#rogue classpects

[aortaobservatory]

Rogue of Mind

A Rogue of Mind values the thoughts and actions of others so much that they give away their own in an attempt to let others figure it out. They use and protect their authentic personality, which forces others to think for them. This means they often act on their own without thinking of the consequences, trusting the minds of others to be a safety net for them.

[cgtg]

HEART PLAYERZ ONLY

as with the prev polls: if you consider multiple, i suggest going for the one u feel aligned with currently/most often, which one u wanna represent in a poll like this, whichever has the most compelling role/narrative, whatever works for U. classpecting is very subjective, and fluid for a lot of people.

i actively encourage discussion in the replies of what your class and aspect mean to u. simple or lengthy, i wanna hear it :J

excluding master classes bc no space for em, sorry.

for those who cant vote: i’d appreciate u passing the poll along. also, i’ll likely post updates throughout the week on how it’s going so everyone can have a peek inside. thank u

[aroaceleovaldez]

forgot about some doodles of my literal eight year old pjo/homestuck au. classpecting is fun

[superxstarzz]

have you done rogue of void and prince of heart? dick and roxy...

u can't. u can't just say that and expect me NOT to sprite them

[starlit1daydream]

Introduction to my Classpecting Ideas

This felt like a good idea for something to put out before I put my Knight & Page analysis out there, since I plan on making this a 6 part series. (Potentially 7 if demand for a Lord/Muse addendum is high enough).

So, I'll be laying out my most important philosophies on the subject here for future reference.

Classpecting is...

Point A. Classpecting is malleable.

There is not one rigid, set definition for any Class pair, or any Aspect pairing. The freedom of the author is that they may assign any symbolism to a concept that they may like.

What I mean by this is that people often seem to think that manifestations of an Aspect within Homestuck's narrative paint that object or idea as a concept inherently tied to that Aspect.

Example: Pumpkins & Void. You would not believe the amount of people in the early fandom who swore by the idea that pumpkins were inherently just Void constructs because of their role in Homestuck's narrative.

No? Pumpkins symbolise Void in Homestuck itself and Homestuck itself only only due to a running gag inherent to Homestuck itself.

Anything, with enough narrative basis and existing thematic ties, can serve to symbolise an Aspect. Furthermore, two different authors may have different ideas of what Aspect something represents.

Some authors may see alcohol, for example, as a Void-bound concept owing to its obfuscation of fair judgement. Some may see it as a Light-bound concept owing to the idea of 'in vino veritas' and the tendency of drunkenness to induce truthful confessions. Some may see it as a Life-bound concept owing to its associations with hedonism and impulsive behaviour.

With enough narrative consistence, anything is possible. Homestuck's narrative is not as rigid of a point of reference as some people would swear by it being. This is deeply important.

Point B. Classpecting is not the whole of a character.

I can't exactly phrase this in a satisfactory manner, but... a Classpect is not a personality type in of itself. An individual being a Prince of Heart does not instantly make them Dirk Strider. It merely means that their core value is identity & selfhood, and they interact with it by destroying it. It is that simple!

I see, time and time again, Classpecting blogs acting as if a Classpect is indicative of a character's whole personality and giving guides as to the exact behaviours & quirks a character with that Classpect should have.

I am imploring you to explore wider possibilities when it comes to this. Even if it means sharing a title with a canon character! It doesn't mean you have to just rewrite that canon character because that's not how Classpecting works.

I've seen fanventure characters share titles with canon characters. (Sovereignstuck's Annomi Errata & Dynama Zarrow sharing titles with Dirk & Porrim respectively, and Porrim herself is also a player in that narrative, mind you!)

I've seen fanventure characters share titles with eachother. (Vast Error's Dismas Mersiv is a Rogue of Mind. One of my fantrolls is also a Rogue of Mind!)

In every instance, they are fundamentally different people. I cannot put it any simpler than this.

Point C. Classpecting is always applicable.

That is the perfection of the Classpecting system. You can give a title to any character, from anything ever made. It's not even that difficult if you're half-decent at media analysis!

Quite literally all you need to do is ask yourself two questions.

"What's this character's core value?" and "How do they interact with that?" Do that, and you've got yourself a Classpect.

