#new larrie harassment anon

[twopoppies]

Hello Gina! I was talking to my coworker who made me Larrie and we ended up talking about Danielle Campbell. The truth is that I didn't know her so she had to Google it. He told me that it was obviously all a hoax but he also mentioned that it was a very dark time in the fandom (but he couldn't tell me why because we had to go back to work). I think I know the basics of their "relationship" but there's something I can't get out of my head. I saw some photos, I don't know where they are but Louis is taking her bra off)? How... why? Those photos came out and no one said anything? Louis didn't tell anyone about the people harassing his so-called girlfriend and posting those photos? Since I'm new to fandom I don't understand the context very well or what happened.

I mean, I wouldn’t say him dating Danielle was a “dark time”. It’s just that it coincided with Freddie being born, Louis being forced into near-constant humiliating pap walks with him, and Jay getting sick and dying. All of that was horrific.

The boob photos were awful because they both looked uncomfortable and mortified. They were on vacation in Mexico (?) and I don’t recall if this was fan theory or there were shady anons, but the thought was that Danielle was being pushed to move her career into a more grown up realm and somehow showing her breasts was supposed to do that. 🤷🏻‍♀️ They did it, most fans ignored it because it seemed really disrespectful to reblog them, and it did nothing for her career as far as I can tell.

[alarrytale]

Thanks Marte for explaining why het fans lash out (I sent the anon!). I agree with everything you said and understand why they do it now. It will still upset me when I see their nasty comments but I now get why they do it. It's an ego thing. They're worried about how this looks for them. That they'll be betrayed by their fave. That they'll look silly for believing their lies. That they're a bad person for bullying and harassing and abusing people who could see that their fave was closeted. It makes a lot of sense actually. People lash out when they're insecure. Most Larries stay in their lane because they're confident in their beliefs. It's like water off a duck's back. It's antis who are hateful and lashing out, because they're insecure. They know deep down we're right. I saw this with Billie's fandom. When she CO her het fans were silent. They didn't admit to being wrong and they didn't apologize to the fans they bullied. People who had previously made comments like 'I'm queer and I can see she's not one of us' were also silent. People hate to admit when they're wrong. It hurts their ego. I suspect the same will happen when Harry and Louis CO! Larries will get no apology.

You're so welcome, anon 💚

Yeah, i don't think we'll ever get an apology. The hardest part is also realising that H and L will still need those fans when they come out. So even if they've bullied us and sent us d*ath thr*ats, we shouldn't want them to slowly disappear in shame or slink away without nobody noticing. We need to somehow forgive them, let them turn into larries and support H and L. It could hurt H and L's careers if they stopped being a fan because they didn’t feel welcome in the fandom anymore. Some larries would probably say good riddance, but it could mean the end of H and L's careers if we didn’t get everyone onboard, included the gp, with the new situation of them being out and together.

Antis were gaslighted too, just like us. The difference is that we saw through it and saw it for what it was. They didn’t. They thought they were protecting H and L. They did what L and H wanted them to do. You can’t really fault them for that. Even if we won't get an apology from antis, i do hope we get one from H and L. They would do well to get ex-larries back and larries who left the fandom because of bullying for being larries. They'll need everyone onboard.

[louisisalarrie]

For anyone who doesn’t know about this kid and his mum and why they relate to bbg, skepticalarrie sums it up best here /

Thank you for this! I’m “new” to the fandom and joined just after this mess and never understood it properly. Now I just saw the video, and am I the only one who finds it weird that he’s talking to a fan and basically working while his with Freddie? If we’re supposed to believe he values the time he gets with him when he’s not touring, then why the hell would he call a fan while being with Freddie. It screams work and a way to prove he really is his son! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Welcome to the fandom, anon!!! Lovely to see you here!!

It’s honestly huge yikes… I don’t even know where to start with that mess. Because you’re exactly right, if he never gets to spend time with his “little lad”, why the hell is he calling a fan during that sacred family time? He’s always saying how he values his privacy and keeps his personal life far away from his professional life, so… like why is he having this long FaceTime call with this woman who is borderline harassing him on social media? Why is he letting her film it, if it’s meant to be private? If he did allow her to film it for herself, why wasn’t she in trouble for leaking it? If he has no problem with her posting it, why did he tell her to stop filming before he brought F on the camera? He seems to have no issue broadcasting F to the public eye, nor do his sisters, so… you can’t argue it’s a privacy thing there, so why else would this “special moment” between Louis and his now apparent best friend who he tells everything to (including that Larry isn’t real 🙄) be posted everywhere?

