabilizing -- in order to keep the relationship going, a partner must be lied to and sometimes gaslit. As instances of emotional neglect, disconnection and misattunement pile up, the partner being lied to begins to exercise betrayal blindness to cope with the mounting cognitive dissonance. This process is largely not conscious. As the betrayal scholar Dr. Jennifer Freyd writes, “unawareness helps the victim survive. [Betrayal theory] draws on two facts about our nature as social beings and our dependence and reliance on others. First, we are extremely vulnerable in infancy, which gives rise to a powerful attachment system [that views maintaining the bonds we form with others as a biological imperative]. Second, we have a constant need to make ‘social contracts’ with other people in order to get needs met. This has led to the development of a powerful cheater-detector system. These two aspects of our humanity serve us well, but when the person we are dependent on is also the person betraying us, our two standard responses to trouble conflict with each other. [ ... ] The standard response to betrayal -- confrontation or withdrawal -- may only make the situation worse for the person who depends on the [person doing the betraying], because confrontation and withdrawal are generally not good for inspiring attachment and caregiving.” Freyd’s research and that of others in the past 30 years indicate that terror and violence are not the only things capable of traumatizing someone: betrayal does as well.

Cole’s account illustrates why Lundy Bancroft recognizes “the Player” as one of the archetypal patterns of abuse in his seminal work on relational harm Why Does He Do That? Abuse is defined by entitlement (or to use Whedon’s own words: “When I was running Buffy, I was surrounded by beautiful, needy, aggressive young women [ ... ] I am a powerful producer and the world is laid out at my feet and I can’t touch it.” Except he did touch it and he felt justified in touching it (“In many ways I was the height of normal, in this culture. We’re taught to be providers and companions and at the same time, to conquer and acquire -- specifically sexually -- and I was pulling off both!”). Even as he admits that he had affairs that violated his wife’s consent and created literal hostile workplace environments on his sets, Whedon frames it not as deeply troubling pattern he needs to address but as a banquet laid out for him. The women with whom he had affairs aren’t agents any more than Cole is -- they are food items laid out for him. Like his then-wife, Whedon’s sexual partners are not humans with a right to self-determine. The world laid out a table and cruelly told him not to eat -- there are no other humans in this picture. “He is incapable of taking women seriously as human beings rather than playthings,” to quote Bancroft.

Whedon has suggested over the years that cheating on Cole was a personal problem specific to the tragedy of their growing apart over the course of nearly two decades together. However, his troubled history of relationships with other women -- from actresses and crew working on his shows, to other romantic partners -- and his work loudly contradict this assertion. In a 2015 analysis of his work, Laurel Jupiter spoke to the core of Whedon’s pattern:

The initial patriarchal villains of the Buffyverse were men who abused women using either brute strength or political power, but the three nerds [introduced later on in Buffy] are another kind of misogynistic male antagonist that grew to dominate and completely consume Joss’s work in the 00s: the nerdy, story-obsessed guy who used his intelligence and mastery of technology to abuse and control strong, heroic women. Nerdy men who, like Joss, either created or tampered with the women they wanted total control over, either by building androids or altering existing women, usually via invasive medical torture.

Joss the writer invents the character of Buffy while having workplace clashes with her actress Sarah Michelle Gellar; [the three nerd villains in Buffy] Andrew, Warren, and Jonathan drug their girlfriends into compliance and create the BuffyBot to obey their will. This villain character would show up again and again in Joss’ later works: the scientist who had, thanks to his technical and storytelling skills, been given custody by higher powers over women who would normally be far out of his range of influence. And, uncomfortably, all of the actors cast for these roles bore a striking physical resemblance to Joss.

[The episode “Storyteller” in Buffy] was a story about Andrew the Joss-doppelgänger filming the house of potential Slayers for a series he called Buffy, Slayer of the Vampyres. A major theme of “Storyteller” was Andrew’s intrusive use of the Buffy cast’s personal lives and pain to make a good story, his refusal to acknowledge their privacy, and possibly, as Anya kept insisting, to use his videos as masturbation material. It seemed like a huge moment of self-awareness and self-reflection about the relationship Joss had to the real and fictional women who worked for him, especially given the conflicts he had at the time with actresses like Charisma Carpenter over her character Cordelia and personal bodily autonomy (pregnancy) [He reportedly fired Carpenter for getting pregnant as well as other abuses]. It was self-critical and raw and I was proud of Joss for being willing to go there in such a public way.

Buffy ended, and Andrew redeemed himself, but the misogynist-nerd-self-loathing metastory intensified. One of the aspects of the Three Nerds villain arc that had always made me profoundly uncomfortable was the way Joss positioned the boys’ nerdy pursuits and lack of traditional masculinity -- not just their treatment of women -- as something inherently repulsive. Viewers were supposed to be disgusted by the sight of three dorky boys nerding out over Star Wars figurines. Buffy and the house full of potential slayers call Andrew vile names for being a nerd, not in response to his behavior [toward them]; by the end of his run, I felt the urge to protect Andrew -- not from the girls, but from Joss -- who was clearly using him as a punching bag onto which he was projecting his own self-loathing.

