#thinking about the implications for deltarune

[skeletalheartattack]

i had a dream that i had been watching one of those "Obscure Deltarune Facts" videos, and it only had one fact that i remember, which was like:

"Did you know? There isn't a single room in Deltarune that Berdly hasn't been inside!"

shortly after hearing that, i woke up, so i couldn't get immediate confirmation on what that meant.

[the-fishh]

I really enjoy the implications that WD Gaster in Deltarune was a therapist before whatever "incident" instead of a scientist like in Undertale. Both being doctors of different kinds, It fits with the full 'similar but different' narrative where characters present in both Undertale and Deltarune have similar occupations to their counterparts.

Because going with the theory that Gaster is the entity behind each tree, you could make the assumption that the Chapter 4 egg room was a distorted memory of some kind.

We know Kris was kind of troubled as a kid. The receptionist recognises Kris when they enter and greets them by name both in the egg room AND in the real Hometown hospital.

In the egg room, the receptionist talks about the patients waiting for Kris, the people waiting being the man behind the tree and So-Sorry the mini-boss from Undertale. Afterwards the Receptionist asks who the patient was, even after previously implying it to be Kris. This is definitely confirmation that things are not as they seem.

(I want to try connect So-Sorry's appearance to the other theory that instead of Undertale's Goners and Amalgamations, Deltarune has missing people that I think are being sacrificed to sustain the distortion of Dess as the knight - But that's just a summary and would fit better in another post.)

Anyways, having Gaster study Psychology and Sociology would be a great fit for what little we know in theory about Deltarune's version of Gaster. Assuming he is also the entity that makes the first connection, making a person with hopes and dreams and personality would better suit a version of Gaster that studied Anthropology. On the flip side, creating the Core and Determination Extractor, Working on experiments and taking Photon Readings matches with the known fact that Undertale's Gaster studied the practical sciences as the Royal Scientist.

This would also maintain the connection between the Dreemurr family and Gaster before his disappearance as Kris' Art Therapist, likely disappearing slightly before Dess. I also think there is something to be made of the Chapter 3 egg room that takes place inside a green videogame setting. the area is called "MANCOUNTRY" by one of the photocopied and coloured in Rudinn's. It ties in with the whole Art thing for one, but it also is a direct parallel to how a Rudinn in Castletown will refer to it as "[Playername]town" connecting it all back to that meta-gaming experience that makes these mysteries and theory's so interesting.

So I think that's all I have gathered in my brain so far, but there are still many many questions. Was it the same incident or two separate paralleling incidents that happened to the Gaster's? Did the two Gaster's combine consciousnesses to create one super doctor with multiple scientific doctorate's full of knowledge of both Anthropology and the Engineering Sciences? Are Deltarune and Undertale Gaster connected in universe or just meant to serve as parallels to each others stories? NOBODY KNOWWWWSSSS!! Except maybe the Deltarune team. But sometimes writing a mystery is more fulfilling if you don't have the solution in mind while writing it.

[boiledprawn99]

Did you know I'm also a writer? Sort of. Anyway here's some more Pressure thoughts:

I saw some new dialogue between Painter (P) and Sebastian (S) today. P mentions that it's been two days since the lockdown started, and that S hasn't gotten any sleep at all during it. There's more to it but I want to focus on the "two days" thing.

It makes me think about the amount of time the game actually takes place in, and the game's story itself.

(Warning: long and probably very incoherent thoughts about Pressure's in-game timeline, mechanics and lore implications.)

Pre-WTW, we knew P and S were trying to slow the EXR-P down so that they didn't get the Crystal, because S needed more time to negotiate/find a way out for both of them. But, post-WTW, as soon as we reach S's shop, we have the option to tune the radio and find out that Innovation Inc is already confirming that they're going to collect the two. I'm assuming this radio change isn't something that happens after you play for a few times, and it's a part of the story that's existed before the player first steps into the Blacksite (more or less).

