#milgram undercover

[httheturtle]

Those images in Undercover

Okay someone stop me if yall know this already but. i did see someone wondering about it (in relation to another, cooler theory). Those still images in Undercover

these. ive seen people trying to match the stills to each prisoner (i believe ive seen several folks attribute this one to haruka)

i haven't quite cracked the code on it but i found something while rewatching undercover in 1080p60 as one does

see this?

reflected in the quick shots of the prisoners is part of the still image (with haruka here it is the same as what i have copied up above, seeming to confirm that this still belongs to him)

this is going to get long due to the images but let's try and spot the matches

Yuno's is also fairly evident already- it's this shot of a girl on a balcony

fuuta's is a little harder, but between existing speculation and what i'm pretty sure are hands in this image im going to call it this still

muu's also seems clear- pretty sure those are desks in the reflection and only one still has multiple desks

shidou's is hard because this bastard (affectionate) has his reflection all on the white background but i think i see some kind of pen or scalpel (something with a long and narrow handle) and that seems to match

...this one. which is also the most terrifying one so far, thanks shidou i hate it.

never mind shidou being hard to determine my sweet daughter mahiru is completely incomprehensible (which is also how i feel about her normally). the only thing i think i see is a somewhat spiky shadow in the corner. she's maybe this one?

but i'll be real I just picked it because of the folded hands seeming like a Mahiru Thing (and as you'll see, process of elimination)

kazui is also hiding from us but i can see a color pattern in the reflection which makes me think

see? same dark bluish-purple on top and orange shade on the bottom.

amane's is hard because she is so tiny and her reflection is sized accordingly but i do think that's a hand at least which should help

that looks like a hand curled in approximately the same manner

that just leaves kotoko and mikoto which. i'll be real. theyre pretty obvious bc of their haircuts but i'll include them anyway.

wow i wonder who this is surely not the office worker with fluffy hair

also yikes mikoto is overworked someone save that boy (not you orekoto i love you but its not working)

again, the sharp bob(?) makes it pretty obvious. also pretty. kotoko i want your style

if you stayed here this long conga rats. also give amane and shidou hugs for their terrifying still images

[smallestgalaxylemon]

MILGRAM • Undercover

[pocket-lyricbook]

Undercover, Deco*27 - English Translyrics

(Written October 11th, 2022)

  UNDER, If you forgive, you’re an accomplice

I’m alone and lonely, give your love to me

  UNDER, all that’s in me, I feel so empty

You hide and I can seek, if only we could do something, future!

  UNDER, I run away from all of my sins

You should give up, just fucking shut it

  UNDER, step on my heart and crush it to bits

When will it finally stop, when will I get my chance to win?

  Scramble for life, dissect our thoughts and ask why

Search for mistakes, and we can work overtime

Then once you know them, EGO that ties them, 

Is it your place to judge?

  The line between your hate and love is so thin

If you judge with your EGO, then is that still valid?

And once you know their sins, secrets that live within

Can you stand to forgive them?

  UNDER, which of them would you rather be?

Is it nobler to deceive or be deceived?

  UNDER, I don’t just want to give, don't you see?

While I’m with you, it’s also a good thing to receive

  UNDER, I see things that go bump in the night

I can’t be saved, I can never decide

  UNDER, have faith and just believe in the light

A promise that you make is a promise for life

  Scramble for life, dissect our thoughts and ask why

Search for mistakes, and we can work overtime

Then once you know them, EGO that ties them, 

Is it your place to judge?

  The line between your hate and love is so thin

If you judge with your EGO, then is that still valid?

And once you know their sins, secrets that live within

Can you stand to forgive them?

  UNDER, I know this just can’t be true

I never did anything to hurt you

  UNDER, I’ll do all that I have to

Because there is something I want to remove

  And when we fight, the losers get a head start

False accusation, you know you’re not that smart

If I had let you go, you’d let out a smile, though

You’re laughing all the while

  Scramble for life, dissect our thoughts and ask why

Search for mistakes, and we can work overtime

Then once you know them, EGO that ties them, 

Is it your place to judge?

  The line between your hate and love is so thin

If you judge with your EGO, then is that still valid?

And once you know their sins, secrets that live within

Can you stand to forgive them?

  The truth to your deceit lies UNDERCOVER

[atitarucore]

⚖️ is justice really blind?

i will love hatsune miku until my final breath, and i shall defend her honor until my sword rusts or my heart stops 👑🎤🎉 happy birthday to miss miku, who is actually 16 now!

[good-beanswrites]

My thoughts on how the Milgram mv machine works based on the evidence we have:

(I know there’s been discussion about where exactly the interrogations take place, but wherever they are,) the prisoners are made to sit in a specific chair near the wall that houses the machine.

It’s ordinarily hidden, but the wall panels shift aside to reveal it when the mechanical sounds play in the dramas. As well as the walls moving, the chair transforms to restrain the prisoner and attach whatever it takes to access their brain. The fact that none of the more frightened prisoners try to run or break it makes it seem like they physically cannot. This is why Fuuta sounds so panicked, and why Amane is suddenly helpless in front of Es in their T1 vds.

(My mind conjures very classic sci-fi mad scientist machines with wires, pipes, lights, nodes, needles, etc, but I’d love to hear how other people visualize it.)

In some vds (maybe all? I’d need to check,) you can hear Es take some steps right before their iconic line -- it would make sense that for safety reasons, the power mechanism is placed across the room. Once again it could be anything, but the sound effect makes me think of one of those giant wall-mounted levers you have to pull down.