The next major Joss project was Dollhouse, with evil scientist and Joss-lookalike Topher Brink programming, manipulating, and violating various women into playacting roles he’d scripted for them. It was such a blatant story about Joss and his actresses it was difficult to watch. Like, My Feminism Is Just An Excuse To Exploit Hot Actresses, I Am Such A Disgusting Creature!!! Coming soon to the CW!

At some point in his career, Joss became so intent on the masochistic fantasy of being hated by strong women for being a nerd that he spent a decade writing stories about violating those women to ensure they would hate him.

This pattern shows through in Cole’s essay. She, a strong and self-possessed woman, supported and buttressed Whedon’s dreams and pushed him to develop these into a career. She cofounded Bellwether Pictures with him. She kept their life together as he worked on numerous projects. She adored him, and he ensured her destruction and through it, that of their marriage.

It’s tempting to imagine that marriage is complicated, that the fault hides in the love and attention Whedon was not receiving from his wife. But then why would he destroy the next relationship he had in which a new partner offered to explore a non-exclusive relationship together?

After his separation from Cole, Whedon had the opportunity to have a nonmonogamous relationship in which he could explore his interest in power-exchange (that is, erotic play involving power and control, or BDSM). He chose instead to slowly poison this partner too, to use his own words, but in a different way. Arden Leigh, singer songwriter of Arden and the Wolves, writes:

In the wake of his separation I offered him a consensual non-monogamous BDSM relationship so he could have his fantasies responsibly, and he STILL chose monogamy and lying.

I figured hey, marriages are messy, and while there was no question he made mistakes (which he admitted), I chalked it up to societal default monogamy and sexual repression being the problem. I thought he deserved a chance at having what he wanted in an honest way, and I offered him that. And in return he took everything I offered and then piled so much shame on me for it that I spent a good year of my life thinking I was completely unworthy of love, that I'd always fall on the wrong side of someone's Madonna/whore complex. The effort I've undertaken since the start of 2016 to undo this fuckery has been monumental.

Monogamy is not the problem. One troublesome marriage is not the problem. When you hate yourself so much that you only get off when the women you desire hate you too, then you will continue to hurt people so that you can revel in the guilt over what a piece of shit you are. And when you are a rich white man who has every resource to heal and instead you consciously choose not to so that you can stay in the comfort of your patterns of hurting both others and yourself, that's no different from abuse. And I'm glad to see it made public.

Looking over the archetypes of abuse that Bancroft describes in Why Does He Do That? we begin to recognize that the infidelity described by both of Whedon’s former partners is actually a symptom, rather than the problem itself. In many ways, Whedon’s use of his position as a feminist ally bears more resemblance to Bancroft’s “Mr. Sensitive” than “the Player”:

He loves the language of feelings, openly sharing his insecurities, his fears, and his emotional injuries. [ ... ] Often he has participated extensively in therapy or twelve-step programs, or reads all the big self-help books, so he speaks the language of popular psychology and introspection. His vocabulary is sprinkled with jargon like developing closeness, working out our issues, and facing up to hard things about myself. He presents himself to women as an ally in the struggle against sex-role limitations.

Mr. Sensitive wraps himself in one of the most persuasive covers a man can have. If you start to feel chronically mistreated by him, you are likely to assume that something is wrong with you, and if you complain about him to other people, they may think you must be spoiled: ‘You have the New Age man, what more do you want?’

He blames his behavior on you or on his emotional ‘issues,’ saying that his feelings were so deeply wounded he had no other choice. [ ... ] The “gentle man” style of abuser tends to be highly self-centered and demanding of emotional catering. He plays up how fragile he is to divert attention from the swatch of destruction he leaves behind him.

#abuser tactics #trauma impact #joss whedon #kai cole #cheating #emotional abuse

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ssaalexblake · 7 years

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12, 2, 15?

2 - Villains

Lilah Morgan. Like, no contest, number one. Totally evil, intelligent, fully rounded, humanised, in relationship with (for the most part) good guy, but like, still evil.

Mariah Dillard, just, luke cage was an incredible, incredible show and i don’t think i’d do it justice to describe why i love her so much here, but alfre woodard killed it.

AIDA/Ophelia, in agents of shield. I haven’t sworn at my screen so much at a villain for???? a long long time. She was awful, manipulative, abusive, and also, understandable. Like, a total hypocrite, an awful gaslighting hypocrite, but her motivations were understandable, if a little sci-fi cliche. I hated her. It was great writing, actually. Aside from the whole woman in her 20′s and an old man pairing. I mean, it was horrible, had disturbing stuff in the plot, and made me want to flip tables, but like, in the good way.

Dolores Umbridge. I cringe just thinking of that name. I think first reading that book, the same age as Harry at the time, with a teacher far too similar, solidified that one tbh (i used to refer to said teacher as ‘satan’s love child’ so...)

Debbie Jelininsky, from the addams family values. Honestly, she was just fun. I enjoy a good fun villain every now and again, and in a series where the protagonists are morbid and dark, it forces the villains to be different, and it was nice.

12 - Who I think deserved better endings (any woman who got fridged)

Cordelia Chase (and charisma carpenter fuck y’all creative team), because, like, really??? Cordelia’s development throughout btvs and ats is one of my favourite character arcs of all time, it’s incredible, except... you know... the mystical pregnancy trope ugh... with a side of workplace discrimination against a pregnant woman. She deserved better than to have her memory wrest from her just for the dudes to angst over, then to have her body be hijacked by a demon, then be used as an incubator for another demon, and to then slip into a coma and die. Anyway i cannot think of one instance of the mystical pregnancy trope that isn’t misogynistic in any way so sci-fi/fantasy need to desist.