Because yes, he was working. He probably wanted to get her off his back by doing a FaceTime, he loves kids so he wanted to make Bentley happy, and could easily throw in a sprinkle of bbg content also.

Hell, if he truly was with F at the time, he was probably like “I’ll give this kid something to do, interact with another kid, let them have a bit of fun”. But, overall, I don’t believe it was an innocent non work interaction.

The worst thing about it all was that so many people unlarried after that video. Unfortunately, bbg has been successful at doing its job at making people leave the larrie side of things. It’s really sad.

[cantquitu]

I just read your whole #larrie bullshit tag (with some horror at the shit they pulled around Johanna's death/Freddie's birth: what vile people) and I hope it's all right to ask you a question. I can't remember where I read this, it was something about hacking Harry's emails at the time when Robin was ill, and finding information about cancer clinic appointments. Have I been misinformed about that? There was also something - different scenario - about someone (maybe a Larrie?) getting information from BA about Harry's flight schedules. Getting her dad to pretend to be on his team?

I'm only asking because I want to be really thorough, and I think just occasionally bits of misinformation slip through, just as happens everywhere. And I think you or your anons are a good place to start!

Wow! That #larrie bullshit tag goes back nearly 8 years! In fact I just went to have a look at when it started (around April 2016), and then got sucked into tagging other posts from earlier in 2016 about Briana Jungwirth and Larrie harassment & revenge porn....I ended up being pulled into a hellish hole of Larrie disgustingness.

*shudders*

ANYWAY!

I do remember hearing about Harry's, or perhaps his mum Anne's, emails being hacked in the months before Robin died. I didn't hear about it until the news of Robin's passing had been announced (shortly afterwards, possibly within days). I heard at the time that they had discovered that Robin was ill, but it wasn't shared widely. Hopefully their shame stopped them from sharing, even if their shame hadn't been enough to stop them hacking in the first place.

I really don't think there were posts about it, it was something that was whispered about - or at least that was my understanding, after the fact. 1D fans were always trying to hack Harry and Louis' emails and private media. Usually it was Larries, who then of course discovered information they didn't want to discover. Such as when Louis' mum Jay's email account was hacked, only to reveal a bunch of emails from Eleanor discussing buying a new bed for her and Louis.

And yes, it's absolutely true about Harry's BA flight info being hacked. That went on for ages. I can't remember how they did that - something about hacking their airline loyalty account via someone who worked in BA. Other old-timers might remember the details.

[towlerknows]

I find it really interesting (and sometimes frustrating) that some people are so quick to direct anons to their ‘they never broke up’ tag (or whatever their blog’s tag is for compiling “proof” that they never broke up) and refusing to partake in any kind of critical thinking instead of engaging in conversations about what may / may not be true. I’m neutral nowadays in that I think they were together in the past but don’t care either way whether they are now or not (and don’t hate either one of them, which seems to be a prerequisite for many blogs who are no longer hardcore larries) but part of the alienation I felt when I was a larrie and only followed larries was the insistence that the party line couldn’t and shouldn’t be questioned. Frankly I think it’s gross and quite scary tbh that some huge blogs are so quick to shut down critical thinking when many of their followers (and anons) will likely be young people with little relationship / work / life experience. I hate to use the word ‘cult’ (ugh just typing that; horrible) but sometimes, when you see so much “my way or the highway” thinking it can feel like that. Anyway, all this is to say that I find you and your blog so refreshing and I’m so glad we can have these types of open conversations without being shut down.

Well thank you!! I appreciate the vote of confidence :)

But to be fair, a lot of Larries that point to the "why they never broke up" tags or whatever are just tired of talking about it and are not trying to convince anyone of their position.

Back in the day, Larries were much more of a force in the fandom and antis would badger and harass people all day long asking for "proof" and when they got a response, they'd just ignore it or mock and harass the OP to the point that people would get run out of the fandom (I still miss FIMQ).

I think (and I don't have proof of this, just my opinion) that after as many years as this has been going on, people are just tired of explaining themselves and want to be left alone in their little corner of the fandom and not have to defend their right to exist. And while that's a loss to new Larries since it's difficult to piece together the history of Larry in detail at this point, any single blogger isn't the official fandom historian, y'know?