The voice dramas don’t really provide the type of crime details that an actual interrogation would reveal, and it’s odd that they’re placed before the extraction rather than after Es gets to see the new details. This leads me to believe the machine functions with priming. All Es needs to do is get them talking about their murder, so it’s on their mind.

The video produced is much like a (non-lucid) dream. Even if the prisoners figure out that this is how it works, they can’t control it just by thinking really hard about something else. The murders produce the strongest emotional affect, and that’s what it picks up on. If someone else used the machine, it would default to whatever gave them the strongest emotional reaction in the ~15 minutes beforehand, hence why Es’ video focuses on their daunting task ahead. (The Undercover theory is still a bit loose, though, given the private shots that Es wouldn't have known about). It’s why the videos are usually closely linked to the vd topics/beats. I also like to think that the reason their prisoner colors appear so much is because they’re looking at those colors on their uniform 24/7.

The bell rings to inform Es that it’s the optimal time to use the machine -- the prisoner has been thinking about things for long enough that the video will be about their crime, and if the conversation lasts much longer they’ll start thinking of other things. It’s at a different time for each prisoner because it’s based on the specific conversation. I guess Jackalope is listening in to the interrogation, timing it perfectly. (The only one that kind of messes with this theory is Yonah, because they just keep talking afterwards lol, but it could just show that the interrogation is still in Es’ control.)

Their “Sing your sins” is the final priming nudge to get them to think of their actions as a sin, revealing their guilt.

Once activated, the prisoner enters a sort of trance/sleeping state. It’s very much like REM sleep, with the machine forcibly activating neurons and recording the output. The prisoners have asked Es what they saw, meaning they don’t remember the mvs. I like to think the prisoners do experience the mv in real time, acting as the major version of themself that appears, but can’t remember it afterwards. It’s when you experience a dream, but as soon as you wake up you’re just left with fleeting emotions and memories right on the tip of your tongue.

The video plays immediately upon extraction -- whether on a huge projection or little screen depends on which room it’s in. It simultaneously saves the memory so that Es can rewatch it later (on those old TVs in the jailbreak mix). The machine downloads the song and video together, but requires special parts to retrieve them. The technology is pretty new and fragile, so if one is broken, there might be a delay between when Es can hear the extracted song and see it with the video. (That’s my justification for Kotoko’s delays -- after 9 prisoners the parts wear out, or maybe Mikoto himself overheats it with his complex situation.)

Based on the lack of conversation we get afterwards, I picture Es leaving before the prisoner wakes from the trance. The machine adjusts their brain back to normal before they awaken, restraints freed and able to return to the rest of the prison.

It’s very much like a dream, so it’s not harmful despite the amnesia/head injuries the prisoners have. It does, however, exhaust them. Brain activity alone takes a lot of energy, so forced brain activity with added emotional strain would cause them to feel pretty drained the rest of the day.

[laniemae]

DEEP COVER GIF PREVIEW

[doodles-in-sand]

Have I ever posted warden who stares at gay people

Here they are

[blueepink07]

I like how in Bring it on and Backdraft what hand Fuuta uses to hold his phone/spray can are matching in every scene, fight.

Beginning of the MVs (in both, Fuuta holds his phone/spray can with his right hand)

When he takes his "weapon" before engaging into a fight (right hand)

First fight - Ice Gorilla (left hand)

Second fight - the teacher (right hand)

Third fight - Killcheroy (left hand)

In Bring it on, after Killcheroy dies, Fuuta only has the sword from his left hand, although, at the beginning of this fight, he had two swords.

In Backdraft, the left hand seems to be the one used when Fuuta sprayed over a graffiti. Also, the red line goes from left to right.

Moreover, I want to point out this image from Undercover.

Fuuta covers his mouth with his left hand. The same hand with which supposedly, he killed the girl.

[kukuepta1047]

[weather-cluddy]

I know we're too early into Milgram's "so are the prisoners dead or not?" plotline for this, but since it looks like they're doing death-themed illustration for the fourth anniversary, you know what would be really cool?

The Milgram version of this Kagerou Project image:

Slightly spoilery KagePro context:

In KagePro all the main characters died and came back to life. The X-rays show the cause of death.

[thinkin-bout-milgram]

"UNDER" Lines Across UNDERCOVER and Deep Cover

I wanted to take a look at what lines various prisoners have associated with them across UNDERCOVER and Deep Cover. I've seen a couple speculating at them, so I decided to add my thoughts. It was easiest to look at them in a table, so I'll link my Google Doc here:

Let me know what you think!

[lazilydrawncryptionloids]

The fine line between “Hate” and “OK” Shouldn’t you look beyond your EGO, before it all ends? After knowing all, I wonder Can you really say INNOCENT?

Undercover -DECO*27 & Rockwell ft Hatsune Miku

[asherenjoysbeingtransparent]

“UNDERCOVER” (one scene) — Haruka Sakurai

[silvercrane14]

The way Kotoko is like. Directly parodying+making fun of Es in Deep Cover,,, kill her ass Es

[good-beans]

Your honor she baby

[laniemae]

GUYS GUYS GUYS the yellow/green smoke that appears in Harrow and deep cover also appears in the promo image for milgram

am I getting onto someone here or is this just coincidence but i mean it’s very prevalent in both of Kotoko’s MVs and you know what Kotoko’s like hmmmm