#Secularism
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sofiaflorina2021 · 24 days ago
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"A modern State cannot make atheism or religion one of its political ordinances. The State, while distancing itself from all extremes of fanaticism or secularism, should encourage a harmonious social climate and a suitable legislation which enables every person and every religious confession to live their faith freely, to express that faith in the context of public life and to count on adequate resources and opportunities to bring its spiritual, moral and civic benefits to bear on the life of the nation."
~ Pope John Paul II
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bli-o · 2 years ago
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“You dont want kids? I said the same thing at your age. You’ll realize later.”
“You’re trans? You’re too young to know that. You’ll grow out of it.”
“You’re an atheist? You don’t actually disbelieve, you’re just mad at god. One day, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.”
“You’re a leftist? You’ll become more conservative eventually; every generation does when they come into contact with The Real World™️”
“You’re gay/ace/queer? You just havent met the right man/woman yet.”
If you say any of the above things give me your personal information so i can harm you
edit: the terfs found this post. Y’all fuckin KNOW “give me your personal information” is a joke. I know your job is to paint trans people as evil and stuff but try harder at least, we know you’re not that stupid.
anywaysy crazy how u guys r aligning with people who like theocracy and homophobia and heteronormity just because you hate trans people. It’s almost like you, my fellow hoes, are really damn predictable.
Edit 2: i love how after that first edit terfs mysteriously stopped interacting
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allthecanadianpolitics · 7 months ago
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Quebec Premier François Legault said Friday afternoon that he wants to ban praying in public and that he was considering using the notwithstanding clause to do so. The premier was giving an overview of the past year in Quebec City before lawmakers break until January when he made the announcement. He said he had instructed his team to look into ways to put the ban in place. "Seeing people praying in the streets, in public parks, is not something we want in Quebec," Legault said.
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its-terf-or-nothin · 7 months ago
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happilyaloof · 2 months ago
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How does one equate supporting hindu victims to hating on other faiths? How can you even come to that conclusion?
What is it that we, the ones grieving for our hindu brothers and sisters, are missing out on? Are you so Hinduphobic, or can it be that it’s infact you, who is actually Islamophobic for even remotely considering that the community may get triggered and rise against you outside your doors for something that is not even about them. It’s only and only about the persecutions by the radical groups on the hindus for barely existing, or any discrimination and conversion by any means. It’s sad that I have to spell it out for my so called secular friends. I shouldn’t have to tell you we are all one. They’d die for us and we’d die for them if ever a certain situation would arise.
Sigh, I thought you really believed in unity. Turns out you are quiet and all defensive because you are all living in fear veiled by your secularism.
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"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -- H.L. Mencken
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You're entitled to be as delusional as you want, but you're not entitled to demand that I be the same.
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revshell · 28 days ago
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india doesn’t need more fear. it doesn’t need more silence, or more division wrapped in slogans. it needs care. it needs breath. it needs a government that listens before it rules.
a centre-left, progressive government isn’t just about policy. it’s about people. it’s about saying no one should live in fear because of their name, their god, their love, their voice. it’s about making sure a village child and a city student both have a future that isn’t stolen by greed or hate.
what we have now is a machine that thrives on distraction, on spectacle, on loud cruelty. human rights aren’t a priority — they’re a problem to be shut down. voices aren’t heard — they’re crushed, mocked, jailed.
but we deserve better. a government that doesn’t ask “who do we silence,” but asks “who still hasn’t been heard.” a politics built not on temples and enemies, but on food, books, safety, healing.
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secular-jew · 7 months ago
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Muslims know
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seculartarotreader · 9 months ago
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Secular Sunday Sh*tpost
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You don’t have to separate tarot from your spirituality, but I found it a freeing when I gave secular tarot reading a try.
There was less pressure on myself to read a card (and predicting the future) “correctly” and more of a focus on my own thoughts and feelings. For me, tarot serves as tool to help me understand myself, and the more I understand, the better I can learn from past mistakes and prepare for whatever the future holds.
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digitaljennifer · 1 year ago
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why no desiblr secular bitch is talking about this? Did yr secularism only applies to hindu?
