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Number one enemy of anyone into medieval literature: Fate

Bc tell me why every time I google a character one of the first results is some anime character. This is genuinely funny and upsetting at a time

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I was talking to my dad about the new kiteman show and how I found it funny on how he’s getting a show he’s a c tier villain (I know he’s a side character in the Harley Quinn show) but he mentioned how a Batman show about minor characters would be fun.

Ep.1 calendarman

It should be about the fact he was one of the first costumed villains you can focus on how this is new the public reaction the trial and its consequences you could also have Harvey Dent pre two face it could even be before he became DA. I would want Gilda there she would probs be either engaged, dating or showing the start of there romance your pick.

Idk the order of the other eps but her are my ideas

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His relationship with crystal his wife/ex-wife his daughter Stephanie of course I think a theme for this show could be generational trauma, childhood trauma, and identity. I feel he does love Stephanie I dislike the take he doesn’t he’s still a bad father caring more about his weird crimes being more absent than abusive. Side note him leaving clues behind from his crimes is like not unique everyone in Gotham does it that’s like the plot of the comics they wouldn’t be in there silly costumes. Like this one being more of a life story we see him start committing crimes his stay at Arkham him getting better (committing crimes no clues) his stint on the sui side squad leading to his eventual death.

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Bette Kane the first bat girl. I think the ep should start with a flashback her finding out Kate’s batwoman! making her batgirl suit, stopping being bat girl. We open post flash back from the military (I don’t think she was ever in the military in the comics but the kanes are a military family) disillusioned this ep is more a mystery unraveling the secrets of Gotham(the curse). On the hole idea of Gotham being cursed I fine with I like the more mystical things. I think the curse is more symbolic if anything else not making people do the things more like how carbon monoxide poisoning can make you act differently but your still responsible for you actions. the curse sprouting from the sins of Gotham it’s self I want the Kane family to be responsible fsome of it by extension the Wayne’s cus I image Thomas making his money him self I know not cannon I just like it.

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The thing that DC doesn’t seem to understand is that, to me at least, the moment that Batman acts abusive or antagonistic to his kids (and not just like making mistakes or being a flawed parent, but being an actively bad parent) he stops being a hero. At that point he is just a villain who fights crime to me.

Thats not a “superhero” story anymore, its not even a complex or morally-grey character, it’s not even a supervillain story. It’s a story about a shitty guy who happens to save people’s lives sometimes. And no amount of saving people makes up for him being terrible to the people in his personal life.

And maybe some people are interested in that story, but that’s just not a character I’m invested in reading about.

If I’m supposed to see batman as this cultural icon of of superhero media, the dark and vengeful protector of his city who hides his good heart and secret identity under the cowl and cape, then he needs to ACTUALLY have a good heart under there.

And in my book, people who mistreat those they claim to care about just aren’t good people. People who are bad parents (NOT flawed parents, NOT people who are bad at the difficult skill of parenting, I mean people with kids who don’t care about them but continue to be parents) aren’t good people.

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batfamily fans pretend that they like complex parent-child relationships until the parent isn't bruce wayne. and the complexity isn't very easily resolved communication issues

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Alright. Willis Todd being an abusive father to Jason is a trope often utilized. Comparing this version of him to Bruce's reactions to Red Hood is fantastic. Lots to analyze there.

However, I raise you. There needs to be more fanwork addressing the classism behind Willis Todd being characterized as an abusive alcoholic. In some version of canon, Willis Todd was a good dad in a shitty situation. He was poor, his wife (Catherine) was sick, and he had a newborn baby he needed to provide for. In this horrid situation, where he has no family to fall back on and no higher education to obtain a decent well-paying job, he tries to get quick money. He's desperate to keep both his wife and son alive.

Catherine turns to drugs because it's easier and cheaper to buy drugs than healthcare. The pain she experiences is debilitating, and she'd do anything to not feel pain for one godsdamned second. Unfortunately, this turns into an addiction.

This ultimately shapes the way that Jason views crime. Bruce, while he may be sympathetic to individuals who resort to crime to pay their bills, will not understand huddling in Crime Alley in the dead of winter as he debates whether to buy food or pay for heating. He won't understand the bitterness, hatred, pain, and resignation of never having enough money to survive as you get chewed up again and again.

If Jason's dad is just an abusive criminal, that not only perpetuates the notion that all criminals are evil, but it will shape how Jason views those who commit crime. Breaking the law doesn't make someone bad. There's plenty of reasons people commit crime, whether to survive, protect someone, or something else. The issue, especially in Gotham, is the system that perpetuates wealth inequality through bribes and unethical governmental practices.

Anyway, I think Jason's Red Hood is more fleshed out if it accounts for him acknowledging the desperation behind goons and small-time criminals because he grew up without other options.

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batfamily fans pretend that they like complex parent-child relationships until the parent isn't bruce wayne. and the complexity isn't very easily resolved communication issues

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What are your thoughts on Duela Dent? Specifically her Pre-Crisis backstory—before she was retconned to not even being related to Harvey for Some Reason. I think there could be some interesting themes about generational trauma and how his own childhood severely impacted Harvey’s relationship with his own daughter.

