#post Thor 2011

[gloriousburden]

LOKI DR. PEPPER ‼️‼️‼️

LOKI DR. PEPPER ‼️‼️‼️

LOKI. DR PEPPER ‼️‼️‼️

[uniiiquehecrt]

It's just

It's when Loki gives Thor a little knee bump

It's when Thor is brimming with utter frustration at the coronation being indefinitely cancelled (and probably reeling with some dejection over clearly not being good enough in his father's eyes... and in the eyes of the realms re: Jotunheim) and he warns Loki "It is unwise to be in my presence brother" and Loki responds (at least, in the full scene) with "Who said I was wise?"

It's the knee tap.. it's the shoulder brushing...The subtle notes of contact... For Thor who is such a physically affectionate being, from Loki who is altogether not so physically inclined... It's the silent reciprocation by Thor in the way he opens up to Loki in his own way ("This was to be my day of triumph").

It's the huddling close with your sibling because they're upset and you love them so you scoot a little closer to share in the feeling; two siblings in solidarity.

It's the unspoken intimacy between the two brothers that speaks such volumes about who they were and what they were to each other. How Thor may not turn his head but he is painfully obviously looking to Loki for some solace, whether he asks outright or not...

It's how Loki cares enough (and i'd hope feels bad enough lmao) about the situation to sit with Thor and engage in it, even if he's wholly intending to try to steer Thor towards gaining some much-needed restraint. It's how that doesn't quite go the way Loki expects it to...

But Thor is so earnest and sincere about Loki coming along. And he gets genuinely confused (mayhaps even concerned) when Loki briefly questions whether he would even be coming along... bcloki'sjustalittledumbandinsecure and by that I mean he is a lot.

When in Thor's eyes: of course he is coming??? Why would Loki not be coming? Why wouldn't Thor want him to be alongside him for the ride? Of course Thor wants him there; in his mind it's never a question of 'if'. Thor wants and expects him to be there; they're two peas in a pod. Especially by way of adventure.

Anyone who dares say on either side that these two didn't have a close and mutually beloved bond evidently didn't watch the films correctly or in a LONG time in the very least, because this sibling energy STILL holds true even without the full scene intact. (I just feel the need to share the full scene because that is how it was written, shot, and acted out. It's not the characters' faults the editors sliced and diced out all the nuance.)

[mischiefprincess]

 "I thought we could unite our kingdoms one day. Bring about an alliance, bring about a permanent peace... through you."

How

How?

HOW????????

What did Odin have in mind when he took Loki? How was he going to forge that alliance? Through marriage? Was he going to tell Laufey that the son he thought to be dead this whole time was actually alive and well and living as the second prince of Asgard? And then he'd offer to marry Loki to someone in Jotunheim so he could take Laufey's throne?

Laufey had already rejected Loki as a newborn, why on earth would he want to have his son back especially when he was basically Odin's puppet? And another thing, would the Jotuns accept Loki as their ruler? He's a runt and grew up in Asgard being raised by Odin, a man they no doubt hate with their entire souls, what made Odin think that his plan would work?

Not to mention the fact that Loki himself would probaly go fucking INSANE once he realized that his purpose in life was to be Odin's puppet in that frozen wasteland while Thor was destined to sit on the golden and glorious throne of Asgard

"But those plans no longer matter"

When

When did they stop mattering?

When did Odin realize that what he had in mind when he adopted Loki would never work out? When did he start seeing Loki as his son instead of the political pawn he was initially?

In WML Loki says that Odin didn't like to send him very often in missions throughout the nine realms, I know the book is it's own universe but maybe that's how things were in the movie timeline too, Odin didn't want to have Loki deeply involved in the politics of the nine realms and decided to just confine him to the palace

"So I'm no more than another stolen relic, locked up here until you might have use of me?"

This could indicate that Loki was in fact trapped inside the palace at least to some level, only allowed to leave and travel through the nine realms when Odin approved it unlike Thor who was probably free to come and go as he pleased, so Loki had only the company of his mother (bc he didn't have friends of his own) while being desperate to have his father's attention and approval, desperate to have a chance to prove that he could be just as competent as Thor (if not more) as a ruler and still being treated as some kind of possession instead of a person

This is tragic but so delicious at the same time, and I know this makes more sense for movie Loki bc series Loki is very different from the original canon, I kinda miss the hungry look he had in Thor 1 tho, that boy who was just standing in corners, lonely and rejected, with so many storms inside himself that barely anyone could notice bc he kept them hidden under a facade of calmness and politeness, that stiff posture of someone always living under pressure, the neutral expression in his face and the ocasional picking of the hands that betrayed how nervous he truly was, being silent and only speaking to people when he was spoken to, the layers and more layers of clothing, covering everything from neck to toes, the submissive and kinda fearful look in his eyes whenever his father spoke to him (until of course the Jotunheim incident), the curly hair severely straightened so he could appear more collected and calm, so many things about him fascinate me, I could talk about it for hours...