That's the beauty of it! It's obviously not going to be as airtight as a story that has the Classpecting system baked directly into the narrative, but it's still going to work out!

Hell, do it to yourself! Do it to your friends! The world's your oyster. You can do anything you want, forever, for the rest of time. I'm a Seer of Life! My best friend is a Page of Blood! My mother is a Witch of Hope! Go wild.

Post formatting

For my Classpecting posts, I'll aim to give two related definitions for every Class.

Definition A is the narrative function, what the Class says about the person and how they interact with their Aspect as an abstract concept.

Definition B is the practical function, what the Class says about their role in the session and how they interact with their Aspect as a SBURB construct.

Therefore, we get an idea of both the abstract, personal definition of a Classpect, and the functional, game application of a Classpect.

I'll also aim to give about two or three examples for each individual title about how you could write a character with them, since there are always going to be multiple directions you can take with a Classpect.

Conclusion

tl;dr - what I'm trying to say is this. Classpecting is malleable, easily applicable & capable of saying any number of things, and my posts will aim to give two concise definitions of both narrative and practical function for every title.

I'll get the Knight:Page analysis done either today or tomorrow, and the rest of the Class posts will be staggered releases in order of poll results. Thus, the order is going to be:

Knights & Pages, Deficiency and Exploitation.

Mages & Seers, Experience and Comprehension.

Witches & Heirs, Adherence and Manipulation.

Princes & Bards, Instability and Destruction.

Thieves & Rogues, Inundation and Redistribution.

Maids & Sylphs, Maintenance and Generation.

And, potentially...

7. Lords & Muses, Absolution and Dominion.

And then, subsequently, the order for the Aspect posts, which I've decided based on relevance to the canon, roughly speaking anyways...

Space & Time, Genesis and Terminus.

Breath & Blood, Fluidity and Stability.

Light & Void, Potential and Simplicity.

Heart & Mind, Instinct and Dialectics.

Life & Doom, Progress and Stagnation.

Hope & Rage, Conviction and Iconoclasm.

I look forward to the next post. Until then, take care.

[doogieverse]

Sonic Classpects <3

I designed them to be a twelve player session because I thought that was more fun :-) I didn't necessarily keep gender specific classes/aspects in mind. Do, however, keep in mind that classpects aren't always a one-to-one with characters' personalities. Sometimes, they're roles that they have to come into, or accept.

Also, if anyone draws them in their godtier outfits I will be eternally grateful. Sonic: Heir of Hope Sonic is a symbol of hope; whether he realizes it or not, his actions carry weight. That means that although overall he inspires a positive change— bringing hope to others— if he makes a mistake, it brings despair instead. In this regard, Sonic is hope personified.

Tails: Mage of Light Tails uses knowledge as a weapon, sometimes to his detriment. He's often given seemingly impossible quests, with not much time to complete them. You could argue that he's cursed to be the brains in a team full of brawns. That being said, he seeks out knowledge like a moth drawn to a flame; he lives off of it.

Knuckles: Knight of Rage Knuckles's entire purpose is to protect and serve, both his friends and Angel Island. However, rather than being a level-headed knight archetype, Knuckles is a hot-headed warrior, thinking with his fists, rather than his brain. This leads him to have a bit of an anger problem, which he uses to mask his insecurities. This can also bring rage to those around him.

Amy: Sylph of Heart Amy is self-absorbed, only in the sense that she believes that what is in her heart is always right. Apart from that, she looks to heal the heavy hearts of those around her, even animals and complete strangers. She is caring and giving at her best, and volatile and clingy at her worst.

Metal Sonic: Page of Doom Metal Sonic was built to be a harbinger of doom, and continues to do so of his own volition. He has great potential, but is held back by his own insecurities— which can mean he was programmed with limitations, or that he has a more human side that conflicts with his programming. Because of this, he becomes doomed himself, in an infinite cycle of being destroyed and rebuilt.

Shadow: Prince of Blood Shadow is driven by his bonds, whether it's to his friends or enemies, and those in the past or those in the future. He uses these relationships as excuses to wreak havoc. Therefore, he can be seen as selfish, whether his cause is noble or not. In truth, Shadow is more stubborn than anything. Because he defines himself by his relationships, he is often misunderstood, especially by himself.

