#witterbane brother

[lukislikecat]

If Caleb Witterbane Knowing that in the future his younger brother will kill him

[hadesisqueer]

You know, I was kind of worried that Wittebro would turn out to be a bad guy or something like that but thanks to the pictures in Hollow Mind we know he was just. Probably the kindest guy ever.

He was a caring brother who loved Philip and always played with him; he even carved his mask. He was really curious, seeing as he probably willingly followed the witch into the Demon Realm. He probably was wary of magic and witches at first, given the amount of bullshit he was taught all his life, (kind of like Hunter being scared of wild magic and palismen and now look at him) but after a little while and after he had the opportunity to meet a few witches and befriend them, he grew to love the Boiling Isles, and started a new life. He most likely learnt how to carve palismen (and he probably named his after his favorite food which only makes me like him more) and just adapted pretty well. He even fell in love with a witch a Clawthorne, talk to the wall, and started a family with her. And all along, he still loved his little brother and seemed super excited to introduce him to his wife, and having him in their life.

I don't know, he just seemed so sweet, such a good person. He deserved better.

[angiesdoodle]

IT'S JUST KIND OF FUCKED UP

I'm just traumatized in a new way after the first episode. Belos didn't die, the guys found a way to the titan's blood, Halloween, new friends of Luz. BUT OTHER THINGS ARE JUST SO TRAUMATIC. POLICEMAN LUZ HASN'T HATCHED YET. SHE BECAME MORE ANTISOCIAL. AMITY, WILLOW, GUS, AND HUNTER LOOKED AT THE FATHER AND CHILDREN. THE HUNTER ALSO MENTIONED DARIUS. WE LEARNED A SMALL PART OF THE STORY OF CALEB AND PHILIP. VI HAS A LIKING FOR MASHA.  THEY FOUND THE TITAN'S BLOOD, BUT AT WHAT BITCH PRICE???? BELOS IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL DIE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND PREFERABLY AT THE HANDS OF IDA, CAMILLA AND DARIUS. YOU'VE BROUGHT TOO MUCH SHIT INTO THIS FUCKING WORLD AND I HOPE YOU DROWN YOURSELF IN THAT SHIT AND FUCKING DIE. THE HUNTER HAS NEW SCARS AND I'M SURE DARIUS WILL WANT TO BREAK PHILIP'S FACE WHEN HE SEES THIS. FLAPJACK SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR THE HUNTER AND THERE IS A THEORY THAT THIS LITTLE BIRD HAD THE SOUL OF THE WITCH THAT CALEB WENT AFTER. AND NOW THE HUNTER HAS AN OLD HAIRSTYLE, BUT AT WHAT FUCKING COST??? PEOPLE WHO HATED THE NEW DESIGN - ARE YOU HAPPY? THESE CHILDREN DESERVE MUCH BETTER AND I HOPE THAT THEY ALL, LIKE THEIR PARENTS/PARENT FIGURES, GO TO A PSYCHOLOGIST BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOME KIND OF FUCKED UP. BELOS IS A FUCKING CONCH THAT NEEDS TO BE PUBLICLY HANGED, DISMEMBERED AND GENERALLY TORN TO FUCKING MAGICAL ORGANS. I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR CALEB, CONSIDERING WHAT A MORAL FREAK HIS BROTHER/FRIEND IS.

[thewitchershunters]

Holaa! Nosotros somos "the Witchers Hunters Proyect".

Somos un grupo de jóvenes latinoamericanos tratando de hacer una serie de la historia de los hermanos witterbane y como estos conocieron a Evelyn.

Nos ayudarían mucho si algunas personas se ofrecieran en ayudarnos en algunas de las áreas que dire a continuación.

• Escritores.

• Guionistas cinematográficos.

• Guionistas técnicos.

• Guionistas literarios.

• Diseñadores de personajes.

• Diseñadores de fondos.

Por el momento solo estamos plantando las bases del proyecto, por lo cual si quieres ser doblador, animador, musico, etc, tendras que espera un poco c:

Si alguno de estos puesto te interesa te invitamos a que nos mandes un mensaje por privado en esta misma cuenta!