At the same time, the "my way or the highway" Larries (or antis for that matter) are not on my dash. I've been blocked by most of them since I'm not on their particular side-street, so I don't have a lot to say about them. I do agree that they're ridiculous in the sense of thinking they know whats going on when we literally have no idea one way or the other. And the few that haven't blocked me, I don't follow because it's a bit of a slap in the face to scroll by a nice photo of Louis or Harry and see commentary of "this is OBVIOUSLY XYZ, it's undeniable!" when in fact it is not undeniable, and could easily be a coincidence.

As for me, I like having nuanced discussions about possibilities and theories that aren't hateful to anyone and just block the nasty anons I get in the aftermath telling me I hate Louis or Harry or I'm a liar or whatever. I see no point in engaging with that nonsense and I don't think my followers have any interest in seeing that day after day.

I state my opinion, make sure it's clear I don't know shit from Shinola, and move on with my life. It's a pretty good system :)

[dogsliampaynedoesntinstagram]

ah, thank you! It's not actually very discourse-y about Louis at all, just made me think about pop culture/stan culture and queerness. I find the comparisons between Louis and Alycia as both people who have had experiences with queer fandom, and subsequent speculation on and scrutiny of their personal lives, fascinating just in terms of the phenomenon and how they both dealt with it. And then your tags mentioned her upcoming projects, and one of them includes Gavin Leatherwood, who also kind of fits within that bucket, though differently. (Just from Instagram, it seems like he and Alycia became friendly on set too.) He was on Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, his character was bisexual, and there was a lot of fan speculation about his relationship with one of the other male cast members. It was obviously never Clexa or Larry level intensity, but it was there, and he handled very differently - he "confirmed" it, very jokingly, and then his costar denied it, again very jokingly, but implied Gavin was interested in men (the costar is also married to a woman, it was all kind of strange, there's a long list of things that could be going on there which are none of our business, including that it was all a joke). But it was still a very different approach to handling the rumor publicly, even as he's never confirmed any public relationship or his sexuality. It was also just announced he'll be in Fletcher's new music video, and while that doesn't say anything about his sexuality, I think it does speak to a willingness to be publicly associated with queerness and queer culture that's radically different to Louis' approach (especially prior to this year) and even Alycia's approach. Not really a take, and not saying there's anything even actually there, just a very interesting coincidence of Hollywood that these three people who had these similar-but-different experiences and all handled it pretty differently all wound up connected.

That's really interesting anon. I hadn't heard any of that. I find a lot about current queer discourse about media, both unuseful and uninteresting, and when harassment is invovled, actively harmful. So it'd be really interesting (and I think cool) that those who had been targetted by the harassment talked about their experiences.

[thepachanga]

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[awesomefringey]

Why am I a bad person for believing his kid is his? How does this make me homophobic? Can’t we all just accept that people have different opinions in this fandom and that they are also being vocal about it? This is not about winning a game. It shouldn’t be a gang war between different groups in this fandom.

I have nothing against anyone, i simply disagree with many theories in this fandom so im probably not a larrie by definition but more somewhere in between. I would love to discuss different perspectives especially regarding all the things that happend this year. But it’s not possible bc everybody only sticks to their own theories. Nothing else seems to be allowed. Taking Larry aside, I think questioning Louis or Harry’s actions sometimes doesn’t make you a bad fan. It’s fair to do so, sometimes. Not everything is black and white. No need to call out people just bc they don’t agree with you. And you are probably confused why I’m even on your blog. It’s bc i agree with some things that come from larries. There’s also lot of stuff that I can relate to that comes from other parts of the fandom. It’s hard to find a space where you can discuss different opinions in a more unbiased and neutral way. Maybe you can understand what I’m trying to say, at least a little bit. I understand what you believe and where it’s coming from and I respect that (not the bbg part, I must add but nevermind :))

All the love

Hi nonnie, I admire that you can remain open for every opinion, but you’re in a very comfortable position, on anonymous and not being a target.

Whilst asking me, a (“no stunts” as they say on Twitter) Larrie, why they’re not willing to accept other people’s opinions. You’re singling out that one group in the fandom whose stance is in itself the most burdensome, the most painful, in order to support them in the shit closet they’re stuck in. In order to celebrate the good people Louis and Harry are.

