#the jaime discourse

[raventreehall]

sometimes when you guys discuss who is the REAL younger more beautiful queen you sound exactly like cersei. it's no one and it's everyone. it's the idea of a younger more beautiful queen simply existing. cersei thinks it's sansa, then thinks it's margaery, and it is. because cersei's crazy paranoid brain has done the work for her. the ymbq as a figment of her imagination has actually cast her down and taken all she holds dear.

[kisses-in-the-void]

I need more hetero ships where the guy doesn’t like the woman at first—including her appearance—and it’s not the usual ‘ugh, she’s so hot, why does she have to be such a bitch?’ situation. I mean genuine initial rejection. But over time, as he gets to know her and starts to admire her personality, he slowly begins to see her as beautiful too.

Because for me, that’s what real love is—based not on physical attraction, but on being drawn to the soul inside. And when you love that person’s soul, their body starts to look beautiful too. Because beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

So far, though, I can only think of one couple like that: Jaime and Brienne.

And when I say "hetero couples", it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love to see that dynamic in queer ships too. But I feel like this idea is so deeply ingrained in most straight ships, and in how the majority of people expect them to be portrayed—that a man should ALWAYS be physically and sexually attracted to a woman first and foremost. It’s acceptable if he can’t stand her personality, but the desire has to be there from the very first minute they meet.

[melrosing]

it's impressive to me that jaime is simultaneously one of the most loved and one of the most hated characters in fandom

ehhh tbh I think it's quite typical that the most popular characters in fandom are also the most polarising, and to an extent Jaime is designed to get a mixed reaction. as ever though, there's always a difference between those who just don't care for Jaime and those who go out of their way to write bad faith analyses of his character. and i mean whatever lol, there are more egregious things than Jaime antis in the world but my god they are so boring. writing the worst meta on the Riverrun chapters that you've ever seen in your life whilst praising themselves for seeing through Jaime's redemption arc and only liking some good, upstanding child character or w/e

same ppl who say 'i LOVE brienne she's my FOURTH favourite character i NEED to PROTECT her! she deserves better than BRAIME stans!' and then they never post about her again except to say that a second, third, fourth and fifth time

[brienneevenstar]

so true, jb warrior @/CartisMyMommy

[lastmidtownshowmp3]

Some tai themed doodles from my strawpage reqs

[diana-prince43]

Half of my night ruined by another user who saids Jaime only loves Brienne in a narcissist way. That was rude, that was pretty fucking rude.

[greensaplinggrace]

#hot take #truths the fandom isn’t ready for #fans of this never bring up - *proceeds to discuss topics already extensively discussed in fandom and by fans*

[chickren]

it’s so funny to me that people see jaime’s relationship with tywin in the show and then act like it’s also their relationship in the books

[atopvisenyashill]

do you think jon will have a dark turn? i think about what the meereenese blot guy said about him stopping caring about innocent people dying and wonder...

i think basically everyone is going to take a "dark" turn in the winds of winter to be honest - which is why its called the winds of winter. i think basically every single character we get a pov from is going to meet their moral event horizon, and either blink or keep pushing. more than the books previous, i think we'll really get a sorting here of who is on the right (if not livable) path and who is on the path of destruction.

but what does jon's dark turn look like? well first of all, i think his leaving the night's watch is going to be significantly more controversial than it was in the show. it's not going to just be dolorous edd mentioning his vows in a single scene, it's going to be a whole big issue because i don't think the "well he did technically die" excuse is going to go over well. especially if he deserts, as i suspect he will, to help crown one of his siblings - when you look at it from an outsiders' pov it looks really bad that he's deserting to immediately go play politics. and the thing here is that jon does love his brothers in black, as much as he loves his blood cousins siblings. he thinks to himself that the night's watch was much more of a home than winterfell ever was to him because of how much of an outsider he felt like due to being a bastard and i think some of that is him coping but some of that is very true. at the wall, jon can make a name for himself without too much stink over being baseborn, something that is all but impossible outside of the watch. he does love sam as much as he loves robb, bran, arya, sansa, and rickon, and i would posit he loves ed, grenn, pyp, aemon, and jeor just as much as well, and likely feels a similar sort of fondness for cotter pyke, denys mallister, and the rest of the old guard as he did for people like jory, rodrik, luwin, mikken, etc. they are in his heart and he cannot abandon them anymore than he can abandon his siblings.

