You probably didn't want an actual answer to your disliking of Nagito post so sorry that I'm providing it, but I did have to see that in the tag so here you go: People like Nagito because of the complexity revealed in his free time events, and personally I also like him for the fact that he kept saving everyone's lives multiple times in the trials and nobody seems to notice. He also arguably has not actually accomplished much terrible stuff (relative to, you know, if you know the games), and his intentions are to accomplish absolute good even if he clearly is not mentally stable enough to realize he's going about it horribly wrong. There's all of the luck cycle stuff and how that would understandably affect a person, with his examples again provided in the free time events. They also made an OVA that revealed a lot of stuff about his thought processes and the fact that Hajime in fact does not hate him. So I mean, those are some of the reasons why people like him? He's interesting. All of this comes from the source material and canon stuff meant to elaborate on it. Sorry if you don't care, but logically people who care will see it if they look in the character tag and all
It may have been a little rash of me to actually tag the post in a way that people who do love and enjoy the character would see it, especially having worded it the way I did. Nevertheless, I did want people to tell me what I was missing, or to just admit that they're into... *Gesturing at Nagito* ... That...
[Edit - Looking over your ask again, you may have misunderstood me, or maybe I've misunderstood you. Nagito is an undeniably fascinating character, and I completely understand liking him. My point of contention were people who were/are attracted to him, as well as shipping him with Hajime and/or Chiaki, who I perceived as not wanting anything to do with him. This was especially prompted by Nagito's (personally agitating) change of attitude partway through Chap. 4, where my negative views of him as a person really began to take hold.]
Although, I will be honest, I wasn't expecting an ask at all, but I appreciate your willingness to engage, and also be pretty civil. I did realize that I might've been too... I dunno, harsh, or something? Too judgemental might be closer to what I'm trying to say here...
Anyway, I suppose that without Free Time Events, and other canon supplemental information and insights, everyone would come to my fault conclusion, right? From what I've experienced in the last week or so of playing DR2 (Which has taken me up to the beginning of the investigation in Chapter 5, for context), Nagito has never been painted in a positive light. I can't say that anything I can remember from Ultra Despair Girls does him any favors, either.
Nagito's contributions to the class trials don't really go unnoticed, and at the beginning of the investigation in Chap. 5, Hajime directly states this. However, Nagito tends to be very obtuse with how he helps lead the others to the truth, and especially given the situation they're in, I can't blame anyone for considering Nagito more of a hindrance to their trials and general continued survival.
There's little else for me to say, since I have essentially no knowledge of the Free Time Events and OVAs. I moreso agree about Nagito being mentally unstable than the notion that his intentions are to accomplish the absolute good. Nagito is definitely interested in creating "absolute hope than can overcome any despair", but I'm not sure I can call that "good". However, I'm sure you'll agree that arguing over what is "good" in this context would be a matter of personal ideology and how you interpret the information given in-game, so we'd best not dwell on it.
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I apologize for the long answer to your ask, but I do genuinely want to thank you for your response. Ultimately, I was thinking "What am I missing here? What do people see in this guy that I'm seemingly blind to?", and you told me that I was absolutely missing something. You also made me realize that I did just about everything wrong with that post, and frankly, I'm lucky that I didn't raise the ire of someone who is far more passionate in their love for this man.
In case I have been unclear at any point, I am not being sarcastic in any part of this post, and I appreciate your efforts to expose the flaws in my reasoning, as it were.
Whether it be morning, afternoon, or night for you, I hope you have a good one.
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someone talk with me about an AU where delores is a real girl who somehow survived the initial apocalypse and spends it growing old with five and keeping him sane
someone talk with me about delores being five’s age when he discovers her body in the rubble and thinks she’s dead before he notices the small rise and fall of her chest before he pulls her out and desperately tries to help her breathe normally again and watches the life fill her eyes with tears in his own that he’s finally no longer alone
someone talk with me about delores being an only child to parents who she wasn’t close with leading her to become dependent on herself until she meets five and learns to trust other people before finding out about his huge family and doing everything in her power to help him not only because she cares about him and wants him to be happy but also because she wants to experience the family she’s never had
someone talk with me about how delores never had powers but survived for the 40+ years in the apocalyptic wasteland of the future due to her seriously genius mind (and five’s help) and lives to help five figure out how to save his family
someone talk with me about young five and delores searching for anything they can find to survive before they stumble upon a half-broken mannequin with a surprisingly intact polka-dotted blouse that five says would suit her so she puts it on out of boredom from looking for materials before five looks at her with the most genuine, in-love eyes she’s ever seen and she decides to keep it just for him
someone talk with me about five always making sure delores has a comfortable place to sleep, to rest, to eat, etc
someone talk with me about five explaining his childhood so nonchalantly one day once he realizes that he can trust delores to her surprise, and she asks why he suddenly had the strength to tell her and he looks her in the eyes and says “believe it or not, you’re stuck with me, and i’m stuck with you, and i want you to know who i am when we’re kicking this apocalypse in the ass”
