#thinking about the implications for deltarune

[everythingbrainrot]

"since when were you the one in control?"

you did the whole "sparing" thing. now, you wanted to bend this world to your will. you didn't just want to kill few monsters or grind for gold, you wanted to eradicate everyone.

how far can it be pushed?

"let's destroy everything in this wretched world"

you and flowey have a plan to become more and more powerful. so you kept killing. even when undyne and sans put up as much of a fight as they could. and you killed flowey, too, because why should he get to boss you around?

then, chara appears.

"let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next."

well, who are they to tell you what to do? this world is truly yours. maybe you have a perverted sentimentality, maybe you're a contrarian. you refuse.

"since when were you the one in control?"

and... your world is deleted. sure, you, the player, had power over this world that its characters could never imagine, but there's one thing that will always have power over you. the game.

it lets you go back. it's not a loophole you've found, don't think for a second you've got away with what you did. the game is letting you do this, so it can laugh in your face when you try to pretend nothing happened.

undertale is a game that wants you to know that every choice you make is a choice the game gave you. so don't get comfortable. don't act like you're the one in control.

[havockingboo]

Its 5 am and I’m crying over him I can’t DO THIS

[da-janela-lateral]

"introduced as antagonists" boys who think its their responsability to defeat their megalomaniac villain dads...

Testing some new brushes!

Dark version below:

[buttercupart]

* there seems to have been a miscommunication

[kooki914]

Spadesgorudy shipper has returned! (I got this idea from the incorrect quote person)

Rudy, watching Asgore and Spade from afar: Two Bros, Chillin in a hot tub. Five feet apart because they think they’re not gay, BUT THEY REALLY ARE-

-

Rudy: And now for a gay update with Asgore and Spade.

Asgore: Getting gayer.

Rudy: Thank you, Asgore.

-

Asgore: Hi, sorry I’m late. I was doing a couple of things and got distracted.

Rudy: I’m “a couple of things”.

Spade: I’m “got distracted”.

(They actually did him-)

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Rudy: Who do we know that has handcuffs?

Spade: Well Asgore and I-

Asgore: *elbows Spade*

Spade: ...wouldn't know.

-

Asgore: Why do you let me win when we race up the stairs? You’re the faster one.

Rudy: Erm... it’s nice see your smile when you win!

*later*

Asgore: He’s probably just staring at my ass, isn’t he?

Spade: Yeah, probably.

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Asgore, laying between spade and Rudy: I have found the meaning of life

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— ♠️🌸❄️

I'm sorry it took 12 billion years for me to get back to answering asks please accept my humble spadesgorudy donations

[codexbrainhasbrokenfreee]

The more he tries to explain the less comprehensible it gets

[eggrolls-and-fandoms]

Anyone else think about how Susie said that nothing she ate in the dark world seemed to satiate her hunger. Because I do.

[corvidquartz]

Has Anyone Else Thought About This? (A Realization About Ralsei Deltarune)

(TW For Dark Implications & Potential Self Harm)

[star-felled]

every time i see someone bashing kralsei its so insane like. what kinda reading comp

most importantly toby just would not write so many Obvious Ship Moments between them if rals was meant to represent asriel. like he has just never done something like that ever why would he start now hes normal

and then theres ppl arguing that kris doesnt like ralsei when thats just ..... not true ,?? there r several moments in the narration when kris acknowledges ralsei in an affectionate way (ie when you hug the dummy out of view / their reaction at the save point after you head off without ralsei or susie). and then theres the implication that all the choices given are all things that kris would consider saying, whilst the player is the one making the final decision for them

theres the concerns abt consent n shit and thats definitely worth exploring in ship analysis/art/writing. but not every portrayal of them has to focus on that ppl r fully allowed to just go "hehe cute :)" and leave it at that its not that deep

[patchwork-crow-writes]

20 - Destined

N.b - this piece forms a pair with "Doomed". While both can be read standalone, it's recommended to read them together, one after the other.