but he'll try! just like he tried to abandon his identity as a stark bastard, he will (imo) throw himself into being a stark bastard when he wakes and abandon his identity as a man of the night's watch. i've seen a lot of takes about how he will be ruthlessly engaging in a campaign claim winterfell to fight the Others and I think that comes from the right place but it has it the other way around - in an echo of osha's warning about "marching the wrong way" I think Jon is going to more or less abandon his fears of the others in favor of helping his siblings reclaim Winterfell, and he's going to be very ruthless in trying to crown them. sort of like a brynden/aegor/brandon snow parallel here, of a bastard sibling ready to take on the "necessary" violence to get their true born sibling the crown.

but as this is happening, there will be several factions that grow around the starklings - sansa and the valemen, rickon and the manderlys, arya and the brotherhood....and jon and the wildlings. i don't think he's going to accept a crown from them but i do think they are going to offer it continuously and look to him as their king in truth if not in name. It's noteworthy to me that the wildlings have yet to coalesce around another King Beyond the Wall; some have flocked to mother mole, and Jon thinks that they would flock to Tormund but that's only because he himself likes Tormund and would follow him. I think in conversation with Mance as King, Mance who was a kneeler who came over and proclaimed himself King to save the wildlings, the wildlings will proclaim this former kneeler as their king to save themselves over Jon's wishes - but since when do the wildlings care about shit like that lol. And that gets into the other way I think Jon is going to be more ruthless and dark; I think he's going to use the wildlings as canon fodder for a hot minute. Eventually he will come to accept his role within the wildling community - whatever that may look like - but in the winds of winter, I imagine it's going to be uncomfortably bleak as they stalk him across the North and he feeds them into the frontlines to protect his siblings without a care for the damage he's doing to them.

So yes there's a lot of room for darkness in his character! But rather than becoming militant about the Others, I think it's going to be because he rejects the threat of the Others, and starts focusing on getting his siblings a crown, to the detriment of the Watch and the wildlings.

[duchess-of-oldtown]

So my English lecturer talked about ASOIAF today and described Cersei and Jaime "freaky" rather than just saying they're fucking and I had to sit there amongst actual normal human beings like

[visenyaism]

Who would win in a Cage fight between daemon and bloodraven ?

@15step was right. exiled bc he killed his cousin for thoughtcrime vs murder suicide perpetrator. they both lose

[jaimemes]

I want to share a piece of literature in Malie Library that I am quite intrigued by. I transcribed it word for word, with every paragraph break and capital letter as it is originally written. I want to know what you all think of it. What it means, who is speaking, what they are trying to say.

There is no right or wrong answer by the way! This isn't a test or anything! I just want to hear other people's opinions and interpretations of this.

Springing Forth From Alola

I became an island challenge champion And wanted to show my vaunted skills In a far-off region But those city trainers were strong… So, as champion, If I had just passed the time peacefully, I wouldn't have had to suffer so much, I say, cursing myself, but I want to Leave my claw marks on the world— Today, too, I'll be pushed by my partner To exact revenge for yesterday. Rise with my remaining strength… Yes, springing from Alola…

[melrosing]

so what i get from your opinion is that the girl that was just made beacuse the starks were getting along very well with eachother without drama, the girl that has the less conexion to the north, no direwolf, no references or reverence to the old gods, looks are purely tully, had always prefered southern customs over the northern ones, the one that betrayed her own family for a boy that her own younger sister (plus robb and jon) could see was a cruel son of a bitch, the one that her own brother, the king of the north disinherited from his will, the one that thinks that a highborn squire is lower than her, the one and only sansa lannister should be the north's ruler smh

here we go again

[hylialeia]

Dont worry i will send you discourse bait

What do you think about bisexual nonbinary acespec lesbians

sorry not to take a joke ask seriously but like the damage 2017 tumblr did to people's brains is they think this is #discourse when it's just a string identity labels that will all get you hate-crimed in rural north america. if anyone genuinely still gives a fuck about this during what's arguably the height of facism in the US (and while fascism's on the rise everywhere else) there's no helping them

[diana-prince43]

Today I see a Jaime discourse in Twitter (I refuse to call it by the ridiculous name that certain fascist businessman had give to it) saying that he was also coworker of Gregor Clegane for years and so probably complicit of many sex crimes that he hasn't stopped either.

And yes, I would reread all the main series to verify these affirmations (I am almost sure for a fifty percent that is false or at least my brain remind the things very differently but well)