How I wish we could go back to the 2011-2013 Loki era omg there's so much potential and things to explore there, take me back to those simpler days

[workingchemistry]

“It matters not to me what form you take.” Thor soothes, echoing the words he spoke centuries earlier when Loki hesitantly explained that he was not always a prince but that did not necessarily mean he was Asgard’s princess either. “Whether you are my brother, my sister, my sibling, or a glorious snake, you are still my kin to protect above all else in Asgard.”

“And what do you propose I am, if not Asgardian?”

Fear grips tight to Thor’s heart but he does not falter. “Loki, you are Jotun.”

[confused-alien]

I headcanoned these two as besties and now the thought won’t leave my head…

[abby118]

(gifs) (post)

[thorkidorki]

If they don't look at you like how Fandral looks at himself they're not worth it ❤️

[lokiinmediasideblog]

Because I've been seen posts that only Loki was to blame for Jotunheim, and claiming inconsistent Odin characterization in TR (I will only use Thor (2011) for that matter).

But my take on whether or not Odin allowed and promoted negative views of the Jotuns/Jotunheim is that he did (even if you exclude TR).

The way Thor (2011) is structured, there were some very EASY changes that would have cemented Loki as being the ONLY one in the wrong and absolved Odin, but interestingly, this is not what happened.

Instead of giving some answer out of a self-help book that doesn't address child Thor's proclamation that one day he'll eradicate all Jotuns in front of his secretly Jotun son, he should have said that the Jotuns have a right to exist/aren't inherently bad and such to the impressionable child heirs.

Yes, Odin didn't want to start a war but not because he didn't hold negative views of Jotunheim. I see this cited as "proof" Odin was a wonderful anti-imperialist King before TR. Wars have costs like Einherjar lives, supplies, and such. There are practical reasons why he wouldn't want a war rather than assuming he didn't hold or promote negative views of the Jotun, and him not starting a war was a practical and strategic decision. He had already taken what he came for (the Casket and got a free baby). Why go to war at that point?

So you don't think Loki is reliable with "Because I am the monster parents tell their children about at night?" But somehow the deflective answer Odin gives to child Thor is evidence he didn't hold and promote negative views of the Jotun in millennia? I'm sorry, but Loki's words are stronger evidence in this case because they're not deflection. And I find it annoying to dismiss them as hyperbole and lies. Yes, Loki lies, but he's not the only one that lies and it's ridiculous to be saying this when it's been proven Loki has also been lied to by both parents.

Loki's reasoning in killing his biological father and his own species are based on the assumption that Odin was only against war with Jotunheim because it would cost Asgardian lives. So he finds a way to destroy an entire realm indirectly without the use of warriors. When Odin wakes from the Odin-sleep, Loki PROUDLY proclaims that he caused all the devastation in Jotunheim for him. An easy way they could have made only Loki in the wrong is to have him do this in secret because he didn't believe Odin would approve. HOWEVER, Loki proclaims this proudly to Odin. He clearly thought this would get him into Odin's good graces and prove that he's a "trustworthy" Jotun. Loki's behavior here doesn't make sense if Odin didn't hold and promote negative views of Jotunheim. IF Odin was a good anti-imperialist King, it would be under Loki's best interests to deny the attempted genocide rather than proudly proclaim he did it all for Odin. Loki is a millennia-old manipulator; it's ridiculous to think he'd lack the common sense to act on behalf of his best interests.

Odin could have told Loki he was a Jotun even if he didn't wish to use him for diplomacy. Why do people act like Loki being told means Odin didn't abandon his plan to use Loki for "diplomacy"? They're not mutually exclusive! And yes, I do think Odin loved Loki in some fucked up dysfunctional way and wanted to keep him.

[unityrain24]

natalie portman saw an hot alien man that ended up being an unstable murder and it ended horribly and then she turned around and saw ANOTHER unstable murderer hot alien man and was like it's ok i can fix him this time guys don't worry

[loonylupinblack3]

Loki: what's up guys? i'm back

Thor: what the- you can't be here. you're dead. i saw you die brother

Loki: death is a social construct

[royalcommunistthor]

people really extrapolated centuries of supposed bullying from thor telling loki to shut up that one time in thor 1. and it was taken seriously and accepted as canon. 2010s were some crazy times huh.

[musclesandhammering]

Just saw a post saying Odin is a reliable narrator in all the movies and the only time he’s ever told a lie is about Loki being adopted. Really.

Fighting with the urge to write a gigantic meta detailing all Odin’s shady shit.

[spilladabalia]

Swans - Eden Prison (Live in Budapest, 21/5/2011)

[sporadic-og-loki]

Loki Helmet Figurine by Planeta DeAgostini, from their Marvel Museum Collection (to be released)

[abby118]