#Before The Dawn

[youruinedmylifebynotbeingreal]

If you’ve read the E. C. Myers books you know that Sun doesn’t really see himself as a leader until the end of Before the Dawn and not many respect him as a leader throughout the book either, including Coco. So this?? This look here?? This growth of him and Coco simultaneously coming to a decision and checking with each other? Likely using Fox’s team speak to formulate a plan?

It’s such a small blink and you’ll miss it detail that I’ve not noticed until now and it’s making me emotional.

It’s about the mutual admiration!! The respect!!

[ape-apocalypse]

Road To The Kingdom - My Planet Of The Apes Retrospective

With the hype for Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes on the rise, I decided to do a bit of a deep dive into the trilogy of reboot movies starring the incredible Andy Serkis and the various tie-in titles.

Why ramble on about a series that most people seem to overlook? Well, I think back to an interaction I had here on Tumblr in 2017, just one week before War For The Planet Of The Apes came out. While scrolling through the POTA tags, I found a post that wondered if anyone was actually excited for the new film or if the studio hadn't gotten the message and was making it for an audience that didn't exist. I responded that I was genuinely excited for the new film, that I loved the motion capture apes and the action scenes and the surprisingly engaging story, and would be seeing it opening weekend. The other person seemed surprised by my honest answer and apologized for their snarkiness (a truly shocking turn of events in the history of the Internet!).

I explained that I'd gone into these films thinking of them like Jurassic World series; I wasn't there for a great story and deep writing, I just wanted to see dinosaurs destroy things. So when I went into the POTA films, just expecting to see fun action movies with monkey chaos and apocalyptic results, I was surprised that I was swept up in the characters and their stories. I loved seeing the life of Caesar from tiny carefree baby to resilient revolutionary to fearsome leader, and the lives of all the humans and apes around him. The other poster said they hadn't actually seen the movies, just expected them to be shallow cash-grabs on reboot nostalgia, but they might have to reconsider giving them a shot after my enthusiastic response.

So if I can sway the minds of anyone who has written off these films, more movie tickets sold might mean more films and other media told in this ape apocalypse world!

And even if you already know and love the films, I also want to give some love to tie-in materials. Books, comics, YouTube shorts, video games; POTA has a surprisingly large catalog of bonus material for a series not considered mainstream like Marvel or Lord Of The Rings or Star Trek. I don't see them get many mentions in the fandom so hope a little spotlight on them can help them shine. They have delicious tidbits of world-building and character backstory, filling in gaps between the movies. I already have my fingers crossed there will be some tie-in material covering some of the huge time jump between War and Kingdom. With three hundred years passing between them, there is so much to learn about the ever growing and changing ape societies. I'm eager for any scrap of info they'll share!

But really, even if nothing I write changes anyone's mind about this franchise, it's still fun to gush about one of my favorite fictional universes.

My brief history with POTA was that I didn't know much about the original films before going into the new Andy Serkis trilogy. I'd heard enough about the original film to know the main beats of the first movie (quotes like 'damn dirty ape', the reveal of the planet being Earth with the Statue of Liberty). I saw the Tim Burton film which didn't leave any kind of impression other than the incredibly realistic costumes/make-up, so much so that I was apprehensive of the CG apes. Since getting into the new films, I've started watching the originals and may cover those just for fun.

So whether you're a long-time die hard fan or a fresh face to Caesar's legacy, I hope you'll enjoy my thoughts on the Planet of the Apes franchise!

Links to all my posts as they are released:

- Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes Film

- Prelude and Contagion Comics

- Motherboard YouTube Shorts

- Firestorm Tie-In Novel

- Fall Of Man Comics

- Dawn Tie-In Comic

- Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes Film

- Revelations Tie-In Novel

- Last Frontier Video Game

- Crisis Video Game

- When Worlds Collide Comics

- War For The Planet Of The Apes Film

- War Tie-In Comic

- Caesar's Story Novel

[howlingday]

Just need to cross our fingers they don't try and write Sun they way they did in the After the Fall book. I haven't read it, but I've heard how they treat Sun in that book. He's not my favorite character, but I don't want to read something that borderline bashes someone who's supposed to be a well loved character.

"You did a bad thing that's bad." That summarizes the dialogue involving Sun.

