#pd analysis

[fizzyorange-v2]

any thoughts on pd ep 33, comprehensible or not?

‼️ MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD FOR EPISODES 30-33 OF JRWI PRIME DEFENDERS ‼️

also sorry anon this got way out of hand

Oh man where would i even START. I think what’s really getting me is the heartbreak. What’s still haunting me is that very last line William says, “I really wanted to have a brother.” Like fuck. FUCK!! Fuck Charlie Slimecicle for always giving his characters the most excruciating of sibling relationships and fuck Bizly for playing David so goddamn well.

William got himself into this mess by following his brain, by thinking that the logical thing to do to save the most people and make sure everyone got out of this alive was to just let David take his samples and make sure no one else got hurt in the process. But it’s so clear in episode 33 that despite his better judgement, despite knowing LOGICALLY he shouldn’t trust David, shouldn’t believe him… he does. Because he wants to believe his brother might not be so bad, that he might finally have a brother at all, that there was one thing that came out of deadwood that wasn’t sick.

I keep going back to that scene in David’s private room, where he gives William what is ostensibly his first drink, plays the role of big brother so well, asks him questions to which William spills everything because how could he not? After years of feeling like and believing the older brother he always considered better than him hated him, disliked him, thought him (rightfully in his mind) a freak, how could he refuse this olive branch?

So William tells him everything, and David tells him to come home safe. David tells him he’ll protect him if he needs, that he can come to him for help. When William goes to awkwardly leave, David pulls him in for a hug.

And the worst part of all? I don’t think David is necessarily lying. Or faking. Not fully, at least. I think David is finally interested in William now, in his own twisted way. I think he’s stopped seeing him as some weirdo little brother who disappeared to go be some self righteous hero, and instead started seeing him as… an equal-ish. Someone more on his level. Someone who does see the world for what it is, and is willing to do what it takes to make those hard calls. He was using William, absolutely. Manipulating him for his own ends, without a doubt. But I think he meant it when he told William to make sure he made it back safe. I think he was also welcoming to the idea of them getting closer, maybe becoming brothers for real.

That’s why I think David was so confused when William came bursting into his penthouse with Vyncent. I don’t think he understood one bit why William was so upset. Other than the news that one of the vigilantes had died, nothing else in his mind had changed. It appears he didn’t even know she did, his people just knew to cover his tracks without needing to be told. He wasn’t keeping it a secret from William, his true lie was in telling William the serum was harmless in the first place. And I think he’s going to stay confused, and I think he’s going to feel betrayed and I know any chances of them ever really being brothers died with Cantrip.

And it breaks my heart for William because he wanted to believe so hard. He was going to split those samples, y’know? He told Vyncent “the board made him do it”. He told David about Ashe. About his fears around Mal. About how he’s afraid being able to drink and feel and live again might all go away. He wanted to have an older brother he could trust so bad. And now one of their only friends is dead, and William killed her, and no amount of logic or rationalisations or leaps of faiths in the world is going to fix that.

William’s haunting speech to David at the end… fuck man. All that rage, all that guilt, all that self hatred William has projected back and forced down the throat, nose, ears of the brother that doesn’t but should. Turning the tool he learnt and used under David’s command back on him.

My thoughts? I think William was doomed the moment he tried to win an argument in that operation room with the older brother he always considered smarter better and more successful than him in every way. There’s nothing more impressionable in the world than a younger brother.

But I also think William might finally stop digging himself deeper, at least for now. How heavily Cantrip’s death weighs on him, Dakota’s reactions, Mal making another appearance, what David and his parents are going to be like after all this… it is all still up in the air.

Fuck man. Ultimately, I still can’t get over that very last line. “I really wanted to have a brother.” Because that’s what it was all about, really. Not being pro hero or anti hero, not a villainous descent nor a sudden morality change… just William hoping his older brother could finally love him.

But David just proved his theory right: that everything that comes from Deadwood is sick and twisted and wrong. Nothing good has ever come from that place. Certainly not David… and certainly not himself, either.

[bizlybebo]

I will divorce you don’t breakdown le frog plz I beg

idk i think he's just very much a character who wants attention. who wants to be Seen. he's like a lot of others in pd, yknow? it's the fact that he doesn't do it in the 'right' way, that he's perceived as strange or stupid or immature by others. he couldn't get it right, couldn't fit in, so he turned to villainy, like a child acting out. he became le frog because he could get the local law to play with him. he could get officer frank to play cat and mouse with him day after day and he could stage bank robberies/bombings because it made an impact, even if he was thwarted each time. because if he's thwarted enough, he'll have another nemesis. someone else who wants to give him their time, even if it's through disdain. but even the people of prime tire of him, even they won't come out to play after a while (ie: when the winnebago is stolen, and when the news see it's le frog driving, they cut away with a simple "it was just le frog"). he's still not taken seriously even when he tries in earnest to be, even when he tries to be evil and sinister because no one loved him when he tried to be good.

and Then, in s2e1, we see the way his body was taken from him, how he was possessed. how his hands were truly bloodied and how he was forced to kill those people, how a demon piloting his body did his job way better than he could've ever wanted. but he's not even envious, not even frustrated that it did what he could never do. he's just haunted. afraid. he doesn't know who he is anymore. and nobody is there to stand up for him in the aftermath-- he only has the prime defenders to defend on and even they've fallen apart, to some extent.

it's near the end of s2, in deadwood, where he finally feels recognized, even in the slightest. he gets to be of help. gets to see his impact, a real and true impact, and see it be good. that little girl that pd saves (i forgot her name i fear) doesn't know the evils of the world the same way he does, doesn't watch the news. she doesn't know who he is the same way somebody in a larger city might. he calms her down and he does something right and he actually succeeds in being important to somebody. which tldr is why bizly should let her be his sidekick in s3

[wwemcumuscleslover]

Soo we are finally in a break with One Chicago till the next seasons.