Te esperamos!

[me-and-my-hyperfixations]

The Haunted Hayride scene in Thanks to Them implies that Philip and Caleb have become a part of Gravesfield's local folklore.

That means there's a decent chance that the Witterbane brothers' story was made into a bitching murder ballad at some point.

[xen-void]

HEHE

[elizabethrzg]

These two are in my brain, they have not left It since the episode aired

[proudfreakmetarusonniku]

every waking second I go through without Hunter is suffering

[slowthypiglordblr]

Toh Theory: Will the Titan aid Luz in the Final Battle, and has he been helping her?

Throughout the course of the Owl house (especially after the revelations from S2b) a question has been in the back of my mind. Has the Titan of the Boiling Isles been secretly helping Luz this whole time?

A major element of season 1 and early season 2 was Luz’s uncanny ability to discover and utilize glyphs, something witches and demons didn’t know existed until then. In a matter of weeks, Luz had mastered all four glyphs, and would eventually learn to combine them in only a few months. While this also stems from her artistic ingenuity (and reading some of Philip’s journal), it’s almost like the Titan itself had been guiding her as a sort omniscient second mentor. On the opposite, it took Belos/Philip Witterbane years to figure out the gylphs even requiring Luz to teach his past self the light spell (her first glyph). He even speculated that Titan would have such knowledge to begin with and was actively sabotaging him to prevent him from threatening the people of the isles. It’s fitting that the self-proclaiming “Humble Messenger of the Titan” was actually a false prophet despised by the being he claimed to serve where as Luz was unknowingly the Titan’s true champion.

Another interesting thing in “For The Future” of all the Hexsquad, Luz was the only one to stuck in the rift (a place she had previously visited in Yesterday’s Lie). The spiritual figure (who I presume is the titan’s soul) is desperately trying to reach, even waving at her to get her attention. Whatever the reason, the Titan clearly wishes to speak with Luz specifically as if he needs her for something important. 

This is mostly just a guess on my end, but I’m starting to wonder if Dana has been hinting this connection from the beginning. During the countdown for the season 2 premiere, Luz is shown resting inside the skull of a giant beast which seems to greatly resembles a Titan’s head. Another art piece shows Luz playing with a massive paper mache King’s skull, wearing it and even sitting inside of it. 

In the show proper, in the episode “Thanks to Them”, Luz and Hunter adorn themselves with a King and Owl mask respectively to face what they think is Belos returned. While this was mostly helped to give Hunter a much needed confidence boost, it might also serve as a symbolic function in the narrative. Hunter is revitalizing a part of his former identity as the Golden Guard whereas Luz wears the likeness of someone she views as a younger brother for emotional support. It also may foreshadow Luz drawing strength from the Titan itself in order to be on par with the Collector as what Lilith mentioned in “For the Future”, Titan’s magic can negate Collector magic. (Makes you wonder if instead of a CollectorLuz, we got TitanLuz, but that’s probably just me.)

.Before we get into Titan’s plans for Luz, we need to take reflect on elements on the small tidbits of information revolving around the Titans in general. As we can recall, the Titans were once the ruling species of the Demon Realm for an unspecified amount of time. One day, the Collectors arrived on their crusade of capturing and taking over other planets for their own agenda. The Titans stepped forth to oppose the Collector and drive them back, with the latter alongside the witches and demons who worshiped them and sought their extinction. This would lead to a long and bloody war which ended in both sides wiping each other out, save a youngster from each opposing species (King and our Collector). 

During this period of time, it helps to shed a small light on the Boiling Isles Titan likely as a person. While we don’t know much about King’s father, it’s in the face of the war and the slaughter of his kin, a he sought to protect his son (the last Titan) at all costs. He created an island hidden away from the Collector through a protective sigil inside a massive tower which King’s egg would be nurtured. As a last line of defense against any intruder seeking to harm his son, the Titan created an army of golems made from flesh and bone to protect and care for King. This proves to us that regardless of circumstance, King’s father loved and cherished his son more than anything in the world, even before his own life. 

