#2017 ziam

[louisisalarrie]

Ooh, please tell me more about how Shiall today might relate to Larry? I’ve been keeping an eye on Niall, and I have so many thoughts, but I’m mostly just confused!

heya anon, and welcome to the show!

now, I want to start this off by saying I haven’t had much to do with the Shiall stuff, so I’m not an expert on it. But, here are a couple of my thoughts as to why this is an interesting turn of events, and what this means for larry.

so, it’s been pretty interesting seeing all the Shiall stuff online since the show happened. And well… I’ve seen a lot of larries/ziams also now start shipping Shiall, which is interesting, and while Shiall has never been as big as Larry or even Ziam, it blew up the fandom and even got headlines in the press. So… let’s have a deeper dive.

Now… people have believed in Shiall or at least entertained the idea of them together since at least 2017. It’s not a new thing whatsoever. But since the show of them performing together, it has become pretty huge. And there are a lot of solos reaaaaallllyyyy hating that, and it’s becoming a bit beefy between the niall girls and the shiall believers (which is yikes because can everyone just be nice to each other for a god damn second Jesus Christ) so it’s now dividing nialls otherwise pretty chill fandom. Which is new for him, and will be interesting to see how it’s handled. But so far in the press? It’s going well for him.

He’s gotten a write up in a few outlets which all have a similar headline of “Niall Horan Surprises Fans by Bringing Out Shawn Mendes at London Concert” (US Weekly). But, Rolling Stone really went all out here:

Now, I dunno about you… but adding “fellow lover boy” and “that’s my boy” to a headline 100% grabs attention and maybe implies a bit more than just pals. In my marketing and journalism experience/study, this would absolutely fall under seeding and somewhat subconsciously sways the reader into further curiosity about Niall and Shawn’s relationship.

What’s funny about this, is 1 week prior to the show, Elle posted this article out of quite literally nowhere. Shawn and Camila haven’t been spotted together since (to my knowledge) April of 2023 when they were photographed kissing at Coachella. So… why was this dropped a week prior?

Anyway, Niall is still signed to Modest mgmt, who we’ve watched control narratives and PR ops for the last 13 years. So, it’s safe to say we can see a bit of a pattern here, but it feels different this time too… right?

Niall’s mgmt would 110% know about the Shiall rumours. They’ve been around for over 6 years, and have continued to grow in popularity over the past couple of years particularly. It’s very obviously a topic that the fandom talk about, and that a lot believe in. So, to allow niall to bring on stage someone who his fans believe he’s actually dating as opposed to his “gf” who was also in the crowd that night (not that literally anyone cared lol) feels very freeing. Do modest and Niall not care about the rumours? Is it actually true and he managed to convince his team to let him do it in exchange of staying with his gf for longer? Or is it something entirely different?

Well… it’s a tricky one.

Modest have been well known to closet artists for years. We’ve seen it with larry, and other young men too. So, why the change of heart? Essentially encouraging rumours by giving this the go ahead, and rolling stone weirdly quickly posting that article with those particular words in the headline, why now?

It’s good PR, sure. It’s beneficial for Shawn to get back into the headlines more after not performing for 12 months, and gives nialls tour a bit of a boost. But i would argue that it’s encouraging Shiall. And I would also argue that modest have actively tried to squash gay rumours for years with larry (we will talk about the Union J shit show another time and just stick with larry for this) so it’s interesting that they’re encouraging it. But it’s been a pretty nice little test drive for larry, hasnt it?

In no way has Shiall divided the fandom to the same point as Larry, but the love we all saw for shiall (whether we believed in them being romantically linked or not, it was incredibly wholesome) from around the fandom was very loud. I saw a hell of a lot more positive chats than negative (and I looked deeper than just my timeline) and so it was pretty safe to say that it went well for the most part.

People are saying that niall might have done it behind his team’s back because Shawn was placed in Paris hours earlier, but that’s just a reminder of something we already know that we can’t trust photos to be released on the same day at the same time they are taken, but I think he’d get in a hell of a lot of trouble for that. So I’m not on board with that idea.