Yet we are relentlessly harassed, bullied, doxxed, hated on, called out, fooled, used, attacked. Yet our opinions are the least acceptable nowadays in this fandom. So don’t come to me and ask for validation and acceptance - on anon, maybe lurking for me to take some bait so you can come back and reveal you’re actually an anti having a field day.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that we’re all so sensitive. No one actually wants talk opinions and have a discourse with Larries, so we will shut you out and huddle and won’t trust anyone. That’s why I don’t trust you one bit, nonnie. Don’t take it personally.

And while the new influx of Larries has grown Louis’ fanbase in quantity not quality (mostly teenage Larries who are willing to accept Louis is closeted but not that closeted, he is probably bi, Larry broke up in 2015, Louis had an oops baby and now Larry is back together, they’re coming out soon, they made it, everything’s a scavenger hunt and oh Hamille was defo real cause they were cute or whatever), it has become harder to talk to one another in a proper discourse. Even the “respectful Larries” are going at “no stunt” Larries now. (And RIP rEsPeCtfUl Twarries because Louis is uncomfortable with all of us apparently, you too!)

But we are being attacked from all sides, not only from within:

There are Louies who in general don’t care about Louis’ private life (his sexual label, his love life, his partner) and enjoy his music with zero links to his personal experiences I guess, they say they stan the artist and probably don’t really care what Louis wants to say with his music. I guess they’re the most casual fans but will claim their neutrality wherever they can - unsolicited. Like you, they’d go to Larries and asking what the fuck our problem is. (Just in comparison, I believe Harry has managed to gain loads of new fans of that caliber.)

There are Louies that ship Louis’ private het life the way it’s presented in every gossip mag and interview. They follow Eleanor, create fan pages for the kid, fan pages for Elounor, follow all of the Tomlishians around. Most of them are ready to fight Larries without hesitation.

There are Louies that are rads, who believe Louis is gay, was in a toxic relationship with Harry, shit on him, his looks, his music any way they can, blame him and the Azoffs for sabotaging Louis’ career but also say Harry’s obsessed with Louis still, hence all the songs and stuff. They spend a lot of their time in the fandom looking up Larrie blogs to bully them.

And there are Louies that are antis, who spend their days solely fighting Larries, trying to win whatever fight for Louis’ straightness. It’s their only mission.

Everyone above feels encouraged to blame Larries for everything. Daily. So excuse me, when my opinion hurts your feelings a bit, but I’m not too worried about you since you’d be welcomed with open arms literally everywhere else! 💜

[meyhew]

hi friends. i’ll stop using this blog in the somewhat near future. i’ve been harassed nonstop by troll anons for the better part of a year, and when i turn my own inbox off, they move on to my friends and it’s super annoying. SO i’ve made a new blog and you’re welcome to ask me—off anon—for the url, if you’d like to follow.

it will not be 1d/larry centric At All but i’d love to have you all there anyway (i’ll blacklist 1d tags). it’ll essentially be the same as this blog minus 1d stuff but i won’t be there full time until i get it all set up the way i like it but it IS out there. see ya 🤍

[harryfeatgaga]

Shipping anon: Yeah I guess "ship" was the wrong word. Harry fan, Louis fan, fan of a possible friendship, but not hateful to others. I'm not gonna put someone down because they believe in something I don't. But I'm also not going to insert myself into a Celeb's personal life like my opinion would matter to them (which I've seen fans do).

I've had Harries tell me I can't be a fan if I like Louis too. Louies have said the same thing about liking Harry. Larries have told me I basically need to ship them in bed or I'm fake. Why can't I be a fan of them individually? Why can't I be excited for ALL of their new projects? Why can't I be another voice of support? I already beat myself up for joining the fandom so dang late!

as long as youre not harassing them or their loved ones or pushing this harmful and disrespectful narrative of them secretly being larries and all the other bs etc then theres no problem with being fans of both of them

[icarusfallsforwalls]

It might seem silly, but I appreciate your post that's like, hey, it's ok not to like Harry. You don't have to.

I saw Harry live twice when he was touring HS1, and ngl, the show was amazing and he can put on a show if wants to. But I.. I just can't find a way in to him any more; I still like past Harry, but post HS1 Harry? Pass.

