monodeku actor au where they are supposed to act like they hate each other on set cause yk, monoma hates 1-A. But, they’re not very good at it and fans can tell. In the background where monoma and Midoriya are, you can tots see them flirting. plus whenever monoma has to deliver a line to Midoriya specifically it always has undertones that it should not have. like why do you sound romantic saying that he’s a piece of 1-A scum.
the entire sports festival arch is a mess in this au. every time Midoriya is in a scene you can see monoma in the background ogling him and it’s actually kinda funny. the final cut of one of the episodes accidentally left in a bit where Midoriya does something and Monoma was so busy staring at him that he full-on faceplants. they just. didn’t cut that out.
and during the cavalry battle you can totally see team monoma run by team midoriya more than once obviously intentionally and each time he says something to midoriya which results in midoriya making a scandalized face while ochaco has to stop herself from giggling.
ugh and what if monoma was initially meant to make it into the 1v1 fights but the producers saw how he and midoriya were and decided that actually team kendou should make it instead. they didn’t want a homo fight on their hands.
and like that one scene they show where monoma is taunting iida, ochaco, and midoriya at lunch had to be reshot several times because monoma could NOT get his lines out without it sounding like hes actually asking midoriya out. like at one point he fully leans on the chair midoriya is sitting at the and the director goes “bro. are you serious right now.”
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As much as i understand where the anon saying they wished the analyses were more realistic and based, i think that's not a plausable thing, because the personal experience of each person is just different. Each of us needs something else. Sure, we are all watching the same show, but since we all come from different backgrounds, lives and experiences, we all take different things from it. As much as i would die to know how the story wraps up this moment and i wish i could somehow read the Duffers's minds, watching the show, talking about it, discussing it, disecting it and even fighting over ships within the fandom is just a hobbie.
Now, don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to have their opinion, but what was told there is basically a M*lven vs Byler discourse, it looks the same. It's as if someone came and said they wished everyone just shipped M*lven instead of running away with Byler.
This being said, i heartly suggest the anon to find the roght nitche within the Byler community, you can just watch whatever you like, no one should ever force you to follow something you don't want.
I hope i didn't sound disrespectful, i really understand where they come from, i just felt like i needed to say something because i really want the anon to enjoy the experience.
I definitely don't think you sound disrespectful, so don't worry about that! That being said, I don't necessarily agree with the idea that thinking people should be more realistic or narrative focused in their analysis of Stranger Things is "implausible" (even with everyone's varied backgrounds/interests)—and I'll do my best to say why!
forewarning: long post, and (probably) unpopular opinion
Honestly, I can understand how we all get something different or latch onto something different in ST, as well as why it would be strange to expect people's personal headcanons to line up across rhe fandom for all characters—that's not really what I'm arguing for (and I don't think what anon was arguing for either). If someone is just looking for a place to enjoy the fanon versions of characters in a way that aligns with their preferred interpretation, I agree with you—you should definitely cater your experience to what you enjoy!
I think the issue of a lack of objectivity and people being "plausible" becomes a problem when you start moving into media analysis of Stranger Things, and start losing sight of the fact that media as a whole is absolutely based on objective rules and structures—whether that be in writing, narrative structure, cinematography, and everything else. As much as it can hurt to admit when you're passionate about something...some people are better at catching narrative setups and structures than others, and it's because they've trained themselves through study and experience to do it.
In the case of narrative and even writing analysis, the issue starts when people start taking any and all interpretations as equally valid analyses solely because we're all "entitled to opinions"—aka taking someone who has no real experience with critical media consumption's opinion as "just as valid" an interpretation of what goes on screen as what doesn't as someone who has made a study of these things for years, professionally or otherwise. Like, sure—fandom is just a hobby, and I can understand if people don't want to sully their enjoyment of a thing with deep dive analyses on what shot structure or 3 part structure means. Even so...that doesn't mean the skills, degrees, personal work and even just study people have done to understand how stories are told on multiple fronts isn't objectively useful to them having a better understanding of Stranger Things, or that someone with deep and time-tested media literacy doesn't have a better shot at understanding both intent and narrative as done by the Duffers than someone else (while managing their expectations better because they know how stories/shows are built).