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sapphosremains · 6 months ago
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Not to go on a secularism rant, and this is just anecdotal, but I really think secularism creates massive issues with morals. A lot of atheists argue that you can have morals without religion, and sure, yes you can, but I would suggest that quite a few don't. A lot of this individualistic "you don't owe anybody anything" culture that I saw perpetuated so much on TikTok (part of the reason I ended up deleting it) is part of it. I'm thinking about this because I saw this post on Instagram (in which the creator talks about being pro-life very briefly, and honestly not in a pushy way at all), and these were the comments:
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("I hope so" etc here meaning they hope she has an unwanted pregnancy)
But genuinely, and I don't have any better words for this - what the actual fuck? What on earth compels you to write a comment on a post wishing a life threatening and traumatising experience on the creator? Genuinely what the fuck. And 1,208 people agreeing. And this is Instagram! People don't comment and like comments as much as on other platforms, so this is a lot!
Even if you fundamentally disagree with her pro-life opinions, how on earth can you think that commenting wishing her something that awful is remotely appropriate?? I can't even begin to comprehend that passing through my mind.
And like, I'm not the strongest pro-life advocate ever (firstly, I hate the term itself but that's another discussion). I have very complicated feelings around abortion, as a combination of my religious and own personal experiences. On one hand, religiously, I hate the idea that God's hand-formed life is being killed. As @idylls-of-the-divine-romance always says, the total abolition of death as a weapon. I totally agree. On the other hand, I struggle, because I think that access to abortion is really important, and the bans being considered around the world at the moment create really difficult grey areas/possible bans on crucial healthcare such as removal of ectopic pregnancies and removal of deceased foetuses, which is really dangerous for women, and creates really dangerous situations where women are forced to have illegal and dangerous abortions. Anyway, I won't get further into this, but you can see how conflicted I am. I'm not coming at this from 'never say anything against pro life!!!!!!!', I'm coming at this from possibly a similar angle to these commenters. And still, what on earth.
And this is part of a larger thought process in people celebrating the LA fires, or the death of the insurance CEO. Like are these potentially horrible people? Yes. But oml just because you disagree with someone, or even if they are genuinely an abhorrent person, doesn't mean that you can wish death or destruction on them, or rejoice in the destruction of their life... like that's still a nasty thing to do even if they're a nasty person... that's still an immoral thing to say/do...
And I think this acceptance of 'I can say despicable things because I don't agree with them' or 'I can say horrible things because their morals don't align with mine' comes from this 'I don't owe anyone anything' attitude - 'I don't anyone anything, even kindness'. YES YOU DO!!!!! You owe people basic respect at the very least, and that really does include not wishing awful things on people. Yeah, so I think this 'I don't owe anyone anything' attitude is a very secular one, and I've seen a definite rise in this attitude with secularisation.
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allthecanadianpolitics · 7 months ago
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The Quebec government says it will table legislation to strengthen secularism in schools, following the latest in a series of reports about Muslim religious practices appearing in some of the province’s public schools. Premier François Legault says there are teachers introducing “Islamist religious concepts” into Quebec schools, in violation of the principle of secularism. His comments follow a report in La Presse that documented students praying in classrooms and hallways and disrupting a play focused on sexually transmitted infections and pregnancy prevention at a high school in Laval, north of Montreal.
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its-terf-or-nothin · 2 months ago
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Anti-Choicers are so hypocritical they should be ashamed of themselves. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a group of people advocate in favor of killing people more than Anti-Choicers. When they’re not outright advocating for murdering people they disagree with all they do is complain about children receiving free school lunches and about how free healthcare shouldn’t be a thing because “muh tax dollars” yet will happily fork over some money to pay those Trump tariffs and are the most war hungry people on the planet.
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w1ng3dw01f · 3 months ago
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Portrayals of Secularism and Religion in Lost, Explained Through Scholarly Thought
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As I rewatched this series with my friends this semester, I realized that Lost (TV 2004) offers a compelling narrative that explores the complex connections and contradictions between secularism and religion. While there are tons of articles about the religious aspects of Lost, there are almost none about the secular, and I wanted to talk about both.
I specifically draw from Talal Asad, Tomoko Masuzawa, Lorraine Daston, Peter Galison and Susan Harding to explore how the show interrogates examples of knowledge production within religion and secularism in ways that reflect and complicate contemporary critiques of secular modernity through the characters and groups.
