#spn finale theory

[insanesonofabitch]

Kind of funny. SPN was supposed to end in s5, with Sam in Hell, Cas in Heaven, and Dean on Earth, living with a wife and a son. But it ends after ten more season later with Cas in superhell, Dean in Heaven, and Sam on Earth, living with a wife and a son. Like some fucked up game of musical chairs. Except the chairs are never taken, the song remains the same, and they’re just going in circles. Anyways, Happy November 19th.

[vendettasfanfictioning]

It just hit me.

The older brother dies on a hunt like any other, believing he did not deserved to be saved. The younger brother burns him on a pyre and tries to live his life, going through the motions without finding any fulfillment in it. He dies too. The angel is back, serving in Heaven. The nephilim is out of the picture. This is exactly how Chuck would've written the ending—right back to where they started

The Chuck won truthing is hitting hard.

[samsrowena]

↳ 14x10 // 15x20

[destiel-wings]

WAIT WHY DID I ONLY NOW REALIZE THAT THE WINCHESTERS SEASON FINALE IS CALLED "Hey, That's No Way to Say Goodbye" ?????

[chuckwon]

The Chuck Won analysis: a visual representation.

HERE’S THE THESIS:

The ending feels tragic because it IS. The villain wins in the story. And the writers wrote it as purposeful commentary on a situation of real-world censorship that couldn’t allow the ending the characters deserved.

Don’t take my word for it; the show told us everything we need to know.

This piece explores why this matters, in story and out of it.

You do not need ANY prior knowledge of “Chuck won” as an angle of analysis–or prior familiarity with Supernatural meta–to read this. My goal was to make understanding the totality of this concept as accessible as possible.

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[kerryweaverlesbian]

Horrible little Chuck Wins edit for you all :)

Image ID under cut:

[ID:

A series of 3 images. Image 1: Dean in the Supernatural finale stabbed by a piece of rebar. The text "You're dying" from the episode Yellow Fever is edited on top.

Image 2: Dean in the episode Despair with his head in his hands, with the text "Again."

Image 3: Dean in the Supernatural finale in heaven by himself, looking concerned, with the text "Loser."

End ID.]

[carveredlunds]

— Invasion of the Body Snatchers by Jack Finney

[saudades-whore]

ATTN for all my cowboy like me destiel girlies!! i present to you:

[gabaghoul-fandom-meme-queen]

So in Season 15 Episode 2 when Chuck is talking to Amara and is trying to make small talk he says "how about that GOT ending, great right". IF THAT IS NOT A FORSHADOW FOR HOW SHITTY CHUCK'S ENDING WILL BE THAT HE THINKS GOT WAS GOOD!

[orionsangel86]

From what I'm hearing and seeing it sounds like the Chuck Won theory is going strong.

Now THAT is some sweet sweet information to hear.

I hope y'all are right. No better spit in the face to the OG SPN finale than to confirm it was SO badly written, SO AWFUL that the actual big boss villain of the ENTIRE SHOW actually WON in the end.

As always, there is no peace. We are not done. Bring on the drama because we are very much all still in SuperHell forever.

Cheers! 🥂

[woundlingus]

Crazy how supernatural “ended” with the Winchesters celebrating, deciding what they’ll do next and think about how it could be anything, and then driving away from the camera so we will never know or find out because they’re independent and have earned their freedom from the audience and story tellers, thus escaping us, the narrative, and Chuck’s story…

… And then they decided to make just one more episode where they dragged them back in to the story after an undisclosed amount of years for a very cheap ending where Chuck gets everything he wants, and we’re supposed to believe that he genuinely lost and that was the good and correct ending? Nah nah nah. Chuck put them RIGHT back in the spotlight just to make us watch them die and split up for decades. I accept nothing else.

[vendettasfanfictioning]

I do think that the visions that Jack showed Kelly and Cas—of paradise—before he was born were less prophetic/promising and more of a defense mechanism as a nephil, an "Abomination." And the more I think about Jack's morality and "destiny," the more I feel distraught that the series ended with him as God.

[samsrowena]

i know we talk about this episode all the time because it really does foreshadow the end in a horrifying way but i am just feeling so sick about the fact that we see this before chuck writes his first ending:

and then we see this after he rewrites it to be even worse:

like how is this not just a blatant call to attention of network meddling

[destiel-wings]

I've gathered some of my thoughts about The Winchesters season finale and here's why i think it gave me some peace

(yes, this does contain a destiel interpretation, too 💚💙)

Did i want to see Cas in it? Yes.

Was i disappointed that he wasn't? Actually, no (more on that later).

But I loved it. I was so stunned as I saw it and I felt like somehow it healed some of the wounds from the spn finale... but i couldn't quite understand why.

Here's why.

We basically watched Supernatural. Jensen reopened the finale and went further with it. What we saw in The Winchesters felt like a continuation of 15x20, even if it technically happened in between the last two scenes of the finale. But we got Bobby, we got Jack. They all actually talked, in a way that felt alive and real. Jack broke his rule of no interfering, showing that he still cared for Dean (just like he had broken his own rule off screen by saving Cas from the Empty). The Winchesters wasn't a prequel, but a sequel.

Dean got his own story, got to make something for himself (instead of just waiting for Sam on a bridge), and it's something that he wanted to do. He went back to look for hope and love, for a version of his parents where they could have a real chance.