I am more into the Chicago PD series. Soo I gonna make a little recap, soo If still watching some spoilers ahead!!!

Today we will be discus on Hank Voight; Charlie Reid and Nina Chapman. I gonna be very straight with my personal opinion on those caracthers.

Hank Voight

His arc on 12 season stars with him dealing with some PTDS from almost getting killed last season. Been a workaholic as cope mechanism.

His other biggest issue in this season is new Deputy cheif Charlie Reid, someone that is some parts I little like him, but he realized that Charlie Reid crossed lines that even Hank never will be crossing like hurting innocent people.

The way this threat puss him to return to his old habits, because for the first time Hank Lost what he most love, His Unit. I really like the way Voight was opened to his team in order to take Reid down. The return of the famous line " you tell me the true so I can Lie For You" was iconic and also how Reid Death was precisely set up, that the Voight we missed soo much. We also have a few happy moments with Voight. Soo I am looking forward to see how his coming back will be used on season 13.

Charlie Reid

Firt, let's give an applause for the amazing Shawn Hatosy, that was insane in this role. Man was pulling triple jobs at same time. Well done!

Charlie Reid, the New Cheif. He was introduced at firt moment very friendly, at least for me. Even been a repeat plot, I think is the third evil boss( Denny Woods & Brain Kelton were the firts and Second) Hank had to take...but the difference here is that for a brief moment Reid was able to sut down intelligence division, something never done before.

In my opinion I really wish for the first time the villian win, like Thanos Plot, soo we have this new feeling of starting a new season with the feeling of a Lost, that will be undone in the end.

I really feel in love with this bad guy, he serve his purpose soo perfectly. And the way he was responsible for bring the darkness inside Voight ,that was a pick and the Pyscho death he has, like looking into Voight eyes and saying that "You are worst than me" just to pass away with a smile in his face that was insane good.

Nina Chapman

For me she is the worst thing in this season, even worst than the bad guy. And I say this not thinking about moral stuff, I am talking about story.

Not only she been very nosey when comes to Voight background with his personal life( his life with Camille) but also how delusional she was the entire season.

First was the idea of a imaginary CI on a Warrant, She never cross lines before and I don't think doing this because "she has feelings" is a good reason for this. There's one thing that Voight like on people is that you had to be yourself and this is soo out of her caracther.

Also the way she was soo Into the " I CAN FIX HIM" Agenda was annoying and disturbing. Like when she said that " We Need Lines", like how many times Hank will tell that he don't know where the line is, because he already cross so many

I don't know what Gwen Sigan has with this caracther, like there's nothing more that Nina Chapman can bring to the table, she need to go.

And just for conclusion, why they choose show her disappointment with Voight setting up Reid Death inside the Wedding segment. Showing her crying like a teenager that had her heart broken because the Real Voight was not like the illusion in her head.

" This is not you" Woman you don't know the half of the abuse, when come to Hank Voight, that's exactly who he is. Like is impossible for me that An ADA is soo dangerously innocent.

That's why she is not right for Voight. Because marry a guy like Him is almost like making a deal with the devil. Or you let him go or embrace the darkness inside him, there's no middle term.

Those are my thoughts on these caracthers...Tomorrow I will be doing with Adam Ruzek; Kim Burgess and Kevin Atwater.

@chicago-pd-is-weird @ho-ii @kamryn1963

@windshield91

[minecraft-sex-mod]

god, I fucking love Dakota Cole, he's such a good character actually. Like. He's just a kid. He's a superhero. He hates ice cream. He's stubborn, and angry, and so kind. He's bad at math (and school in general). He'd do anything for his friends. He messes up a lot. He's friendly, and sociable, and well-liked. He has clumsy social skills. He's got a deep-rooted sense of justice, and has no tolerance for what he deems corrupt or unfair. He would die for the people he cares about. He knows everything about heroes. He makes mistakes. He's a superhero. He's just a kid.

[amenbpdtism]

Nana and Hachi, BPD Parallels [Possibly with a video essay in the future]

So I finished Nana a while ago; while it had its issues, it was still overall a really good series that captures a young adult woman's life really well, especially a borderline woman's. And I saw this talked about relatively often on Oosaki Nana but not so much on Komatsu Nana aka Hachi. They parallel each other in many ways including their BPD symptoms and traits and today, I wanted take a look at that.

Criterion 1: Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.

Both Nanas seem to have a deep fear of abandonment as it can be seen for Oosaki Nana experiencing abandonment at a young age but Hachi or Komatsu Nana also seeming to have some issues relating to it tied to her family past. Hachi's family honestly seem at least a little neglectful to me with how they didn't worry at all when she left for Tokyo with a single note and then telling her to not come back when they thought she was getting married. As for how they handle it Nana seems to do the freeze response, just freezing or dissociating when faced with abandonment while Hachi who also fears it and has thoughts like she'll be easily replaced, especially when dating Shouji and that he will leave her, her response was trying to be as perfect as she can be and give him or them whatever he/they want. Both can be seen in BPD while one is a lot more active than the other, it's still tied to the same fear.