Rouge: Thief of Space Rouge is incredibly patient and adaptable, traits that are imparative for a jewel thief. Her passion is taking things for herself, which may be egocentric by nature, but she is known to have good intentions. She is naturally confident when it comes to her abilities, and isn't above using her feminine charm to accomplish her goals.

Blaze: Maid of Mind Blaze is calm and collected, weighing the multitude of options before acting. She also has this effect on others as well, getting them to see her reasoning. She is often rigid, as she's used to making the tough decisions, and carries that burden with responsibility. However, hardships can cause her to act out of character, being paralyzed by choice, or leaving her fiery temper to take over.

Silver: Witch of Time. Silver has been known to manipulate time, both figuratively and literally. While he can time travel with ease, he also has an unwillingness to take things as they are. That being said, he also has a tendency to end up in difficult and dreary situations. He's constantly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Vector: Rogue of Breath Vector may be a detective, but he doesn't play by the book. He lives as he pleases, being able to slip into the role of leader, bodyguard, comedic relief, etc. However, this can make him hard to pin down. As a detective, he takes others' autonomy by bringing them to justice. This not only helps feed him and his partners, but it also keeps the streets clean.

Espio: Bard of Void Espio is a stealthy character, at first glance. With his ability to become invisible, he's able to stealthily gain the upper hand on his opponent. However, he also has the innate desire to show off; he's cool and he wants others to know it, even if he acts nonchalant about it. In both ways he destroys void: either by filling it or filling its role.

Charmy: Seer of Life Charmy is the charisma and joy of Team Chaotix. He wants to bring life to his friends by being upbeat and having fun. Though he may be a naïve child, he's still attuned to others' feelings, and desires to empower them best he can. He isn't always great at it, sometimes coming off as annoying and overeager instead.

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three stooges. they don't do much and no one takes them seriously but they're more powerful than even they themselves know. the rogue is a himbo, underappreciated hype man who talks like a frat boy. the witch is an experimental nerd who spends more time using the alchemiter than actually playing the game. the prince is a sad clown who hates being by himself. they all love each other lots and lots

[aradidnt]

this made lebron cry

[shelf-of-knicknacks]

[clockworkreapers]

you should pretty please explain why you chose each classpect for each gas station character I want to see an analysis

ohohohoh BOY do I have a classpect breakdown for you (rubs my grubby little hands together) Jack: Mage of Doom, Derse Dreamer Doom is all about fate, suffering, empathy, wisdom and the inevitable. Whether he likes it or not Jack is tied to fate itself- he IS the main character after all, for better or for worse (usually the later). His own fate was even meticulously planned out from before the books even started everyone who has read vol4 knows what I'm talking about. He's the unknowing harbinger of doom y'all remember halloween night in vol 1? YEP! Even in tales from the road there is literally an entity telling him about an impending doom he can't avoid. He will survive it though, doom is about the journey but never the ending, mans not allowed to die permanently because without him you have no storyteller, he'll get to go though every painful thing the universe throws at him and still get back up. He's done this before, he'll do it again, he knows how it works, he will just suffer through it. He's a smart guy, he figured out how Bedside Manor worked and how to break it, he figured out how to cheat fate at the end of vol 4 by doing something he would NEVER do. He's learned the ins and outs of how doom works and once he does he can use that knowledge to find the loopholes, just like any other Mage of Doom. Jerry: Rogue of Breath, Prospit dreamer Breath is about freedom, adaptability, motivation, change and are all extremely social people.

You'd probs jump to Jerry as oh he's a Hope player, all the cult stuff- HOWEVER Jerry kinda royally fucked that up due to his own want and need for freedom. He didn't even care to follow his own rules he refuses to be boxed in by anyone or anything including himself. He's a flamboyant, chaotic social butterfly goblin of a man with a good heart who refuses to be restricted by others he's just as free and volatile as the wind. The fact that Breath players are also known to sweep others up in their own personal pursuits.... y'all know what he did- ON TOP OF LETTING IT GET WAY OUT OF HAND. He DID the Rogue thing, he took freedom at first a lotta people's freedom but since he didn't want to be in control he gave alllllllll that freedom back and that freedom ended up being completely misused. Past that though Jerry is selfless, sure he steals and takes from others but he's never doing it for himself, he's always doing it for someone else. Man stole food and clothes to give to homeless people, he steals shit from the gas station all the time but he overpays for each item he takes (we know he's the one leaving all that extra money in the register) he doesnt even do it for attention either he just does. Rosa: Sylph of Blood, Prospit dreamer Blood is the bond aspect, stubborn but charismatic, magnetic and uplifting, they are your most loyal friends to a fault.