Keep the pecs, the smugness, and the 'look at me I'm so transgressive' fashion. He's really talented but wow, he's no longer using his powers for good or even mischief. It was the combo of watermelon sugar that was a full on breaking point--there is really no way to make that tie.

And yet, I'm still afraid to admit to this on main. Which is ridiculous.

But how on earth can you believe that the person Louis seems to be has a relationship of ANY kind with the person Harry seems to be? That would mean you think *Louis* is entirely faking who he is, what he thinks is important or meaningful.

There's a way where it seems really hard to see Larries as fans of Louis's, because Louis only seems to exist in relation to Harry. Louis must be lying / trapped / completely passive, his own words, actions and art discounted, in order to make Larry work. Larry only works, I think, if you essentially say to Louis, I don't care who you say you are or what you do, "my understanding of who you are is greater than and more important than yours." And I'm not talking about his sexuality here at all, even!

TL:dr I don't see how you can like Louis and believe Larry at the same time right now. I just can't make that work.

Long story short, I agree!

To think that Harry and Louis are together in 2021, after everything that has happened... is honestly just delusional. Not only delusional, but an insult to Louis' character and intelligence.

I think it's selfish of anyone to still want that relationship to be real. To place it's importance over Louis' music. To fill comment sections with blue and green hearts, to make every post, every announcement, every new project about Larry. Even to go to the My Policeman set and scream "Larry is real" while they are filming. That is just selfish, and immature, and embarrassing.

I've never been to a Harry show, but I don't doubt he puts on a good one. I'll never knock his talent because I do think the boy can sing and used to have oodles of charisma, so I know it's in there somewhere. I just no longer have any interest in him. I don't like the person he's become and he is not someone I choose to spend any time, energy or money supporting. I see nothing in his eyes. I am entitled to feel this way, as are you anon.

I was once a Larrie. But I think I was pretty sensible and respectful. I wasn't making posts about top or bottom. I wasn't harassing their family, friends, ex-bandmates, or business partners. Their relationship was not more important to me than their careers. I think that's how it should be.

Ultimately anon, you have a decision to make. To break free of the Larry strong grip and speak your mind, or to watch silently and ignore what you know to be true. Do what is best for you. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. You will always be welcome here, and I know plenty of Louies who feel the same and would welcome you with open arms.

Thanks for sending this message, and sorry it took a few days to respond. I wish you the best of luck!

[janiedean]

I feel bad for all the nice J*nsa shippers who like their ship for whatever reasons (tropes, pretty art, aesthetic appeal, whatever) and know it's not canon but get associated with the misogynistic Dany hating crowd who act like Jon being attracted to Ygritte is J*nsa foreshadowing because red hair (I guess Jon should fuck Edmure Tully too? Omg give me Dark!Jon getting revenge on Catelyn by seducing her brother!) Tell me something. I'm new to the fandom but was J*nsa popular before the show? And I've heard something about the OG J*nsa shippers being alienated by the new shippers who insisted it had to be canon and acted like the series is called, "A song of J*nsa #danysux." I don't find that hard to believe because I know people who are now ashamed of calling themselves J*nsa shippers. Like, at this point, it's not only rival shippers who hate it. Even Gendrya/Braime/Jon stans/etc have started disliking that ship. You know your fandom is a problem when people who have nothing to do with Jnsa have a problem with it.

me: reads this ask

me: iwastheregandalf.gif which I can't find now but

okay anon buckle up because I am sadly well-equipped to answer this ask but before I do lemme tell you dark jon seducing edmure to take revenge on cat is LITERALLY THE BEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD but *clears throat* ALL RIGHT THEN.

disclaimer: as anon says I have no issue with like the shippers mentioned by anon in the beginning and ngl I agree, I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO FUCKING STAKES in the j*nsa vs j*nerys war and the only het jon ship I gaf about is jon/ygritte and we all know where that ended up I just... have been here since 2011/adwd was over and all the fic around was just for the books under secret lj communities and asoiaf qualified for yuletide and I have... seen... things.... and I actually have like uh had... beef... with some people in there and I know things bc ppl who hated those others told me stuff so anyway *sigh* buckle up anon I'mma tell you the story of jon shipwars through the years

