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Bulleid's Proposed Locomotives
So it turns out Bulleid had so many of his designs dropped for one reason or another, and since I can't stick with a single project for more than a few seconds, I wrote up histories for all of them!
Enjoy the ramblings of a madman who spent a good long while finding free number slots for them.
Southern Railway Warship Class
The Southern Railway was the most financially successful of the "Big Four", but this was largely based on investment in suburban and main line electrification. After the successful introduction of the SR Schools class in 1930, the railway had lagged behind the others in terms of modernizing its aging fleet of steam locomotives, as they were more focused on Electrification. Following the retirement of the general manager of the Southern Railway Sir Herbert Walker and Richard Maunsell the Chief Mechanical Engineer (CME) in 1937, their successors considered that the time had come to change this situation. In March 1938 the new general manager Gilbert Szlumper authorized Oliver Bulleid, Maunsell's replacement, to prepare designs for twenty express passenger locomotives. The deteriorating international situation prior to the Second World War was an additional factor in this decision.
Originally, Bulleid had wanted a 4-8-2 Mountain Type, but the Civil Engineering department had resisted this based on size and weight, so a 2-8-2 was chosen instead. Bulleid had worked with Gresley on his P2 2-8-2 express engines, so he already had some background knowledge, especially with the P2’s problems and ideas on how to solve them. Of course, due to the war, they were classified as heavy mixed-traffic engines to get around wartime regulations.
They were built with high-pressure 280 PSI boilers and three 18inx26in cylinders, as well as being the first engines to use Bulleid’s chain-driven valve gear, though the middle cylinder had to be inclined steeply to clear the first driven axle. The boiler was partly welded to save on cost, and the inner firebox was made of steel. The Southern had no facilities to build these boilers, so it was subcontracted to the North British Locomotive Co., as well as Beyer Peacock. They were also fitted with Bulleid’s Air-Smooth Casing. Unlike later designs that utilized this, the casing on the Warships both served their function purpose as labor saving as well as being able to be passed off as some sort of streamlining. How Bulleid got that one through during the war is a mystery! The Warship’s were also the first to use Bulleid’s Firth-Brown Wheels.
10 of these engines were constructed in 1940. More were set to be produced, but once again, the Civil Engineering Department expressed their discomfort at such a large engine running at high speeds with only a single pony-truck in front, despite other engines of a similar design getting on fine elsewhere. This would lead Bulleid to designing and building 30 of his well-known Merchant Navy Class 4-6-2s.
They were named after Warships as a way to increase morale, with 11D1 being officially named “Dreadnought” in April 1940. They performed well in service, hauling heavy passenger and express goods, though the Chain-Driven valve gear was sensitive and required high maintenance, as well as the oil-bath having leaking problems, contributing to wheel-slips(Though the extra wheel helped negate this as well). The casing, while it did save on labor during cleaning, and the more streamlined appearance helped with publicity, it made maintenance hard to carry out. Surprisingly, thanks to their different front ends, they never really experienced drifting smoke like Bulleid’s Pacifics.
All 10 of the engines would be passed into British Railways, numbered 37001-37010, where their duties mostly stayed the same. 11D8 “Black Charles'' took part in the 1948 locomotive exchange trials, where it was compared to LMS Duchess pacifics and LNER A4’s and A2/2s, where it performed favorably, though the chain driven valve gear and its oil bath still caused headaches. After the Crewkerne incident, BR chose a rebuilding program of any engines that still used Bulleid’s Chain Driven motion, however, as the Warships had required far less modifications that the Pacifics, they were on the bottom of the list in the rebuilding program. In the end, only 37003 “Triumph”, 37009 “Warspite”, and 37010 “Exeter” were rebuilt in 1956, 1957, and 1959.
Despite their status as a class with very few engines, all ten would survive until the end of southern steam, going between 1965-1966.
Two are preserved, both being rescued from Barry Scrapyard in Wales. These examples are Class Pioneer 11D1 “Dreadnought”, as well as 11D3 “Triumph”.