I hope that I am pleasing to you, my dearest. I hope that one day, you will sit by me and bare your heart and soul to me. I hope that you will accept me as your destiny, just as I have accepted you.

...it doesn't have to be today, or tomorrow. But, maybe someday, you will feel comfortable enough. And here I will be, waiting for you to meet me at the end of our long and winding road together.

Can you not see it, my love? It's written in the very fabric of our world. As a servant of prophecy, I see the path laid out for us, shining gold with promise of a happily ever after. Its brilliance blinds me, and I sometimes wonder just how it is that you cannot see such a thing.

...perhaps it doesn't matter, though. There's a greater force at play here, far more powerful than you or I. I see how its playful hand guides you, influences your decisions, pushes you gently towards your wonderful future with me.

...and yes, I can see that you... aren't quite there yet. But patience, my dear - for ours is a long and arduous journey, and you may yet come to see the happiness that is waiting for you at its terminus. All you have to do is ask, and I shall gladly take you by the hand and guide you along your way. Nothing shall give me greater pleasure, I assure you!

...and yes, you... you are free to choose, ultimately. But you may find, as I have, that destiny isn't so easily thwarted. I urge you to consider that, if nothing else, it would be... easier for you to accept things as they are. But… if you do decide to resent me for this, to curse my name and shun me… then I will accept this too. Above all things, I am your servant. It is not the future I wish for you, but I will respect your decision... as futile as it might be.

Whatever happens, know this: I will do my utmost to make you happy, to do right by you, to make you feel wanted and loved. It's... what I was made for, after all. So please, please, don't despair, my precious one.

This is all for the best. I'm certain you'll realise that, one day.

______________________________

The Dark Menagerie No. 20

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[ecothroat]

i was originally going to say that, while spamton is clearly a kris parallel, jevil is too. but… not really? they’re both trapped— kris in their possession, jevil in his “freedom”— but that’s really it.

and then i thought about how jevil knows we’re in a video game, is happy to just play it without real consequences, and therefore can be interpreted as bloodthirsty and cruel by the other characters, when it looks like he really just wants entertainment.

and. isn’t that familiar?

[electrobiology]

also i want to say this probably has no basis in canon i can't remember all of the gaster lore off the top of my head. but i was thinking recently the idea of gaster's mistake in the undertale universe subsequently dooming all alternate versions of himself so they too fall to some horrible fate too early (even if they're of course not all Falling Into The Core)... love it personally

[carlyraejepsans]

as a sans is from Deltarune truther what do you think about the. implications of papyrus remembering green grass pre snowdin times

well, my engines are whirring and roaring like a sports car in the hands of a cucked mid-life crisis ridden 50 year old, as you might imagine. I've heard some folks interpret it as him referring to the patch of grass from the papyrus' cool song kickstarter promo, but he explicitly mentions that song earlier in the q&a and sans doesn't cut him off to prevent him from answering the question like he does in the final one. so yeah. I think that green grass is not UT native grass, HAHAHA.

i think the q&a pretty much seals it for me that wherever they came from, sans and papyrus came from there together (how else would sans be able to finish the question for him) which. WOOH. weight off of my chest, honestly. i was getting worried, what with the possibility of them being biologically different and papyrus not being included in sans' lore/character arc about moving on.

... actually, that is another matter that the q&a has opened up.

answering "what was your life before you moved" with "there was green grass" is... a weird choice of words. of course, the obvious doylistic explanation for it is that toby wanted to drop a hint without spoiling anything more, and the result sounded a bit clunky in its execution. but if there IS a watsonian, in-universe explanation for that weirdness, i wonder if he might be struggling to remember his past? because sans is obviously still homesick and misses his old friends, he tried to go back for a very long time (boy did he try) before giving up, and he has grieved his old life for a WHILE. papyrus doesn't really have anything similar in his character arc. he's lonely, yes, but he doesn't really miss anyone. and those few times when he does hint to the past, it's always related to sans. specifically, I'm thinking of the winter alarm clock where he literally can't remember the last time sans got to celebrate the holidays with a lot of friends (friends we know for a fact he had, and that he misses. a lot.)

sooo...... question mark??? it could be that papyrus doesn't remember something of their past that sans does, or it could be just a weird choice of words on Toby's end. I'm especially intrigued by sans shutting the question down. i wonder what his deal is.