Rosa... is so damn stubborn- dude that girl came back 3 times- 3 fucking times while Jack (not fully his fault) kept ghosting her while they were trying to hire new employees during vol 2. Not only that but she hung on to him though the whole mess of vol3 and still was like nope you're stuck with me you are going to be my friend and I am going to care about you no matter what shit you get into even if i have no clue what's going on. Oh man then in vol 4??? She did the thing- she literally did the sylph thing where they teach others how to heal their aspect- she helps him heal that broken connecting he has to Sabine. She is the only reason he figures out how to talk to her again she helps him heal that link even though its hella painful for him. She's also the only one who has ever gotten him in the vicinity or talking about his blood relatives and while she agrees that bond would better be broken than healed she does sorta help him come to terms with it all which is healing in itself. Amy: Knight of Light, Derse dreamer. Light is the straight up raw knowledge aspect, accuracy, perfectionism to the point people think its straight up luck. Considering Amy is a cop and she also actively looks into her cases because a lot of them confuse her (the town is weird) she is seeking knowledge at every corner. I'm not only looking at this from what she does in vol 2-4 but also during Finding Vanessa. She also plays detective, she on her own tries to figure it all out and uncover all this hidden stuff the town is hiding, and you can pick up on it when you go back and read her scenes. In Vol4 you get to see how much she actually HAS figured out without ever talking to the rest of them or even asking for help. If you read closely and you know how stuff works from Finding Vanessa there is a tell in vol 4 in the morgue when she steps out to take that call. She has far more knowledge of the events happening than she says aloud and she uses every bit of that knowledge to protect the other three at every turn, especially Jack. She actually does her job trying to protect the innocent unlike the majority of the cops in town, she even gets one past Roger in the end cuz she outsmarts the debt because she has the knowledge on how the deals work. Spencer: Prince of Time, Derse dreamer Time is about the beginnings and the ends, independence and perseverance and they have heavy connections to death.

What can I say, Spencer gets shit done. He has his grubby little mitts in everything moving the plot forward outside of Jack. Also like....isn't he technically undead/ immortal? Either way he's a time player, he is incapable of just accepting things as they come oh no, he never sits down and takes anything he's always pushing forward, always moving, he's always doing something. Dude is playing 4D chess though out the books in the background he works with the impossible, frankly its a bit terrifying cuz he never slows down or stops. Even when he's waiting its to strike at the most opportune moment. All of that is what also makes him a Prince (please make fun of his stupid pants and tiara) he is destructive and terrifying and he LOVES the attention he gets from it. Princes really like getting recognized for their efforts, whatever they may be, Spencer is no different he loves the thrill he loves to scare people and have power over them. If you think about someone who destroys peoples time... the guy who ends a lot of people's time? Sabine: Muse of Space, Prospit dreamer Space is always the aspect of creation, abstraction, inventiveness, new beginnings.

Oh yes... we have a Master Class. Sabine being a Muse makes perfect sense considering how shrouded in mystery she is- not to mention how she is NEVER actually there though out the whole story. Her presence lingers and she has massive sway on the journey Jack and all the others take. She's the ghost that haunts the narrative who has left such an impact on it she's forever influencing the world without her ever being there. And if you know vol4... with Spencer as the Time player and Sabine as the Space player.... mhm you see why that works? She gives everyone space or leads them to the place they are now, for better or worse. We saw their memories, she showed up in all of them influencing them to be where they are now. Space is creation, its new life, she makes sure others can have that, even if it means she sacrificed herself so someone else can start again.

[zaccrimart]

Hey. Saw your disco ball themed picrew. So. Whats your god tier

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I'm glad you enjoyed the

Discoholic Picrew

Made for the lovely @discoholicmusic, everyone should go follow and listen to his tunes for a groovy time! Streaming every Saturday on twitch at 8pm ET.