Stats
Power Classification - 8MT
Built - 1940 to 1941
Boiler Pressure - 280 PSI
Cylinders (3) - 18in x 26in
Wheels (Driven) - 6ft 2in
Wheels (Leading) - 3ft 1in
Wheels (Trailing) - 3ft 7in
Wheels (Tender) 3ft 7in
Tractive Effort - 40,640 lbf
Total Length - 74ft 8in
Fleet
11D1 (37001) - Dreadnought
11D2 (37002) - Anson
11D3 (37003) - Triumph
11D4 (37004) - Vanguard
11D5 (37005) - Ark Royal
11D6 (37006) - Audacity
11D7 (37007) - Valiant
11D8 (37008) - Black Charles
11D9 (37009) - Warspite
11D10 (37010) - Exeter
Southern Railway Prototype Light Pacific
(Pic by Sttophat on twitter)
In 1941, Bulleid had introduced his Warship Mikado's and Merchant Navy Pacific's to become the main motive power for the Southern Railway’s Express passenger trains, though while they performed well, they were restricted by their weight, especially since the condition of the rails were hampered by the Second World War. Initially, trains on the lighter sections were handled by the Q1 0-6-0 freight engines and other, older engines, but they couldn’t handle the faster trains that were anticipated after the war. There was also the planned electrification of certain areas after the war, so the new design also needed to handle freight traffic as well, fast enough to not impede electric services.
What was decided on in the end was a downsized version of the Merchant Navy’s, fitted with the same design theory of the Q1’s to create a “Light Pacific”. The Locomotive was completed in 1942 alongside the Q1’s, and was trialed for a short time before entering service. It was deemed a success, and numbered 21C201. It was powerful enough to handle fast, heavy trains, as well as having an extremely light axle loading for a pacific at 16.5 Tons, enabling it to be used on almost every part of the UK Network as a whole. However, Bulleid decided to go with a different approach, creating simply a downsized Merchant Navy with no Q1 elements. This would increase the axle load, though this wasn’t much of an issue, as the Battle of Britain and West Country Class Light Pacifics still had a high enough route availability for the work they were assigned. Thus, the “Q1 Light Pacific'' would remain a one-off.
During the war, No.21C201 would actually travel a fair amount, and would regularly venture out of Southern territory, its light axle-load coming in handy. After the war however, it would mostly stay in the South. Performance-wise, it seemed to inherit all of the good qualities from the Q1’s and the pacific’s. The light-weight was already a plus, coupled with a great, free-steaming boiler and additions that made the driver and fireman’s life easier. However, it also inherited the bad aspects as well. The chain-driven valve gear was a well-known headache on bulleid locomotives, but there was also the issue that its light-weight caused. The regular Light Pacifics had trouble starting heavy trains thanks to their weight, but No.21C201 had it worse, especially with the well-known issues with the oil bath the valve gear was situated in. The light weight would also affect braking power as well, making unfitted trains harder to stop, a trait inherited from the Q1’s.
No.21C201 (Now Renumbered 34000) was not considered for rebuilding like the other Bulleid Pacifics due to its one-off status. It would be given a general repair in 1960 before spending the rest of its life at Nine-Elms, mainly working express and semi-fast goods trains and the occasional passenger turn during peak period and summer excursions. It was withdrawn from service in 1966 and broken up at Eastleigh.
Stats
Power Classification - 6MT
Built - 1942
Wheels (Driven) - 6ft 2in
Wheels (Leading) 3ft 1in
Wheels (Trailing) - 3ft 7in
Wheels (Tender) - 3ft 7in
Boiler Pressure - 250 psi
Cylinders (3) - 16.5in x 24in
Tractive Effort - 28,145lbf
Total Built - 1
Southern Railway L1 Class

Bulleid designed these locomotives during the Second World War, but construction didn’t begin until 1946. They shared many components with Bulleid’s Q1 0-6-0 goods engines, and were essentially the Q1’s with an Air-Smoothed Casing and a bigger boiler (though the firebox was identical with that of a Q1’s).
Twelve of these engines would be constructed between 1946 and 1948, with the final 3 being built by British Railways. They were originally numbered 22C1 to 22C12, though they were renumbered in 1949 to 36101 to 36112. They were originally meant for short distance goods and passenger services, though they never really found their footing in this role. The passenger trains that usually necessitated big tank engines were already being handled by electric engines, and everything else usually required smaller and lighter engines, which meant that, despite inheriting the power and efficiency of the Q1, the added weight and size meant that they were barred from where they could be most effective. The goods work they were meant for were also in the care of both Q1’s and Maunsell’s Q Class, as well as the many N class moguls already in service. In the end they spent their time hopping from shed-to-shed before settling on ex-LSWR territory, and even venturing into Western Region territory.
