#r&m theory

[sw33t-as-h3ll]

What if Diane Sanchez is alive OUTSIDE of the Rick finite curve of universes. What if there is a Diane finite curve of universes? Please just let me have a multiverse where Diane Sanchez is the smartest person alive. Or a multiverse where she is just alive in general. Maybe Rick never figured out how to leave his finite curve, maybe he has a chance to meet Diane again.

[thoughts-and-gayers]

having watched unmortricken like 10 times at this point, i think i can pretty confidently predict that the writers are keying up a jealousy arc with evil morty's future appearance(s) in the show.

throughout the whole episode, they make a point to show off evil morty's competency in helping rick. not that he's particularly interested in helping rick, but he gets shit done.

here, when evil morty tells rick to change something, and they actually find a different prime.

...and then morty wants to be helpful, too, killing the clone and triggering the saw ride thing.

here, rick is bothering to explain himself to evil morty.

...and moments later, morty is telling rick to "take the shot."

this scene, where evil morty and rick fight in perfect sync.

and here, where evil morty and rick work on the portal guns together, look at morty's expression! he's incredulous!

...and he lashes out at evil morty in the very next scene!

but, having watched unmortricken like 10 times at this point, i think i can also pretty confidently predict the way this upcoming jealousy arc will end.

because here, when theyre facing the diane-bot, a representation of rick's trauma, morty is the one to push rick out of the way.

and after the battle with prime, who's the one still standing by rick at the end?

it's morty.

it doesnt matter how good of a sidekick evil morty seems like he would be for rick. because morty is the one that cares. morty is the one that sticks by him.

and so, when the writers macgyver together some scenario where rick and evil morty have to team up again, and morty lashes out because he thinks evil morty would be a better partner in crime for rick?

well, rick will just have to make it clear that morty is the one he wants to stick by him, and that the way morty helps him is infinitely more valuable than the way evil morty could.

[rustychainsnorter]

What if the zombie hand in the new season 7 opening scene was actually apocalypse Jerry???

Look at the similarities in the terrain.

It would also explain why Morty looks so horrified while Rick is totally excited. Imagine having another Jerry be part of the family. I mean, why not! We already have two Beths! Plus, reviving apocalypse Jerry could result in critical information about Rick Prime's whereabouts.

[arolock]

Is Prime's arc really over?

I mean, he's dead alright, no doubt in that, and tbh I sort of hope that he will not be brought back to life. But. BUT.

This is a long ass rant. If you open it, it's on you.

Even in the last confrontation between Prime and C-137 we didn't really get any solid confirmations of Prime and C-137 origin story. We know they've met, we know Prime showed C-137 "infinity" (in his own words) and killed C-137's family, which resulted into C-137 trying to hunt him down, but except those facts confirmed and explained in s6ep1, s7ep3, s7ep5, nothing else was. Not the real meaning of their conversation in the garage, not even the fact of this garage meet-up being the first time they've met, and also not the meaning of Prime's words that he misses it when there were only two of them.

Both Mortys seem to buy everything Evil Morty extracted from C-137's memories (Evil Morty is confident in his tech and Prime Morty is just like that lol), but can we really trust that those memories are intact? What if, just like with Federation, Rick kept main points of events, but changed the details or timeline, that can potentially flip the meaning or change the tone of said events?

The most confusing part in relation to the timeline for me is Prime's slips during his rants: "I do miss when it was just us. The only two Rick's who actually invented portal travel", especially combined with "I showed you infinity".

It makes sense in two possible situations: if Prime showed C-137 the portal tech ("showed you infinity"), offered it, was rejected, left, killed his family and then was actively fucking with C-137 during the first hunt (which can explain the "miss when it was just us" line) OR if Prime showed him the portal tech, C-137, being inspired, also invented the portal travel, and then he and Prime were on friendly terms for some time after that, travelling together or each on their own with random meet-ups, until Prime offered him something else, which C-137 declined. Then everything else followed.

And honestly? IMO, first option doesn't line up. We never saw clones or decoys of Prime during C-137's first hunt in the crybaby backstory, no mocking images of Diane, nothing that could possibly indicate that Prime was actively playing with him. We also see other Ricks owning portal technology during young C-137's run, so there already weren't "just two of us", only in the very beginning maybe. Prime obviously watched C-137 to keep track on him and his whereabouts and shenanigans, but we don't see him making any moves himself, interacting with C-137 in any way. So what's there to miss at all?