Introduction / Theoretical Framework:
A way of knowing refers to how different cultures, religions, and societies define and produce knowledge. It is the systems of belief and reasoning that shape how people understand the world. A way of being, on the other hand, is how individuals embody these beliefs in their daily lives. It manifests through traditions, practices, and experiences shaped by their unique social and cultural contexts (Masuzawa, 2005, 12). While they are very much associated with how people have studied religion, these two concepts also tie into secularism. To understand the tension between secularism and religion, it is essential to define them. 
Secularism, a ‘Western’ concept, is often understood as the separation of religion from other aspects of life, such as politics, education, and science. The term has become almost synonymous with modernity, one of secularism’s various projects. It claims neutrality, positioning itself as independent of religious or spiritual influence. However, secularism is not merely an absence of religion. It is a pervasive framework that shapes everything from scientific inquiry to public discourse and everyday life (Asad, 2003, 9; Daston and Galison, 2007, 32). It reflects Eurocentric assumptions about what constitutes legitimate knowledge and practice. Thus, secularism is not a neutral or static concept. 
Conversely, there is a modern concept of religion which overcasts any definition of the term we may have had previously. While religions are generally seen as systems of beliefs, values, and rituals, the way they have been categorized is deeply influenced by Western colonial history. European scholars created hierarchies that positioned Christianity as the dominant or “universal” faith while labeling other traditions as “minor,” “tribal,” or “superstitious.” These classifications were not neutral or natural; they were constructed to reinforce Western dominance over other cultures (Masuzawa, 2005, 11).
Both secularism and religion are shaped by history, power, and Western, Christian, and colonial perspectives. The very notion of separating religion from public life emerged during the Enlightenment, when European powers established their cultural norms as universal while dismissing other ways of knowing as outdated or irrational. Over time, this perspective has cast religion, especially non-Christian ones, as inferior to the secular (Masuzawa, 2005, 14). Even within the West, the boundaries of secularism are constantly shifting, requiring ongoing reinforcement to uphold its authority over alternative ways of understanding the world.
A binary between secularism and religiosity can look like this:
Secular:
- Mastery over nature
- Fact
- Progressive
- Peaceful
- Modern
- Reason
- Free-thinking
- Objective
- Good / Evil 
Religious:
- Harmony with nature
- Fiction/faith
- False
- Regressive
- Violent
- Ancient 
- Dogma
- Brainwashed
- Good / Evil
This boundary is unstable because it can overlap or sometimes, slightly confusingly, be interchangeable. There are many grey areas, typically because these categories are historically constructed rather than inherent and how often they can blur together in practice. These are also common stereotypes rather than inherent truths.
With this theoretical groundwork established, we can now examine how Lost exemplifies these concepts.
Lost, for those who don’t know, is about a group of people whose’ plane (commercial flight) crashes on an island. They need to learn how to survive—together—especially as they navigate the island’s mysteries, the inhabitants of the island, and even a scientific organization that once operated there. Beyond that, there are instances of time travel. And, a constant of the series is non-linear storytelling through flashbacks and flash-forwards.
When I say that Lost is a fantastic tool for exploring the binaries and other tensions between secularism and religion, I mean that in the way the show continuously dramatizes tensions between secular and religious worldviews in ways that align with academic critiques of secularism. Whether intentional or not, the show serves as an exploration of how knowledge is constructed, contested, and destabilized in both historical and contemporary contexts.
Man of Science vs. Man of Faith:
One of the largest themes throughout the show, and the most blaring example of secular and religious discourse being present in this show, is Man of Science vs. Man of Faith, two very different ways of knowing and being. Jack Shephard, the doctor and self-made leader of the survivors of the plane crash, is thematically known as a Man of Science. His training as a surgeon shapes the way he approaches problems. He believes in evidence, logic, and fixing things through practical solutions. John Locke, embracing a more mystical, intuitive way of being while on the island, almost as a sage type, is a Man of Faith. He sees the island as a place of destiny and purpose (Lostpedia). The dynamic of these two characters can be defined as friends and enemies, with their worldviews dictating how they see each other and the world around them. This can be seen in Season 1 episodes, “White Rabbit,” and “Exodus, Part 1," and further in the episodes titled “Orientation,” and “Man of Science, Man of Faith” in season 2. 