They were withdrawn between 1962-1964. Only one survives, 22C9 (36109) on the Bluebell Railway.
Stats
Power Classification - 5F 4P
Built - 1946 to 1948
Boiler Pressure - 230 PSI
Cylinders (2) - 19in x 26in
Wheels (Driven) - 5ft 1in
Wheels (Bogies) - 3ft 1in
Tractive Effort - 30,080 lbf
Southern Railway Dock Class

After the Second World War, many of the Southern Railway’s shunters (mainly those at Southampton) inherited from pre-grouping companies were worn out and needed overhauling. As such, Bulleid opted to replace them outright with his own design of 0-6-0T, with a short wheelbase of 10 feet to enable it to negotiate the tight curves. Like many of Bulleid’s designs, he equipped it with a relatively high boiler pressure.
Six would enter service in 1946, and while a total of 18 were planned, this would never come to be, as Eastleigh works was not in a position to build new locomotives with the backlog from the war. In the end, the southern found it cheaper to purchase ex-USATC S100 dock shunters, as they fulfilled most of the requirements needed.
They were numbered C201 to C206, and were renumbered to 30071 to 30076 in British Railways days. The first, 30071, was built with the Idaglass boiler lagging and casing as used in the Q1 class, while the other 5 were built with conventional boiler lagging and tanks. 30071 would be rebuilt like the others in 1953.
The class would lead uninteresting lives as dock shunters in Southampton and Dover until their withdrawal between 1961-1962. One was initially purchased for preservation but the deal fell through. None are preserved.
Stats
Power Classification - 3F
Built - 1946
Boiler Pressure - 220 PSI
Cylinders (2) - 16in x 24in
Wheels (Driven) - 4ft 6in
Tractive Effort - 21,276 lbf
#oliver bulleid#what-if engines#train#I have way more of these if you guys want to see them#or maybe I'll just do it anyways lol
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you’re just like the rest of them
#thomas the tank engine#thomas and friends#ttte gordon#ttte henry#’s skeleton#3x4#casa tidmouth#senjart#kind of a follow up piece to the one before this#tfw you have complicated feelings towards your estranged old friend and him d*ing and coming back to life is NOT helping 😂😂😂#I dunno where I was going with this honestly… pure experimental#this casa tidmouth stuff is crazy. what kind of ttte have y’all been watching 😂😂😂
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Danny wakes up in a cage in the Batcave as a human and thinks to himself “well that’s not a good sign.”
Big bad bat encountered him in the caves near the Batcave by finding him half dunked in the Lazarus pits under Gotham during a routine check. He put the boy in a cage as a precaution, but was otherwise planning on investigating then returning him to his rightful place.
Danny does not know that.
He proceeds to search his pockets (phase his hand into his body disguised as reaching into his pockets) and pulls out a tool kit, systematically disassembles, exits, then reassembles the cage.
And walks out.
Now the bats are hunting the streets for this engineering escape artist while Danny is just hanging out at a newsstand reading up on the universe Clockwork had sent him to check out.
"Woah! What happened here?" Duke gasps from the staircase. He is wearing his school uniform, but upon checking his backpack, he realizes his chemistry textbook is missing, likely somewhere in the Batcave after his latest monitor duty.
He had been multitasking by shooting out questions to the rest of the bats as they patrolled. Due to an injured wrist, Duke had been benched from his regular day shift (Jason offered to cover for him), and watching screens had been the only way Bruce had been willing to let him participate.
That quickly became boring, however, since Oracle was much faster than he was, and Duke had a tough time focusing on screens. He's never been one to enjoy too much screen time - he didn't have the attention span for it.
This meant that Duke had not been in the cave for the past three nights, after he struck a deal with Bruce to let him catch up on some much-needed rest instead, provided he could continue his civilian work during the day.
Imagine his surprise to find the Batcave in disarray, with almost everything taken apart, piece by piece, including the Batcomputer and the dinosaur. Bruce, Damian, Dick, Jason, Tim, and Cass were currently attempting to gather the pieces and reassemble everything, which seemed hard given all the little pieces that had shattered about.