This leads into the reason for the Titan seeking out Luz, the answer is as simple as it is profound, to be there for King. Ever since Luz arrived on the Isles, she’s had a massive positive impact on the island and it’s inhabitants (despite her believing the contrary). She helped Eda reconcile with her curse and her sister, she helped Willow, Gus, Hunter, and Amity overcome their personal struggles, reforge their friendships and come into their own, as well as play an important role in stopping the Day of Unity. But one of major accomplishments was with King, at the start of the show, he was self-centered attention seeking child lost in delusions of grandeur who often caused a lot of trouble her and others around him. But thanks in part to Luz, King not only learned that actions have consequences and to appreciate what he has, but also resolve his own identity crisis and discover his nature as a Titan. If not for Luz’s influence would’ve never become the mature, responsible, empathetic boy he is by season 3. Through that, it’s easy to see why the Titan would see Luz as the perfect person to watch over King, as well the world he created in his own death. 

While the idea of prophecy and chosen ones does not fit the themes of the owl house, but take away the Titan’s preconceived divinity to the witches and demons of the BI and a new picture is formed. A father who in death left behind a world for his son to call home and a family to cherish, with Luz serving to guide him into becoming a good person in a way he could not. 

[daystarvoyage]

The Owl House Bomb Drop Prequel Series In The Making

This HALLOWEEN THE BOMB DROP

The owl house prequel fanfic WITTERBANE bequeathed

Tragedy Struggles Deception Misfortune Falls upon thee

Born in the prestigious Town of Hamden CT" The Witterbane brothers lived a peaceful life in their hometown, sons to mother & father Amanda & Peter Witterbane" one a fellow nun & doctor, the other a Well-known construction worker of his hometown who works day by day as a provider. for the Witterbane family, when they first visit graves filed CT, having heard news an outbreak in the fall & winter that's killed all natural resources, could it be an epidemic or Disease or perhaps the work of Witches in the town of Gravesfield, in this fanfic prequel you'll see the brothers witness tragedy struggles hope corruption and prejudice amongst like know other.

[squidink18]

Man-Made Men— How “The Owl House succeeds where “Miraculous” Fails:

SPOILER WARNINGS FOR TOH AND MLB

To be completely honest I’ve seen the leaks but I’m avoiding discussing any and all of them that haven’t officially broadcast. So this is mostly just info for miraculous up to “Exaltation” in season five. As for Owl House, if you’re new to the fandom, this is a major story spoiler, so avoid it.

I wanna talk about Grimwalkers and Sentimonsters, from the respective shows listed in the titles. For those who are unaware—

Grimwalkers are artificially made humanoids from The Owl House. They’re basically clones meant to be a replacement to Emperor Belos’ brother, Caleb, who the former killed and used this method to create someone who’d support his… “questionable” decisions.

Sentimonsters are magical beings created by the Peacock Miraculous. They’re formed by strong emotions, take on a variety of forms, and fall under the absolute influence of whoever is holding the object that contains an Amok, a feather imbued with magic that gives the creature being.

In this specific post, we’re gonna talk about these two blorbos, Hunter 

And Adrien

and how the Owl House handles their inhumanity almost perfectly, and how Miraculous fumbles the bag.

I don’t really support the theory of Adrien being a sentimonster but at this point you gotta roll with the punches. 

In "The Owl House," we're introduced to Hunter pretty early on in Season 2 tells his story as the Golden Guard, and when we meet him, he's a stuck-up, cocky little bastard that Xeno Robinson portrays PERFECTLY. The audience is groomed to have a sort of dislike towards him, but thankfully, Dana and the writing team make him just likable enough for a slow redemption. Zuko went from a character who's just a straight-up complicated antagonist to a great main character, and in this set of circumstances, Hunter's the guy who acts bad but as we come to find out, is doing it sheerly for a semblance of parental approval from this dick.