So I guess to put it down to a couple of options to sum this up:

a) modest has flipped the script and is okay with Shiall because they’re actually not dating (unlike how they handled larry because they were) and it’s all just rumours and niall and his gf aren’t bothered from it so it’s fine because it’s some good publicity

b) niall and Shawn actually are dating and his team is seeding a coming out, testing the waters with the fandom, perhaps try to encourage larry to sign with them again due to how “free thinking” they are now

c) nialls contract allows him to have more control over different aspects of his career so he was able to just invite him up there no matter what narrative is being pushed in his personal life

So… what’s this mean for larry and why have I rambled on for 3-5 business days?

Well…

Niall is dealing with the same rumours with Shawn as H and L do with each other. He is actively showing the fans that believing in a relationship between two dudes in fact doesn’t ruin their lives and families and their girlfriends are crying all the time, and he’s also showing other mgmt teams that you can do this shit without the world falling to pieces (aka the V*nes and Az*ff losers) whether or not it’s true. It’s a very small step in the right direction, but it’s a really good one. So I think yeah it’s important to see what this means for Larry and their next steps, because niall has made it look pretty simple. But I think we should keep watching this all very closely.

[awesomefringey]

Hello Sabine! I have only recently (~half a year ago) joined this fandom, and I have a question regarding people around HL reacting to/speaking about Larries. From old posts I've seen, it used to happen a lot that their relatives or other people like Liam would speak really bad about Larries on SM, even way into the hiatus when they were not with Modest anymore. But ever since I joined, I have not seen one single interaction like that, but more rather things like Gemma's recent story, which seems like they are now even giving subtle hints (of course we don't know if it's meant like that). Do you have an estimate when it was that the Larrie thrashing stopped? Or can you give me a recommendation who on Tumblr would have documented stuff like this and would know? Thanks a lot!! :-)

Welcome to the hell hole, nonnie! 😄💜

I didn’t track all the times people have denied Larry or talked shit about Larries. But it’s fair to say over the course of 1D and beyond, Larries have always been an easy target.

Gemma called people/larries in the comment section of her IG ‘mental’ at some point because they kept flooding her posts about Larry proof. And last year, she debunked old tweets as fake. But I wouldn’t call either Larry denials per se. She just pushed back on Larries quite a bit especially when she was used to back up any theories, which is absolutely fair. See a wonderful and enlightening comment on her motivation here.

Of course, Zayn’s Larry/Ziam denial, and him accusing fans for forcing Larry to show no affection, which was back in 2015.

I remember Liam denying Larry when he was asked by a fan a few years back. I mean, what do people expect him to say? 🤦🏼‍♀️

And well, in 2017, Louis’ “there’s genuinely seriously obviously no truth to it” when asked about the Larry organisation and I couldn’t have asked for a better Larry denial. 😂

Maybe Lou Teasdale was the last one to cackle about Larries during a podcast episode she was invited to back in 2020. Her and Eleanor’s IG and snapchats were involved in a Larrie investigation after Louis’ and Harry’s voice could be heard in the background. I bet she’s never had that much interest in her account before but with the podcast she made sure, people were reminded that she was an idiot.

But beyond that - I don’t know… 🤔

@skepticalarrie @daisiesonafield-blog @twopoppies Do you have tags for Larry denials tags for this nonnie?

[ziamminds]

sorry not really a question just want to say I miss ziam so much and it's hard to find an active ziam acc now:((( thanks for still here

Hello👋

So happy that Ziams still alive, actually! We live without any content for months, and I still remember how active I was in 2017 and now I'm barely here but I'm still a Ziam 💪 And I miss them so so much 😫😫😫😫

Thank you ❤ Some Ziam gifs for you 💪

[justapayneaway]

Hi ! Hope you're well.

So to preface this ask I just want to clarify I mean no negativity in the question I have!!