in order, the old gods help me here, under the cut bc this is long as fuck

when I got into fandom also given what numbers were on ao3 one ship was popular and it was sansan. no like sansan was lit. the only asoiaf ship on ao3 with more than 200 fics. jb had twenty when i checked first. jc had like around 100-ish because of the show but sansan dwarfed anything. I posted the first jon/ygritte fic on the ao3 tag and the fourth throbb fic and like the others were all reposts from lj kinkmemes. nothing was popular before the show except for sansan when it comes to huge numbers bc grrm doesn't like fic and it was all hush hush until the show made it impossible to control and that ship was the one with a huge enough fanbase it actually had numbers, so like... j*nsa wasn't popular in the way nothing else was popular until it got screentime on the show

now, that stated, j*nsa had a... fair amount of fic for a rareship which was mostly book-based and from og shippers that were there from before the show and liked it for what it was but literally none of them thought it was gonna be canon, like it wasn't huge or anything but it had a small but dedicated fanbase who did their own thing and thought it was fun/liked the idea but that was it

that fandom had their own niche of hcs that they cultivated and shit except that like... at the end of S5/beginning of S6 there was a surge in shipping for... well obvious reasons bc it was obv sansa was getting to the wall and that would have been all nice and good but a) it was the time puritanical shipping was starting to take root and the 'shipping sansa with sandor or tyrion is hella problematic' rhetoric had started to circle coming from sans*ery shippers mostly but I'mma not open that fucking can of worms here, b) while the ending of S5 had more of a theon/sansa spike, the j*nsa stuff started getting big

now here we have to mention my villain origin story ie: j*nsa fandom had this one stan whose name I won't make because honestly it's been years and if she's still around I don't want her to remember I exist who was a bnf, wrote for... the website that created the whole larry/carol thing etc who was really fixed on this thing that j*nsa was actually canon and started writing extremely popular meta about it. now you're gonna ask how do you know, I know because this person once wrote a meta named 'why robb stark is a dick' and I told her that it was really fucking bad meta and she took it so badly she kept on trash talking me on her blog/her podcast (I was apparently the insane robb stark fangirl l m a o good lord) and like that was when some sane ppl who argued with her informed me in pvt that she was basically harping on the CANON thing when they'd have been okay with like... it being crackshipping and that she was basically cultivating a hoarde of followers who were harping on them/the ogs and basically ostracizing them;

I would like to add that this person - before her tumblr got 'accidentally deleted' and remade it therefore deleted most receipts for, er, her so-called meta which included stuff like ned and cat raised sansa as a sexual object and only wanted to sell her like cattle - had at some point started a round robin fic thing where... some of the characters mocked openly said stuff that some of the og fans had said specifically targeting them and people in that side basically went harassing anyone who didn't agree with that specific notion

now never mind that this person basically coined an entire term to describe ppl who liked white guys and excused all their wrongdoings out of my conversation re robb basically lying about everything I said as if I didn't have the receipts and tried to sell shirts with it and it didn't work and like then she got kicked out of her own website because she was telling her commenters disagreeing pretty shitty insults (considering I was called psychotic for disagreeing with her that time I don't doubt it) I think at some point she stepped back from fandom bc idk wtf she's up to these days and I don't want to, but basically at that point the dam was broken and there was a bunch of puritanical shippers harping on anyone who didn't agree with j*nsa is canon endgame stuff

this also includes an incident when those ppl were like... passing themselves as throbb shippers and ended up trying to tell t*hramsay shippers off the theon tag based on moral reasons and I ended up arguing with all of them (and they were all from that crowd) which in turn landed me in contact with other og j*nsa shippers who were like detached from that fandom bc those same people harassed them away as well ssooooo fun

anyway when S6 happened everyone was high on it and whatnot but I wasn't gonna begrudge them that I mean... you shipped it for years, canon is delivering you, good for you, but then j*nerys happened

god j*nerys happened

aaand basically...... I mean personally I was there like are y'all seriously arguing about the best incest jon ship out there but like basically the j*nsa endgame side was like AH JON IS PLAYING DANY SEE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, the j*nerys obv got defensive af and both sides were sort of alternatively shitting on jon/ygritte anyway and depicting any other romantic rship jon could have as abusive™ and during S8 it just got worse and like I tried to stay out of it but basically from what I'm seeing now idk how the j*neryses are doing but on the j*nsa one it's ah jon's gonna play dany anyway and she's going to go insane like in the show so SHOW TRUTHING EVERY OTHER WAY and like again denying that sandor exists or that tyrion exists and like I barely touch my corner (sansan) but I ended up arguing with j*nsa/th*nsa people on twitter who were antis and is2g it was white-hair inducing and I know for sure the sansa/tyrion shippers were harassed to hell and back throughout so FUN