Let's look at the second option. What's really interesting about it is how Prime's words "I showed you infinity" can be interpreted in two ways that are not mutually exclusive - as in showing interdimensional travel or showing something entirely else, possibly even bigger. Like something that was supposed to create "Infinite Rick, a GOD", which was mentioned in the 'falce' memory in 03x01 together with another interesting line: "Once we give you this technology, you become the smartest man in the universe". Since we know that Rick uses his own memories to fool people, it's entirely possible that these lines are real, they sound real, like something Prime could say. But.

But how simply owning a technology makes you the smartest man in the universe? The answer is - it doesn't. You just own it. You don't become smarter because you get your hands on a sci-fi tech, unless it alters your own mind/brain to make you smarter, and portal travel doesn't work like that.

This is just a theory based on the altered memory of Rick C-137, but what if Rick Prime wasn't just giving out portal tech, but was actively doing almost the same thing Evil Morty have done - absorbing every possible knowledge of every Rick he encountered, maybe connecting them in some kind of a web instead of killing them, so he could cover his presence not using a Morty, but creating virtual clones of himself everywhere in all those Ricks? Maybe that's what he was tempting C-137 with - infinite knowledge of infinite Rick. Unite every single one of them, make them bigger than the universe, make them THE GOD in every sense possible.

Only that it can cost you everything. Cost you your humanity. Change you ultimately, make you so much above any other being, that it will eventually sound lonely. So Rick C-137 declined.

It's just a random ass theory. But how does it sound?

[zeep-xanflorp]

so at this point everyone is accepting that rick and diane never had a healthy marriage right??

like i think what everyone assumed (including me) is that they retconned all the things about rick not believing in love in the first two seasons when they revealed rick's revenge quest in season 6. like i thought that because rick was doing all of that for diane and beth, that it was indicative of a healthy relationship. but i don't think that's the case anymore after looking into some old episodes. i truly believe it was the intentions of the writers to make him have a bad relationship w diane since the beginning.

so here's what i've been thinking right.

"listen morty, what people call love is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. it hits hard, morty, and then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. i did it. your parents are gonna do it. break the cycle, morty. rise above. focus on science." (rick potion #9, ep 106)

the situation he describes is so specific. he describes "failing marriages" and compared his marriage to that of beth and jerry's which is infamously codependent and toxic.

"i couldn't make [marriage] work and i can turn a black hole into a sun, so..." (the wedding squanchers, ep 210)

he talks about how little he trusts in marriage. because despite his intelligence, he couldn't be happy in his own.

so these are the two hints we get about rick's marriage before diane even actually shows onscreen. both of these quotes demonstrate rather clearly that their relationship was dysfunctional in some capacity. that it was "failing".

so if we're call caught up let's move onto the season 3 premiere.

"why don't i go grab beth and we can go out for ice cream?" (the rickshank redemption, 301)

that's all she has to say after rick says he's giving up on science - his passion. which is rather odd because it was clearly something he was working on for some time and he just says he's giving it all up immediately. which is odd, right? this well seeming remark could be far more insidious than it seems.

i'm not the only one to point this out but that's it. she dismisses his feelings. she invites him out to a place with their daughter (where, with her present, they would be incapable of having an adult conversation which would put more distance between them) and in this regard, beth acts as a physical barrier between them both.

i'm not saying that diane is in the wrong here. i'm not saying rick is perfect. but that's one instance of their relationship where something pretty major had just happened. and it's immediately brushed off.

(abcs of beth, 309)

there are plenty of hints that rick was indeed an absentee father, even when he was still living with his daughter. take the abcs of beth, where rick talks about all the toys that child beth had to play with. beth insists that she asked him to make those because she wanted to spend time with him. let me repeat, beth explains that she wanted to spend time with her father so bad that she asked him to make lethal weapons for her to play with. plus the whole froopyland thing - an environment designed to be safe so he wouldn't have to keep an eye on her. it's obvious she channeled her neglect in a destructive way - aka in a way that she got from her father. but i digress.

the point is, rick has always been absent from his family in some capacity. whether it was emotionally as we see with diane or physically as we see with beth.

there are also some hints at infidelity on rick's end. take mr nimbus, who is confirmed to have known diane.

then when diane and beth die, he absolutely crumbled. and this scene does break my heart watching it bc we know it's not just a part of a fake memory now. it was all real. the pain he experienced in that moment - the hope he had of living a normal life and making everything up to his family - just got ripped away from him.