But, I was shown some old posts of yours (in those recommended posts section, not stalking you 🙈) where you were fully in support of liam and sophia, and I was just wondering what your thoughts are on the history of Liams public relationships over the years. When did you start believing that they're not fully legit like you seem to now? That these women/the people in charge of him don't actually have his best interests at heart? Was it Cheryl and the whole weird pregnancy thing ? Did you also support Liam and Danielle (1 and 2.0)? What about Zayn and the years' long perrie and gigi situationships? Do you think bear and khai are their children? or do you think it's more of a mutually beneficial, these women wanted kids and didn't want to be known as single mothers type cover?

Again, no hatred id love your thoughts on the issue. Obviously fans who've been around for years change their opinions (:

Hi :)

Oh wow those posts were made a long time ago lmao

But the honest answer is very simple: when I entered the fandom, I did it with a few friends and I was mostly keeping an eye on the larrie fandom (seeing the aspects of a possible relationship between Louis and Harry). I was already a big 1D fan and Liam was always my favorite, but I wasn't looking too deep into the other boys' relationships (Zayn and Perrie or even Liam and Sophia).

I wasn't in the fandom when Danielle was around so my opinion is based on past things I've seen about her. And it might have even been a real for a while, but later on it seemed a bit forced from the few things I saw.

I started to question the others relationships after the public break up with Sophia. Things seemed a bit weird, but I wasn't very vocal about it because I wasn't sure what it meant. But then things with Cheryl (aka the lady) started and that whole thing was a clusterfuck of PR from the very first moment! It was pretty obvious it was something that Liam needed to do even at the end of 2015 with Simon's push. After that I just couldn't believe anything that happened in regards to his public relationships... things always happened to fast and in such a fake way that made me label them all as PR relationships.

As for Zayn, I liked Perrie for a while but then again everything seemed fabricated to fit a narrative in 1D days and I never believed in that whole thing with Gigi! It always made me laugh and seemed forced as fuck. A strategic way to push her more into the world since when that thing started Zayn was very influential due to leaving the band. And not to even mention all the times they tried to bring it back in strategic moments to push her image into a more positive place.

I think me starting to believe in Ziam was a thing that happened mostly in 2016/2017 when I started to look a little more deeply into their story and connections. How narratives seemed to be similar and connect in a lot of moments!

So in regards to the kids that are mentioned, I'm always a bit on the defense and don't like to talk much about it because one can't ever be sure. But generally, I don't think those kids are theirs. A lot of things don't add up in both stories and were very weird, but I prefer not to mention it a lot because at the end of the day there are kids involved.

P.S. no worries and sorry it took me so long to answer you, but I wanted to have the time to explain it :)

[ipoddymouth]

kinda crazy that liam and zayn are the flops of 1d now harry's obvi successful, niall's doing pretty well himself, louis is more niche but he's doing his thing in that niche meanwhile zayn is retired and nobody even knows that he had a 2nd and 3rd album and liam is busy getting buccal fat removed ziam is real ig

naurrrr the thing is i don't think zayn is actually a flop?????? i feel like being a flop implies you actually TRIED to stay relevant and get big and famous, but i don't think zayn ever did? he dropped his court-mandated post-1D album and then yeeted himself into the woods like hillary clinton in 2017 giajgligjlgijgilstg because when you think about it, every few years he pops up as a feature on a song that gets a billion streams on spotify despite doing 0 promo. i think zayn likes singing his lil forest tunes but has no intention on actually ever being famous Like That ever again

liam tho........tiktok christmas was a war crime

[ohthathurt]

these extra Hoes™ aka the Malik-Paynes

Liam arrived in Vancouver wearing the infamous Cartier Love Bracelet (also worn by Zayn on several occasions last year) on 3rd Sept.

He proceeded to wear it on stage for his performance at iHeartRadio’s Beach Ball the same day

Meanwhile, we have Zayn who released a smashing teaser trailer for the MV of his new upcoming single DTD on 3rd Sept.