One scene from "White Rabbit" shows Jack and Locke in discussion. Jack expresses to Locke his hesitations because he sees his dead father in different parts of the island. It perfectly exemplifies the divide between religious and secular ways of knowing and the binary between the two characters. Additionally, it reflects a broader historical debate about how we define and pursue knowledge, particularly with what can be considered credible (Asad, 2003). This is also not the first time Locke’s perspective is implicitly or explicitly framed as irrational within the show’s narrative, despite being presented as a valid alternative. That reflects how modern secularism privileges science as the dominant way of understanding reality, which is an extensive part of Talal Asad’s and Tomoko Masuzawa’s argument—in their books, “Formation of the Secular,” and “The Invention of World Religions”—that secularism and modernity are historical and political projects rather than a universal truth. 
Furthermore, there are other characters beyond Jack and Locke who experience personal conflicts that blur the secular-religious divide. 
Desmond’s journey is one of the most direct challenges to the modernist faith in empirical knowledge. His experiences on the island blur the lines between rationality and faith. In season 3, after surviving an explosion and exposure to an electromagnetic anomaly, Desmond starts experiencing consciousness-jumping through time (Lostpedia, “Before Your Eyes.”). Later in the series, Daniel Faraday—arguably the show’s most committed “man of science” outside of Jack—attempts to explain Desmond’s experiences through physics, but his theories prove inadequate. Desmond’s survival ultimately depends not on scientific reasoning but on an emotional, almost mystical connection: his love for Penny (Lostpedia, “The Constant”).
In the next season, he begins having prophetic visions, particularly of Charlie’s death. These premonitions are demonstrably real within the logic of the show, yet they defy scientific explanation. This directly challenges the secular assumption that knowledge must be empirical and measurable to be valid. 
By redefining the scientific concept of a “constant” as something deeply personal and unquantifiable, Desmond’s story subverts the idea that knowledge and truth are solely determined by empirical methods. His arc suggests that intuition, love, and premonition—qualities often dismissed as irrational—may hold just as much, if not more, epistemic weight as logic and measurement. This directly undermines the secular assumption that rationality and faith exist in opposition, instead portraying them as intertwined.
Mr. Eko represents a different kind of faith than Locke. As seen in Season 2 Episode 10, before the island, he became a priest through unsavory means tied to a misunderstanding. As a crime lord, he attempted to fly drugs out of Nigeria as there was no market for them. The day of the flight, they disguise themselves as priests. As they were about to take off, his brother Yemi, an actual priest, was shot and killed by the military chasing after them. The plane ended up taking off without Eko and the man was mistaken as a real priest by the military. The man then proceeded to become an actual priest under a fake name to keep himself safe and continue his brother’s work (Lostpedia, “The 23rd Psalm”).
When he sees Yemi’s apparition (the smoke monster in disguise) on the island in season 2, Episode 21, Eko believes it is a divine message, while Locke dismisses it as just another island vision. Unlike Locke’s mystical faith, Eko’s belief is shaped by institutional Christianity but operates independently of rigid doctrine. However, his arc questions religious authority and its intersection with power. His pre-island transformation challenges the secular assumption that religion exists separately from politics and violence. Eko’s rejection of confession, once with Yemi in Nigeria and a second time with the smoke monster on the island, also suggests, similar to Asad, Masuzawa and Harding, that religious meaning is shaped by individual interpretation rather than institutional structures. 
In Season 6, Episode 9, we see Richard Alpert’s backstory. After crashing on the island in 1867 on a ship, gains his immortality (a secularly impossible concept) from Jacob, the protector of the island. This was part of a deal. Jacob would give him immortality and Richard would act as an in-between for Jacob and everyone else who arrives on this island, a good number of whom view Jacob as some kind of deity  (Lostpedia, “Ab Aeterno”). The amount of blind faith Richard has in this man afterwards as he does his bidding and acts as a medium between him and the rest of the island’s inhabitants, reveals the similarities between religious and secular governance structures—both require belief in an unseen guiding force. 