OH, BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

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So, not only do they make Sun out to be the bad guy for leaving his team behind on multiple occasions, BUT they also make him out to be a total dickhead towards TRAUMA VICTIMS! Yeah, so, students continuing their education at Shade and were right there watching the deaths of dozens if not hundreds of people, including their own teammates, Sun and a bunch of other Shade students bash on the survivors, calling them "The Beacon Brigade" as an insult.

In his defense, it's part of the culture of Vacuo. Due to the harsh environment of the desert surrounding the towns and cities, be it because of the Grimm or the sandstorms or the sinkholes, the people of Vacuo are semi-nomadic, with the exception being major cities like Shade and Oscuro Academy cities. As a result, the people of Vacuo have developed a "take what you need" and "survival of the fittest" complex where the only people who matter are the ones who are still alive and useful. Got a blind child like Fox? Leave him to the Grimm. Did your whole family die in a sinkhole? Get over it and move on.

So Sun stands up in the middle of the meeting with all these poor kids suffering from trauma and says, "This whole thing is stupid! You all need to get over it!"

Imagine standing up in the middle of support group for soldiers, because, let's face it, that's what Huntsmen and Huntresses are, and telling them to just "get over it."

Vacuo is a fucking shitpit and Sun pulling this shit makes him a garbage character. CRWBY literally said "fuck this monkey man".

GOD I AM SO DONE WITH THESE FUCKING BOOKS!

[soldieress]

[Fic Update] Before the Dawn, Chapter 10

Kimetsu no Yaiba ● Canon Divergence, Rengoku Lives AU | Rengoku & Tanjirou centered, Rengoku/Giyuu slowburn Rated T, Multi-Chaptered Contains future manga spoilers.  Summary: After narrowly surviving Akaza’s attack, Rengoku is faced with a potential truth: the road to recovery is long and uncertain, and he may never return as he was. Not all hope is lost, however, and he makes good on his promise to take Kamado Tanjirou under his wing. The boy has potential as a Pillar—someone who could even surpass him and take the mantle one day, but first, Rengoku’s got to get him into shape.  And then there’s Giyuu—quiet, mysterious and seemingly closed-off Giyuu—who isn’t anything like Rengoku expected, and who may just be the one person he doesn’t need to hide away from.

Chapter 10: here

[wangxianficrecs]

Before the dawn by apathyinreverie

Before the dawn

by apathyinreverie (@apathyinreverie)

T, WIP, 4k, Wangxian

Summary: Where Lan Qiren reacts a little differently to Wei Wuxian’s remarks in class and, instead of punishing him, resolves to take him under his wing, intent on ensuring that Wei Wuxian’s obvious talent isn’t wasted on the wrong path. How that decision then leads to the entire cultivation world caught in a sort wooing war around Wei Wuxian, all of the sects attempting to poach him from his adopted clan, even he couldn’t tell you. - Wei Ying is simply confused, halfway convinced it must be some sort of prank for the other disciples to keep gifting him with what looks suspiciously like courting requests. Well, at least Lan Zhan doesn’t seem to have joined in on the madness. Right? Kay's comments: I really love AUs that make more use of genius Wei Wuxian and especially if they take a look at what might have happened if Lan Qiren nutured his inventing tendencies instead of being just another autority figure who punishes Wei Wuxian for his parentage during the Cloud Recesses Study arc and I really enjoyed the flavour of jealous Lan Wangji in this story as well. Excerpt: As expected, a mere few seconds later, Wei Ying appears, grin broad in his obvious excitement as he sprints along the walkways, clearly with a goal in mind. A goal which, however, is not Lan Zhan. Though, Wei Ying does slow slightly at spotting him making his way across the courtyard. “Hi Lan Zhan!” he exclaims brightly, his smile broad and honest and genuine at the sight of him, but also not pausing for so much as a second. Yelling is not permitted in the Cloud Recesses, his mind reminds succinctly. Again, he says nothing, watches as Wei Ying darts past him, a clear goal in mind, namely towards the hall where Lan Zhan knows his own uncle tends to hold council this time of day. Admittedly, Wei Ying does slow enough to pause in front of the door to said hall, announcing his presence and then waiting impatiently to be called inside. The sight of him impatiently hopping from foot to foot as he waits, so joyous and eager about showing off his newest idea to someone, grin unabating, eyes still widened excitedly with whatever he is about to present to Lan Qiren, talisman papers clutched in his hand, so obviously delighted at the mere thought of having someone to show his inventions to, someone who will listen and let him explain and even argue details and different approaches with him… The sight has something within Lan Zhan soften helplessly.