Harvey and Gilda having a kid who becomes a superhero to try to redeem her heritage is a great concept, and like a lot of great concepts, DC dropped it down the drain. But that’s what fanon is for! There’s so much you can explore with Duela. If I were to remake her myself, I’d do away with the whole Joker’s Daughter and Harlequin identities, at least after the initial phase of her trying to get Batman’s attention by pretending to be other supervillains’ daughter; and instead have her reflect Harvey and Two-Face’s themes of duality and justice. Like, maybe her heroic identity has a Lady Justice theme with a symbol of scales, a sword for a weapon and a tied domino mask with coloured lenses to mimic a blindfold. Or maybe she defiantly avoids all things duality-related to disown her father’s evil legacy, only to later incorporate her own version of it as she accepts him as a part of her. I think that like Batman, she’d hate using guns. It doesn’t feel right to have her so associated with the Joker and similar to Harley Quinn when she isn’t even related to them, especially when they’re both very popular and present in DC already (in the Joker’s case, far more than he deserves). Let’s keep her a Dent first and foremost.

Anyway, onto the relationships! I like the idea that Harvey and Gilda wanted kids and them trying before the acid attack and turning out to have succeeded after the dad is a crime lord or in Arkham Asylum is so perfectly tragic. Maybe Harvey “Definitely Not Hanging on by a Thread” Dent wants to be a dad partly, subconsciously to prove to himself that he can be the opposite of his father, to create the ultimate proof that he isn’t doomed to fail and suffer and ruin everything he touches, that he’s capable of having a healthy, happy family and can handle his C-PTSD just fucking fine. In essence, to ‘redeem’ and stick it to his own terrible childhood and paternal heritage. The cycle of generational trauma can’t have that much power over him if he breaks it, can it? No more power than Gotham’s cycle of violence and corruption will have once he, Bats and Gordon take the streets back for the people! A nice work/personal life parallel that mirrors how Bruce doesn’t stop thinking like Batman when he takes the cowl off. But then the trial happens. And then Gilda misses her period. And now Harvey, unable to find a way out of perpetuating Gotham’s vicious cycle, is an absent father with an ever-growing criminal record who perpetuates his family’s vicious cycle as well. He passes that whole toxic mindset down to his child. He loves her so much and hates that he’s failing her! It’s just that you can’t hate yourself into becoming a better person, so the ‘Oh God, I’m just like my father’ stress on top of everything else wrong with him actually makes him spiral lower faster.

Two-Face, I believe, loves Gilda as much as Harvey does (though she doesn’t seem to love him back). I’d imagine he loves Duela too. I bet Duela is the only thing both he and Harvey can ignore the coin for. Two-Face loves in a particularly “If anything happens to her, I will kill everyone in Gotham and then myself” way. Of course, he makes things happen to her. Growing up with your dad, or his alter or whatever, committing murder and terrorism and such on the news is not fun. She could easily be bullied because of Harvey and Two-Face. So she would really resent them, especially the more immoral Two-Face, before gaining a more objective, nuanced understanding of them and struggling to reconcile how awful her daddy issues have felt her entire life with the system who caused of them being sympathetic and not beyond rehabilitation. When she becomes a superhero, does she avoid Gotham to avoid them? Does she never go on patrol while Two-Face is at large? Or does she seek the system out for catharsis or the desperate, painful need to know her father in any capacity? Does she want revenge on him and inspire him to reconsider his own vengeful ways? Do they have incredibly awkward fights? The drama writes itself, but there’s a lot of comic potential too.

Duela: Dad, for fuck’s sake, go to therapy.

Two-Face: That’s my girl! We’re so proud of you, sweetheart! I mean, the way you took out my best muscle, that was amazing.

Duela: (rolls her eyes) Therapy. Now.

Two-Face, still robbing the bank: Right, right. In a minute. And don’t stay out too late again. It’s a school night. A little bit of financial redistribution really doesn’t have to be your problem, you know. Just saying.

Henchman: I didn’t know you had a daughter, boss. Seeing you act like this is so -

Two-Face: Finish that sentence and you’ll get a closed-casket funeral.

Duela: Dad!

Two-Face: Sorry. It can be open casket.

Duela: (sighs) Put your gun down and stop stealing the public’s money, or I will start vaping to cheer myself up.

Two-Face: Alright, Jesus! I’m coming!

Does he kill innocent people, sells drugs and guns and hurt the Batfamily without losing any sleep over it? Yes. Is he absolutely horrified by the thought of his little girl being unhappy? Also yes. Will he stop doing the aforementioned activities that she’s unhappy about? …Later. After she’s done all her homework.