Criterion 2: A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation

For Nana, the best example of this could be her feelings towards Ren after meeting Hachi. She often went back and forth between "I no longer need/want him" to "I need him to live" especially towards the end of the manga, she was desperate for Ren's love or rather to be a special person for him, to be the only one for him but then seemed to move on quick from his death however, I personally don't think there are many examples of splitting in relationships for either Nana where they went from loving someone to hating or devaluing them, Nana used to need Ren but over time that disappeared however the keyword here is over time, it happened gradually rather than suddenly and for Hachi, she too had anger issues but her love for people were mostly stable, as she could be dependent on them or at least she personally thought she was, one example I can think of is her going from being lovey-dovey with Takumi to being cold towards him but most of the time, there was an actual reason for her to feel that way that most people could understand and of course, splitting in bpd can have reasons however in bpd it can be caused from much smaller issues while with Hachi, at least to me, her degree of reactions were reasonable.

Criterion 3: Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self

Both Nana and Hachi have one goal: To live with Music/Become a housewife. However besides that neither seem to really know who they are and are unstable in their goals. Such as for Hachi, she often jumped from goal to goal, career to career depending on what others did which can definetely happen to people with bpd, especially following what our fps did or do. Meanwhile for Nana, she does know she wants to live through music however besides that; she seems just as lost Hachi in other areas of her life. Especially later in the series she often questions if she wants to marry ren or not or return to room 707 and was unable to decide. This was hard to explain but both seem to struggle to know who they are or what their goals are.

Criterion 4: Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating).

Now both Nanas are rather impulsive, they tend to act on their emotions and often make decisions without giving much thought to the consuquences but from the examples here, we can see both Nanas struggle with alcohol consumption too often especially Oosaki Nana's seeming more often and perhaps leaning towards alcoholism while Hachi also drinks at almost evevry occasion or party she's also irresponsible with money as there was a small subplot about this and often sleeping with men whenever she feels bad which is often why people with BPD engage in potentially self-damaging acts, to avoid a worse feeling (at least for them) and often to fill the void which I'll touch upon later but yes, both are rather impulsive and enagage in potentially self-damaging acts.

Criterion 5: Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior.

Neither Nana seemed to be suicidal, outwardly at least or actually self harmed however there were instances Hachi felt like she would die over small things which can happen to people with bpd too whether that'd be due to this symptom or mood swings (I personally wanted to die over something as small as breaking a cup by accident lol) so that could be seen as in relation to her bpd or especially this symptom, the catastrophization.

Criterion 6: Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).

We already know Hachi's quite an emotional person, she's usually very happy but is also easily brought down by seemingly small things or perhaps necessary things like critism which people with bpd don't tend to respond well either as it feels like a personal attack to us, she can also lose her temper rather quickly at times but I'll discuss that later in this post. Nana's honestly not that different, her mood is easily brought down by things as well, even enough to cause panic attacks later in the story but Nana's not as expressive about it as Hachi is and her mood swings can reflect more as anger.

Criterion 7: Chronic feelings of emptiness.

Both Nanas seem to have a void they can't fill no matter what which lead distortion in their goals and satisfaction in their lives. Hachi tries to fill this voice by sleeping with people but it doesn't go away. Nana tends to fight these by drinking or otherwise similar impulsive behaviors as well. And this chronic feeling of emptiness is usually what leads to people with BPD to engage in impulsive acts anyways.

Criterion 8: Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).

Both Nanas are rather short tempered, Oosaki Nana being the more irritable one with getting mad and yelling at people, especially fellow BLAST members, easily; even being noted by Ren but Hachi can get angry easily too such as when she lost her temper at Shouji -while I thought it wasn't totally unreasoanable-, it's painted as a flaw by the narrative as Hachi feels awful about it afterwards which many people with BPD do too after showing such intense reactions.

Criterion 9: Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms.

TW for mention of SA

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Nana often shows dissociative symptoms in response to something like abandonment which goes along with the "transient, stress-related" part on the other hand, paranoid ideation? Not so much but of course not both are necessary and if we look at Hachi, I don't remember and instances of paranoid ideations but there might have been however she also might have dissociated under stress, especially when Takumi raped her. However I'm not sure if that's the best example here so I can't think of many instances of this for Hachi however I might have forgotten some.

And that's it. Certainly not my best thread, I believe I missed a lot but I also really wanted to do a thread on how these two paralel each other, how different they can seem yet suffer from the same personality disorder as well as showing how different people with bpd can be in a way? But that's mostly my headcanon, nothing in the show states that. But hope you enjoyed reading it anyways.

[nyxthedragon225]

mark sitting in a hotel room, bandaging himself up. He thinks to himself how he's disappointed Dakota. He wonders when thay mattered to him.

He thinks about William calling him every day in prison. He thinks about Vyncent apologizing for something he didn't even do to Mark. He thinks about how happy his little girl looked surrounded by them.

He cuts the bandage and ties it off, and he wonders when these boys became his own in a way.

[arthur-lesters-balls]

i had a conversation with my gf yesterday about satosugu and their fights, and its so funny how the kfc divorce is the exact opposite of that. like. if they had a fight there maybe things wouldve worked out

but instead, it was just gojo desperately trying to get a reaction out of geto, trying to make him explain himself or at least open himself to discussing the idea seriously, and geto calmly refusing to do so

gojo didn't go after geto to kill him, he did to get an answer and geto just said yeah, killing me is an option, we talking this out isnt 👍👍 what the fuck

[a-very-cute-snake]

Prime Defenders has such good villains, and I think part of the reason they're so effective is because for many of them, it puts a lot on how the players react and what choices they make

First with Wavelength, there's the struggle of "how much do we work with this guy, if at all, where do we draw the line" which causes so much tension, and then you throw Ashe into the mix and add yet another set of questions and layers.