pov lan wangji, pov wei wuxian, oblivious wei wuxian, jealous lan wangji, cloud recesses study arc, mutual pining, not jiang family friendly, good person lan qiren, genius wei wuxian, inventor wei wuxian, canon divergence, falling in love

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[strqyr]

having thoughts about this one lads:

"Carmine always had a soft spot for the Asturias twins," Bertilak explained. "She used to call Gill 'Queenie' in school. She bought into their whole royalty thing big time. I think she just wanted to get as far away from the Atlesian way of life as possible." He laughed. "Ironic that she left Atlas so she wouldn't be pressured into joining their militia, but here she is, part of another dictator's army." "What about you?" Sun asked. "What did you see in them?" Bertilak was unashamed. "I bought into the promise of being rich and helping to rule a kingdom. I don't care if they're really heirs to the throne or whatever nonsense. If you have the power to take something, then that's all the birthright you need. Jax and Gill have a lot of power." He scowled. "Some of it even came from me." Sun pressed him for more. "Does it bother you they thought you were more useful as a battery than in the battle?" he asked. Bertilak shrugged. "It's a paycheck."

idk. there are just some... vibes. if the asturias twins were salem, then the way bertilak talks about carmine is giving me more tyrian, his dedication to salem, how he calls her 'a goddess' and 'a queen', whereas bertilak talking about himself is giving me more mercury / cinder; "salem's promised us everything. we wing this thing for her, we'll be top dogs in her new world. what more do you want?" <- a promise of being rich and helping to rule a 'kingdom' for merc, while for cinder it's about taking whatever power the enemy has, about being more worthy of it than others, and being strong enough to take it by force.

but also: does it bother you they thought you were more useful as a battery than in the battle?

lol. lmao, even.

[oddlyhale]

(Except from Before the Dawn, Velvet speaks to her father.)

Our boy James Ironwood was on first name bases with Velvet's dad. I love that he always wants to be referred to by his first name than his official title, that's so adorable.

AND A MILITARY FAMILY DISCOUNT

[k-i-l-l-e-r-b-e-e-6-9]

Judas Priest - Before The Dawn

[obbystars]

I’m back to my roots I ran into a lobby where it’s playing Before the Dawn music

dude I LOVED Before the Dawn, it was all I would play back then

[daitranscripts]

Before the Dawn Deleted Dialogue

Various snippets of dialogue that didn’t make it into the final cut of the game - listed in scene order.

Before the Dawn Masterpost

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Cullen: I should have learned to be surprised by nothing.

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Cullen: People? The red templars are making lyrium out of people?

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Dagna: Wait! Inquisitor, I have something! Dagna: Perfect timing, Inquisitor. Samson’s armor is fascinating.

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Cullen: One moment please, Inquisitor.

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Cullen: Inquisitor! Good news. We’ve found Samson.

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Cullen: I’ll arrange for a compliment of soldiers to accompany us.

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Dialogue options:

You’re coming along? PC: You want to raid Samson’s headquarters with us?

[black-arcana]

New Horizon ➢ Before The Dawn (feat. Elize Ryd)

[neptunevasilias]

Sage Ayana in Before the Dawn breakdown

The cover: Present in the very back. Don’t blink now! This is his most important appearance.

Prologue: While saving Sun from his attackers, Velvet uses hard light copies of Neptune and Scarlet’s weapons as a passive-aggressive reminder that he’s leaving his team behind while he sneaks out at night. She doesn’t use Sage’s weapon. As the attackers run off Sun thinks to himself that those people are lucky more of his friends didn’t show up (I will be including references to Team SSSN as a whole, clarifying when Sage is or isn’t specified). Velvet asks him where his team is, and if they know where he is. Sun thinks that if Scarlet, Sage, and Neptune (each name is listed) heard about him getting saved by Velvet and Yatsuhashi, they’d never let him live it down. Sage is said to have been giving Sun the silent treatment.

Chapter 1: Sage glares at Sun while they talk with Team CFVY in the lower courtyard. Team SSSN is said to have bragged about saving CFVY at the end of the last book. Sage says he’s been wondering why they came to Shade instead of waiting for Haven to reopen. Neptune says he came because Sun hyped up how fun Vacuo is, and Sage responds with “Has Vacuo been fun so far?” When Neptune asks Sun and Scarlet not to fight, Sage mutters “At least not in front of other teams.” While CFVY has a discussion in teamspeak (Fox’s semblance that lets select people have a telepathic conversation), “Sun, Scarlet, Sage, and Neptune had reached a new level of anger.” Nothing that Sage said is specified. Coco scares them into being quiet by standing up.