so even though on the surface, rick appears to have a healthy relationship w diane when she shows up in the show, that doesn't mean that's all there is. it's very unlikely based on all of the information presented in the earlier seasons that these two were stable together and i think that the presentation of diane as a perfect loving caring wife is intentional. it either represents how rick remembers her - as someone kind - or is only a small part of the equation.

oh and let's not forget the ghost ai that rick made for his dead wife. he designed her to berate him, to wear him down. to never let him move on from what happened. like that's something super messed up wow. maybe

in conclusion, rick has never had a stable family or home life. that thing didn't appeal or satisfy him. it caused him to neglect his daughter and continues to impact the relationship he has with his adult family members. by no means is this an excuse and that's hardly my point. i feel it's important that we know the reality of ricks marriage to understand how that impacts him in the show we're watching.

ofc this is just my take on what little we have seen from the two of them. i rlly want to see more so i can maybe make a better assessment. but yeah. whatever went on there? not healthy. no way in hell.

[gra55-tast3bad]

Okay so uhm, this have been going around my head but is it possible that Rick can reverse the omega device? Instead of removing someones existance make them exist again, Y'all get what I mean? If so, can Rick make Diane exist again?

[0rb0t]

"I'm sad that Rick isn't shown going to therapy on screen as much in this season"

That's because every episode this season has been therapy. This season has been about learning to let go... let go of what you don't know, of your past mistakes, of what you couldn't control, etc.

And to learn to take that with grace and understanding. With acceptance. Not just Rick, but the family and the viewers, too.

Learning how to let go in a healthy way, not in a nihilist way.

[graybluejay]

I keep wondering to myself, did Prime learn how to STAY young or did he figure out a way to BECOME young?

Did he leave his universe because he found a clue to become immortal? What is the difference between other Ricks and Prime? What made him become the “Rickest Rick”?

Well, if he somehow learned how to STAY young, something must’ve happened that made him wayyyyy ahead of other Ricks. (Almost) all the Ricks in the Citadel and Prime’s universe share the same timeline. Then, what made him leave his family early than others? And why did he think it was a good idea to “team up” with Ricks? What did he find out that made him take action?

It is more believable if he figured out a way to BECOME young. If so, he probably made himself young in the future and time-traveled to the past to “team up” with Ricks. If he did time-travel back, he probably managed to deal with the time paradox thingy. Maybe he somehow figured out a way to re-set the multiverse except himself. Maybe he saw something in the future and wanted to change it.

If the theory above us true, then he might not be that bad. Maybe he thought that killing one Rick’s family wasn't that much of a deal since he saw way worse things in the past. And C-137 most likely wasn’t one of the smartest Ricks in the future since he probably would’ve chosen his family over science if Prime didn’t intercept.

Woah, I got carried on wayyyyyyy too much... Lol. It was fun imagining this.

I’m sorry for not posting for a long time! I was busy with schoolwork and my major. My final term ends in a few days, so I’ll try to post more frequently after. Thank you! :D

[theshadowrealmitself]

I am,, so upset, there’s one aspect I’m obsessed with from Rick and Morty that the fandom doesn’t even explore and I don’t know where else to get that specific thing

The thing I’m obsessed with is this idea that in this citadel area, there’s always a Rick and Morty, maybe some other family members, but never ever a Diane, like she’s cursed to die young in most of them or something, she just never makes it to the citadel

Until one day, they find a Rickless Diane and bring her to the citadel (there could be a lot of different reasons why this one is here, but the reason I’ve been defaulting to is that she’s from outside the curve, is the smartest of her universe, and broke into the curve to see if there was anything fun in it, she doesn’t tell anyone she has her own portal tech or where she came from, they’re just like “oh my god this poor Diane with no Rick we have to interfere)

And I just wanna know how that would go, would the Ricks like her? would they hate seeing her because of the memories it brings up about their Dianes? she’d definitely have to worry about some Ricks trying to use her to replace their dead wives, and then what of the Mortys? I feel like organic Mortys might not take to her as easily, but cloned Mortys and the like who don’t actually have a grandma Diane would be excited to meet her

I just keep rotating it around in my mind, currently thinking about her working with a Rick who’s developed a crush on her, but she can’t be certain that he’s not just mentally using her as a replacement for a Diane he used to be with so she ignores it

The closest thing I can think of would be Gwen in atsv, but it doesn’t really fit the bill, because the Citadel has a specific type of alternate Ricks and Mortys, whereas Gwen runs into waaaay more varieties of Spiderpeople and they’re not even all versions of Peter Parker so she can easily surround herself with people who have never dated a version of her, and she doesn’t have to see a version of a child/grandchild that happened in so many universes except hers

[raayllum]

rayla hunting viren and being allied with callum; aaravos hunting callum and being allied with viren. rayla killing viren and aaravos saving him. aaravos going after callum and rayla saving him. “aaravos can do it. he told me he can save you.” “you have to kill me. i need you to promise.” salvation and destruction all at once either way. viren and callum both wanting to diverge from a path of darkness while already being in too deep. aaravos and rayla both needing their mages to free them, literally and metaphorically.