Then, during the Ridge, we find P at the dock mentioned in the radio broadcast, waiting for pickup. It seems that when the Blacksite loses power and everything goes offline, that's when "skies are clear"...? I'm sure, in any other circumstance, Urbanshade would notice a foreign vessel docking at the Blacksite and grow suspicious of it, especially if they're out for S and P.

So, if S needs the optimal time to escape being in the short time when the Crystal is obtained to when the backup power comes back online, why bother trying to stop the EXR-P from getting to it in the first place? If that's when the skies are clear, why still bother trying to halt the EXR-P?

This made more sense pre-WTW, when we (the player and S) had no confirmation if Innovation Inc had picked up on S's negotiations. But, post-WTW, the timeline's been changed so that Innv has already confirmed this deal before the player even reaches S's shop (again, the radio).

But it couldn't all happen that quickly, right? S still has to gather data, negotiate, set traps and scavenge. He didn't kill one guy, set a bunch of anomalies free, and then just go right to contacting other companies.

The player is in a time loop of sorts, we know. The question is: does time progress outside of that loop? When the player dies, does everything rewind back to how it was, minus Seb's and the player's memories? Evidence: grand encounters being reset, player spawning back at the docks. Contradictory evidence: Navi remembering if you've been to the Firewall or Abomination grand encounter. Or does the player respawn without everything being reset, and time still runs normally (like, a respawning immortal being type of situation). Evidence: S mentioning he found your corpse, Navi remembering you. Contradictory evidence: dying with the Crystal sets it back to where it was (wouldn't it just be on the ground with your corpse?), data respawns back.

Of course there's things that are just for gameplay reasons. Nobody can hold that much data (all those CDs, USBs, files, tapes... where do they go?). The player spends all this time trying to win, and it's only canonically been two days, allegedly. The timeline's still fuzzy, a lot of things are based on RNG, so you could get certain dialogue in places where it may not make a lot of sense? And, of course, it is a game.

The secret third option is that it is, canonically, a game. Of some sort. Lopee has crazy amounts of control over the narritive of Pressure (seen mostly in the bad ending), and we can assume he's the one that "resets" everything when the player dies. I see some people are linking it to Deltarune, with the player and Gaster, and like, yeah, that's basically what's going on here if we take everything at face value. Pressure is literally a game, we're not pretending we're a character in some fantasy universe like SCP: CB or Control, we are a Player piloting an expendable and there is an entity in this game making sure everything goes to plan for its own amusement, or in Urbanshade's favour. There's obviously a universe outside of the "game", but right now, everything inside the Blacksite has been literally gamified. Pressure is not a story, it is a game.

So anyway even before Worth the Wait I've been wondering what Pressure would be like if it was told as an actual story with a coherent narritive and timeline. What if the protagonist (which was the player) wasn't some vessel for something else? What if they were just a person, randomly selected by Lopee to play in his game and ensure Urbanshade wins? What if they could talk and react to everything happening to them?

Anyway yeah I'm making an AU and writing a fanfic, but whatever.

[a-lilac-lyric]

I had a Deltarune dream/nightmare last night, and as they do with all Undertale and Deltarune dreams, I must tell the internet.

In the dream I was possessing Kris, but I could also feel their emotions perfectly? Or maybe it was just we were coincidentally feeling like me exact same emotions the entire duration of the dream. So anyway, in the dream Kris and Toriel, were living in a subdivision in a large house that was decorated like it came straight out of a modern furniture catalog, mostly I remember that every room had off white carpets, off white walls, gray marble counters, and black leather furniture. (Possibly Asgore and Noelle, Rudy, and Carol lived there as well, although maybe it was just that they were visiting the house so often it felt like they were living there).

Near the start of the dream Kris went outside the house at night for a walk and saw the roaring knight. They were scared when they first saw the knight, then it began to slowly follow them, with the implied possibility that it could go faster if it wanted to, it wanted to find the right time to pounce. Kris walked away slowly at first but then broke into a run back home and closed all the doors. When they tried to go to sleep they could feel that the knight was watching them through the windows (Kris didn't even have a bed in their room instead they slept on the carpet directly in a pile of blankets. Their room had a random carpeted pit in the middle of it).