"Hunting Palismen" elaborates on his nature and personality and gives us a bit more insight into everything. He can't naturally do magic, so he relies on artificial staff mechanics and physical ability to match the strength of typical witches. He wants to look into Wild Magic more, showing a curiosity the original Caleb had towards the Demon Realm, which led to Belos wanting to handle him in the first place. He opens up to Luz, our protagonist, and for the first time in his life, he meets someone who legitimately wanted to know him not as the Golden Guard, but as who he really was.

"My name is Hunter."

And so we get a complicated character in both personality, motivation, and backstory! "Eclipse Lake" presents him more as an antagonist because that's the point! He's doing this entire convoluted search for Titan's Blood just for the sake of proving himself to his "uncle." It's not necessarily his fault. Philip Witterbane/Belos is a manipulative little piece of garbage that actively grooms the people who work for him into getting them to their full levels of usefulness and promptly trashing them once they've outlived it. Lilith literally references this in "Elsewhere and Elsewhen!"

And then we get the good parts of "Hunting Palismen" in "Any Sport in a Storm!" He meets Willow, Gus, and the rest of the Flyer Derby team. He makes friends! He legitimately gets close to them!

So naturally, the good times promptly die with the next major episode.

Hollow Mind.

*Heavy sigh*

Personally, this is one of my favorite episodes of the season. And in this context, it serves perfectly for the reveal behind Hunter's true purpose. He's not meant to naturally exist. He's a literal clone. We see him go from the pompous jerk putting on the front of maturity

and deteriorate into his true self; a scared, insecure little dude, brought on by years of being abused by Belos coming out like a tidal wave with all the wild revelations making him question everything so much that he has a panic attack.

But Luz and the others are there and support him and it's GREAT. The way the show handles his existential crises and with writing to support this effectiveness, we get arguably one of the most strongly written characters in the show.

Which is why Miraculous warrants this post.

"Adrien Agreste being a Sentimonster" was a theory I heard of when I first started getting into the show when season 3 was actively airing. I didn't like it! I thought it was ridiculous, cause Adrien being a literal magical creation makes this entire situation complicated and arguably unnecessary.

 And then they went there. 

And I was sad.

On one hand, the way they went about it is about as subtle as a bright red "F" on a test. Hawk Moth/Monarch/Shadow Moth/Jackass Agreste fiddling with the ring to manipulate Adrien and using words like "OBEY" made it pretty clear, and I feel like the show's track record isn't gonna be effective with proper reveals? Like even now Juleka and Rose haven't canonically called each other girlfriends before, but it's PRETTY OBVIOUS given the scenes we SEE WITH THEM! They're not gonna elaborate on this any more than we've been getting. 

The way the show handles this is absolutely abhorrent, especially considering there are so many interesting fanfictions/art pertaining to it. A prime example would be @buggachat and their works—Drowning(In plain sight)" or even the comics they've drawn(you know, the one with Luka and the others) about it. It handles the idea of someone having the realization that their existence being a lie pretty well! It can be related to the subtle themes of parental abandonment and complications pertaining to birth in quite an interesting way! 

And the icing on the cake is that with these two characters, it's a matter of their epiphany that their life and the value it holds isn't something dependent on where they came from, but instead, everyone around you giving you support and showcasing their love, independent of an abusive situation. Hunter has the Hexsquad, Luz, and Camila, all of them giving him the support to have a happy found family, far from the Sticky Icky here. 

But Gabriel and Adrien don't really have that dynamic. It feels like they're tangentially related. Like it'd be better if they had it be a circumstance where Adrien directly motivated Gabriel in some propensity, but nope.

He’s doing this for himself.

Gabriel could care less about his son or his personal opinions. He's a douche.

I feel like this stems from my personal gripe towards his characterization cause they flip-flop between him being a (slightly) sympathetic dude and a sociopathic nutcase who repeatedly endangers children and threatened to start WORLD WAR THREE just to bring back his wife. 