You may be pleased to know that last year for 4/13 I drew some special hometuck discoholics featuring many beloved dischoholic characters (which you have a chance of catching on the aforementioned streams)

Stream Blame it on the DJ by Discoholic and DATAGIRL

also my classpect is rogue of mind lol

[aortaobservatory]

Rogue of Hope

A Rogue of Hope values the ideals and convictions of others so much that they give away their own to let others use it. They use and protect their own rebellious truth to keep the ideals they give away pure, contributing to the beliefs to others without believing it themselves. This means they often encourage idealistic commitments, but personally, get stuck in their own truths.

[cgtg]

BREATH PLAYERZ ONLY

as with the space poll: if you consider multiple, i suggest going for the one u feel aligned with currently/most often, which one u wanna represent in a poll like this, whichever has the most compelling role/narrative, whatever works for U. classpecting is very subjective, and fluid for a lot of people.

i still actively encourage discussion in the replies of what your class and aspect mean to u. simple or lengthy, i wanna hear it :J

excluding master classes bc no space for em, sorry.

for those who cant vote: i'd appreciate u passing the poll along. also, i'll likely post updates throughout the week on how it's going so everyone can have a peek inside the breathsworld. thank u

[superxstarzz]

what if you combined rogue of heart and knight of time (it'd be davepetasprite's classpect)

davepeta!!!!!! and hey look, there they are!!!

[starlit1daydream]

Thieves & Rogues: Inundation and Redistribution

A day late, I'm aware; turning 18 will do that to a girl. I'm now older, and definitely not wiser.

The Thieves & Rogues are another contentious group; particularly the Thieves for various discourse-generating reasons - but the Rogues have their pitfalls and fall victim to mischaracterisation a lot more than you'd assume.

The Thief:Rogue dichotomy embodies inundation, redistribution and possession. It's the authority over who gets to hold their Aspect for themselves; whether it's them or somebody else, that's what being a Redistribution Class is about.

There's often some insecurity about their capacity to hold it in play as well - and they tend to use a lot of their opposite Aspect's forces; after all, what do you get when you take something but the absence of it, and therefore its opposite?

Canonical Thief players are Vriska Serket (Thief of Light) and Meenah Peixes (Thief of Life).

Canonical Rogue players are Roxy Lalonde (Rogue of Void), Nepeta Leijon (Rogue of Heart), and my arch-nemesis Rufioh Nitram (Rogue of Breath).

Point A - the narrative function of the Thief.

The Thief is the one with active distribution of their Aspect; and therefore the one liable to actively steal it. This, on paper, sounds pretty nasty - there's a reason why Thieves are lumped in with the nebulously 'bad' classes; but it's a neutral role with possible applications in either sense.

They often hold a deep-seated obsession with their Aspect; they think it's something that's out to get them and conflate an excess of it with an absence. Their perceived lack of it motivates them to hoard it, as much as possible.

Vriska Serket, the Thief of Light, is contentious for a damn good reason. Imbued with ungodly plot armour and fortune's favour, she seizes control of the narrative by force, all the while bemoaning her unlucky streak & employing the most unsubtle methods of manipulation she can think to use.

Meenah Peixes, the Thief of Life... does not understand the consequences of her actions; period. She thinks Life is out to get her, exacts every bit of free will she has out of spite and cultivates discourse and stagnation to try and encourage character development. (Oh, yeah, she also... kills people. Like, a lot.)

Their opposite Aspects are, therefore, pretty prevalent! By taking away their Aspect; they leave the inverse behind.

Vriska stealing Light leaves Void. Meenah stealing Life leaves Doom.

Often, it's almost as if they're using their inverse to cultivate their actual Aspect; Vriska uses offscreen events to justify onscreen developments - it's how she 'takes luck'. Meenah uses suffering and control in order to encourage growth - it's how she 'takes life'.

They care very little for their Aspect at the centre of it all, despite their perceived obsession; they don't seem to understand the value of it at all. That's the interesting part, I feel.

Point B, the practical function of the Thief.

Now, taking the Aspect is a very powerful ability in the right hands. We don't just see Vriska metaphorically rob fortune, she literally steals luck from her enemies mid-fight and utilises chance and possibility in order to get the upper hand.