Chapter 2: Scarlet and Sage trail behind the group, “as if trying to show they weren’t really with them.” Velvet in the narration compares the low wall around the Shade campus to the message that Scarlet and Sage were sending by walking behind them: “We’re a part of you, but we are separate.” Sage asks why the people of Vacuo don’t drink the water from the Weeping Wall. Sun tells him it’s because then the wall would dry up. While looking at the missing posters, Sage asks “Where’d they go?” Scarlet pats his arm and says “They wouldn’t be missing if we knew where they are.” “Oh, right.” SSSN and CFVY take pictures of the posters.

Chapter 3: The Beacon Brigade, the support group for Shade students who survived Beacon, invite SSSN to join them. Velvet welcomes Sun, Scarlet, Sage, and Neptune individually. While Sun and Scarlet argue, his narration says that “he still couldn’t figure out what was going on with Scarlet.” Sage being angry with him isn’t mentioned.

Chapter 4: Coco is described as having had a little argument with Sun and Scarlet about changing their patrol strategy, Sage isn’t mentioned. Fox tells Coco that he noticed she didn’t split up Scarlet and Sage, who are guarding the wall that separates the campus and the city. Coco says “it’s what Scarlet wanted” in reference to where they are patrolling, but it could also possibly mean that being with Sage is what he wanted too. As Coco and Fox stop an kidnapping attempt, she tells Fox to call in Sun and Neptune. Fox reaches out to Velvet, Yatsuhashi, Scarlet, and Sage too, not knowing who’s in range of his teamspeak. Fox tells Sun and Neptune to go to where they are, and adds “Scarlet and Sage, you, too, if you can hear me.” Sun and Neptune show up, but Scarlet and Sage don’t. They could hear him, though, because after they chase the kidnappers to a building Scarlet responds after Fox says he can sense Rumpole in there. Scarlet says the guy they saved threatened to report them once they found out they were only students, and Sage corrects him saying that the guy probably cared more that they were foreign students.

Chapter 5: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 6: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 7: In the narration summarizing how things have been since reinitiation, Scarlet says he’s been careful around Neptune and Sage because he doesn’t want them to think he’s too thrilled about it, because he genuinely liked them. “But poor Sage was still stuck with Sun, on Team SSEA […]. And Sage had been designated team leader, too, which was proof of the utter randomness of the exercise. Good luck with that, Scarlet thought.” In a flashback to when they first met Theodore, Theodore remarks on how Sun grew up in Vacuo but chose to attend “Mistral Academy” (Haven, the mistake is from the book). He then looks sternly at Scarlet, Sage, and Neptune. Sun says he wanted to see more of the world before settling down, and Sage snickers because Sun doesn’t realize he’s just insulted Theodore and Rumpole. Theodore asks which one is the leader, knowing it’s not Neptune but not knowing which of the other three it is. He says “It’s Sun, Scarlet, Sage… One of you, yes?” In sparring class, Scarlet exchanges looks with Neptune and Sage before they leave with their respective new teams. “They didn’t need Fox’s team-speak to know they shared the same thought: What is going on?”

Chapter 8: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 9: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 10: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 11: In Neptune’s narration, he says the dorms at Shade are much smaller than the suite that he’d shared with Sun, Scarlet, and Sage.

Chapter 12: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 13: Sage is part of the help that Fox brought to Coco’s team. Sage asks if the large group of people nearby that Fox senses is a nearby settlement. When they all realize they need to dig through the sand to get to the secret base, Sage kicks some up and says it’ll take a while, and they didn’t bring shovels. Sage rolls his eyes when Nolan offers to stay behind and keep watch. Scarlet elbows him and shakes his head, guessing that Sage thought Nolan was being a coward. Reese comes up with a plan for who will go down which of the branching paths, saying Fox will go with Sage. When Gillian says to bring in the army so she can strengthen them for the fight, Sage says “I don’t like the sound of that.”