"Some kid with a screwdriver," Jason grunted, holding up various nails towards the light. In front of the anti-hero were five distinct piles of nails and bolts, each separated by type and size, which he carefully sorted from a large bucket.
"What?"
Tim looked up from a mountain of wires, some of which were dropped over his shoulders, around his head, and a few were entangled with his leg, as he tried to untangle everything. He looked as crazed as he did the year he decided he was going to put up all the Christmas lights by himself, only to realize how large Wayne Manor really was. "Two nights ago, we found a civilian unconscious in cave sector T-Y13. He was practically radioactive with Lazarus pits water, so Bruce had the bright idea to put him in a cage as a precaution. The civillain woke up while Bruce was away so he couldn't explain that he was not kidnapped, realized he was in a cage, and deassimbled it with a tool set he pulled from his ass-"
"Tim. Laugauge" Dick scolds, leanign over metal tubes to cover Damian's ears. The twelve-year-old huffs, but doesn't shake off Dick's hands as he stares at a different buckets of lightbults, sorting them like Jason was doing to the nails.
It was a little darker than what Duke was used to.
"-And then, he decided to reassemble the cage once he was out." Tim continued as if he weren't interrupted, nodding his head to the only part of the cave that looked normal. The contamination unit seemed to shine in the untouched spotlights. "Then the civilian had the bright idea to take apart everything in the cave. He systematically disassembled everything and mixed up the pieces. The only things he left alone were the railings!"
"It's pretty impressive," Bruce praises. He was checking over technology boards with a critical eye. A headlight strapped to his forehead shines brightly on the pieces as he smiles. "I wonder where he is now."
"If he has any brains, he's probably applying for a position with a pit crew in NASCAR," Cass laughs, picking up different boards of metal. "He took the whole place apart in less than twenty minutes."
"He even got the Batpens" Dick sighs. "Why was he so passive-aggressive about pulling out the pen's springs?"
"If I woke up in a cage, after unfair imprisonment, I would also cause my captors as much grief as possible," Damain comments casually. "We are lucky he decided to leave nothing harmful behind."
"He just took everything else!" Steph's voice calls out from a dark patch of the cave. Duke knows it's in the direction of the showers and the changing room. "Does anyone see any shower heads over there? The kid took them off every shower!
"I have one!" Cass calls back, holding up an item in her hand. "Are any pipes missing? There are five long metal cylinders that I can't figure out what they are for."
"No, he left the pipes along, but I think he took the mirrors and the door."
"Which door?" Bruce yells back. There is a moment of silence before Steph replies.
"All of them! "
"Of course. That's what these ones are for." Jason says in an Ah-ha voice, holding up a few black bolts. "They're the ones from the shower heads!"
Duke stares, then sighs. He lets his backpack slide off his shoulders, landing on the stairs with a thump. Looks like he's calling in sick to school again.
Rolling up his sleeves, he moves over to Cass and helps her lift the long cylinders she had mentioned. "Do we know anything about this civilian?"
"Before he took the Batcomputer apart, we were able to get that he wasn't in any of the local government records. He isn't from Gotham or this state." Bruce says while carefully placing pieces back on a large computer board with a pair of tweezers. "My guess, he's not going to be in any system, either."
"Why?"
Bruce looks up, his eyes shining. "His DNA matched eighty-five percent with Themyscira's genetic make-up. No proof of cloning either. We may just have a genius male Themysciran on our hands."
Duke didn't like how excited Bruce sounded when he made that statement. He opens his mouth to snap, "You can't adopt him, Bruce!"
It's validating that his voice wasn't the only one that said it, but that it echoed by literally everyone else in the cave. Bruce purses his lips but doesn't agree or disagree with the accusation as he turns back to his computer board.
Duke hears him mutter under his breath, but he's too far away to figure out what he said.
"How long do you think this will take us to put back together?" He asks Cass as they compare metal pieces- he's holding a triangle-looking thing that he can't figure out where it came from.
She kicks aside a circular metal slate, raising a brow at him, then nodding her head toward the left side of the cave. Duke turns to look in the direction of the third Robin, who was wiggling around.
"What are you!?" Tim screams at a blue wire, shaking it like he was strangling someone's neck. Somehow, in the time Duke looked away from him, Tim had his right arm tied to his left knee, with a red wire thread running through his shirt, and his right leg was no longer visible because the rest of the wire pile had consumed it.