Conversion Narrative and Other Themes Surrounding Fundamentalism:
Locke’s storyline exemplifies a conversion narrative. He goes from an ordinary man to a believer in the island’s mystical destiny. He goes from needing a wheelchair due to a paralyzing injury to being able to walk again, instantly healed when he wakes up upon the crash of the plane. For him, this newfound ability is an undeniable sign of the island’s supernatural power (Lostpedia, “Walkabout”). Like a religious convert interpreting the world through faith, Locke begins to see the island’s influence everywhere and becomes its most ardent believer. His journey aligns with themes explored in Susan Harding’s “The Book of Jerry Falwell”, which examines the intersections of secular, religious, and political discourse in the rise of Fundamentalism and the Born-Again Christian movement. One of her key arguments is that conversion, often marked by baptism, reorients an individual’s worldview. Those who undergo this transformation begin interpreting their experiences through a spiritual or divine lens, seeing evidence of higher powers in everyday life. The converters, once ‘unsaved’ individuals, are then saved (Harding, 2000). Locke’s testimony of transformation parallels what Harding describes as the creation of new subjectivities through evangelical storytelling.
In contrast, Jack has a conversion, which is much more drawn out. He repeatedly challenges Locke and the Others, refusing to accept their faith-based explanations. However, as the series progresses, Jack’s stance changes. Toward the end of the show, he begins to embrace notions of destiny and sacrifice, culminating in a savior complex that ties his sense of purpose to the island. His shift reflects the broader tension between faith and reason—a central theme in both religious and secular discourse.
Furthermore, an actual baptism occurs on the show. Claire asks Eko to baptise her and her baby, Aaron, after Charlie testified over and over again that it was important so the baby could be saved (Lostpedia, “Fire + Water”). It’s an intense, aggressive insistence, especially since his only drive to save the baby came from hallucinations leading him to thinking he had to save the baby. It is never really explained why Charlie had these hallucinations, but the show correlates it to him being a recovering heroin addict. Additionally, it was a discussion with Eko that led Charlie to the conclusions he made. Claire, skeptical but emotionally vulnerable, is upset at Charlie at first for literally taking Aaron and trying to baptise him in the ocean, which might have caused the baby harm. The next day, she also seeks Eko’s advice. Meanwhile, Eko and Claire discuss why a baptism may be important and what that means for her and her baby. Harding notes that testimony works because it often bypasses rational persuasion and instead appeals to emotions of fear, and care (Harding, 2000). Charlie’s tactics fail, but Eko’s gentle way of framing it does. Claire and Aaron end up getting baptised due to the relational trust and belief that Eko fosters. 
A different example of Evangelical Christian dynamics is the (not so cleverly named)  inhabitants of the island: The Others. This is a group of people who mostly end up and decide to live here, but have a strong sense towards protecting themselves. On top of gathering info on them from the outside world (they have a network of people), they have people infiltrate the survivors and pick out those who are deemed “good.” They then take these “good,” people to live with them. To those not deemed “good,” they come off as highly secretive and aloof. Their secrecy, strict initiation processes, and emphasis on faith in the island create a strong insider/outsider divide. Each of these mirrors aspects of Fundamentalism. Conservative Protestants mentioned in Harding’s book had a strong sense of how right they were in their ways of knowing to the point of infiltrating secular spaces to show the truth, and how those not in the religion would have to be set outcasted,  set aside (as Harding herself recounted experiencing) or shepharded’ (Harding, 2000, 64).
Beyond that, many characters undergo moments of “fall and redemption” that echo the structure of evangelical testimonies. The character with the most stretched out fall and redemption arc as well as the most known in the series is “Sawyer” Ford, an asshole conman who becomes a very likeable and reliable leader. This narrative approach is especially prevalent among leaders—religious and political—who use personal stories of past struggles and redemption to establish credibility, a sense of humanity, and gain followers  (Harding, 2000). Jerry Falwell, Francis Shaeffer, and Donald Trump have often utilized this technique. It is in this way, as well as a few other narrative techniques that people such as them like to paint themselves as prophet figures. It can be argued that Benjamin Linus of Lost tries to do similar things in his manipulations of the people around him.
Knowledge Production:
Something important to epistemology and broader scientific knowledge is atlases. Scientific atlases do more than compile knowledge; they actively shape what is considered legitimate and train practitioners in how to see. In their book, “Objectivity,” Daston and Galison describe atlases as tools that refine the scientific eye, a concept that can be applied to Lostpedia’s role in guiding viewers' engagement with Lost. Like an atlas that organizes exemplary images to instruct observers, Lostpedia structures vast amounts of information—from plot details to thematic analyses—helping both new and seasoned fans navigate the show’s intricate world.
