what I learned from season 2 of IWTV is that a distressingly large amount of people cannot tell the difference between a consensual BDSM dynamic and assault/abuse, nor do they know anything about how kink actually works
it’s not unhealthy for Armand to be submissive or delve into maître/slave kink dynamics. in fact it’s something people do to explore and get past their traumas all the time irl. additionally, he is like five times older and more powerful than Louis, he wasn’t being forced to do anything, nor could Louis ever actually force him. the kink was probably the healthiest aspect of their relationship, what fucked them over was a jumble of commitment issues, a lack of trust, and eventual murder - which is something that would cause problems in any relationship ever, no matter how vanilla.
the Point of the tragedy is that they were on the precipice of something happy, but Louis hesitated for too long and Armand couldn’t recognize when he was loved, and the kink had nothing to do with it, for fuck’s sake. Louis wasn’t abusive and it’s not bad or wrong for Armand to want to be a sub -
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Do you have any thoughts, feelings, dismissive or derisive or intrigued or speculative noises you'd be willing to share about the "Kupala is an Earthbound" theory, please?
My dear mutual, it's like you knew I'd read Transylvania by Night recently! Beyond that, I've actually used Kupala in my long-ago Gehenna chronicle; the PCs essentially unleashed the demon to stop Tremere (the person and the clan) from winning the Eternal Struggle through a curse loophole. Good times.
Unfortunately, my thoughts on the Earthbound bit specifically tend towards the... not dismissive, but indifferent? I'm not a big Demon or Werewolf guy, and either of the "OMG Kupala is really THIS" revelations mostly serve to enable crossovers with those lines. Like: Kupala exists, it's a thing, it's in the soil in Transylvania, and how it got there and what exactly it is don't really matter in terms of the stories I want to tell.
Additionally - and this is my most unpopular opinion, so be warned - I find the Tzimisce deeply overwritten. There's too much convoluted comic-book "and then and then and then" worldbuilding around the clan. "They're bound to their ancestral soil because their Antediluvian made a pact with a demon of the primordial world" is a perfectly fine thing, but it has to coexist with too many other big things in the main, like "their Antediluvian has become a disease and is capable of affecting the entire biosphere" or "one of their bloodlines rejects Kupala and koldunism but it's not the same one that rejects Vicissitude so they're all still fucked" or [redacted because it's the stupidest bit of Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand] or the whole "two Antediluvian bodies" thing or playing Find The Lady with the worm in the box in Vienna. None of those ideas have room to breathe because they're all crammed in and treated as true at once.
The Tzimisce really need someone like Matthew Dawkins to work them over, the way he did the Hecata in Cults of the Blood Gods, establish a new normal with a coherent context rather than bits jabbing up through various books by various authors. If I ever write up my notes on V5: the Dark Ages, I'm going to try and do that job (since a lot of their bullshit originates in or before the Dark Ages setting).
HOWEVER. Kupala is kinda my favourite of the Tzmisce lore strands. It feels like the easiest to separate out from the others, and gives them a closer tie to the Tremere ("Kupala keeps encouraging sorcery in clans, wonder why?"). I think, when I first ran that Gehenna game, I was under the impression that Vicissitude somehow came from Kupala as well - that it was the Eldest's payoff for unbinding the demon/god.
So. Kupala. I like it, but I don't necessarily think attaching the "Earthbound from Demon: the Fallen" or "big ol' Bane from Werewolf: the Apocalypse" is necessary.
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