Alex. I could devolve into a puddle of Alex anger right now, but like, my feelings on how poorly alex was treated/written out have been hashed out more than once on here,so i’ll save it. Alex Blake deserved more than this shit.

Elizabeth Weir. throughout the 15 seasons of sga and sg1 put together, ‘we don’t leave anybody behind’ is a HUGE facet. People defy orders, do monumentally stupid crap, all in the name of not leaving that person behind. So, naturally, elizabeth is left to be replicator chow (or whatever they did to her tbh they don’t eat so??) because Sheppard just... left. He left her there. Bullshit. And then Higginson won’t come back because of the disgusting creators so they bring her back~ in another replicator body who Sheppard then spaces??? sure. sure ok.

Jenny Calendar. Like, i’m aware that since she was trying to restore Angelus’ soul, and he found out, is why she died, and therefore she doesn’t qualify as fridged, but i can still be mad because i read that it was oz they were gonna get rid of but ppl liked him more so they killed Jenny. Plus this horrified me as a child.

This is, oddly subjective. But Clarice Starling. I’ve always taken a less ~happy route than some and less~ugh fuck no route than others when it comes to how her story ends. I personally think it’s intensely depressing that she just... Doesn’t win, and have always taken that to be the point. Nothing she fought for or wanted happens. I mean, technically she’s happy (technically, lecter is a shit) and honestly she wouldn’t get any happier than that, but that’s actively why it’s depressing. She never got the respect she sought, she never gets treated fairly, people never stop being shit in general and to her. The happy ending designed for her, she never sees a second of it. She ends up in Argentina with a cannibal who may or may not have drugged her into it, and we get to realise she wouldn’t have had it better anywhere else, tbh. This is subjective because in terms of how i view it, i actually like the ending, but actively /because/ she deserves so much more than that but does not get it. She deserved so much more, as did every other woman in this series, but it’s not like they get it.

15 - I want to rescue from their horrible narratives

Dana Scully. I have decided the x files is my bad boyfriend, i want more, but shouldn’t because it’s never satisfying and leaves me wanting better than i get. But txf’s use of the incubator trope, again, and it’s constant, constant, barrage of crap aimed at her to mostly hurt mulder, tbh, and i’m done. there is too much to cover, but like, the bit that annoys me is seasons one to ten. I’m sure 11 will join them soon.

Sansa Stark. Not even gonna begin to go there.

A minorish one, but in madam secretary the way they treat their son Jason is a million times less harsh than the shit they throw at stevie and Alison, and i’d kind of like to rescue them both from sexist parenting??? I think the pinnacle of that one was when Stevie dropped out of college because the abuse and crap she got from strangers just because of her mother’s job got too much for her, was treated disdainfully by the narrative and never acknowledged by said mother in a decent way, but their son Jason punched a dude and got expelled for basically the same reasons and got like... a pat on the back??? Son commits violent act: oh wow ok team us!!! Daughter suffers b/c of parents’ action: how dare u be such a screw up Stevie! Plus, they keep fucking with Stevie’s narrative to keep her in the show and it’s stunting her character. They want to keep their 23 yr old daughter on the show so she can’t go to school or anything. It’s annoying. (tho there is a fantastic x files joke in there about stevie so it’s almost forgiven).

Laurel Castillo, like, honestly writers???

Tara McClay, there was good stuff, stuff i greatly appreciate, but honestly, really, what the fuck???? First her family, then glory, then willow, some extra willow b/c she never did admit she did anything wrong, and then, oh yeah, death, for willow.

#yetanothercriminalmindsfanatic #meme thingy

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Leonard has to come back alive at some point doesn't he? WM/Captain Cold is one of the most popular actors/characters in the DCTV universe. I know you brought up the example of Black Canary, but the actor and character aren't nearly as loved by viewers. The Flash writers are more respectful of comics history than the Arrow writers and Len is too important to Barry's story. Also a lot of fans hate Laurel's character. They prefer Olicity and don't see a point for her without Oliver.

“the actor and character aren’t nearly as loved by viewers”

Like you said, the majority of people who hated Laurel (in any extreme way) are (Ol*c*ty) shippers or stans of Felicity. Anyone who doesn’t think Black Canary has a “point” outside of romance with Oliver is… pretty misogynistic tbh. Please don’t let a very vocal minority of hateful fans convince you that that is the norm.

A lot of people, and I mean a lot, loved Laurel. Her journey through grief, alcoholism, and developing heroism was hugely important to huge sections of viewers. Maybe not as much in season 1, but as things developed, she became more beloved by more and more viewers. And she was also beloved by fans of the comics and people in that industry to being with.

The backlash of them killing Black Canary was huge. Big enough that they were forced to reverse her death (via the introduction of Black Siren, eventually) despite them initially promising that this death would be final with no means of bringing back the killed character. They had to backpedal almost immediately after it aired and start saying “oh we didn’t mean final final~”.

That backlash was way bigger than it has been about them killing Leonard. Even casual non-fandom viewers disliked them killing BC. It tends to be more diehard fans who are mad about the maintained death of Len, from what I can tell? Fans of the comics who want a Rogues arc and not so much the casual viewers who maybe don’t engage with fandom.