Everything about Gilda is underdeveloped in canon, but she’s usually depicted as unconditionally loving Harvey despite his crimes. Having a child to worry about complicates that. The Dent system are in no condition to coparent. They might even be dangerous, if not directly. Completely cutting your husband out of your life is hard and could hurt your daughter, but so could taking her to visit him in Arkham every weekend. Offering your heart is one thing, exposing your kid’s is another. The conspicuously on-theme name Duela sticks out to me. Did Harvey, newly fixated on duality, get to name her? Was that a concession Gilda gave him while they were arranging for him to have little to no involvement in her life? Does Gilda tell Duela stories about the good in Harvey and their past together? How comfortable is she discussing who he’s become? Is she willing to forgive, or perhaps rather put aside, every atrocity the system could possibly commit except deliberately hurting their daughter? What happens if somehow one of them crosses that line?

One thing I don’t need to question is that Duela is the ultimate mother’s girl. If a villain threatens Gilda to get to her, so help them. She might have no interest in law because look how well that career turned out for the last Dent who tried it, but be an avid artist, in Gilda’s field of sculpting and/or different mediums. Art can be very therapeutic, after all. And Duela undoubtedly needs therapy. (“I’ll go back to Arkham if you talk to the school counsellor tomorrow!” “I’m not killing people, Dad!” “That’s no excuse!”) You could have a fun contrast between her having an archetypical creative type’s disorganized, emotional, eccentric personality as a civilian and her serious vigilante persona being all about rationality, clarity and balance. Chaos and order in one. Her vigilante costume and equipment could even be greyscale, like an unpainted statue, while her casual clothes and art are brightly coloured.

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Brain has been having Duela Dent thoughts and just... Like... It's SUCH a shame that when they decided to make a sequel to The Long Halloween that they didn't decide to make it at least partially be about Duela!

Like... Gilda and Harvey did what they did in the Long Halloween in the pursuit of having a family- namely the chance to have children. Well... Then in a sequel, wouldn't it be interesting to explore the aftermath and consequences of them having gotten what they wanted, but in these less than ideal circumstances...? What if Duela was concieved just a short time before Harvey got his face scarred by acid and he went missing (and insane)? I personally would LOVE to see Harvey trying his damndest to be a good father to Duela all while he's become a permenant fixture of Batman's Rogues Gallery. Him always trying to visit and spend time with her, all while being in the revolving door that is Arkham. Him fighting incredibly hard against his compulsions for her sake because he does want to make Duela feel safe and loved. His struggling with the fear of becoming abusive like his own father, but ultimately never actually directly harming her. Because he does love his daughter and wife more than anything in the world and in spite of everything, he somehow manages to be an okay father and husband, even if he is considered to be a bad person. But Duela still growing up to deeply resent him, so much that she denies being related to Two-Face in every capacity and always lies about their relationship.

Like... There's actually such a genuinely interesting story to be told here! But I guess that the DC writers just don't care about Gilda and don't want to use Duela's relationship with Harvey to any interesting effect. :/

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What if Jason and Carrie were in the same foster home

Jason and Carrie ran away from there abusive foster home when he was 7 and she was 4.

The two of them had to live on their own scamming as a way to survive Carrie would act lost and scared get an adults attention so jason could pickpocket them. Until on fateful day the anniversary of Martha and Thomas Wayne’s deaths. Batman like every patrolled the spot they died when he spotted a little girl who looked around 7 years old crying

Batman: Hello honey what’s your name

Carrie: Carrie and lost my mommy and daddy and I don’t know where they went (she said in a sniffly scared little kid voice)

After 4 minutes Carrie and Batman return to the Batmobile with 2/4 of its tires missing. With a little black haired boy trying to remove a third. This caught Batman off guard causing him to laugh and laugh and laugh.

Jason: come on Carrie lets go

Jason and Carrie ran through crime alley being fallow by the Batman eventually losing him. Until the two come across a Gang of Four older kids looking to be around 17 the leader a girl with blonde hair and two boys one with brown eyes and the other with curly hair

Blonde girl: oh lookie who we have here to little punks

Brown eyed boy: oh boss what should we do to them

Curly haired boy: ruff them up and shake the of all their worth from them duh

Blonde girl : hey I do the speaking… lets ruffen them up and a shake them for all there worth.

The boys : yeah

Jason : Carrie run I’ll fight them off

Carrie : but I can hel-

Jason : I don’t want them to hurt you run

Carrie try’s to run off but she is grabbed by curly haired

Curly haired boy : I got the girl

Before a single punch is thrown Batman jumps down from the roof top scaring the teens

Blonde girl : I sorry for ruffing up these to I promise it won’t happen again. Right boys

Boys : right

The blond haired girl and her little gang runs off

Batman signals to them to fallow him

Jason: I’m sorry for stealing the tires . but please don’t take us back. I don’t want us to get separated and the chance we get a half decent home are slim to none

Batman: I’m not going to take you back

Jason: so I guess we are going to split so bye .My names Jason by the way. I feel like you want to know that.

Batman: would you like to ride with me.

Jason: you mean it

Batman: I do robin

Jason: robin? Robin!

Edit: I wrote this really late I night so i fixed some spelling and grammar Mistakes . I Aslo changed the ending to be more inline with what happened in the comics