You have to remember: The Duffers are film boys. And I don't mean that in a "they enjoy movies" way either—they have literal degrees in directorship from one of the most respected film schools in California, run a masterclass on storytelling, and have been accepted into the wider cultural zeitgeist as great writers not just by the wider public, but their own peers. They have been writing for years, just started their own production company, and work with people who have been casting, shooting, designing and making music for decades too--all fields that have objective uses and "right" way to do things, the same as you learn in any english, journalism or film class.
In that way, saying "I wish people were more objective and realistic" in their analyses (at least to me) translates to "I wish people would stop conflating their deep interest in a thing from a perspective other than the one the creators are coming from with an objective understanding of how this story will be told," which...I mean its a little harsh, but its also an extremely fair statement in my mind.
Basically: If you have a baseline for what certain things mean in media in general, your take on what is going on in the show probably by default holds a little more water as an interpretation of the events on screen—and you're a lot more likely to have an objective, universally media savvy reason (as opposed to just "I watched the show intensely") for why you believe its true. There are objective rules behind why we talk about shot structure, pacing, parallels, outfit choice, score motifs, and even dialogue...and people who know what those rules are and why they are important are how we determine levels of media literacy, which (as I'm sure you've even seen around here) is very real.
The byler fandom gets on M*levens for this all the time by saying they're "misreading the subtext" or "media illiterate," but...the tendency to miss common media cues in other areas is still just as true in the Byler fandom, because (by absolutely no fault of their own most of the time) this is people's first attempt at media analysis...and media analysis as a concept is both a practiced art and an acquired skill.
Being preemptively concerned that a lot of people in this fandom are setting themselves up for disappointment because they are applying their own background as a baseline to a show built for and by people with media / film / television backgrounds is a radical bit of honesty on that anon's part, yes—but its also true. In the same way you can't expect to walk into a grad school class full of people studying rocket propulsion to throw in your opinion on how to build a spaceship as first year english student, so people trying to act like it doesn't matter if you're familiar with narrative or media or cinematography when talking the outcome of Stranger Things simply because "its a hobby" (esp knowing who The Duffers are) is a bit...shortsighted.
Not acknowledging the background the creators come from, then acting like your background matters more than theirs—especially in terms of analyzing their show—is nonsensical, but...its what a lot of fandom (in general, not just with Stranger Things lmao) does anyway. Too often people to let their passion for something get ahead of the objective reality behind why things happen on screen--which is what is core to media literacy as a concept, even if there are still things we can't know for sure.
All that to say: if you're just doing what interests you with the characters because you like them it doesn't matter, live your best life. I agree 100% that you should cater your experience to what you want to see. But if you want to have an analytical take that in the end has a chance to hold any water, you have to funnel your understanding of ST to what The Duffers would think to do...not your own experience. That, to me and probably to the anon you're talking about, is what matters the most...and why I don't agree that its strange to hope people will learn (maybe not now, but over the course of their fandom experience) that there really are objective ways to consume and analyze film and television.
I hope you don't take this as an affront, because it was so much lmao. I just...even if we are all coming at ST with different backgrounds, there is a baseline of media understanding required to funnel down what takes are valid interpretations and which aren't—and that's something we struggle to accept as a fandom in an attempt to validate everyone (fair) but that also makes it more likely a lot of people are going to walk into S5 and be radically disappointed.
Its also probably why a lot of people think the "ship war" discourse is based on preference and not objective fact--because they don't read it from anything but "their background" and "personal interest," which isn't why I (or a lot of Bylers) think Byler is gonna happen at all. Byler isn't just a "what you prefer" ship anymore—its whats been baked into the objective fact of the narrative. People think its not....because they lack the objective media analysis I'm talking about. And that's true even with Bylers sometimes, as sad as it is to admit lmao
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