There's Mallard Conway, who's clearly evil, but the help he offers seems real. The power he offers seems real, but he always leaves you suspicious of how much of it is Will's or his.

Then you have the Trickster, who's brilliantly acted and I'm never getting over that, but Bizly also does such a great job making him seem like an impossible enemy. He wears the face and sometimes voice of their friend, has insane powers, and often throws a dangerous problem at them and dips, leaving them torn on what to focus on: deal with the problem first? Follow the Trickster? If they find him, should they treat him as just an enemy or is Ashe still in there?

And then there's David Bell, the bastard himself. He's so fucking nonchalant about horrible things and pulls the mob boss "my hands are clean, it's all other people doing the dirty stuff. I tell them to take care of it, not my problem how they do it." He's a manipulator, but in such a way that's so... low-key? I don't know how to describe it, but it just seems like he's arguing his point of view like anyone else and seems almost reasonable, and then you look back and realize he fucked you over completely.

[mafufuu]

i compare childrens literature to pd pcs

!! spoiler for like, so many episodes of prime defenders god knows how many, but def s2 finale, if youre not done scroll away at rapid speeds !!

Childhood

    Peter Pan is a tale of growing up. Dakota Cole is someone who might have done that too fast. The story follows the Darling children, primarily Wendy and their adventures into Neverland. Wendy seemingly wants to stay a child forever, though when faced with Peter Pan, the embodiment of childishness, her mind is changed. Dakota can be considered childish, with his intellect, black and white sense of good and evil, and extremely kind heart. Yet, it might be that, as opposed to Wendy, he is clinging to whatever remains of his childhood.

     As a kid, Dakota was quite reckless, skipping school, climbing roofs, and whatnot. He’s like Peter Pan, filled with childish whimsy and a lack of care. He befriends a girl, who joins him in the shenanigans. It’s like the early bond of Wendy and Peter. But soon, the consequences of this immaturity become evident. Like how Wendy comes to see Neverland’s flaws. One day, when climbing a roof, the girl falls. Dakota tries to pull her back up, but soon his grip gives out and he goes down too. 

    Couple this with the death of his parents, and likely other factors, Dakota has gone through the kind of stuff that would kill off a childhood. But this is “his” fault, he wasn’t able to save her. Dakota wakes up after the fall, and he runs from wherever he was. He holds this notion that a hero, like the ones he sees in the media, saves everyone. A lofty childish ideal, but one worth admiring. Dakota has grown from where he started, he no longer sees good and evil as two separate entities, holding the idea that the ‘villains’ deserve to be saved too, and that they can be met with forgiveness as opposed to punishment. 

    Peter & Wendy says in the end childishness must be let go of. I reckon that it’s okay to have maturity, yet still hold the whimsy and joy of a child.

Belonging

     Pinocchio is a story that has been warped over time. In this case, I will base this off of the basic sanitized version most people know. It focuses on a wooden boy, the titular Pinocchio, who desires to become a boy of flesh and bone. Vyncent is someone who (as of the beginning) felt a lack of belonging in the world of Prime, and wanted to be accepted. What lies in both is a desire to change.

    Pinocchio starts out as a wooden boy crafted in a woodcarver’s shop, a fit for what he is made of, surrounded by similar things. Vyncent starts out in the world of Fauna, where magic is something everyone has, where people can just have pointy ears and no one questions it, where adventuring parties slaying dragons are usual, where he is normal. Where they belong and are accepted.

     Though, they both leave those places of comfort, intentionally or not. Pinocchio ventures out to become a ‘real’ boy, and Vyncent falls through a portal. Soon after, he somehow ends up in jail, then gets recruited to join the Prime Defenders. He does not know the customs of Prime, but he goes with how things are, while using some of his knowledge from Fauna, to attempt to fit in. The heroes are beloved by many, they belong.

     Vyncent embarks on his journey with William and Dakota, forging friends and foes, and maybe, a home, along the way. He finds a place where he can belong. Vyncent goes to visit Fauna, and he is beckoned to stay, in the place where he is from. Yet, with how he would be separated from the Prime Defenders, and how The Greats’ power remains in his sword, he chooses to leave. The Blue Fairy fulfills her promise of acceptance to Pinocchio.

    Interpretations say Pinocchio holds the message of ‘disobedience is bad and being good will be rewarded’ which in some scenarios isn’t untrue. But, to me (and Guillermo Del Toro), it is an anecdote saying if you stay true to yourself, you can be loved, you were always what you wanted to be, realizing it or not.

Curiosity

    Alice in Wonderland is about a girl falling into a strange and foreign world. William Wisp is a boy that got thrown into a hectic journey nonconsensually. For Alice, it is Wonderland she journeys into, for William it is the side effects of dying and getting revived.

     It begins with being out in nature, seeing something strange, and deciding to follow it, then falling, be it being out on the river bank, seeing a white rabbit running late diving into its rabbit hole, or going on a late night hike in the woods, and spotting a will-o-wisp, and chasing it off a cliff. Then, Alice is in Wonderland, and William is falling with strange sights surrounding him. He looks around, seeing bright colorful lights, floating islands, be they holding fountains, a field of greenery with a mother and child walking together, a man on a throne of paperwork, you name it, all things to write home about.

   Both William and Alice leave their places of wonder, though they do return. (Admittedly I’m not sure how well the events of the sequel lines up with William’s character development.) William’s adventures outside of the spirit world do not halt, however I am not focusing on those. When the base burns down, Mallard Conway whisks William away to show him his domain, being an endless graveyard housing everyone he cares for, and himself. Wonderland is certainly described to be a weird place, meaning it is also likely not devoid of horrors.