As a reference work, Lostpedia reinforces what is significant and how it should be interpreted, much like an atlas that teaches users to categorize specimens. By highlighting recurring numbers, symbolic references, and character arcs, it trains fans to recognize patterns and hidden meanings, shaping their perception of the show just as atlases shape scientific observation. Moreover, Daston and Galison emphasize the immense effort, resources, and meticulous documentation required to produce atlases. While Lostpedia is crowdsourced rather than the work of a single author, it similarly represents a massive collective endeavor to map Lost’s narrative universe—much like anatomical or astronomical atlases map physical realities. Just as atlases for new scientific instruments require even experts to learn how to see anew, Lostpedia provides a dynamic space where fans continuously refine their interpretations as new theories emerge.
Now, to address epistemological frameworks in regards to some groups of characters.
Jacob himself, and his counterpart known simply as the Man in Black by the fandom, or the Smoke Monster in the show, represent another piece of religious and secular knowledge production: good vs evil. Jacob, seen as a deity, wants to prove to the Man in Black, a devil-like figure, that people can be inherently morally good. So, he keeps bringing people to the island (by plane or boat crash, or some other way), and the Man in Black, often through appearing to people as dead loved ones, keeps trying to corrupt them to show that they can’t be inherently morally good (Lostpedia, “Ab Aeterno”). This is a very clear binary between the two that echoes both religious and secular notions. 
Additionally, certain Others more tied to Jacob than most have call and response phrases: (a) What lies behind the shadow of the statue? (b) He who protects us all. This ritual speech functions like a sacred password. It implies a secretive, esoteric system of knowledge and loyalty. It divides insiders from outsiders not based on felt experience or personal narrative, but on access to hidden knowledge and correct performance.
However, just as modern secular states often claim to be neutral while enforcing their ideological structures, Jacob presents himself as a distant, rational authority figure while covertly maintaining control over The Others through Richard. Moreover, Jacob's moral authority mirrors the secular power enacting and legitimizing suffering in the name of a ‘greater good’ (Talal Asad, 2003). The Man in Black, like individuals discussed in Asad’s “On Suicide Bombing,” is cast as irrational and dangerous precisely because he resists the terms of moral order. Such a framework brings knowledge production into sharp focus, particularly with how the show dramatizes who gets to define truth, morality, and reality on the island (Asad, 2007). If we think of the island as a microcosm of the modern world, the conflict between the two becomes not just a moral or spiritual struggle, but a struggle over epistemic authority: who has the right to know, to name, to define what counts as knowledge and what does not.
The D.H.A.R.M.A. Initiative (standing for Department of Heuristics and Research in Material Applications) is thus a perfect juxtaposition to The Others. They were hinted at throughout the series, but were first actually introduced in season 4 (Lostpedia, “Season 4”). Stationed on this island, this organisation is inspired by Hindu and Buddhist concepts of “dharma.” The logos represent the I Ching, a Taoist method of divination. In the show's context, “dharma” refers to a duty or responsibility, interconnectedness, and the pursuit of a "right way of living". The Initiative's stated mission is to study the island's unique properties for the betterment of mankind and world peace, aligning with the Buddhist concept of seeking enlightenment and the Taoist concept of harmony with nature (Lostpedia, “The DHARMA Initiative”). However, the Initiative represents a modern, scientific project of knowledge classification and control, much like 19th-century European anthropology’s approach to “world religions,” explored by Masuzawa. To reiterate, there exist no truly neutral classifications, only defining ways of being through Western secular-modern thought (Masuzawa, 2005, 14). The Initiative embodies a similar colonial impulse regarding the island. Rather than engaging with the island’s mysteries on its or The Other’s terms, they attempt to systematize and dominate the local knowledge, completing electromagnetic experiments because of the Island’s specific properties, and ultimately unintentionally making it possible for a nuclear incident to take place (Lostpedia, “The Incident, Parts 1 and 2” ). The Initiative met its end when The Others (or, The Hostiles, as they were called by DHARMA) wiped them out with gas. The downfall of this group suggests that institutionalized, empirical approaches to knowledge are not universally applicable. Instead, they are an example of how knowledge, scientific or religious, as historically and ideologically constructed, can be the causes for wars to start (Asad, 2007, 49).