And lo and behold, on his Delicate Wrist™, sits an Alexander McQueen Braided Bracelet a la early 2017 Ziam (also seen on Liam around the same time)

and lets not even talk about the comback of the Eyebrow slit

now to all the antis and haters:

[pterodactylbros]

2017 video is now out! We had a few complications with this video because of copyright claims therefore we weren’t able to include some interviews. However, we were able to include the written accounts so hopefully that’s not too much of an issue. We also had some complaints on the 2016 video of not including everything that happened and we’d like to remind those people that it’s very difficult keeping track of everything that happened and we’re trying our best with these videos so that the ziam fandom has timeline videos like these available so please try to appreciate and enjoy them! Also our videos might be blocked so if you’re experiencing this please let us know!

As always we appreciate the love and support!

https://youtu.be/uZoPgUndODg

[tarnished-butsogrand]

The feeling when you finally find the fanfic that had touched you so much the first time you had read it years ago that you leave no stone unturned to look for it even though you have forgotten the name of story and the author.

[neonredglow]

You said that boys not so close now. Who exactly you mean?

lowkey all of them, but that’s natural. when they were all in the band together they saw each other everyday for hours a day so ofc they became friends, close friends even. but the band’s been on hiatus for years and they don’t have to see each other anymore so they... don’t. like when you leave school or a job, you’re not going to stay in touch with everyone cause some people you were only friends with because it was convenient. 

[princessyummy]

Sophisticated Zayn😍🤓

[ziamshipperx]

MIL PERDONES!

Ya se que me deben odiar por haberme borrado del mapa por todo este tiempo, y encima que hice miles de promesas de que iba a poder seguir actualizando pero bueno, no las cumplí. Por eso les pido perdón, obvio no les voy a prometer nada más porque ni yo creería en esas promesas.

Ahora viene a historia en donde les explico que pasó. Antes de que se me empezara a dificultar el poder escribir al menos unas pocas cosas todos los días, en la escuela me estaban exigiendo mucho, estaba en mi último año así que obviamente tenía que esforzarme mucho más. Por eso dejé de lado mi tumblr, mi tw, y otras cuentas fandoms Y personales. 

En Noviembre mi celular llegó a ese temible momento en donde muere, ahr, y cuando pude conseguir otro, me olvidé por cmpleto de varias apps que tenía en mi viejo celular, y lamentablemente, Tumblr era una de esas. Como ya no tenía la aplicación, no me llegaban las notificaciones, que eran las que me hacían acordar de la cuenta, y de que hay personas que necesitan leer, o que les interesa lo que publicaba, (gracias a esas notificaciones yo escribía lo poco que escribía antes de que se me rompiera el celular). 

Hace unos días en instagram me apareció una foto de Zayn y Gigi, y en los comentarios, había una Ziam Shipper latina que bueno, no voy a repetir el comentario pero creería que ya saben de que se trata... Ese comentario me hizo acordar de la cuenta y de Ziam, así que me bajé la aplicación, y recién hoy me pude acordar de la contraseña...

Pero bueno, cuando entré vi que tengo muchas notificaciones y que no son viejas, es decir que hay personas que todavía ven el blog, y que todavía se interesan por este ship. Así que todo esto, en resumen, es un agradecimiento y unas sinceras disculpas. Espero que podamos seguir con toda la buena onda del mundo!

[gresstuff]

ZIAM LAYOUTS. 🌼🍃🌹z fetus icons + liam 2017 headers

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[ziamminds]

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[happieasa]

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[twopoppies]

Do you think Harry played Kiwi 3 times to represent the 3 (1D) bgs? I know you pretty much stick to answering questions about Larry so please disregard if this offends you or you don't want to respond to a question that involves Ziam. Also, thank you for creating and up keeping your site. It is definitely a go to when the PR machine starts to create anxiety and doubts.

No honey. I don't think so at all. He sang Kiwi twice at the Troubadour in 2017, he sang it three times at the end of the last tour in 2018. It's just his thing.

[princessyummy]

Grammys🏆