    Both of the two are out of knowledge, attempting to solve the mysteries of these strange places they wound up in. They both can be mean at times, though are generally decent people, and they want a way out.

    William’s journey through the spirit world and as the Wisperer continues. Ranging from forcing Dakota to fight a smoke samurai, then being forced to eat the soul of aforementioned samurai, to dying again, to learning he is decaying and bloodless after punching a wall and seeing strange imagery, a lot of things, and not necessarily good ones. Like how Alice continues traversing Wonderland.

    Eventually, he dies a third time. He is faced with his final challenge, his trial. He stays with his old ways and runs, and runs, though eventually faces the fight head on, with all the growth he's gone through. The battle is simply happening when Clarence retrieves William to give the latter a second chance at being alive, though more in between alive and dead, as would Alice’s sister wake her up from the dream, and she leaves Wonderland.

    There isn’t really a clear moral to this one, though it may have various themes and interpretations. This is but a tale made up to amuse youth. Though Wonderland may be fun, it has its downsides and things can go south, but the only constant is change, so things will be okay.

Home

    The Wizard of Oz explores the narrative of Dorothy, a girl who lives in Kansas who’s life is turned upside down in a cyclone, Ashe Winters is someone who was just living in suburban New Haven, who’s life was turned upside down by the metaphorical cyclone that is the Prime Defenders (and eventually becomes one himself). 

   Dorothy soon becomes part of  a group, making a quartet, one with three others who doubt their possession of  certain characteristics.  A tinman who treats all life with the greatest of care. A scarecrow who doubts his wit and overanalyzes. A lion, one who houses bravery but chooses to run, until told otherwise. Though Dakota, Vyncent, and William might not be the best embodiment of their trait I assigned among the group, they all have it for certain. Then there’s Ashe, who desires the comfort of family, in these scenarios, not necessarily blood relation, more companionship, familiarity, and support.

    After many trials and tribulations, the Prime Defenders make it where they need to be, fighting Overlord. They won, however their victory came with a sacrifice, Ashe gave himself up to the Trickster so they’d win. Despite how little time they spent together, Vycnent, Dakota, and William are determined to get their friend back. They fight, and they fight, and they fight, until they’ve won.

    All Dorothy desired was to go home, and Ashe wanted connection. These two things are quite similar, Dorothy was not seeking a building, but her aunt and uncle, and home is people, the kind you can connect with. That is what the Prime Defenders are to Ashe. He is one of them. Dorothy and Ashe return to their places of comfort, Kansas, and the Prime Defenders. After all, at the end of the day, there’s no place like home.

[fizzyorange-v2]

yeah you put all of my thoughts about david and william's relationship into that one post they're so tragic... i cant help but think of a different timeline where they could have been awkward brothers together, maybe one where they didn't both come from deadwood. the foreshadowing on william's part too, where in the Michael in the Bathroom parody intro from ep 32 (of all places) william sings "he's always such a bummer, he wants to trust his brother" in referring to himself. Also, the implication that everyone who comes from deadwood is messed up makes me wonder how william's parents are. maybe it has to do with the hallway of fears all the way from season 1, where william's mirror showed his father behind him with messed up eyes?

/ pd ep 33 spoilers referenced beware

Maybe in a totally different universe they could’ve had an awkward and strained but mostly healthy and normal sibling relationship. but god knows with who David is in this universe (a morally corrupt ceo) any version of William that allows himself to get close with and trust his step brother is a version that is either equally morally corrupt, very manipulated or both, and no matter what it wouldn’t be a healthy dynamic. (and that’s not really a compliant on my part, i adore fucked up and messy relationships in media lol).

Totally agree that the Michael In The Bathroom cover gave us probably one of the clearest looks into William’s psyche during this whole thing. William really did go that far because he wanted to trust his brother, and he knew if he backed out then he could lose that potential sibling relationship forever. But obviously once he realised he’d actually KILLED someone for it… the betrayal and horror overpowered that old yearning.

William’s parents have always been a source of interest to me because like… William has never said anything outwardly negative about them, but then his actions and demeanour around them always portray something slightly different. I do believe he loves and cares for his parents. But I also think the relationship there has always been kind of strained. My guess is, on top of the general David was the big shot success story William could never live up to, William was always quite distant with his family. He could always see the supernatural (something that even then made him somewhat a freak from this weird but still rural seemingly conservative leaning town) and he spent most of his time out with friends on hunts that I doubt he ever told his parents the truth of before he actually died.

His parents are canonically church goers, it would make sense that William wouldn’t want to tell them he was messing around with devilish stuff, nor that he himself was possessed in some way and able to see the dead. But then he dies, and his freakishness goes from 1 to 100 and there’s no way he can hide it now, especially not if his parents are shown his dead, lifeless body before he wakes back up in it. And maybe his parents saw this as a miracle at first, rather than the work of the devil, but either way we know from the recent rolled that William truly believes his parents see him as some freak, and I’d definitely guess the other towns people if they knew… maybe it wasn’t great for the family reputation wise in such a small town.

And there is something to the fact that, well, in the end when the monsters came for William they did just give him away to the heroes. And sure, they stayed in touch somewhat? But even then it’s one or two calls in months to years of time to your teenaged kid (though I’ll retract that if it’s implied that it was William dodging their calls… but even that leads to a point I’ll make in a bit).

But then whenever they do come back,,, even after everything they don’t seem to take William seriously. Which is very interesting. They’re often worried about him, but they don’t seem to listen to him as we saw in their recent scene where his mum got mad and had to be really persuaded to leave. They don’t seem to comprehend the severity.