"Oh, so it's going to be a few hours," Duke sighs as Cass nods sadly.
"Does anyone have any eyes on the light switches?" Dick yells out. "Damian and I almost have all the pieces to turn the lights back on."
"Oh gods -He took the lockers!" Steph screams in angst. "I had a snack stash in there!"
#dcxdpdabbles#dcxdp crossover#The engineering escape artist#dimension travel#misunderstandings#Danny haunts the narative in this one#He registers as a male Themysciran#The Bats have to reassimble the Batcave#You ever have someone mix up your lego pieces from a set? That's basically what Danny did to them#Bruce want's to adopt Danny#Tim is losing is mind#They all are
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good morning to all robotfuckers and mecha kissers and people who think lovingly about maintenance in cramped spaces
#robot fucker#look idk what to tag this one i hope it finds its people#sweaty engineer content#ellis's art
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the return of captain poppy space babies >>> the story and the engine
#doctor who#dwedit#space babies#the story and the engine#mine#i get it i too am still haunted by space babies from time to time#anyway. man imagine if they didn't film poppy's new scene with a 2005 potato and you could actually see her clearly#i'd considered giffing the credits too so you could see that it is poppy (and the same actress) but i'm too lazy#anyway this episode hit me with at least like 3 rumors/spoilers that i didn't expect to materialize in the ways they did#absolutely no idea what to expect from the next episode at this point
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This took me forever but finally I can get a lil ref lineup of all of them haha I had a fun time trying to pin down their body shapes! I took sooome liberties but I tried to stay on model (their models are... surprisingly way more lean than in memory) And we can't forget administration:
#tf2#team fortress 2#tf2 soldier#tf2 pyro#tf2 scout#tf2 engineer#tf2 demoman#tf2 heavy#tf2 sniper#tf2 spy#tf2 medic#tf2 administrator#miss pauling#my god#so many characters#yknow what for more torture next time ill draw every tf2 woman lol#this is so i can reference my own art lol see how I drew someone#I feel like I struggle with consistency
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I sometimes just imagine the first time Phantom is introduced to the league as like, a fellow big league hero. As someone who works with Justice League Dark and took down the Ecto Acts with his own team and allies to be included under the meta acts like aliens. He knows Constantine and Zatanna and is a pretty common name in the magical community now even if usually as his human form "just Danny".
And suddenly he is surrounded by these "big time heroes" and aliens and champions and most would assume he'd be overwhelmed or in awe. Maybe nervous, or weirdly fixated on being in space.
But here's the kicker- Danny is dead. Technically part of the category ecto-entity, ghost, and thus belonging to the Infinite Realms. He has met a vast variety of characters who are far more chaotic and legendary than these people who have so much interpersonal drama it looks like one of the soap operas Tucker refuses to admit he watches. Wonder Woman? Danny has lunch with Pandora and visits the Greek sections of the realms when he needs to research old prophecies. Superman? Kryptonite is like rock candy and the dead of Krypton are either very sweet or very condescending and Danny has seen both in the Boy Scout. The less said about the Green Lanterns the better. The Flash family are entertaining but also headache inducing because Danny has heard the complaints about the timeline. Half a dozen other heroes and vigilantes have their own dramas that Danny could pick apart at the source for the many issues that started said drama, and that's not even beginning on the issues with Batman and the weird galley of children he has who are sometimes even worse than the dark knight himself.
Meanwhile the League find themselves growing more concerned and horrified the more Phantom manages to reference his adventures and rather stressful start as a vigilante. Constantine hasn't been more entertained in years.
