#mcu billy kaplan

[wishfairies]

I just noticed Lilia is the only witch who actually called them a Coven. "I needed you, my coven"

And in the next episode Billy calls Agatha nothing but a covenless witch (and she doesn’t actually denies this).

[cowboylikemorgan]

Okay okay okay, imagine this show

But they have the interpersonal dynamics of THEM

[swampcowboy]

I’m watching Agatha All Along and I have an important question for the Young Avengers community

[georg-prime]

I'm wondering if Billy thinks he only causes bad things around him and that he isn't even a real person (why he gets clearly upset when the witches deny his humanity), and so very similarly to Agatha plays the role of a "not so nice" person, with a purposefully ~scary~ goth appearance to cut from his, previous to the car accident, "good kid look" and what was till then Billy Kapla's personality, not contacting his loved ones, possibly having been arrested by real cops for some reason before getting to Agatha's etc.

I think he might even hate himself for 'replacing' the Kaplan' child. But I think he's wrong. There was never any other soul/mind/essence than his. He IS Billy Maximoff, created by Wanda with Tommy from pieces of the souls of their own future 13 yo reincarnations who were in Westview dormant like the other children at the time 🤟🙃

Anyway, things we know as fact in no specific order:

It was about 2010 inside Wanda's hex when she had to tear it down.

Billy Kaplan was born in the 'real world' around 2010 since it should be now 2026 in the MCU time and he is 16.

Sharon Davis was having a bad day even before Agatha enrolled her in her new makeshift coven.

The night before, late enough for someone to think it's a good time to do some breaking and entering she was driving (home? Away from home?). And she hit Billy while he was running away from Agatha, could have been anyone on Westview and it was 'Mrs Hart'?!

Wanda said Agatha will be safe while under her spell and that nobody will be able to bother her. So people who could harm her could only approach her after the spell was lifted.

Alice is played by a great actress, and is too cool and kind to be wasted as a character and be actually/permanently dead.

Agatha and Jen have known each other before Jen lost her powers.

A prophecy was told about the (a?) scarlet witch, so by someone who can see the future: the Scarlet Witch is not born, she is forged. She has no coven or need for incantation. Her power exceeds that of the Sorcerer Supreme. It is her destiny to destroy the world.

Agatha's magic is purple.

Wanda's spell on 'Agnes' spell has weakened as soon as she disappeared from this world.

The world is not destroyed (yet).

Incursions from other worlds have begin to happen since Spiderman No Way Home.

In the comics during the Secret Wars, different earths ultimately merged together to create a new one, destroying the previous ones in the process.

Billy Kaplan was in a car with his parents in 2023 driving towards Eastview away from Westview while something was happening to the hex, and they had a severe car accident hitting a tree in the woods between the two towns.

Wanda told the people of Westview freed from her control to run away before she reformed the hex when she realized it would erase her new family.

A powerless Agatha found her broch somewhere in the woods in 2026.

Lilia had a vision of her past with a black-hooded figure with a skeleton face. Lady Death and her skull face had a statue of her with her fellow cosmic entities in Eternity's temple (seen in Thor Love & Thunder).

In the comics Death is able to kill anyone she wants as long as they aren't more powerful than her.

Marketing for AaA included tarot cards where the characters appear very clearly as themselves (similar appearance in addition to their usual color scheme). The names of the cards are automatically called by Lilia when she realized who they are. J'en is The High Priestess, Agatha's card is Three of Swords, Alice's the Knight of Wands, their coven is the Three of Pentacles (where Billy appears too). The cards promoted left are the Tower (with two of the Salem Seven on it), and Death (who's holding the same knife 'Rio' has, and a black heart, which is also linked to Rio).

The Death tarot card doesn't signify actual death"but rather a profound transformation". Please take a look at this including the health AND romantic relationship readings:

Ralf Bohner was in witness protection, but also wore an ankle monitor, which was disconnected when the hex was created and that's why Jimmy was alerted. People who enter the witness protection program do so voluntarily and don't wear ankle monitors as far as I know, those should be put on people on probation and other criminal related situations. (He could be both?). Usually witness protection means new identity, so relocation somewhere safe with a new name (which is why I still don't understand why people where mad about that name it clearly wasn't his real name). There was a delete scene where he goes back to the basement with Monica and the twins to take the Darkhold, but they had to face a demon form Señor Scratchy. In an other one he cut the ankle monitor off in the confusion of the end events, escaping discreetly.

One of the few informations we have about him is that he has a mother.

Jen thinks that Agatha wouldn't recognize her own son if he showed up on her doorstep.

We see what we can assume to be an adult man from behind in AaA mid season trailer.

There are remors that Agatha's son is still alive and working for Mephisto.

In the comics he is also the leader of the Salem Seven.

The Daughters of Liberty are in the comics a group of women seeking justice and freedom since the 18th century, and we're taught magic since then by Agatha, who recruited princess Shuri in the 20th century, all working alongside members like Peggy and Sharon Carter, in this team recognized and even mandated by the US government some times.