Then whenever it was daytime and someone living in the house asked Kris about what they'd been doing last night or why they looked so scared, they wouldn't tell them. This kept repeating, Kris going outside, seeing the knight, going back home locking the doors, feeling like the knight was going to get into the house somehow but it didn't, not telling anyone. (At one point they saw The Angel from the amazing digital circus dressed in a Santa suit instead, but just once).

 At one point during the day a whole bunch of people came to the house with a bunch of containers of food regular food, Toriel answered the door with Kris watching, the people said that they were happily giving them the food because of what Kris had done. These people were humans and they had manic expressions on their faces. Looking at them Kris just had the thought that these people were part of the demon cult, they were giving them this food because Kris had sacrificed something to this demon. Kris did not like that they were here, Toriel was just like OK this is weird, but its also sort of sweet Kris is making friends with the neighbors, and that they're being this generous.

(The next time Kris saw the knight there was the definite implication that they sacrificed Dess to the demon and that’s why the knight was following them. Either this was Dess or the knight was something else working for the demon trying to get Kris to make another sacrifice).

Finally, Chris told Noelle there was something outside the house chasing them, she did not believe them. They also told Toriel, who was slightly concerned, but she didn't think that it was actually real. She and Noelle were going to drive to the store that evening to pick up some groceries so they said Kris could come along if they wanted. Kris was in the car with Noelle with Toriel driving, they kept constantly watching out the car windows in case the knight appeared, but it never did.

After that I woke up.

[everythingbrainrot]

"since when were you the one in control?"

you did the whole "sparing" thing. now, you wanted to bend this world to your will. you didn't just want to kill few monsters or grind for gold, you wanted to eradicate everyone.

how far can it be pushed?

"let's destroy everything in this wretched world"

you and flowey have a plan to become more and more powerful. so you kept killing. even when undyne and sans put up as much of a fight as they could. and you killed flowey, too, because why should he get to boss you around?

then, chara appears.

"let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next."

well, who are they to tell you what to do? this world is truly yours. maybe you have a perverted sentimentality, maybe you're a contrarian. you refuse.

"since when were you the one in control?"

and... your world is deleted. sure, you, the player, had power over this world that its characters could never imagine, but there's one thing that will always have power over you. the game.

it lets you go back. it's not a loophole you've found, don't think for a second you've got away with what you did. the game is letting you do this, so it can laugh in your face when you try to pretend nothing happened.

undertale is a game that wants you to know that every choice you make is a choice the game gave you. so don't get comfortable. don't act like you're the one in control.

[mofsblog]

"This is some gay shit" Good. Silly. Fair enough. Doesn't inherently invalidate other interpretations of the relationship. Honestly yeah, it is kind of gay regardless of their canonical relationship status

"There's literally no platonic explanation for th-" WRONG!! KILLING YOU WITH AMATANORMATIVITY KILLING LOBSTERS 🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞🦞

[justsalpals]

Deltarune really is a damn master class at characterizing and fleshing out a silent protagonist.

Kris is my favorite fucking character, complex and fleshed out and emotional and sympathetic and a mystery and you can just see clearly how they feel so so deeply, and they've never said a single word.

I want the world for them. I want them to have everything. My sheer presence is a bane they can never forgive.

[msmimundo]

If the red dot in weird route symbolizes the birth of a soul on Noelle, then does that imply that someone probably did the same process to Kris??