and even if the show didn't go there now since everyone there banked on the jnsa endgame thing and admitting you're wrong is like... not a thing, they still haven't let go of it and attach to that ship any shred of evidence which honestly is grasping at straws half of the time (like... the sansa/alysanne parallels like guys please no) and which is why every other ship is starting to get fed up, attaching canon proof of stuff from other ships onto theirs see that batb argument and jb is platonic but jonsa is not nvm taking all the sansan stuff and throwing it on j*nsa but then denying that sansan has canon evidence (like guys I had to read sansa touching his shoulder when saying gregor wasn't a true knight wasn't meaningful and we were seeing things please) and blah blah blah

this also goes hand in hand with the fixation on like... villanizing dany at all costs and like is2g I have zero investment in dany or her storyline I don't even remember it and I don't particularly care abt her either way and sure af I'm not for j*nerys endgame but like.... some stuff I read is completely excessive esp when fixing on how she's a completely mad tyrant who's gonna have to be put down and like... guys no

(also there's some srs stannis hate in that corner which I honestly don't get why they even care abt stannis but I had to read stuff like ppl don't recognize that dany and stannis are the real villains in this saga and like........ idek)

I think most of the og shippers are gone or don't ship it openly bc they don't want to be attached to the drama but like I also think they're pissing off everyone else bc like... I mean a bunch of them also were down with sansa being paired with other ppl as long as it meant a good ending for her except those ppl were... like everyone but the ppl she has actual contact with in canon which meant that at some point sansa/gendry was a thing and like.... you can imagine why arya/gendry shippers & arya stans were fed up, and there's also this tendency to behave like sansa is the center of the entire saga which like these books is named a song of jon snow basically can we pls make peace with it and personally I've had it with both j*nsa and j*nerys people since they started with that dumbass JON/YGRITTE WAS AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP rhetoric but I'm also fed up with the total ignoring that sandor exists/depicting us as delusional and honestly I also was by proxy fed up from the harassing of the sansa/tyrion shippers soooooooooooo

there were also instances of 'well theon is an acceptable choice other than jon bc he can't threaten her' which... i mean we all know what that meant and I'm not even commenting it bc it's one AM and I have no force to but I don't have to explain why it's not a progressive take now do I

there were also metas about how cousin incest being legal in half of the world means that jondany is a worse incest and j*nsa doesn't count as such and I was basically there like guys please just fucking own up to it but honestly I chose to forgot where I read that and I couldn't find the link if I tried

tldr: no one wants to admit that it's not gonna be endgame which considering the amount of fic they have on ao3 is imvho useless bc they have more content than like.. anything I ship that's not jb or that's actually like canon *cries in joncon/rhaegar but I mean renly/loras is canon and has less fic than them* so idk what's the problem with enjoying that instead of insisting it's gonna be canon when not even the show validated it while show truthing anyway when the only show truthing that can be truthed is the small council made of minorities and possibly jon eventually fucking off with the wildlings but not like that but like most people who thought it wasn't gonna be endgame had left/were made to leave by the time S7 rolled by and at this point since wow isn't out yet everyone is fandom-grasping at straws to find stuff to discourse on and we're here beating dead horses *shrug*

so that's... how it is but I would again like to point out that I don't judge ppl on their shipping, I don't particularly care about this entire feud bc I only ship jon with ppl he's not related to in whichever way and I try to stay out of this mess bc I don't really care to argue with ppl who have already decided to bend canon to whatever they want and will have to realize that it's not what grrm wrote at some point but like I have a very good memory and the above rant is as objective as possible also bc again I don't literally have a stake in that race I just think romantic/endgame j*nsa is not a thing and that ppl should stay in their lane and not harping on other ppl who ship whatever in general but especially when their ship is the most popular thing in fandom in the first place /two cents

[agape-28]

im new here so sorry if this comes out as rude or stupid but i don’t understandd why a lot of larries call harry/louis a mom and louis/harry a dad when they’re a gay couple 😭 it feels like it’s just reinforcing gender roles and the idea that they’re soft or whatever with kids means that they’re more “motherly” is super misogynistic. i get calling them mom i guess but saying that one is the mom and the other is the dad is … and i feel the same about people calling one of them a gf and the other a bf. why force heteronormativity and that language onto a mlm relationship