I feel like Emilie Agreste as a McGuffin works, but if it actually affected the family in some way. If Gabriel was actually concerned about his son's happiness and doing what he's doing for HIS SON, then he'd be legitimately concerned about his well-being. Present the circumstances reflecting an actual broken family, not a straight up abusive situation.

Y'know, doing what he does in Season Five, but out of the legitimate goodness of his heart?

Adrien as a Sentimonster adds no value to the plot whatsoever. I feel like a better method of writing him would have him be human, but just really dependent on the idea of a parental figure, which is why he's really subservient to his dad, which would warrant him listening to what he says and getting akumatized all the time in the bad timelines. So, naturally Nathalie and the Dupain-Cheng family are more welcoming to him!

And as a PARALLEL to him Felix is the actual sentimonster, explaining why they happen to look super-similar, and giving a bit more of depth to this show's writing- The boy who is free to do what he wants but doesn't out of fear of disappointing his father, and the boy who desires his true freedom but is at the risk of getting eviscerated. It would make lines like Felix saying "You always do what your father tells you?"  Matter more and hit harder. What we got is like if in My Hero Academia or something there was a character who had some super overpowered ability like Time manipulation or something and the story never used it.

And I know I said "No Spoilers" but this is the closest thing to one- Adrien doesn't have a role in the Finale, that's all I'll say. It'd make sense if he DID stuff! It's Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir, not "Just Ladybug." 

Hunter's a deep character and the fact that he's artificially made makes him all the more interesting! 

Adrien's a shallow dude with barely any personality and a "tragic backstory" that doesn't bring anything interesting to the story. He’s a prop.

I could go on, and if you wanna debate/hear more, message me, I’m here for whatever.

[belos-witterbane]

Sometimes I do really think about the story of Witterbane brothers.

It's like a confusing ball - nothing is clear, with each theory there are a bunch of more logical theories and so on.

It seems to me, although this is a controversial judgment and I realise some people won’t like my opinion and will argue with me, but still that Belos was sincerely sorry that Caleb died. Really. Based on one good theory on this topic, there are several factors that confirm the correctness of judgments. Even Philip himself (yes, it is possible that he lied again that time , but let's omit this moment)) said that "it hurts every time he chooses to betray me." It is possible that he is really hurt always when he is betrayed. He created new Golden Guards, hoping they wouldn't betray. And so on to the end. And every time unsuccessfully…

I also adhere to the theory that Caleb's death was an accident. This would explain and explain a lot. Both characters would play with other colors, a lot would become clearer and clearer.

In general, I do really love this art of Belos:). This is the best art of him. I also like Philip, maybe Hunter also, but only in the second season. And that's all I wanted to say.

Bye:)

[thatfreak03]

(Sorry for any spelling or Grammar mistakes)

(Spoilers)

An idea I have for Belos'/Philip Witterbane's eternal punishment

(Based heavily on the episode Judgment Night from The Twilight Zone)

It always happens on a day Belos hurts people.

Sometimes it's the day his brother was murdered. Sometimes it's the day he first tested the sigils. Sometimes it's a day he killed a Golden Gaurd. Sometimes it's The Day of Unity only things went entirely in his favor that day.

I think you get the point.

Each day he wakes up knowing nothing but one of his names, Belos if he was commonly known as Philip at the time, Philip if he was commonly known as Belos at the time, and the knowledge that something bad will happen. Whatever that horrible thing is, he knows it will also affect him.

He somehow knows Caleb's brother is going to kill him, and he will end up killing him too. He somehow knows the sigils will hurt or kill people, and he also has a sigil.

Each day he meets people and tries to warn them about what's about to happen, but he doesn't know the details of the event nor how to avoid it. So people don't take him too seriously about said events he claims will happen.

Despite this, all the people he has met are still kind to him. He ends up bonding with them. He learns about their hopes, their fears, their families, etc. This furthers his attempt to try and somehow stop the horrible event, not wanting these people to face the horrors he knows will come.

But he is never able to stop it. He witnesses death and people being left for dead, right before he meets his own horrible fate.