Meenah takes 'taking life' about as seriously as you can get - not only does she really like killing people, but as the Condesce everything she did resulted in stagnation and decay in her wake as she robbed the worlds she ruled of the ability to develop; using control and hegemony to cultivate development and failing miserably.

The opposing Aspect, again, plays a prominent role! Vriska forgoes certainty and manipulates the absence of a definitive outcome to play around with luck. Meenah forgoes development and enacts control on the people beneath her to play around with change.

Point C, the narrative function of the Rogue.

I'm gonna use the Thief's concluding point as the jumpoff point for the Rogues; whereas the Thief devalues their Aspect, the Rogue puts too much stock in its importance. Their Aspect is too important to them; and so their relationship with it differs.

Passive classes tend to act without realising it, and the Rogues are no different - I'd argue their presence often leads to their Aspect being taken in a way they don't realise they're doing.

Roxy Lalonde, Rogue of Void, is desperate for attention, and yet obfuscates knowledge, is isolated from all society and would rather get drunk at the start of her arc than face the truth of her situation. I'd argue that she downplays her own importance as a person in the face of her friends' catastrophic communication failures. By being around, she takes the Void from her session and opens up ways to communicate whilst learning to give irrelevance to things.

Nepeta Leijon, Rogue of Heart, puts people into boxes. She makes them into little cariacatures on her walls, plays matchmaker in her stories; and yet she's also one of the most emotionally mature and genuine trolls in the story - she wears her Heart on her sleeve, and doesn't deny it. By being around, she takes the Heart from her friends by way of drawing out truer selves, as we see in her relationship with the insecure & disingenuous Equius.

Rufioh Nitram, Rogue of Breath, takes people's sense of purpose and direction and makes their agency depend on his presence in their life. He does Damara and Horuss dirty time and time again, and yet they can't cut him off because he's made himself too important. And yet there he is, spineless, giving away his own free will because he holds no security in his selfhood. He's trapping people in relationships without realising. I also want to drop an anvil on his head.

The common thread, despite the differing situations, is the indirect usage of the opposing Aspect to passively take away the true Aspect and the character development involving a realisation of their Aspect's value and the importance of keeping it for oneself. Roxy is the only Rogue whose development we see in full, unfortunately; but there's snippets with Nepeta and Rufioh Nitram changing isn't happening any time soon.

Point D, then. The practical function of the Rogue.

Once again, Roxy is our only point of reference by virtue of being the only God-Tiered Rogue; but luckily, she also gives us some really good demonstrations. Roxy literally takes the nonexistence away from something, bringing it into existence.

Inversely, she's capable of giving Void to herself, cloaking herself and by extension her whole session in a veil of invisibility. She's controlling the distribution of Void, letting it both be taken and given; after making her peace with the distribution of it.

So, the common thread is the central question of 'who gets to have my Aspect?'

A Thief would tell you 'me', and a Rogue would tell you 'anyone else'. That's what I feel separates them, and yet don't let that convince you that Thieves are bad and Rogues are good; look at Rufioh. A Thief may take for altruistic reasons, and a Rogue may give away for... not so altruistic reasons!

Get creative with it, that's what I say. How about a Thief of Doom who takes on everyone else's suffering because they're self-sacrificial to a fault? ...Okay, actually, that's my idea, don't take that one.

Anyhow, next week I'll be concluding the 'normal' classes with the Maids and Sylphs! Should be fun, I'll see you then - hopefully on time, too.

[doctorzul]

I always understood why Calliope and Caliborn got to have the extra-special, never-before-seen, uber-powerful Master Classes, but I never loved it. To me, the two of them fit very nicely into pre-existing Classes (Rogue for Calliope and Prince for Caliborn) which echo their "prefered" humans (Roxy and Dirk, respectively.) So I hereby present Rogue of Space Calliope and Prince of Time Caliborn, in some AU where they two of them manage to play a 2-player version of SBURB (hence the shared tooth.) P.S.: I know the Rogue of Space's boots should be red, but I think it the green ones fit more nicely into the theme (plus, Vriska has red boots when she should have blue ones like Rose and Aranea, so deal w/ it :P)