[strawberrus0da]

I was thinking abt snowgrave since most people imagine the soul in deltarune being incredibly cold or gleefully murderous abt it but most ppl would probably feel more guilty about it than anything which kinda makes it more fucked up from a narrative standpoint

Like imagine Kris being possessed, and the thing possessing them does progressively more fucked up things in chapter 2 and imagine them knowing what the player was thinking during that. Kris hears the soul repeatedly apologize as they have Noelle freeze everyone and constantly select proceed, they feel the progressive horror that the soul has towards the route and everything they’re doing to Noelle and think “Why the hell are you doing it then.”

Kris sees Noelle kill Berdly and the soul goes “holy shit that’s fucked up” and they’re like you literally made her do it what the fuck

There’s so many more messed up implications about a thing possessing your body and manipulating your friend into killing everyone (including her friend) and realizing it’s not doing it with glee or detachment but guilt and horror and morbid fascination.

[copwef]

Undertale Alphys theory

HOLY CRAP I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING!!!

Everyone always points to the code in undertale for evidence about gaster.

(ex: the placeholder quote that directly describes the mystery man sprite)

But to my knowledge NO ONE and I mean

No one

To my knowledge ever references one well known main undertale character who also has a message in the code of undertale.

Alphys....

At the bottom of this screenshot there is a message that you see if you attempt to look in undertales files to find out who alphys crush is...

Not a lot of people mention this quote and when they do they write it off as a joke.

BUT THINK ABOUT THE WHAT THIS QUOTE IMPLIES!!

The text says "WHO I HAVE A CRUSH ON" meaning it is confirmed that Alphys is the one writing this message.

To my knowledge their is no other MAIN characters leaving messages in undertales code besides Alphys and gaster.

(and possible Chara but I may be thinking about something found in deltarunes code and I don't think toby fox's message about spoilers has any lore implications)

However entry 17 is only a part of a conversation that Gaster was having while talking to Two other people. It is not gaster directly acknowledging the player like he does in deltarune.

ALPHYS IS TALKING DIRECTLY TO THE PLAYER/DATA MINER LOOKING IN UNDERTALES CODE!

The only other person to directly talk to the player is Chara in the genocide route. Which implies Alphys knows quite a lot more than we thought she did.

It also strengthens the theory that she may have something to do with Gaster. And it is commonly assumed that Gaster has a connection with sans in some way.

AND WE KNOW FOR A FACT ALPHYS AND SANS ARE CONNECTED!

Sans has a quantum physics book and both he and papyrus have weird abilities/knowledge....

Alphys is a science and is capable of somehow leaving messages in undertales code

"what do you two think"

"You two"...

Alphys and sans...

With this new information to consider alphys and sans are truly the most qualified candidates.

Maybe this means alphys will have a Massive role in a future chapter of deltarune.

Time will tell....

If you have any information to bring to the table to support or debunk this theory, please do leave a comment or reblog. If I find something else I'll make an update post.

[chacochilla]

Ramble about Uncommon Undertale Pairings

Not romantic pairings

Toriel and Papyrus:

To sum up what their relationship would be like, I think they'd both be like, the responsible parents to Frisk, until Toriel makes a bad pun, to which Papyrus would sigh that Sans is rubbing off on her, or that he just expected better, in a light hearted manner of course

From this old qna we can see that she packs him lunch, so I think she would be a little motherly towards him. Not really in a patronizing manner, just nice gestures, making sure he ate. And I think Papyrus would appreciate someone who's more put together compared to Sans, who keeps to schedules, cleans up after themselves.