Considering critics vastly preferred Legends S2 over S1, I’d say his death hasn’t hurt the show all that much on the metrics the producers care about.

As for being respectful of comics history, while I’d agree that the Flash writers absolutely seem to care more about that, it was the Legends writers who killed Len, and it’s up to the Flash to decide if they want to bring him back or if they want to move forward with different storylines instead. Hell, they might decide to turn this into a Chillblaine storyline (Lisa giving a/the cold gun to one of her lovers, who doesn’t have anywhere near Len’s restraint or leadership). Because Len has died in the comics in some arcs.

And the Flash writers might also decide they’re more or less done with him, after having made him a compelling villain then humanizing him. They might’ve seen how Legends went and decided they didn’t want to touch that. It’s impossible to say. And while I think they’re throwing away a lot of potential by keeping Len dead and I’m #bitter about all of this, I can absolutely believe that they would keep it that way anyway.

#sorry anon #i'm not saying it's impossible they'd bring him back #but definitely don't think of it as a guarantee or something they have to do #they've got grodd and younger-RF and abra and devoe #they've got most of the other rogues and could make sam in charge #they wasted alchemy too so it's not totally like they're clinging to keeping their villains or respecting their origins #leonard snart #captain cold #meta #canonical character death #Anonymous #replies

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Im crying in the school bathroom rn I seriously love wonho so much I'm in pain why is he my ideal guy in every way he's so amazing and handsome and sweet but whO CARES BEVause he don't kno me haha am I right

big mood all the time im always in pain bc he rly................ doesn’t KNOW i would let him shave off my eyebrows if he wanted 2

tardy replies as usual under the cut!

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I wouldn't even care if wonho was a high maintenance boyf tbh I'd just sit and comb his hair all day and tell him he's pretty

hdjkfh this was so long ago but i think i was mostly kidding abt him being a high maintenance bf... like he would do so much giving? but i guess the only thing he’d need is constant reassurance that his s/o loves him imo jfdhgjk... i also think he’d b someone who either doesn’t settle down ever or does it very late in his life!

annie 🌹literary queen ❤️ literally crowned with a laurel wreath! not be drum attic but this midsummer nights monsta au is so!!!! give me sistar as the four star crossed lovers then drag me to h*ll and give me this doctor faustus au i'm itching for with kihyun as faustus and k.will as mephistopheles bc i love to watch my faves s*ffer but don't let me rip until i get my much ado about nothing au with the entire cast of starship ent and a lil cameo from giriboy!

(in refence to this monsta x as shakespearean archetypes ask!) fjdshgkjs shh i lov u... why is k will as mephistopheles so Accurate esp no.mercy k will lmao. um u should write all of these? in fact if... if anyone has mx literary aus.... hmu...... i’ll n*t

another thing about that incident is that it seems like the fan doesn't think Changkyun and Jooheon undersood them?? (an extension i guess they assumed they don't understand english very well) and that's pretty problematic. it seems to me that when they didn't respond the fan assumed they didn't understand and kept repeating it, as a joke. but they literally did That to the two with the most proficient english in the group... it's rly a mess all around. it's disrespectful through and through

(in relation to that gross “d*ddy” incident from a while ago) ik i feel like some intl fans think korea is a land completely culturally and linguistically alienated/divorced from the rest of the world or something and while cultural relativism is real to some extent... the idea that koreans are completely unaware of ~outside~ things is deeply racist. like mostly white ppl think that diasphoric poc are completely Different from them? when my mum went to the states 15 years ago some ppl literally asked her if there were newspapers in china lol...

i just randomly thought of monsta x as sesame street characters mostly bc i wanna see kihyun and wonho duke it out as bert and ernie (kihyun w/ the waste paper bin on his head and wonho asking 'where's the waste paper bin' and kihyun saying 'ask me that again and look into my eyes') and also minhyuk being elmo tbh...

JKGHKJDF PLEASe!!!! when will something like this b photoshopped... minhyuk as elmo is... spot on... i remember once elmo appeared on a now-discontinued late night talk show program i used to watch when i was in primary school and he was like “elmo likes wasabi, that’s why elmo has no eyebrows” and idk why ive never been able to forget this????? very lmh. also this made me think of a monsta x muppets au n minhyuk is the pic of ass-gape kermit.... next post of mine will b monsta x as kermit reaction pics

Hyungkyun is such an under appreciated ship. Like, they just get each other so well? Why do people overlook it. ㅠ.ㅠ Do you have a moment that made you ship them? How would you describe their dynamic?

it’s bc they’re intp x intj they don’t rly... Understand each other with minimal effort/real communication lmao it’s very efficient. both quiet lil darlings who aren’t emotionally That Open but enjoy their own little space together sometimes?? their dynamic is like... they’re weird in different ways but they’re v chill together. u can tell hyungwon is super fond of changkyun like he has this Expression when ck does anything at all.... i think these two rly love each other’s personalities bc they’re both kind/gentle/peaceful types and their overall ?? vibe is just highly compatible... they’re absolute darlings... v soft together... i can’t think of a favourite moment but i rly rly love their birthday messages for each other last year like changkyun’s message for hyungwon was like “ur rly cool bruh ur rly such a great person” and hyungwon’s message for changkyun was rly... just him obviously doting on him n finding him cute jksfdhg i lov them a lot :(

soyou: i know how to make hair pretty :))) knetz: dirty fckn iljin why can't she be out there being being PRODUCTIVE in society by having babies and learning how to be a good wife for her future husband ://// smh how dare she be successful now when i'm stuck doing what society wants me to do but also anonymously attacking ppl i don't personally know on the internet bc THATS respectable the irony of ugly knetz is so transparent

