#rogue class

[thatcerealkiller]

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[notcaptainjack]

[aethismantis]

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[nekropsii]

Sorry if this is out of the blue, but what do you think of the whole "Heart players deal with their splinters"? To me, it doesn't really make sense?

I keep seeing it in classpecting posts (which are years old tbf) and imo, splinters are a Dirk thing, not a Heart thing.

I mean, if Heart is the aspect of the True Self, then it makes sense for Dirk as a Prince to destroy it and have multiple selves. But Nepeta, for example, never struggles with this? Nor Meulin?

The only other self Nepeta has is her role-playing persona, which she doesn't really struggle with, and her Dream Self which I think was awake on Prospit before the start of the game.

Unless you count Fefetasprite and Davepetasprite, and she seems happy as both.

I feel like sometimes fans only look at Dirk to define Heart and forget that Nepeta also was a Heart player, or that Dirk had a Destroyer class.

What the hell?

Yeah, this is absolutely a problem caused by what I like to call “Strider Bias”. Dirk is very, very frequently used as the sole reference for analysis of Heart as an Aspect, with complete disregard for the fact that he is a Prince. It’s such an issue within Classpect Analysis that even the Official Extended Zodiac Site fucked this up.

Splinters are a Dirk only problem, stemming from his specific manifestation of him being a Prince of Heart. This is because Heart is the Aspect of the True Self, and Prince is a Destructive Class. He expresses this by fragmenting his soul- or his self- into “Splinters” and scattering them elsewhere. This is not something that other Heart players have to deal with, because the nature of their relationship with Heart is not inherently Destructive. Destruction of Heart is needed for Splintering. That is in the very nature and title of the ability.

Earnestly, Spriting does not count towards Splintering unless what was put within the Sprite… Was ALREADY a Splinter. Davepetasprite^2 and Fefetasprite are not Splinters of Nepeta. They’re just Sprites that happen to have Nepeta in them, who happens to be a Heart player. No one’s saying Erisolsprite is a Splinter of Sollux or Eridan, nor that Davesprite is a Splinter of Dave or the crow. That side of the argument falls apart when you consider that the Heartbound aren’t the only people that get Sprited.

Same for the Roleplaying example. The Heartbound aren’t the only people that Roleplay. Nepeta’s roleplaying has to do with her being a Rogue of Heart. That’s a Redistribution class. She’s just putting her soul into a character for a while as a means of earnest self expression. She gets her friends to do it with her, yes, but none of it has to do with Splintering. It’s not Destructive. You need Destruction to form Splinters.

[weirdmageddon]

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[a-mage-ing]

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[rogue-of-heart-classpecting]

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[wearybatart]

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[mx-lamour]

Astarion is a rogue not because he's a creature of the night or whatever, but because if they can't find you, they can't touch you.

[batrachois]

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[starlit1daydream]

why do rogues always have relationship issues. its downplayed with nepeta (though she's still hopelessly in love with someone she knows will never love her) but then we look at roxy and rufioh and. ouch

[notcaptainjack]

[aethismantis]

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[classpecting-thoughts]

All heroes of Heart have some manner of splinters and/or masks. They all tend to have different ways that this shows up, though there is some overlap.

A Prince of Heart splinters outward, creating different versions of themselves on the outside. This tends to lead to different variations of themselves being everywhere, and can leave the Prince unsure of who their true self is, or if they even truly have one.

An Heir of Heart splinters inward. They gather different versions of themselves on the inside. Rather than being destructive and tearing down their sense of self that occurs with a Prince, this interior splintering helps build their personality, creating more of it. An Heir of Heart will compartmentalize every part of themselves, and gather labels they associate with themselves in an effort to be able to share/explain these compartmentalized parts of themselves with others.

A Thief of Heart does something similar to the Heir, splintering inward, but rather than being mostly internal, the different bits of their self that they gather come from others. A thief of heart will pick up quirks and habits from those they spend time with or respect at a much faster rate than most. They take these bits and pieces and craft their personality and sense of self out of them, making them their own in the process.

A Rogue of Heart splinters more similarly to the Prince. Rogues’ different splinters are external, but rather than the masks made up of their own personality shown to other people the Prince has, they are splinters they’ve gathered from others in a similar manner to a Thief. A Rogue will take bits and pieces from those around them and reflect them back, making them into both masks and mirrors.

Those are all the classes I currently have thoughts on, but I’d be happy to continue discussing it! Feel free to add your own thoughts if you’d like (even if it’s to say I’m wrong!).

[classpects-and-hs-explanations]

hi! i would love to hear your thoughts about and explanation of the rogue class!

Rogues are an interesting case because they follow a Robin Hood trope. Taking from the plentiful and giving to those who lack. They're destructive but in a different way from say a Prince or Bard. They deconstruct and rebuild more than they do destroy and leave destroyed.

We can look at Rogues from two different viewpoints; The point that they will never have anything or the point that they have to learn to keep some things for themselves to survive. Rogues thrive off others using their aspect through them, but that can't be done if they run out of Aspect that flows in themselves.

Rogues in simplistic terms "Take" and "Redistribute," however, it's so much more than that. Rogues also Take and Use for others, look back to the Robin Hood point. Robin Hood stole from the rich, gave to the poor, but he used the money HE kept to help others and not fully run out of what he was Taking and Redistributing. However, he does eventually. He's left in ruin, and Rogues can be too if they're not careful. Rogues can and will be left with nothing to them or their aspect without those realizing if not careful. This is because Rogues are probably one of the most selfless classes, and probably one of the most non-self serving. That's their journey, a journey of becoming self-serving in at least some way. To become healthily stable and content within their aspect lest it leave them in ruin.

The Rogue god-tier would be able to take things out of its aspect. See Roxy with the ability to take things out of Void, out of nothing. A rogue's aspect control is also entirely dependent on how they learn to interact with others! If they refuse to grow and adapt to it, they'll crumble and fail to recognize themselves. However, if they learn and grow and become themselves and stable, they'll understand and be in control upon god-tiering, being able to pull from their aspect without much effort.

Hope this helps!

[zoethehead]

Honestly, Ash would either be a knight of life, or a rogue of doom, idk.