The island serves as a liminal space where secular and religious worldviews collapse into each other, reflecting Asad’s critique of secularism as a historical, power-laden construct rather than a neutral, universal condition. It disrupts secular modernity in multiple ways—through Jacob, a mystical protector whose role frames the island as essential to the world’s stability, and through its perceived isolation, which strips away the usual structures that separate science from faith, forcing the survivors to engage with both.
It almost acts as a perfect example and a failed example of Asad’s analogy of secularism as a garden to be cultivated in a jungle. That is to say, secularism is a garden, an ordered, cultivated space that must be constantly maintained against the perceived chaos of the jungle, or religious and “non-rational” forces (Asad, 2003). Yet, on the island, this attempt at control repeatedly collapses, suggesting that the boundaries between science and faith, like those of secularism itself, are far more unstable than they first appear.
This island is also a place where agency—or, in the show’s case, in plainer words, fate and free will—is challenged: How do I reconcile with being stuck on this island? How do I know what to believe? Why are we stuck here? What are ways in which I could leave? Why do I need to go back? Do I have to consider becoming the Protector of this place, thus making it my main focus even though I was once so desperate to leave?
Even when the Oceanic Six do leave the island and return to the real world, this world, which is modern and secular, insists on rational explanations for events the survivors understand as supernatural. This is a clear example of Asad’s idea of secularism’s regulatory power.
And, when they enter the flash-sideways/alternate/purgatory world, this could be an example of an ultimate collapse of these epistemological boundaries—science, faith, and narrative authority dissolve into a post-secular reality where knowledge is experiential and relational rather than objective. Characters must "let go" of their attachments before moving on, similar to religious ideas of reaching enlightenment or heaven. But the fact that this world is not "real" raises questions about interpretations of the afterlife—is salvation a metaphysical truth, or just another constructed reality?
Conclusion:
This show is, to put it mildly, absolutely wild. There is so much packed into it, and it goes every which direction it might go (or at least, that the writers allowed). It can be very profound at times and has impacted thousands of people for thousands of reasons.
That being said, there are heavy themes of secularism and religion, especially the discourse between them, present throughout the series. To reiterate, both main and side characters grapple with profound personal struggles at the intersection of these worldviews, manifesting in a diverse spectrum of experiences. Narratives emanating from both secular and religious perspectives actively shape these characters, not only on an individual level but also as members of a complex, interconnected community. Even the very island itself, a liminal space where the boundaries of science and faith blur, becomes a potent site for this ongoing discourse. Beyond a mere backdrop, the island serves as a crucible, testing the limits of established epistemologies and revealing the constructed nature of our perceived realities. Through the characters' journeys, Lost compels us to reconsider the seemingly rigid binaries that define our understanding of knowledge, authority, and even destiny. Ultimately, the series transcends its genre, offering a nuanced exploration of how we construct meaning in a world where the rational and the mystical are inextricably intertwined, leaving us to ponder the enduring questions of belief, reason, and the very nature of truth itself.
By giving us these dramatizations of the secular and the religious, Lost not only exemplifies some of the ins and outs of both but also manages to critique them in ways that are similar to scholarly works. The show presents a world where epistemologies are historically contingent, socially constructed, and, in some cases, challenged. Through this lens, Lost becomes more than a survival mystery, it serves as a compelling exploration of the constructed nature of knowledge, challenging the rigid boundaries between secular and religious worldviews.
If you want to read more about the intersections of secularism, religion, the colonial projects and more, I highly suggest reading: Tomoko Masuzawa’s “The Invention of World Religions,” Talal Asad’s “Formation of the Secular,” & “On Suicide Bombing,” “Objectivity” by Lorraine Daston and Peter Galison, Saba Mahmood's "Politics of Piety," and “The Book of Jerry Falwell” by Susan Friend Harding. I will say, however, that in terms of accessible readability, Harding’s work is the best, followed by Masuzawa’s, Daston’s, and Galison’s, Mahmood's, then Asad’s.
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karl-marxs-ghost · 2 months ago
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Not anti religious but anti how much society and government panders to people for their hateful beliefs so long as they hold up religion as a shield for it. Like you can say anything so long as you preface it was “my religion says”. Don’t care. Law and morality have to be based on something more concrete than that. Child abuse, women as property, and slavery are very much a part of many religious traditions but that does not mean they are morally correct or should be legal nor should anything else.
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