They don’t understand what’s going on with him, they don’t have a clue, and I don’t think they ever really did. I think William has always been too afraid to tell them the truth about what’s going on with him (whether that was being able to see the dead, or now all the hero villain mess he’s stuck in), he’s always been afraid of them seeing him like a freak, them no longer loving him. And so he keeps it a secret and he keeps it away from them and he distances himself the best he can. He’d probably argue that it’s to keep them safe, but I think he’s mostly protecting his own heartbreak of them finding out “who he really is” and rejecting him. I think that’s his big fear, and it’s a fear he’s carried around with him since even before his first death.

So while I don’t think his parents are,,, necessarily malicious. I think they’ve definitely fucked up with William. I don’t think they ever made him feel safe enough to be himself around them. I don’t think they’ve ever been there for William when he really needed. And I don’t think they’ve ever known who their son was. But then they still act like they know best for him, they still play the concerned parents. And I think they genuinely believe they do know and want what’s best for William. But the issue there is… they don’t know who William is, and they haven’t for a really long time.

David left too, y’know? He also got the hell out deadwood as soon as he could. He also talked to (and bonded with) William over their clear joint disliking of that place. And I wonder if his parents are oblivious to how much their kids hated where they grew up, if they’re just oblivious to all of the weirdness of deadwood. Why they chose to live and stay there in the first place. They still live there to this day!

I don’t know,,, I have a lot of thoughts about the wisp-bell family and all the mess and dysfunction there. I didn’t even really get into the religious trauma of it all, which is likely a strong part of why William felt the need to hide and distance himself from his parents,,, but yeah I’ll stop rambling for now lol

[biregrets]

There are very few stories that do the trope of a good character slowly becoming more corrupt by their circumstances and it gets to the point that season 1 character wouldn’t recognize them ( a facet of grumpy/sunshine character’s slowly switching places)

One of my favorite examples of this is Chicago PD. In one of Jay Halsteads last appearances in the show he makes the comment, “we’re doing it again”. This comes on the second happenstance of the team covering up an unjustifiable killing.

You can see as we go from season one Jay who makes no secret of not trusting Voight and practically outright saying he’s dirty to season 10 Jay who is slowly turning into Voight by letting more and more things slide.

I feel like it gets to a point where you can see the guilt eating Jay alive which is why he leaves.

Anyway please let me know if you disagree with this take or if you have any thoughts!

Honorable mentions for this trope: Merlin from BBC’s Merlin, Lucy from The Rookie and I’ll come up with other characters shortly

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Ashe Winters BTW :3!

Ramble ab why these lines literally broke me while thinking ab Ashe cause ggrrgrgrhehrhwhr

Jesus can always reject his father

Jesus being Ashe. Ashe will always have the ability, especially after everything that Mark has done to her, rather it be out of love or fear, he’s still locked her away — she will always have the ability and probably the preferred ability to reject him. To turn away from him in ways and to distance herself in all the ways she can from him because he is what trapped her in the house. While out of good intention, he still locked her away from everyone she knew, locked her out from society and the ability to connect to others outside of the walls of their constantly changing homes. She will always have the undeniable ability to reject Mark after everything he’s done.

But he cannot escape his mothers blood

Her mothers death is the reason she’s here,, the reason she’s been locked up since she was a child. She can’t escape the consequences that came from the death, physical and mental. Rather she likes it or not, no matter the effects it’s having on her,, she’s been locked away because of what happened to her mom. Because of the fear of the trickster getting out again. And on the same hand of the issue, we know she can’t escape the mental and emotional torment that came from being forced to kill your own mother because.. who the fuck would??? She can try and fight it, and at the end of the day, she still has her mothers blood on her hands. It wasn’t her but it was her fingers, her body that killed her mother.

He’ll scream and try to wash it off of his fingers

Feels very literal to me. Between when it actually happened and all the flashbacks and panic attacks there’s no way she hasn’t had since her mother passed — how horrible and vivid I know flashbacks can be. I think there’s had to be times, once the day when it happened, and more afterwards while stuck in episodes that she hasn’t been able to do anything but scream and try to get clean from her mothers death. She’s surrounded in Mrs. Winters death and she has, in a literal sense the day she passed, Mrs Winters’ blood on her fingers. What else is a young kid, or anyone for that matter,, supposed to do when their hands are covered in the blood of the person who tried to raise them.

But he’ll never escape what he’s made up of

It’s just,, a fact. Mrs Winters is gone.. she’s not coming back, obviously. Ashe cant escape the fact her mother was hers. She can’t escape the fact she has her mothers blood in her and she’s had it on her. She can’t escape the family line she was put in and she can’t escape what had taken over her to have ruined the line.

Anyways!! So normal ab Ashe Winters guys!!!

[bizlybebo]

Because its on my mind Im sending this as a "Ramble about it here when you get to X episode" ask. When you finish the episodes titled black, white and grey please rant about them here. They are great and I want to see your opinions

hahaha. hi endy.

the staring at the wall evolved into falling asleep and randomly waking up at 4am, still processing these episodes.

i wrote down. some of my thoughts now having experienced the full thing and got kind of carried away with um. 1.4k words of rambling :3

it’s not even all i want to say but i. ough. fuck these episodes were so good but so. auugggh.

it’s like 5am now im posting this and gonna try to go back to sleep but. holy fucking SHIT when i get you bizly.

(i don’t at all expect you to read this behemoth of a ramble!! just. need to put this somewhere as well because my brain’s still exploding after these episodes)

When season two started I thought it marked a lot of stuff for, y’know, how the show was gonna get darker. I mean, episode one, people were getting killed by a chaos demon in that prison.