The whole thing about Knetz and wonho's "scandalous" past reminded me of something. As a PSA to those people who are so insistent and pushy that idols aren't allowed to have sex/date/be anything but straight: Fuck all of you. You do not own these people, and if you really cared about them you'd be happy if they were happy. Like tbh, if anyone that famous and busy could also balance out a relationship at the same time, I'd be so happy for them. It really bugs me how all idols are supposed (1/2)(2/2) have this squeaky clean innocent image where they have to look and act a certain way and have these stupid fucking dating bans because once they don't meet up to that image their success suffers. Idols already give up so much privacy, and the last thing they need is millions of people scrutinizing every little thing they do. I don't even know where I started this rant from, but basically, GIVE IDOLS PRIVACY AND DONT JUDGE THEM FOR THEIR PASTS OR FOR BEING IN RELATIONSHIPS OR WHATEVER

yeth ty for highlighting the gross obsession w purity and productivity (like the first anon said -- a very confucian sort of ideal)... i don’t rly have anything else to add here i think. also i would fight for soyou i fact i would fight lmh who said she was his ideal type in no.mercy era... she’s rly one of my faves and the way she was slandered for the hairdressing thing was one of the most ridiculous things knets ever did lmao honestly yuk

u a kihyun stan now👀👀👀

im a @fhiz stan it’s the same thing tbh

ahh so i saw your tags on that jh gifset! as one of the few jh stans (or maybe there are way more than i think there are lol) i rly love his "reversal charm." he has a lot of what i lack as a person: a strong presence and a lot of confidence! i respect him so much as a person alth i rag on him a lot LMAO. sorry if this is a bit long winded but i just rly wanted to put this out there ;;

this is rly cute i lov hearing ppl talk abt their faves lovingly it rly... Heals Me. i think it’s strange how underappreciated jooheon is in this fandom especially bc he’s usually the one who catches ur eye first bc he’s so hyped by starship as being a one-in-a-million talented rapper u know? and he rly shines in mvs and no.mercy but............. y does he have the least fansites jkfhdg ?? you’re v right abt the reversal charm thing but i feel like sometimes it’s very overdone like... on lots of shows he’s asked to do aegyo when rly he should be asked to... idk... rap or dance or something?? i actually think jooheon is the most serious member of monsta x sometimes bc he seems to have a sense that he’s.. the pillar of mx if that makes sense? and that’s why he’s always pushing himself and working tirelessly like he feels very Responsible for this group, more than anyone else. idk if that makes sense!!! i love him and i want him to... unwind a bit bc sometimes he looks so stressed and tired but he still feels the need to pretend to be energetic like my heart rly hurts for him :/ this got so emo im sry i do rly love to hear that u respect him sm i love jooheon stans :(

i can see what u mean about jooheon being 1 of the most masculine. (iirc u also talked abt kihyun being that in a post a while ago) like with his face and his physique he really is striking; his body=like that slim,upside-down Y that you'd learn to draw men w/ in Anatomy 101 , but i think.. ,--not that u asked, but,, i think the jury's still out on if he's comfortable w his masculinity with the way he acts feminine lyk misogynistic comedians Can sound like dead ringers for women,? idk & i take +

(not sure if there was a 2nd part to this? there’s nothing else in my inbox so i’m sry if there was and tumblr ate it) yeth i think i meant that his demeanor is the most ~~masculine~~ whereas i think kihyun is still the most... idk... mature-masculine?? if tht makes sense, and i definitely agree w u on that second point! i didn’t think of that at the time but now that i... do... think abt it... ur right and also the way he comes back from it by putting on the >swag demeanor again in an attempt to polarise it is definitely a bit 👀👀👀 he probably doesn’t want to risk his Manly Rapper Image for real u kno? that said it’s ingrained in kpop that behaving cute --> “girly” entails that sort of “comedic” high-pitched voice + compact body language etc.... like i’m not condoning that ofc but i definitely think it’s broader than this particular case! :/ hm

maybe i'd be doing better in school if i could major in kihyunology ;~; i stan him but i def think we still don't know much about him even after all this time after debut. especially when i look at him compared to wonho who wears his heart on his sleeve (bless him i love wonho sm, gotta protect this bun at all costs!!)...but ya it just makes me wanna learn more about him like who is the real kihyun??

i want to write a kihyun meta when i have time... i feel like i Get him a bit more these days but it’s also very hard to put into words bc u kno when u kinda sorta mb get some1 but it’s a feeling rather than anything conveniently expressable gkjdhfjk.... idk if anyone wants to send in some Kihyun Thoughts + Meta feel free! :>> i don’t think he’s actually... as complex as we sometimes make him out to be lol like his behaviour is actually kind of predictable? more on his later

wait is the february comeback actually true? ugh i'm so conflicted cuz on one hand i'm excited if there's really gonna be a full length album, but i also think they need more rest but then there's the matter of getting their first win and idk i'm super psyched but i'm also worried that the boys are being overworked

i still feel like they had a comeback like yesterday lol like looking at their schedules stresses me out bc they do so much..... im glad wonho got to go to his mum’s cafe recently tho! all we can do is have faith in them rn and when it’s time... stream, buy things if ur able to, spread the news and the hype etc. i am definitely Worried abt some things like the competition they’re up against but.... gotta have faith u kno... and i feel like all active idols are kind of... permanently worked very hard but i think currently only jooheon and shownu are a bit Overloaded. also has the date been confirmed yet... it’s february already...