Toriel and Undyne:

I think the only time the two interact (outside of the neutral endings) is when Toriel offers to help Undyne cook.

I think their relationship would be best summarized as, Undyne wanting to do wild shit, and Toriel keeping her from going overboard. To use cooking as an example, I think Toriel would let Undyne like, do her usual destroying the ingredients and using way too much heat, but she'd lend a hand to keep her from burning the house down and to teach her how to make edible food

Toriel and Alphys:

I think their relationship would be best summarized as, Alphys is into a lot of stuff that Toriel doesn't entirely understand (mostly anime and the internet), but Toriel makes the effort to try and get into that stuff for her. So I can see the two watching a show and Toriel asking a lot questions while Alphys info dumps explanations. And I think Toriel, even when she has no idea what's going on, would still enjoy herself and like hanging out with her

The two are co workers in Deltarune, so a little bit of the same deal there, though Toriel would be more in her element there while Alphys seems like she's still struggling to like, get her students' respect. I could see Alphys struggling to keep the students from going wild on some occassions, then Toriel comes in and everyone instantly shuts up, which Alphys would appreciate

Also the two interacted in the alarm clock app. She got drunk and started to try getting Alphys to sing with her:

It's such a funny image lmao. But ye I think that like, in those moments when Toriel gets drunk and betrays her usual serious no nonesense mom facade, it results in fun antics where she tries to get Alphys to break out of her shell a little

Sans and Undyne:

I'm pretty sure the only time these two interacted in game was when Undyne talks about how lazy and unreliable he is. I think their relationship would be pretty similar to Papyrus and Sans honestly, with Undyne getting on Sans' case while Sans just shrugs and takes a nap

A difference I could see being highlighted is that Undyne is a lot more gross than Papyrus. Like I can see Sans chugging a big thing of ketchup and Undyne like, cheering him on lol, wanting to see how much he could stomach before he throws up.

I can't really see the two ever becoming very close though. The biggest things Undyne appreciates are fighting and passion. Sans barely ever fights or shows initiative, and his lack of of passion is a pretty defining character trait for him. Honestly Undyne might like, hate the fact Sans doesn't take a lot of things seriously. With her having a high sense of honor, so much so she wants a fair fight with a human she knows is much stronger than her, meanwhile Sans fights dirty and uses every cheat to his advantage. And on a smaller scale, they played hockey in complete oppositte ways, with Sans just fucking around with Toriel and helping out Papyrus despite being on opposite teams, and Undyne taking the game deadly seriously.

Sans and Alphys:

There's an implication that these two are buds, but we don't get that many interactions between the two. From what I gather, the two have a pretty good understanding of each other, being able to guess each others' sentences after the Asriel fight, having a mutual high understanding of modern internet humor as shown in the alarm clock app. Also in the Queen Alphys ending, the two seem to be each others' closest friends, forming a mutual support system. Both lost people they care for deeply, both are in over their heads ruling over the underground, but they're helping each other through this.

I like this portrayal of like, how Sans and Alphys would watch anime together. Sand trying to keep up with the show and the lore and Alphys' enthusiasm, but not really letting it show

And also this portrayal of Queen Alphys. Both made it to the surface. They've gone through so much shit together, lost so many people, but they're finally here, looking over a beautiful sunrise. But their reaction is like, so mundane and ordinary. Just wanting to go to Ihop. It shows how like, they're both just some guy. Neither wanted to be the savior of monsterkind. Neither has any grand statement about what this all means. Sans is just some shlubby guardsman who knew too much, and Alphys was just a scientist whose experiments got out of hand.