We learn love (or we don't) and how to be in a happy relationship as kids by watching our parents, and Dean was doomed that way. He never had that example, to learn how to build a relationship and let himself be loved. He never learned that. So when he gets to heaven and he has the chance, before getting on that bridge, before meeting up with his family, with Sam... and yes, with Cas (even if we haven't seen him yet), he just needs a freaking minute. He needs a little time to himself. To reconnect. To understand. To reflect on love and what it means to love and be loved.

So he does what any fond child would do... he looks up at his parents. Only his parents that are right there in heaven didn't exactly have a happy ending (or even a happy middle), so he explores further, searching for a chance, a hope, a version of his own legacy where love was possible. Because if his parents can make it... so can he.

And we see all that through his own lenses (the weird use of the camera lenses with all those flares and glow resembles the aura of Dean's drive in heaven, thinking about it in retrospect).

screencaps of the glowy amber look and those camera flares, there's probably better examples but these are some of the best ones i could find

Dean's mission might have been the Akrida, but the reason he went looking, the real quest he was after, was hope. Hope for a happy ending. Hope for love, where said love was doomed from the start.

And it's not surprising that there were destiel parallels everywhere, because that was Dean's POV, and he's processing his own feelings. Which is something he needs to do before he sees Cas again.

And personally, I think Dean loves Cas back and he knew that before dying, but still, that doesn't mean that he's not afraid of messing it up. That he knows how to approach him, or face Cas, after all that's happened.

He may not even be doing all of this thinking consciously, but the Castiel subtext we've seen in The Winchesters, from a narrative POV, is Dean's.

We're seeing the parallels because he's seeing them, making them, it's his way of processing. Of seeing what he and Cas had, and what they could have. Looking for hope.

And, as he himself said before leaving again... i think he found it.

So i don't know how things are going to go on from here. I can't imagine how we could have Dean in a season two. I've been saying all along that The Winchesters might open the story for a SPN revival/s16, and i think it is perfectly possible that this might happen here.

The Winchesters might not have Dean anymore, becoming its own show (but still having lots of references and guest stars from Supernatural) and *as Jensen loves to say* when we get the revival, there will be the space to address Castiel's confession and give his character the importance that it needs.

It wouldn't have made sense to see Cas here in a little cameo, it wouldn't have been enough. But what we saw here, was the confirmation of Jensen reopening the finale, and his willingness to bring Dean back (as he's always stated), for whatever more he's allowed to do.

I love the way they handled it, we still got peace and hope (even if there were to be no s2), and i feel like we're all more confident that the bridge scene is not an ending, but a beginning of something more. Dean has said he's gonna go look for his family. That's not just Sam.

Of course he's gonna see Cas too. But i don't think any of us would've been satisfied to see him pop up randomly for a couple of minutes in TW, with little to no mention of what happened between them.

Also, i want to point out that this was supposed to be the midseason finale but they had to adapt it when they found out they didn't get a full season, we could've had much more (like more narrating voices as Jensen had teased) or even seeing more of Dean, instead of just seeing him in the pilot and the season finale. They even asked Misha to be there (and he refused for scheduling conflicts since he was busy filming Gotham Knights *but said he's absolutely willing to appear later*).

So i think there's still so much story to tell here and i am absolutely hopeful and trust that we will love it.

I think they did an amazing job in 13 episodes, and I can't wait to see what's next 💖

[carryoncastiel]

[nikkashidashipper]

so. i saw the second season again. and im getting increasingly more and more convinced that metatron is the culprit in everything going to hell at the end of ep6

im not saying the two dont have a communication issue (if you pay attention to it then its obnoxiously obvious that my god! they really just dont tell each other shit)

but metatron has these moments in the episode where

- he talks about "a prince of heaven" being cast out and how it makes a good story

- he was present during gabriels (attempted) memory wipe

- he looks Very pointedly at crowley when he sees him while standing in line in front of the coffee shop

- the condescending tone he addresses crowley with when asking him if he knows him (i mean crowley is still a demon but idk it still stuck with me)

- the Look over his shoulder he gives crowley when walking out with aziraphale (bad omens. this is the bad omens now)

- the whole coffee business (could be a number of things - poison, to gain aziraphales trust, a prop, list could go on)

- how the first (and only, really) thing metatron did was locate crowley, get aziraphale to talk to him and separate the two..

- ..and subsequently very subtly pit them against each other basically

- he said that "gabriel hadnt worked out" which could be nothing but is just suspicious given the way heaven is well. a cult in which you wont really "work" if you start thinking for yourself

- the "go on, go tell your friend the good news"

- he encourages aziraphales decision, says that crowley "always did want to go his own way"

- he does Not give any room to aziraphale for him to change his mind

- he says to aziraphale that he needs "an angel of his talents" and someone who "knows how they do things on earth" on the way to the lift (again. bad omens. unwell omens)

+ it still bothers me how none of the angels present, michael or uriel or sahaquiel, or aziraphale (he spoke to him in s1? maybe he just didnt speak up because he wasnt asked? idk) recognised metatron. only crowley knows/remembers metatron and metatron seems to be Keenly aware of crowley

tldr i should have put at the beginning is that right now im gonna go with the theory that metatron (more or less solely) wanted to separate crowley and aziraphale because one) they are too powerful together and he doesnt want them to fully figure that out, and/or two) wants to manipulate and use aziraphale for the "second coming" plan, whatever that is, and/or three) hes a cunt looking for an interesting and exciting story for his own amusement