#i planned 2 answer more but im... sleepy...#soon... i will... catch up... and make this blog neater + more navigation-friendly #ask #compilation #Anonymous

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dani-camp · 4 years

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predictions for the series finale

mostly just to see how good i am at trying to get into these writers’ heads when i actually sit down and think about it

in general, i think we’re casting too wide of a net prediction-wise. yes, the writers seem like they’re smoking crack some days. but overall, they’ve given us a really decent show with brilliant dialogue, actually surprising plot twists, and consistent characterization. i’ve also noticed several callbacks to the first season throughout this final season, which is probably a nice benefit of them knowing this was going to be the last season. so i think we need to think more about what the overall message is. maybe this is putting too much faith in the writers, but i do think they are credible enough that you should be able to watch the first episode and the last episode back to back and be able to make parallels.

in regards to the trial, i think annalise is going to be acquitted and all of the other keating five too. after all, it’s in the show’s name that they all get away with it. OR in the same vein, annalise will be found guilty and everyone else (frank, bonnie, laurel, connor, nate, michaela) will get away with it, possibly because annalise willingly takes all the blame for it. this will include exonerating asher posthumously and telling a more honest version of the truth about sam and rebecca’s death, exonerating the possibly still-alive wes as well. small note, i don’t think gabriel will ever face any consequences for murdering vivian’s boyfriend either. this prediction comes from the emphasis consistently put upon the fact that annalise is the one person in the series who has never murdered anyone, directly or indirectly. she can’t get away with murder if she never murdered anyone. it has always been about annalise telling them how to get away with murder and then putting that into action--idk i feel like she may do it one last time.

i’ve heard some theories that alfie is only there to portray adult christopher in the future, which i do believe has some credence. but like i said, i think we can give the writers a little more credit than that. they’ve never dangled such an important reveal over us before just to pull the rug, and i don’t feel that they’re desperate enough to do that now when they’re not vying for another season or anything. they like crazy plot twists, sure, but that would definitely register more as a let down than a plot twist. on the other hand, i noticed a little hint that annalise and/or bonnie might know that wes is alive in this past episode which is giving me a little hope: annalise said something along the lines of “who’s the defense going to pull out next, asher from the grave? wes?” and then bonnie gives her a long meaningful look. just the way she said it made it sound like a separate concept--asher from the grave OR wes vs. asher from the grave? or wes from the grave? THAT JUST MAY BE WISH FULFILLMENT THOUGH. also annalise’s picture at her funeral flash-forwards looked up-to-date, not aged or anything. and i don’t know if we could realistically believe that annalise would still look like that in the seventeen years its taken christopher to age--then again, they really tried to make us believe that gabriel could’ve been annalise’s actually-not-stillborn baby during season five so maybe the writers just think we can’t do math. or they thought an aged-up photo would be too much of a giveaway. idk.

related to “will the writers yank the wes reveal out from under us after teasing it for six episodes?”, are the writers actually going to let annalise live after teasing that she was getting killed all season? i’m way more iffy on that. sure, we see flash-forwards of annalise’s funeral, but we also saw a dream scenario of annalise’s funeral in the first episode of the season, too. and that just so happens to be the only time we see wes, who thus far has not been confirmed to be alive. and even if she does die, it doesn’t necessarily mean she’s murdered. she could die as a result of her alcoholism (teased since season one) or she could die in jail (violence in jail has also been consistently teased since season one). or she could die naturally, several years into the future. this is in my opinion confirmed by peter nowalk--("Annalise does die, I will say," creator Peter Nowalk revealed. "I'll also add, we all die.")--as in, we all die eventually and not necessarily from some crazy scenario. and annalise is pretty much the oldest of the main cast so it’s not crazy to think they’ll wrap it all up by bringing everyone else together at her funeral.

either way, i really don’t think any of the kids are going to get serious jail time or too-harsh consequences. they’re karma houdinis because that’s the whole point of the show. there’s also been special emphasis put upon connor and oliver’s desire to move away and have a normal life with a family and a dog, so i think that will definitely happen. michaela will be a lawyer because that’s always been her number one priority, from her conversation with aiden that he was likelier to be her trophy husband than she was to be a housewife to her asking the fbi if she could still be a lawyer after her plea deal and her dad reassuring her she would. laurel? i’m not sure. she always had this thing about not wanting to give everything up to be a mother (frank’s first characterization of her, which she called misogynistic) but that’s the dilemma she’s dealing with now--so the finale will likely address that altogether. maybe it hinges on whether wes actually is alive or not?