[theshadowrai]

I keep thinking about how the Lousy Three would be a great antagonist team in a PMD setting. Maybe they're a band of crooks who travel the world seeking out relics that grant them power? Their descriptions in the game imply that they used to be weak and ordinary pokemon, but something happened to where they became more powerful / wise / beautiful. Perhaps that's why they wanted Ogerpon's masks? After all, what could be more powerful than the relics of a deity? That's probably why they're considered to be of Legendary status. Even though I personally don't see them as deities, all of the power they've been hoarding probably makes them about as strong as one.

Honestly these ideas are actually making me like them more lol

[hesitationmarx]

The Denny's Fear Hole

i have a lot of thoughts on fear (the magnus archives crossover lore currently brewing) and on the parascientific motif throughout this season and ep9 showing paradimensions/"afterlives" fueled by collective belief (also aligns with roboghost getting power when mentioned in ep1. like tinkerbell or the tma-verse fear entities)

the Fear Hole itself is a consciousness projecting kind of sci-fi we've seen from them before (memory and dream science etc) but with elements of the collective consciousness fuel of a paradimension (eg jerry's heaven), meaning even though rick c-137 was never actually in the hole with morty in the literal sense, his own fears were sucked in and mixed into the fearscape. (plus, rick and morty's spirits or whatever are pretty intertwined, via design by the citadel, via brainwaves, shared trauma, their bromance is pretty intense.)

[rustychainsnorter]

What do you think would happen if Prime Rick and Morty interact in season seven?

Oi! You asked the one question I've been pondering since the day of my freakin birth, lol.

I think it all depends on Prime's intentions and the given circumstances. If Morty met Prime face to face, I think it would be during a moment where he and C-137 Rick are temporarily separated. Morty would probably be intimidated, torn and frightened, holding onto the desire to avenge his grandpa but hesitating because this is his 'real' Rick.

Prime might be able to crack a conversation with Morty that opens his mind a bit. Perhaps Prime isn't as bad as he thought? In fact, he seems pretty cool. Or maybe Morty empathizes with him in some way and decides that he wants to know more about him before they try to kill him.

By the time C-137 Rick comes back, Prime is gone and Morty's mind has been changed. I think Rick would be angry that Morty let him escape; he won't give him a chance to speak, he degrades him and complains. Morty just wants him to listen to what he has to say but he won't. Rick keeps being mean, and he's overly obsessed with finding Prime. This attitude might alter Morty's feelings towards him, and he may try to find Prime by himself later on.

Whether Rick Prime is a manipulative bad guy and wants to use Morty for bait, or whether he's a somewhat good guy who has no idea what's going on, I have no idea :)

I have so many thoughts and theories about this, I could talk all day. But thank you for the ask, thesoftboiledegg, it was fun!

[zeep-xanflorp]

another piece of information for the rick-knew-rick-prime-better-than-he-lets-on theory ??? maybe???

rick makes a comment in the season 6 premiere that rick prime "truly doesn't give a shit" and that "he's the real deal" (when morty asks if he's bait for his original rick). and u know what that is a VERY specific statement to make. how would u know this if u only saw him one time 🤨 how do you know the finer details of his character if u only interacted once 🤨🤨🤨🤨

and if ur into the rickcest they're-actually-exes theory then u can interpret this as being bitter over how rick prime didn't care about him at all.

[gra55-tast3bad]

Guys I have a theory

what if rick is schizophrenic after losing his wife and daughter and only convinces himself that she is alive and has amazing adventures with morty?

I have shivers in my spine while writing this

[0rb0t]

Thinking about what Jerry Prime told Morty before they went separate ways... the whole "we'd all be better off if we just let go."

Thinking about the Fear Hole and how it seemed to be saying that to Rick, except it was actually saying it to Morty.

Thinking about how Rick described Prime as a guy who truly does not give a fuck.

Thinking about how Rick didn't know what to do with himself after killing Prime.

Thinking about how there are healthy ways of letting go, but how would a 14 year old boy who is very traumatized internalize that?

Thinking about how Evil Morty let everything go just so he could be free of the cycle...