I was entirely expecting all the ugly, gory bits of season two to be… external shit. Stuff that other guys, the actual antagonists, did.

But William felt pressured in Black. And suddenly it sets off this chain reaction, and suddenly one of our protagonists is no longer doing heroic things. Suddenly William is effectively torturing a guy psychologically in an attempt to save thousands more with David’s medical research.

He fell into the crux of a lot of villains: “It’s for the greater good”.

There was no going back after he stabbed Tide with the syringe. Tide, who never even had his guard up around William because despite everything, he trusted him and had immeasurable faith in his boys.

White is probably my favorite and least favorite episode, simultaneously, to ever come out of jrwi. The emotional, symbolic, and hell, even cinematic effect it has is insane.

I could fucking scream forever about Willian’s actions in White. About Vyncent’s inactions and the way he was torn about everything— about the fact that in season one, Vyncent was the “violent” one.

But Mark and Dakota fucking hit me in the heart to an insane amount.

Dakota. MOTHERFUCKING. Cole.

I said this before, but:

It’s the fact that Dakota still has optimism. He still has hope, at the very least, that Mark can change; turn over a new leaf for his kid.

“I think he should turn over a new leaf, like, with a new hero name, like— Soundwave, or something.”

He still thinks, or at least thought, that Mark can change. This was after he saw what he did to Lightspeed. He saw the worst of Mark’s actions but he still had faith and hope that there was a good person in there.

This shows so much fucking growth for Dakota’s character. The entire development of his morals, especially over season 2, is insane.

But Mark tries to kill Dakota. Several times.

He shoots at him, unleashes hundreds of bullets, and even tries to stab him. He couldn’t predict that Dakota would be incorporeal, and yeah, sure, you could say that he didn’t know Dakota forfeited his powers (and even without him he’s still significantly stronger than other kids his age). But even with his powers, Dakota would still have taken significant damage from the attacks.

Dakota and Mark’s rivalry is something I could pick apart and think about every little piece of forever.

They both have overwhelming love for Ashe, but it manifests in different ways.

Mark says it himself, “I am what I have to be.” He’s bringing home his kid by any means necessary. Ashe doesn’t have to like him, she just has to be safe and alive.

Dakota’s entire screaming match with Mark is engraved into my brain forever. It felt so real to witness, and the emotion in it was insane.

Dakota’s entire proclamation gets me. He’s so well spoken throughout despite shaking with how angry he is.

“I have been killing myself trying to train hard enough to save her.”

“If you were doing this for Ashe you wouldn’t do things that she’d hate you for.” But Mark is what he has to be.

Dakota never stands down. He keeps getting back up, and back up, and back. Up. Okehrjwjr I’m actually going to start crying thinking about this again.

When he was searching for Lightspeed and following Wavelength’s tracks, he kept asking himself: What would William do? Because he had faith in William’s decision making and investigation.

But at the very same time, William was wondering what Dakota would think about what he’s done.

And GOD don’t get me started on William and his brother.

In a sick, twisted way, I loved their dynamic. I loved what it meant for William narratively when David congratulated his work of defeating Xavier, even calling him “little brother” as a term of endearment. I was on the edge of my seat for their entire conversation in the meeting room.

David gave William his first drink, like older brothers do. William tortured a man because of his brother. David had apple juice sitting on hand because their mother told him to, just in case William ever showed up. William wanted apple juice. He killed somebody.

Cantrip’s been FUCKING me up. I couldn’t even write the word “death” after her name. It doesn’t feel real.

This can’t be the same show in which Jade was sitting on Xavier’s shoulders during mario kart, nonchalantly offering no help as he fought for his life to win like. Second place.

I mean, Jade was such a candid and real character. She was a teenager, just like the rest of the Prime Defenders, and she tried to take a turn for better things after leaving the fighting ring. She went from villainy to vigilantism, and sure, her morals were kind of skewed with how she seemed pretty okay with Alan killing the Bell Tech employees, but her motives were good, in a sense.

(“It’s all for the greater good”. It’s the same thing William was thinking, except William was directly dirtying his hands by torturing Xavier, while Cantrip was just accepting that Alan killed some people.)

I think there’s something to say for how William creates a vision of Cantrip out of smoke, distorting her into some monster, and how that’s the last time we see her image at all before learning of the fact that she’s. Gone.

The last time we see the real Jade, she’s just trying to escape. She doesn’t even talk, if I remember correctly. She just tries to get out. She gets shot in the arm but still persists.

And William ends up being the one who pulls the trigger; who injects the memory loss shit into her blood.

He’s the one who kills her, despite not knowing it at the time.

And David still masquerades as an innocent man, going as far as to relax at his apartment with him and William’s parents as though the events of the previous night never happened.

It fucks me up how the last words that Will and David exchanged before the confrontation in the apartment was:

“Don’t turn into a supervillain while I’m gone.”

“You either.”

William was starting to believe that David was a guy with awful methods, but good intentions— and William felt as though he was the same way. He saw himself becoming David, but David manipulated him into thinking that, hey, it’s awful, but at least he wouldn’t be… alone, I guess, in being a horrible person.

William and David finally saw eye to eye on the worst thing.

And David. Still. Lied.

Lied by omission.

And Jade was the one who took the fall for William’s actions. Jade, the girl who made fun of William for his crush on Vyncent. Jade, who had a sister she cared about, even if she scoffed about her love of heroes— despite the implication that their parents died because of them (likely caught in crossfire or casualties of battle). Jade, who painted her nails and placed bets on William kissing Vyncent, saying he’d be too pussy to do so. Jade, who found herself in a fucking fighting arena of all places but still found friends through it.