less of a prediction, more of an observation: the evidence and testimony and everything is so muddled and twisted that it would be a legal nightmare to try to prosecute the kids anyways. i still don’t even understand why the fbi is trying to do it with annalise tbh--they’ve got at least three lying witnesses, none of which have the same story. almost all evidence is circumstantial and based on hearsay. two other agents were found to have been coerced during the investigation. the deaths of denver and emmett don’t fit into their narrative at all. their whole case is paper thin tbh. this whole trial in this episode has literally been the least compelling court case i’ve seen on this show--idk if the writers realize that or not. if it’s intentional, maybe it’s just to foreshadow that it actually won’t be that hard for annalise to be acquitted, especially with the addition of jorge’s testimony.

i think there will be some kind of... conclusion to this annalise as a matriarch story arc. obviously we know annalise has major trauma surrounding her desire and ability to be a literal mother and has acted as a surrogate mother to pretty much the entire cast along the way, including frank and bonnie. i mean, they’ve addressed it in-universe during annalise and bonnie’s therapy sessions, in what ophelia has said to annalise, even having annalise be connected with most of the cast’s biological parents--the majority of which do not have a positive mother figure in their life. sadly, i do think this conclusion might be my prediction that she takes the fall for all of them; sacrificing all for her spiritual children. OR (i just now thought of this) in some crazy way, she’ll end up getting custody of christopher somehow. she is his godmother, after all, so it’s not completely off the table. wes & his son christopher have always acted as stand-ins for the children annalise could never have.

happy prediction: whatever happens, i do think tegan and annalise will end on a romantic note. annalise identifying herself as bisexual in front of a courtroom just episodes after she told her mother she didn’t know what she was seems important. and idk why they’d build them up for multiple seasons and as intellectual equals if not to follow through at the last moment. robert showing up to her hearing uninvited was the nail in the coffin for them. same as emmett dying and isaac relapsing. i think it’s more meaningful for annalise to end up with a lovely lady (and i can understand why this thought process can seem like i’m saying bisexual people are less bisexual when they date people of the opposite gender, and i’m aware that’s not the case. i just think it’s more significant for annalise to openly date a woman after only dating eve and struggling with a fluid sexuality than it would be for her to end up with some guy or alone, with god forbid sam’s last name). who knows? maybe eve will pop up in the end, baby in tow for annalise to finally mother. frank did have her saved as “the one” in his phone.

a less optimistic prediction: we’re not getting all our questions answered. there’s still so much we don’t know. did asher’s dad really kill himself? was emmett’s heart attack really a heart attack? who killed hannah? is wes alive? does someone actually kill annalise? will anyone find out who actually killed asher? will anyone find out about the incest? is simon okay? and these are just the b and c and d and f storyline plot holes of the past. much less who ends up with who, who goes to jail, who lives happily ever after.

a very crazy theory i just came up with: annalise takes the blame, convicted for all murders and coercion and evidence tampering, etc. except she escapes from jail with help from nate & co. and goes into hiding and dies much later, but they only have an outdated photo of her because she never took new photos. wes is there at her funeral finally ready to come out of hiding himself because annalise took the fall for everything. everyone reunites at her funeral, finally giving her a PROPER FUCKING THANK YOU, and they are safe from suspicion because of annalise’s sacrifice and the time that has passed. wes and christopher and laurel get to be a family. the end. YEP, that’s what i’m going with.

if you read all of this, i am so so sorry.

#htgawm

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Adam Cayton-Holland, Denver’s biggest comedian, gets personal amid national media blitz

Adam Cayton-Holland cringes at certain jokes he used to tell, like the one about a homeless guy holding a sign that read “anything helps” (“So I spit on him,” he used to say) or the one with a word that’s off-limits even for most stand-ups — who tend to value shocked reactions over none at all.

“It relied on (this) hacky premise where I said, ‘Why is it that every actor reaches a point in their career when they feel they have to play a retarded person?’ ” Cayton-Holland said. “We’re talking first year into comedy here.”

The 37-year-old Denver native, best known for his truTV sitcom “Those Who Can’t,” disavows those now, not because the jokes are offensive (he knows they are) but because they’re cheap.

He’s moved past some other things, too, since he was laid off from the Westword alt-newsweekly in 2009 and decided to embrace comedy full-time.

His snappy, occasionally harsh material and self-consciously arrogant persona have trended more personal and thoughtful, betraying a sensitive, liberal-arts school graduate at heart. The pace of his showbiz ascent has quickened, particularly as he’s grappled with a personal tragedy that has, in turn, inspired him to reach for loftier rungs.

“I feel really lucky I got my opportunity when I did,” said Cayton-Holland, who this month released his first album on Comedy Central Records (“Adam Cayton-Holland Performs His Signature Bits,” his third overall) and celebrated with a March 22 appearance on “The Late Late Show with James Corden” — the day before his album reached No. 1 on iTunes’ comedy chart.

“I’ve worked hard, but I don’t know if a lot of people are coming around looking for three straight white dudes in 2018.”

Cayton-Holland is referring to his comedy troupe, The Grawlix, which features Denver-bred — and now Los Angeles-based — stand-ups Andrew Orvedahl and Ben Roy. In the #MeToo age, they look less like groundbreakers and more like remnants of a showbiz past where all faces and voices were measured against similarly white, male entertainers.