And each time he sees the person responsible for all this, and he sees his own face. Each time he is left in complete shock, horror, confusion, and guilt before he finally dies.

And each time he dies, he wakes up on another day with no memory other than his name and the knowledge that something horrible is about to happen.

Belos/Philip will live these days over and over again. Dying with the people he killed or almost killed. Never knowing until the very end that he is the one responsible for all this suffering.

So how do you like my idea?

[azure-wolf-227]

TOH Werebeasts AU

It’s basically a Werewolf AU but with more than just Werewolves.

The setting is fantasy medieval/middle ages, with kingdoms, knights and magic. While most of the canon human characters remain as humans, the canon witch/demon characters are either humans or werebeasts depending on what role they play. The witch characters that are now humans still have magic powers, but are called Mages.

Werebeasts are a race of beings that can shift between a humanoid form and beast form. They also have and in-between form that’s mix of their humanoid and beast forms. Werebeasts in their humanoid form are recognized by their pointed ears.

Werebeasts’ are either based on a single animal or are a mix of several. What type of animal or animal-mix the Beast Forms are based on depends on family relations and the Werebeasts’ individuality. For example, all the Clawthornes have bird-based Beast forms, but the type of bird each member is it’s different: Eda - owl, Lilith - raven, Gwen - hawk, Dell - yellow cardinal.

All Werebeasts are quadrupedal in their Beast Forms and somewhat mammalian-like even if their are based on bird, insects, or reptiles. They are also much larger than their animal counterparts, even when the animal is usually small.

Although most Werebeasts are born, humans are capable of becoming Werebeasts by way of a magic ritual. The ritual itself is not common knowledge and many Werebeasts think it’s a legend (it’s not).

Werebeasts are often persecuted by humans, so many of them either live in isolation or try to blend in. There are towns and villages that happily accept Werebeasts living amongst them.

Philip/Belos is a powerful lord who seeks to exterminate all the Werebeasts because his brother fell in love with one. Although he only controls a single region, he has been known to secretly send mercenaries and bounty hunter into ‘Werebeast Friendly’ regions to hunt down any Werebeasts seeking refuge.

Eda's curse in this AU is a condition some Werebeasts have that causes them to suddenly give in to their animal instincts and become feral. The condition is often looked down by other Werebeasts despite it being manageable with the right medication. She lives in a house deep in the woods bordering a Werebeast Friendly town.

King is Beast-Locked, a rare condition that makes him unable to take on a humanoid form so he is locked into the form of a beast - though he can take on an inbetween form. Beast-Locked Werebeasts are also often looked down upon as defective.

Luz is the only apparent survivor of a village that was destroyed in a monster attack; she was found and adopted by Eda. Although Luz starts out as human, she would eventually become a Werebeast.

Raine is Eda’s ex who has been working to save other Werebeasts from being killed. They saved the BATTs (Derwin, Katya, and Amber) after their families got killed, and practically adopted the three. While looking for a new home, they reunite with Eda and join her “pack.” The two eventually rekindle their romance.

Hunter is not a Grimwalker, but rather, a Werebeast and the biological son of Caleb Witterbane and Evelyn Clawthorne (who is Eda’s cousin in this AU). His uncle Philip murdered his parents and kidnapped him when he was a baby. Philip then proceeded to use magic to seal away Hunter’s Beast Form and pass him off as a full-human, lying to Hunter that his parents were killed by Werebeasts. Hunter eventually finds out the truth and unseals his Beast Form.

Here is a list of some of the characters that are Werebeasts and what animal/animal mix they are based on:

Eda is an Own Beast like in canon, though her face in Beast Form is more animalistic.

Raine is a fox/bat hybrid in reference to their fox Palisman and to reference the BATTs.

Luz’s eventual Beast Form is a mix of otter, cat, and snake.

King is an undetermined canine hybrid. Instead of a skull head, the upper part of his head has white fur and his left ear has a the upper half missing.

Amber is a full on Bat Beast because she already had bat traits in canon; Katya is a bat/cat hybrid in reference to her name starting with ‘Kat’ and to reference the CATTs; Derwin is a bat/dog hybrid for not particular reason except that I wanted him to be that.