#dpxdc#fic ideas#danny phantom#dc comics#a what if danny met the justice league after being a well settled hero#honestly phantom doesnt do much outside the realms anymore its just danny bopping around#he specializes in biochem and engineering but also the ✨️ occult ✨️#but danny drops such feral lore that a lot of the league is worried and batfam are this close to adoption#meanwhile jl dark have been dealing with danny for years and enjoy laughing at them all#as much as this started as a danny is unimpressed by the league#it swiftly turned into a “the league is traumatized by danny”
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DPxDC Idea
Danny working at Wayne Enterprises as some sort of engineer, uses the in-house app for all his blueprints and stuff
He starts getting notes from a coworker in-app, and assumes its this annoying older guy in his department who constantly undermines him because of his age, despite his education and past achievements (i feel like in this AU the Fentons react well to the reveal and they work together on a number of non-lethal ecto inventions that have Danny's name attached to them)
Except one day his coworker mentions never using the app, and Danny suddenly realizes there's only one other TD he could've been arguing with in the notes of the app
#dp x dc prompt#dpxdc#danny phantom#danny fenton#batman#tim drake#red robin#i have no ideas what happens beyond danny realizing it's been tim the whole time#and having a 'fuck ive been arguing with the big boss' moment#cause of course when he thinks its some asshole from his own department hes snarky as hell#but the ceo??#should he stop with the sarcastic explanations behind his designs?#or will tim think its weird if his tone changes#in my head this does end up being dead tired somehow#just because i love the idea of these two bonding over snarkiness and engineering#and i feel like tim would simultaneously love and hate danny's notes#but also is that actually in character? cause the only batman thing i've read is rhe webtoon#and i know some vague things about canon#but thats it#haven's writing
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original by olepatrick1053
okay lovers of the machine how are we feeling
#video#asked him a few questions and he said on this model he worked from the outside in and made up the mechanisms as he went#no background in engineering just pinterest and youtube for references#what beauuuuuutiful work though like wowwwwww wowowowowowowowowowowowow#i'm posting it here for the robotlovers. but for me it just is about the workings of it all. wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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i’m literally shaking buy them brown contacts pls
#team fortress 2#tf2#tf2 demoman#tf2 scout#tf2 soldier#tf2 heavy#tf2 engineer#tf2 medic#tf2 sniper#tf2 spy#no pyro unfortunately :( we dont know what their eyes look like but they Better not be Blue.#why do they all have blue eyes they’re so scary#era.png#ok i’ll actually work on requests after this i just needed to get this image out of my system#scopo#scopophobia#eye contact#id in alt text#more than 5 notes! impressive
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#fifteenth doctor#belinda chandra#first doctor#susan foreman#doctor who#dw#dwedit#dw spoilers#doctor who spoilers#the story & the engine#flashing gif#*#to be clear they don't use the audio from dalek invasion of earth in the new ep but that's clearly what's on the screen.
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Well, for no actual reason, tf2 × Alice in Wonderland AU!!
also this ans this🤏
#tf2#team fortress 2#tf2 scout#tf2 soldier#tf2 pyro#tf2 demoman#tf2 heavy#tf2 engineer#tf2 medic#tf2 sniper#tf2 spy#tf2 scouts ma#tf2 miss pauling#does it need a title#and what title#wonderfortress#....??#uh#huh
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JIMMY!! ur gonna overheat the android, buddy!!
(Even though tango DID say he could touch the metal)
#my art#trafficshipping#android tango#engineer Jimmy#idk what this au is called yet bc idk how much I’ll draw of it but YA#tango tek#solidaritygaming#btw if you can’t tell from the smudges and bandaids-Jimmy isn’t very good at engineering but he’s trying I guess????#tango don’t care#also I really like the logo I came up w for Jimmy’s sleeve#I love stabby stars#team rancher
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quick draw and trigonometry
#SMILES grins#this took me forever to draw.... i mean i started it yesterday but anyway#puts a protractor up to my screen where am i#wanted to do an engie-centric drawing for once#doodles#tf2#tf2 engineer#tf2 spy#anyone that knows what inspired this gets a kiss on the mouth btw. or something
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Ms. Pauling's character arc
#my art#beepartcollection#tf2#team fortress 2#tf2 spoilers#tf2 engineer#tf2 miss pauling#i really really love ms pauling and what she fucking goes through#THE FUCKING. SCENE. YOU KNOW THE ONE. “NO.”#tf2 comic 7
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Spychecking?
#tf2#team fortress 2#tf2 engineer#tf2 spy#tf2 heavy#tf2 demoman#tf2 medic#tf2 pyro#tf2 soldier#implications are engiespy; spy left his mask behind oopsie#engie internally biting his arm off: these idiots think im a spy but im just gay goddammit im just really gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#demo knows tho#and heavy i think idk what his expression ended up being kfhjgsdf#and honestly i think RED spy is gettin the picture too x'D idk i just kept adding mercs#myart#happy with this tho it was a fun render
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