[dragon-babe]

Man I don't wanna be That Guy

but mayhaps it's in poor taste to draw fanart of drunk Toriel in a fun/lighthearted way

like I understand why you'd want to. but I personally cannot interpret that scene as anything other than heart wrenching and tragic

[mys0419]

Oohhh I just realized that if not for what happened to Jevil (including Seams descent into nihilism), they would most likely be similar to Tenna in the way he was so focused on making Kris smile again like they did in their childhood. They just can't be bothered now because to them, nothing is worth the effort. If it all sums up to nothing. They are aware of the truth of their existence, and they know an old plush like them can't make Kris smile again. They couldn't save Jevil from his fate. How could they ever save Kris from theirs?

[amburglr]

Don't worry I didn't get a computer science degree for nothing, if these kids don't get a happy ending my ass is going in and rewriting the game files until they do.

[freakish-hazzard]

One of my favorite moments from chapter 4 was going back to castle town during the start. I immediately went there right after church service because I wanted to see everyone again, it had been so long and i wanted to know what everyone was up to, and hearing castle funk play, and lancer jumping on susies back and joining us while we walk around, and seeing just how lively everything is now, seeing how many guys live here now compared to how empty it all was. Just this. Unabashed joy and happiness reverberating throughout this full and lively town. It made me so emotional. It still makes me cry! Im tearing up writing this rn haha!

[buttercupart]

* there seems to have been a miscommunication

[da-janela-lateral]

"introduced as antagonists" boys who think its their responsability to defeat their megalomaniac villain dads...

Testing some new brushes!

Dark version below:

[kooki914]

Spadesgorudy shipper has returned! (I got this idea from the incorrect quote person)

Rudy, watching Asgore and Spade from afar: Two Bros, Chillin in a hot tub. Five feet apart because they think they’re not gay, BUT THEY REALLY ARE-

-

Rudy: And now for a gay update with Asgore and Spade.

Asgore: Getting gayer.

Rudy: Thank you, Asgore.

-

Asgore: Hi, sorry I’m late. I was doing a couple of things and got distracted.

Rudy: I’m “a couple of things”.

Spade: I’m “got distracted”.

(They actually did him-)

-

Rudy: Who do we know that has handcuffs?

Spade: Well Asgore and I-

Asgore: *elbows Spade*

Spade: ...wouldn't know.

-

Asgore: Why do you let me win when we race up the stairs? You’re the faster one.

Rudy: Erm... it’s nice see your smile when you win!

*later*

Asgore: He’s probably just staring at my ass, isn’t he?

Spade: Yeah, probably.

-

Asgore, laying between spade and Rudy: I have found the meaning of life

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— ♠️🌸❄️

I'm sorry it took 12 billion years for me to get back to answering asks please accept my humble spadesgorudy donations

[autumnoakes]

okay i was highkey using a guide to get the shadow mantle but i was supposed to meet toriel at some point in the last minigame before the boss fight.

but because i'm doing snowgrave, i met tenna, who talked about spamton (i don't know what toriel talks about, if anything). and i watched an animation just now on that scene after the normal spamton neo fight (where susie and ralsei notice how shaken kris appears by the fight) and realized that..... spamton, in a way, is a sort of reflection of kris. something happened to him that changed him, likely having to do with the roaring knight. tenna talks about this a LOT, in this cutscene in particular. he talks about how spamton took a call one day and how spamton disappeared without a word after that.

i think that seeing spamton neo, a puppet on strings acting on instinct to get to kris' soul, disturbed them so much because it was a reminder of their own situation, and it showed how powerful and dangerous their soul really is. the game makes it very clear that kris is rather hostile towards their soul. they don't like that we're in control of them and they take several opportunities to take control back. whether it be by the way they say certain dialogue choices, maliciously complying with commands, or removing the soul from their body entirely. this does also seem to be a situation that was happening before the events of chapter 1, because kris is familiar with the soul. they know how to remove it. they know how to use it to seal dark fountains. i just don't think they realized how much danger they're in because of it until they met spamton.

the reason i think spamton is a sort of reflection of kris is because i think he's also under someone else's control (potentially the knight's control). after the normal route spamton neo fight, he talks about being free because of kris, susie, and ralsei. his neo form is a puppet, being controlled by something out of sight.