Amity is a Cat Beast to reference her cat Palisman. She resembles a housecat but is the size of a big cat like a leopard or a lion.

Willow is a Bee Beast, essentially a Bee-version of the Owl Beast. This is a reference to her bee Palisman.

Gus is a Chameleon Beast, in reference to his chameleon Palisman.

Hunter is a red cardinal/wolf hybrid to reference his (first) Palisman and his love of wolves. Evelyn was a Red Cardinal Beast while Caleb was a human who became a Wolf Beast.

Lilith, Gwen, and Dell are bird based beast in reference to their canon Palismen.

[loveaetingkids]

“Watching and Dreaming” and the way it handled antagonists

*Spoilers for the Owl House finale*

After finishing the last episode of the Owl House,me and my friend @skimpilydressedwithanaxe  had noticed that amongst many beautiful themes,there was one that greatly highlighted the difference between Collector and Belos,and the way each of them should be treated on the example of the characters' attitude toward them:

After talking out with Collector,we already see him starting to warm up to Luz,Eda and King,going as far as trying to “redeem” Belos going off Luz’s lessons about kindness and forgiveness.Even after Luz had sacrificed her life for them,no one blamed the cosmic child,because while they made a huge mistake and the consequences were disastrous,he didn’t know any better;the crew not only was understanding of his situation,but also willing to teach them things .In the end,they saved most of the Boiling Isles population and helped rebuild the portal,which in turn earned them the trust of witches and demons.

As for Witterbane,the audience has witnessed him killing his brother,emotionally abusing and/or hurting children and trying to wipe off Titans residents TWICE.But unlike Collector,there’s no regret on his part:upon meeting Luz after their grand fight,he opted to lie,claiming the heroine “helped him get rid of the curse which made him do this”, not realizing that the curse wasn’t inherently evil but a part of the Owl Lady really speaks volumes about him as a whole.In the end,Belos died partly by the hands(or boots) of the mains,reducing to nothing more that an awful memory.

So in conclusion one of the leading morals of “Watching and Dreaming” is that while you can give people who did wrong in the past a second chance,there are some that don’t deserve it,which was perfectly shown in child god and undead puritan:while the first didn’t fully understand the consequences of their games,the second was quite aware of all the heinous acts,continuing even when he could’ve stopped.

[bulbtree]

Have you ever heard of the Wittebane brothers from The Owl House? I think the story of Samekichi and Sal (especially in the manga and the reboot-exclusive videos) would still make sense even if they were replaced with Caleb and Philip.

Spoilers for TOH i suppose:

I've heard about Witterbane brothers, i think in core, Caleb and Same are somewhat same, they both learned to be selfless and to chase higher goals in life then harm others. Caleb isn't dependant of Philip like Same is of Sal tho, but Same was very young when he started losing his brother.

Philip and Shiranami have surface similarities with secret indentity, being extremely selfish and the curse but are quite the opposite, again coming from their childhood difference. Everything Philip does, he chose to do to himself willingly. He changed name because it got bad rep, he cursed himself to gain abilities, and he was taught to be selfish early on. Shiranami on the other hand has very little if any agency on every front. Everything happening in the game is driven by the curse that affects anyone and everyone who expresses strong negative emotions and bends them into monsters. And puts them under control of a god-princess, at that. Given his self perception and condition, and becuase he couldn't live like that anymore, he had to run away and switch indentity. Note that he is very upset about his real indentity, labels it, hides it and rejects it (manga), while Philip is very, very proud of it. Philip is cunning and calculated while Sal is just resourceful liar.

Despite constantly claiming he will, Sal kills Same in 1 out of 3 timelines. He keeps him alive during entire Normal End 1 as prisoner, and he choses to aim blade at Wadanohara in true end, meaning it is not his first choice. I think Philip would do that too if he had timeline options, so that is interesting AU. Caleb imprisoned? Samekichi clones? TOH AU sounds like very fun idea.