Jade, who was the first one to trust William with her actual name instead of Cantrip.

William, who killed her.

And. Fucking Christ.

Vyncent’s monologue at the end of episode 33 just. Fucks me up.

For the entire greyscale series, he finds himself suspended in inaction, too scared to do the right thing and too scared to stop the wrong thing.

But he finally faces it. He looks at William, certainly with fear after knowing all that he’s done, and even still, Vyncent dances around the morality of the subject. He accepts if William wants to flat-out lie to Dakota’s face about what happened at Bell Tech, though he does warn him of the significant damage it’ll do to their friendship.

And when William asks Vyncent to leave the room at the end of the episode, Vyncent finally takes a leap and becomes no longer caught by his indecision between apathy and guilt.

He looks at William, thinking he’s on the edge of something he won’t come back from, and he takes his hand, and pulls Wlliam back from the metaphorical cliff’s edge. If William does fall, then they’re falling together.

His entire proclamation, starting with “I’ve had so many opportunities to do the right thing”, fucking guts me.

God I’ve been typing for like. An hour now but the greyscale series really fucked me up holy shit.

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31 + 30 + 27 for the new fanfic ask game!!!

ohh these ones are all so fun.. hiiii sirennnn tyyyy <33333

31. what fic meant the most to you to write?

GOD. love is a fool star. for sure. that was like....... the first fic i Finished and Posted in YEARS, since like, 2021, & also the longest one i had posted 2 date. & i had sort of figured for ages that i was just. never going to be able to write and finish a thing again?? like i just thought that was not in the cards for me, because of. 1 million Circumstances converging and beating me with hammers for years straight. so it was just fucking. insane and lovely & made me giddy with pride & delight for weeks when i wrote!!! a thing!!! and finished it!!! and people LIKED it!!! yeah. yeah. now i think i have written things that are better but like..... that one is so important & dear to me.

30. Have you noticed your style change over time?

Yyyes and no? i think hopefully my writing is always Getting Better as i read more & try and intentionally incorporate more things into it. but also if i look back at stuff i was writing years ago it's still SO clearly My Words? even if Worse? there's a really fun intentionality and economy of language i had going in like, 2022 that i would love to be able to get back to if i wanted, but also i really like that i'm writing Actual Scenes and not just elided prose poetry anymore. shrug!!!

27. Are any of your stories inspired by personal experience?

most of them!!! mostly i just. write things i want to write in the most self indulgent ways possible.so i think that naturally there's a conversation btwn my everything + the things i end up writing-- like i want to be cold & half lit world & finish yr collapse r i feel very transparently like, wish fulfilment. & most of the rest of them are very much drawing frm my own past experience in one way or another... idk. i'm not writing to try and map out strange and foreign worlds although i think people who do that r so cool, i'm writing to sort through my own brain!! so. i think everything i've posted is in one way or another a personal experience thing. which is perhaps a little horribly embarrassing but also the beauty of ao3.com is that people reading things tend to go "oh wow cool fic" & not "Oh Wow this one's DEFINITELY just some guy's heart on a plate" <3

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@titsliker

I was thinking about homestuck and prime defenders and trying to classpect william wisp and let me tell you it is sooo interesting to examine wiwi through a classpecting lens.

(DISCLAIMER, btw: I've only seen the first season of Prime Defenders in full and a small portion of the second season, so bear that in mind if you see anything that goes out of line with where Will as a character is now 😭. Consider this an analysis of s1 William specifically).

Like the most obvious assumption for his aspect would be Void, right? (With Void having domain over nothingness, the obscured and unseen, the unknown, the taboo, the hidden and the absent).

But then you think about it more and it's just. William's main thing, his driving force, is his desire to solve things, to get to the bottom of the mystery, to find out the truth. In other words: to destroy Void (or at the very least, move it out of his way).

But at the same time...he kind of embodies Void. In a practical sense, we see his invisibility powers (a power canonically used in Homestuck by Roxy, a Void-bound player) and his ability to go intangible, which I'm not entirely sure is a HS-canon ability that the Void-bound can have, but it's certainly theorized to be (and it makes sense, too; literally becoming your aspect is certainly not unheard of in Homestuck canon, and it's definitely not a big leap to classify intangibility as becoming nothingness).

On top of that, he doesn't just embody Void in a literal sense. At the very beginning of the campaign, we see that William is, in a sense, invisible to most of his classmates. He seems to be averse to the spotlight and uncomfortable under scrutiny. He'd far prefer going unseen (and thus, not judged) than to be seen (even considering the chances that people may judge him well). In fact, much of the stress he undergoes throughout the campaign (especially the earlier stuff) stems from the failure to avoid drawing attention to both himself and his teammates (which could actually be interpreted as him serving his aspect).

In a way, he's in constant conflict because of this. His greatest driving factor, his greatest desire, is to pull back the curtain, to dissipate obfuscation, to see, and at the same time, his greatest fear (or at least, his greatest aversion) is to be seen himself.

[magpigment]

absolutely obsessed w religious imagery in regards to william, especially the recurring theme of a both literal and figurative fall from grace; when he fell the first time and became something Other, with powers he never wanted, and then during episodes 31-33 and he fell morally, using powers he never wanted to do something that would truly warrant a fall from grace.

william is a character that feels like he’s been on a steady descent his entire life, with hands of ghost or hands of smoke, and the one time he was tangible he was let go and now those hands are coated with blood.

let’s just hope he’ll get some purchase when he’s in the right mind to try and climb his way back up.

let’s just hope he’ll get a helping hand.