Oh also they're both scientists. Alphys likely tried to help Sans fix whatever was in his basement and Sans likely knows about the amalgams and helps bring Alphys dogfood for them. Both know each others traumas and backstories more than anyone else

Sans and Asgore:

I think the only time these two really interacted was when Asgore went to Sans' comedy gig and laughed so hard Sans couldn't tell any other jokes for the time he had. Oh also eggs husband

So I guess their friendship could be very joke oriented. Unlike Toriel though, Asgore doesn't seem to have the joke making down, a lot of his attempts being seen as awkward, either because of the joke itself being unintentionally bad, or just the context surrounding it. So I think if they were a duo, Sans would more be a straightman to Asgore being a little oafy in his attempts at comedy or social misunderstandings

In more serious contexts, both seem to know more than most regarding humans. With Asgore there's his ability to destroy the mercy button, implication that he knows about saves and loads, and just the fact he forced 6 humans to quit. And with Sans he also fucks with the UI a lot and knows the underground is in a time loop. I could see a scene where the two talk to each other, putting together what ever fragments of information they have, and just, confiding in a person who knows about this stuff. Sans probably wouldn't be that open to really open up about how depressed he is, but still

(Going into theory territory a little with this last bit, mostly speculating about Sans' past.)

They also both deal with loss, Sans with whatever friends he left behind (lost soul dialogue, photo album in his lab, Gaster maybe) and Asgore with his kids and then Toriel. Sans seems to have gotten over this by True Pacifist, as signified by his covering the photo of his old friends with a picture of the new friends he made and him seeming content in the alarm clock dialogue. However this is after a period where he seems to very much have wanted to go back (lost soul dialogue, mention during his fight, some tweet Toby made), desperately trying to fix the machine in his lab, but failing

Asgore on the other hand has not moved on. He spent however long since Chara's death in a war spurned on by his grief. When you kill him, he talks about how all he wants is to go back to before his kids died. And when Toriel comes back in his life, he very much wants to patch things up with her. In Deltarune he's a clingy ex that really seems to want to get back together with her

So maybe if the two become friends, Sans can give him someone to confide in about losing people (aside from Toriel). Again Sans isn't a very open person so like, this isn't something that would immediately happen, if ever. But it's a thought

Papyrus and Alphys:

Post about how these two are pretty similar in a lot of ways

I believe the only time Papyrus talks about Alphys is when he mentions the colored tile puzzle was created by her. In a phonecall in that room, he mentions that the two are barely acquaintances, but that he'd like to get to know her

They'd probably be able to bond over a mutual love of puzzles, with Alphys helping Papyrus build wild contraptions

Also as seen at the end of the Alphys date, Papyrus would be great at encouraging Alphys to like herself more and to take better care of herself. As someone who's still working on reaching the goal of becoming great, I could see the two forming a, "We can both become great, together!" sort of pair

Undyne and Asgore:

This also isn't that uncommon a pairing but like, fucking stop me from putting it on this list

Their dynamic is very endearing lol, like take this bit from the old qna. Asgore earnestly tries to help Undyne with her weird youtube channel, not really getting this new technology or social media, while Undyne is super enthusiastic about the whole thing. I think like, that'd be pretty emblematic of their relationship. Them getting into wacky misunderstandings because Undyne loves jumping into shit and giving it her all, while Asgore is too earnest for his own good and is a little out of his element on the surface. The 'You don't have to apologize' exchange after the Asriel fight is another good example of that

Oh also I like thinking that their relationship would be pretty similar to that of Zuko and Iroh. With Asgore being Undyne's goofy father figure, who did a lot of terrible shit in his past, but also has a lot of sagely advice and wants to set Undyne on the right path. Though that 'setting her on the right path' arc was already over by the time Frisk fell, as Undyne already learned to like, stop beating up random people lol. So it'd probably be similar to Zuko after the show. That said, I think showing Undyne when she was younger and when she was still kinda troubled could be good au fuel, as would showing a bit more of Asgore being a mentor figure to Undyne

I also wanted to talk about what Asgore's friendship with Alphys or Papyrus would be like but I couldn't think of anything lol

Might make another one of these about the ghosts and dead kids