someone talk with me about teenage five teaching teenage delores how to defend herself with the training he was given during his childhood but reassuring her that he’ll always be there to protect her if something were to happen (to which she reminds him that she appreciates it, but knows she can defend herself with the spite and sheer willpower she has to survive)
someone talk with me about five and delores having a makeshift wedding and five’s vows being along the lines of “even if the rest of the world was alive, i don’t think i could ever hope to find someone that makes me as truly happy as you do, and i will be eternally grateful that of anyone i could get stuck in this goddamn apocalypse with, it was always you, and it will always be you”
someone talk with me about the handler showing up from the commission to recruit five as a temporal assassin and delores as a case worker because they’re both dangerously smart and incredible at surviving in harsh conditions (also, the handler approached them separately to see where their loyalties lied and they both firmly explained they wouldn’t go anywhere without the other)
someone talk with me about delores getting fed up with the handler repeatedly making moves on five despite him clearly being uncomfortable until it bubbles to a climax and she punches her square in the jaw, which results in an ER trip and zero regret (plus five falling even harder in love with the woman who endlessly sticks up for him)
someone talk with me about five and delores plotting an escape plan to get back to 2019 which all goes well, except five had once again messed up the math (or so he thought) and he and delores are placed back in their 13 year-old bodies, but she confesses that she doesn’t mind seeing the boy she fell in love with all those years ago once again
someone talk with me about delores learning to trust and love the hargreeves just as much as five, as they learn to love and trust her just as much
someone talk with me about five always keeping track of dates and specifically remembering the exact times of significant events for himself and delores, like the moment she looked at him for the first time, the moment he knew he was in love with her, and the moment they decided they were going to stop at nothing to keep each other alive and stop the world from ending
someone talk with me about five and delores, the 58 year-old couple that they are, snuggling up on elliot’s couch together because they can’t fall asleep without the other one there to remind them that they’re safe and out of harm’s way (mostly)
someone talk with me about how delores has never been the type to step down, and she continues to stand her ground and be brutally honest when shes upset or wants five to listen to her, and he admires her bluntness (and frankly, needs it) due to his impatience and expectations of honesty at all times
someone talk with me about delores knowing exactly when five needs his time alone and stepping away to help his siblings as much as she possibly can, usually by encouragement or (again) brutal honesty hidden behind a kind and genuine smile
someone talk with me about five reminding delores of his love for her whenever it’s too quiet or he thinks she’s gone too long without him showing it, in every way he can think of, like letting her know that he would’ve lost his mind in the apocalypse without her (which.. he kind of did?), finding little things that remind him of her and bringing them to her, and holding her hand whenever he sees frustration or discomfort bubbling behind her eyes
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Liam (about Orym during this week's 4 Sided Dive) said:
"he's just a sorta average guy trying to do right"
"he can't do anything except for run and jump"
"he really felt like a failure"
Matt, in response:
gave Orym a memory of Will's presence
gifted him a brand new magical weapon that he gets to name himself
did both of these things through the Wildmother herself
Matthew Mercer heard that Orym was feeling downtrodden and lesser and went this is not allowed, and I for one thank him for it even though it is destroying me on the inside—
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You've heard of the Digimon Gatomon, Blackgatomon and Mikemon?
HOLY FUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
IVE SEEN THIS GUY BEFORE I FORGOT IT EXISTED I LOVE IT SO MUCH AHHHHHHHHH THE BIG EARS THE BIG EYES THE LONG TAIL THE CLAWS!!! THE CLAWS!!!!!!!! oh you are such marketable plush material my dude I need 20 of you ASAP. of course this thing is called gatomon like!!! that's a gato alright!!!
and...
IT HAS AN EMO VERSION?????????? why did 10 year old me not obsess over this guy specifically i mean COME OOOON
and youre telling me...
THAT IT GETS EVEN BETTER?????????????????? dude this is just someone's cat, like someone taught their cat how to do boxing and now it's out there kicking ass!!!
They really nailed it the first time and went like "what if we made two more" AND NAILED THOSE TOO WTF
thank you for telling me about these I'm gonna think about them for the next 3 hours
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update to the Playing Undertale With Roommate Whose Only Social Media is Pinterest situation: we only just got to waterfall and so far it has been a fucking trip
they have No Idea the significance of Flowey yet. not even a hint. they thought the sans echo flower conversation was about echo flowers
during the papyrus date and especially when they got to his room they kept looking at me and saying "THIS is your man????" which they stopped asking after the date. they have read some of my fics. i do not think i am any less insane to them now
they gave papyrus a valley girl voice btw. mostly because i had to beg them not to give him a mickey mouse voice instead
they didn't fucking know what skeletor sounds like
bc i know The Efficient Ways to do Things and they don't they've been reminding me of a buncha details & lines of dialogue I don't actually have embedded in my memory. particularly "PAPYRUS IS HUNGRY, TOO! HUNGRY FOR JUSTICE!"
they got the "Can I speak to G..." phone call. i have never once gotten that in any of my playthroughs, probably because i don't usually go up to that area but still. ik its not REALLY rare but i have never actually seen it Organically before so it was crazy to ME
Dogsong is my morning alarm ok. so when it showed up in the game and they realized they recognized it on a subconscious level they looked physically pained
Undyne's first chase scene scared the shit out of them
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