Hi anon! Since you’re new — welcome to the thunderdome ;)

“Mom” has been co-opted by general fandom spaces (not just this one) to refer to people who are very sweet to babies. Is it a little stereotypical? Maybe, but I don’t think people really mean anything by it when they call some guy their mom. It’s mostly for fun. And people just have mommy issues LMFAO don’t look at me. Anyway, like you said, I don’t really have a problem if someone wants to say Louis is their mom based on some vids, and then say Harry is their mom based on other vids, since I do this a lot.

However, I do 100% agree with you on your opinion of people assigning “mom/gf” to one person and “dad/bf” to the other. I guess that it is also harmless fun, sure, but at a certain point, it starts becoming annoyingly and unnecessarily gendered. Like, is there really any reason that someone has to be making posts like “MILF vs DILF” or “Mom’s side of the family vs Dad’s side of the family”? No. This is where I start getting more annoyed with the stereotyping.

But what I really can’t stand is when people begin to warp Harry and Louis’ personalities to fit into stereotyped categories. That’s my main issue, honestly. People in this fandom love putting them into a certain, unmovable, box, assigning personality traits that aren’t theirs to begin with, because fans don’t understand that they’re real and multi-faceted individuals. Aaaaand people in this fandom love to harass people with different opinions :D Genuinely the amount of people who’ll go after someone for calling one of them mom and be like “no, the other is the mom” is scarily large like… At least make ur own post :/

[cantquitu]

Me: expresses my disgust over people sending messages to Camille saying they hope she gets burnt, raped, mutilated or murdered.

Anon: 

PLeaSE dO NoT mAKe cAMilLE An InNoCeNT!!!!!!!!!!!

Seek help.

(and I’ve TOLD you I’m on strike until Joffrey pays me. I’ve already quit!)

[skepticalarrie]

So I'm new here and in the 2 months I've been here I've gotten so much insults and d* threats and just so much gaslighting hurled at me. I honestly don't know how y'all that have been here since do it, I won't unlarry though bc I've researched enough to know it's facts and antis know they cant debunk shit so they resort to insults. someone asked me, "y'know love doesn't last so why do you think theirs did" it hit me that for some they can't grasp real love- esp of 10 years- so they can't believe

"y'know love doesn't last so why do you think theirs did" HAHAHA this has to be joke, right? 

For me particularly the harassment wasn't always that bad, I left the fandom a few times, then I was also more of a "quiet supporter" for a while too, and then there was times I was more vocal about it and it got more intense for me. But it depends, and I feel some people have more of a thick skin for those kind of things. I'm sure larries who are more consistent with their blogs get much worst.

But you know what anon, it's inconvenient to be harassed all the time like that, it's not fun and I always take it very seriously when people send me actual death threats, but most of the time the need to support them - or whatever motivations people have to be here - speak much louder than kids behind anons, yk? But yeah.. do what it feels right and good to you anon, there was a time when blogging and interacting with people didn't work for me either because of the hate, but I was always around and supporting their careers somehow, and that's what matters.

[catb-fics]

I don’t know how to be nicer about this but there’s no way this is a publicity stunt?? You know what would be really effective publicity right about now? They could announce some new tunes! They could talk about R&L! Have Larry post a photo of a roadie case! The boys could call into a radio show! Literally anything to show that music is coming! That would reach mainstream fans, not just diehards that go digging around on Twitter. It would be far more useful than starting a bizarre breakup rumor based on the band’s financial disclosures which has led to “fans” harassing the band, their friends, and family? (Sorry lovely blogger, my irritation isn’t directed at you, you are being so kind to people with differing opinions, but I am just so tired of reading theories that make no sense)

Aww thanks lovely anon! There’s so much speculation and people are worried/angry/upset. I get that. I know some people say that others are being annoying and should just stay quiet until we hear but I think it’s good to talk, as long as people are being respectful of other peoples opinions and it doesn’t get nasty.

I can see why people would assume a publicity stunt but personally I don’t think that’s that case. I think there’s probably personal stuff going on behind the scenes that’s being sorted out and I really do feel for the guys if that’s the case. But what do I know?!!