Ralph seemed to only occupy a room in that house in Westview, suspiciously located near the piece of land the Vision aquiered. Agatha ended up living in the place out of all the neighboring houses where the government had put a mysterious secret witness.

There is a rumor that Jac Schaeffer might be running one of the MCU's next project, reason why she left Vision's Quest production. Possibly about dimensions jumping and or looking for Tommy, kind of like Kieren's run of The Young Avengers?

In the comics, Mephisto created a powerful being called Blackheart from the evil energies accumulated in a certain place in New York.

But because his new 'son' rebelled against him he banished him from 'Hell' to earth with diminished powers.

Blackheart is fascinated by humans and likes to focuse on those who walk the line between good and evil.

There is also an unrelated character who's hero alias was Greenwich Guardian, and turned out to be a villain who took the name Black Death...

In the comics Billy and Tommy's souls were at first pieces of Mephisto's, but became so different from existing as Wanda's and Vision's children that they made him explode when he tried to reabsorb them. That btw didn't happen on Earth, and when their souls went back there escaping from Mephisto's pocket dimension, they didn't got back to the year they were supposed to come from, but several years before. They reincarnated into two different families - not taking the body of pre-existing teens - and magically were born with the same face (how they realized they were somehow related).

Before that Wanda made them real not just from bits of Mephisto's soul, but also thanks to Agatha's energy/life force.

It's Agatha all along.

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I'm wondering if Agatha even as Agnes didn't try to leave Westview immediately (as mind manipulation is her forte, and she still had all her powers Wanda never took them she just blocked her real personality and memories away), stumbling in the woods and losing her broch, then found a dying Billy in a crashed car with passed out parents and used all her powers on him to save his life in a reverse way she usually use her special ability.

[wishfairies]

Yep. That's what i meant about their parallels when leaving Westview. Specially with the hoid thing, that's when it clicked to me.

You're so much like your mother.

WANDAVISION (01x09) AGATHA ALL ALONG (01x08)

[movietimegirl]

That wasn't supposed to happen.

[florida3exclamationpoints]

A Character Analysis

[ivvyela]

can’t wait to see billy sitting with the young avengers trying his best to ignore his loving ghost mom being an asshole in the corner

[blackhillverse]

they said this is the cheapest marvel series ever produced. see, this is what happens when you focus on storytelling instead of unnecessary stuff no one cares about. i loved this episode so much. please, give me more low-budget marvel shows that care about the plot, the characters, and their target audience. i don't need another rdj blockbuster marvel movie. you can have that. give me meaningful stories with a low budget, made by people who truly believe in what they're creating.

[jennipond]

they hate when you serve mean lesbian & loser gay mentor & mentee duo

them and their stupid gay jokes are so dear to me

[queer-as-in-slightly-odd]

jac schaeffer in 2021: what if I make a banging show about a false reality where the setting and costumes are different every episode and everyone thinks that agatha harkness is manipulating the whole thing but the false reality was actually created completely by accident by someone named maximoff which I will heavily hint throughout the show but it will still be a shock to everyone when it's revealed

jac schaeffer in 2024: what if I do it again

[wishfairies]

And just like that Nick kept helping his mother kill witches even when he was dead.

[lucentcosmos]

a coven of chaos indeed

[wishfairies]

We also don't know what is happening with Tommy.

If he already is Tommy Shepherd would Wanda kill the Shepherds to get her son? And if Tommy doesn’t have a body yet would Wanda kill a innocent child for her son?

Wanda was more than ready to kill a diferent version of herself and steal her life. What lines would she Cross in her universe if she knew her Children had the ability of jumping bodies?

Maybe Lilia saw something worse happening if wanda could find Willian Kaplan

"Now, if Lilia hadn't put the sigil on Billy, none of this would have happened."

Really? Wanda would have just tried to steal the kids not from Wanda-838, but from Billy Kaplan's parents. And most likely she would have killed them and forced Billy to go with her.

Are fans that bad at admitting the mistakes of their favorite characters? No one forced Wanda to open Darkhold, it was her decision. She consciously ignored any danger. Well, or you have to be so stupid to take a dark artifact when you yourself are zero in magic and then start smearing snot all over your face.

It's so convenient to shift responsibility to other characters once again once again. It's apparently a factory setting for fans.

[billykcplan]

WANDA MAXIMOFF | BILLY MAXIMOFF ↪ son of the scarlet witch

[keerysgirl]

dont think about how agatha all along could be considered as a queer allegory. dont think about how agathas mom telling her shes born evil is the exact same thing so many parents have told their children after they came out. dont think about how lilia hating the witch stereotypes is the same way queer people who dont fit typical lgbtq stereotypes feel. dont think about how when lilia said i loved being a witch after so much time spent hating it is how queer people feel when they can finally appreciate and accept and love who they are.