“The #MeToo movement is so important and so exciting to watch,” Cayton-Holland said. “It’s a bull in a china shop and everything needs to break. And material-wise, any comic should always be evolving. If you have an overtly misogynistic joke or ones that include rape (as a subject) you have to ask yourself, ‘Who’s the punchline? Am I subverting anything?’ You have to think about why it is you’re saying what you’re saying.”

Cayton-Holland comes from a family with staunch progressive values: his father, John Holland, is a well-known civil rights lawyer in Denver; his mother, Linda Cayton, is a former investigative journalist. (His older sister, Anna, joined the family law practice in 2004.)

The Grawlix troupe is no slouch, either, having essentially created Denver’s DIY comedy scene as it exists today. Starting in 2011 — and for several years before that, under different names and incarnations at bars and warehouse spaces — their monthly shows offered the hippest, most reliably adventurous stand-up in the city.

With regular sell-outs at the Avenue and Bug theaters, “The Grawlix” secured its creators an aggressive, punk-rock reputation that resulted in a Funny or Die web series, a short-lived deal with Amazon Studios and, eventually, their truTV sitcom, “Those Who Can’t,” which is set in Denver but filmed in Los Angeles. (The already-completed third season is expected to air this fall, although a date has not been set.)

As a result, no other comic in Colorado has what Cayton-Holland has. Several Denver-based stand-ups, such as Josh Blue, enjoy careers as national headliners, but Cayton-Holland’s level of success — a network sitcom, enviable late-night TV laurels and a Comedy Central deal — is nearly unheard-of for people based outside the showbiz hubs of L.A. and New York.

Fiercely loyal to his home state, Cayton-Holland also co-created the annual High Plains Comedy Festival, which last summer celebrated five years of showcasing local and national comics while advertising the laid-back joys of Colorado culture.

“I’m an unabashed fan,” said Gov. John Hickenlooper, who attended — and, according to the groom, gave a rousing toast at — Cayton-Holland’s wedding in 2016, which took place at Saint Ignatius Loyola Catholic Church near City Park. “I met Adam when he was a full-time writer for Westword, and it turned out we both went to the same little college (Wesleyan University). We’ve gotten to be genuine friends. He is, and not just when he’s in front of the camera, an outrageously funny person.”

But even as Cayton-Holland embraces his unusually quiet spring and early summer — where a murky future for “Those Who Can’t” means he’s not sprinting to write and produce Season 4 with Orvedahl and Roy — he’s still gearing up for the most prestigious project of his career.

“I never thought I would be a comic,” Cayton-Holland said. “I always thought I would be a writer. And I was, even before I was a comic.”

Few titles could be more apt for Cayton-Holland’s first book than “Tragedy Plus Time: A Tragi-comic Memoir,” which will be published Aug. 21 on Simon & Schuster’s Touchstone imprint.

Besides referencing a comedic trope (“Tragedy plus time equals comedy”) it encapsulates the achingly personal subject matter of the nonfiction tome: Cayton-Holland’s younger sister Lydia, who committed suicide in 2012 just as his career was starting to take off.

The book has already nabbed a proper review from Publishers Weekly (“Self-mockery and true pathos make for a powerful mixture in this nuanced memoir”) and coveted jacket quotes from Cayton-Holland’s idols, peers and “Those Who Can’t” collaborators, including Patton Oswalt, Kumail Nanjiani and Bobcat Goldthwait.

More than any of that, he’s surprised that it exists at all.

“Publishing a book has been my dream forever,” he said. “I wish it was under difference circumstances. That said, I needed to write it. It’s been a part of me every day since, and it’s a good tribute to her. And now I’m all into, ‘What are authors’ careers like?’ I’m curious.”

Curiosity drove Cayton-Holland, an East High School graduate, to try stand-up for the first time 14 years ago in the Mile High City’s then-squalid, famously competitive open-mic scene. It helped give him the confidence to successfully pitch scripts to networks and producers, including “Comedy Bang! Bang!” creator Scott Aukerman, whom Cayton-Holland continues to work with. And it feeds into the new projects he has cooking with longtime buddies and writing partners Orvedahl and Roy, who share his unapologetic obsession with baseball.

“I’m proud of how our relationship has changed,” he said of the friendship/business mix among his Grawlix cohorts. “In some ways it’s made us a lot closer, and in some ways it’s made us less close because when we’re in-season it’s a race from Day 1 to the finish, and it’s very exhausting. But those two guys will take a bullet for you when nobody else will.”

Cayton-Holland has reached a comfortable spot with his stand-up: big enough to headline clubs around the country, but not big enough to worry about high-pressure theater tours and constant image-tending. He often gets to take over Denver’s nationally acclaimed Comedy Works, his favorite club and the one where he got his mainstream start (he returns to headline the Larimer Square location April 4).

From June 18-23, he’s also planning to mount an in-state stand-up tour of craft breweries in Durango, Telluride, Ouray, Paonia, Aspen and Carbondale — an opportunity he hasn’t had the last few years, given his hectic truTV production schedule.

“That’s another dream come true,” he said. “I’m at the point in my career — call it stalled or thriving — where I can do that. Some people recognize me from ‘Those Who Can’t,’ but you never know what you’re known for. I’d be happy to be known as a bird-watcher.”

Which, unsurprisingly, he is.

from Latest Information https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/29/adam-cayton-holland-denver-comedian-book-interview-comedy-central-special-2018/

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