Chapter 14: “[Velvet had] been quiet on the trip back from the Mirage last night and during the morning’s discussion with Rumpole, Neptune, Scarlet, and the newly returned group from the Wastelands.” The narration here makes the odd choice to list Neptune and Scarlet by name, but seemingly relegate Sage to being part of the rest of the larger group. When Sun says he could use a little less excitement, Sage says “Did everyone hear that? Are we sure he still isn’t brainwashed? Because that sure doesn’t sound like the Sun I know.” Sun asks him if he wants to come too, and Sage says “Don’t you know it.” So he presumably went along with the rest of them to Finn’s house, but there was no mention of him in that scene.

Chapter 15: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned (this is a chapter from Jax’s POV where he talks to a captured Yatsuhashi).

Chapter 16: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned, although he is presumably in Theodore’s office with everyone else.

Chapter 17: Members of the Beacon Brigade are the first to respond to Theodore’s announcement to meet in the courtyard with their weapons to defend the school. Sun rallies his team to follow him. Sage and Neptune wave in support as Scarlet tells Sun to go help Velvet stop Gillian’s approach.

Chapter 18: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 19: Sage isn’t seen or mentioned.

Chapter 20: Sage asks Coco if she wants help fighting a brainwashed Yatsuhashi, Coco says no. Sage says “on your left” as he runs past Neptune to attack a woman who turned invisible, his sword passing though air. The invisible woman kicks him in the back, he swings again and misses. Neptune starts to laugh before realizing he should help.

Chapter 21: Neptune sees Theodore walk up to fight Yatsuhashi, and calls out “Hey look! This should be good.” It’s unclear if he’s calling out to no one in particular or not, but if it’s someone specific it could be Sage.

Epilogue: Sun apologizes to his team for leaving, and says they were there for him even though he wasn’t there for them. Sage says “Wow” and holds out his hand, which Neptune and Scarlet put Lien into. Sun asks what that was for, and Sage says “We had a bet on whether you would ever give us a real apology. And I just won.” Sun is hurt that Neptune bet against him, and says “Sage is my new bestie.” Scarlet says he’s realized that Sun isn’t the worst leader out there, and Neptune and Sage nod in agreement. Scarlet gestures to himself, Neptune, and Sage saying that they had all decided to go to Vacuo because they wanted to keep the team together. Sage agrees, saying “We may be in Vacuo, but at least we’re in Vacuo together.” Sun tries to get a hug out of his team, but Scarlet walks away and Sage shakes his head (Neptune embraced Sun). Sun thinks to himself that he can always count on Team SSSN. Later, Scarlet, Sage, and Neptune and Velvet join Sun to Starr’s dojo. Sun almost forgets to invite the rest of his team in. Sage gives “a dorky salute” to Starr. Sun says “They’re kinda my family too.” Starr says she’s going to like them. Sun says “they’re idiots, but they grow on you.” Everyone introduces themselves to Starr and they talk about recent events.

[ape-apocalypse]

Road To The Kingdom - Before The Dawn YouTube Shorts

The three 'Before The Dawn' short films were created by Motherboard in association with 20th Century Fox, the studio running the Planet of the Apes films. They were aired as promos in the months before Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, meant to bridge the gap between Rise and Dawn. They focus on human survivors trying to make it through each day as society falls apart around them.

Spread Of Simian Flu takes place in Year 1 post-outbreak and features a family where the mother is locked in quarantine while the father and daughter visit her. The mother tries to be cheery for her daughter while the father lies about them having a safe place to live. It is bittersweet to see the family on both sides of the quarantine glass lying to the other to keep their spirits up. They hold onto hope for one another while searching for food and shelter.

Struggling To Survive is five years after the outbreak. The focus of this short is a woman and the boy in her care trying to survive while power begins to fail in the city. She finds luxury items and trades them for food and other necessities, thinking on how those she trades with are clinging to the past rather than planning for the future. This internal monologue is very condescending, a stark contrast to the strained but still present hope of the family in the first short. Perhaps that was the intent, showing the bitterness needed to survive as the years go on.

Story of the Gun covers a full decade through the fall of society. As the title states, a shotgun is the main character of this video as we follow it from human owner to owner through the years. We don't spend enough time with any one person to get attached to any particular character (though I do enjoy the conspiracy rambling guy, he gets a chuckle out of me) but the whirlwind of moving from person to person really conveys the chaotic feeling of the apocalypse. The ending, with the shotgun being abandoned at the feet of unseen apes, hints at the violence to come in Dawn, one that will lead to the film getting nicknamed as simply "The Apes Riding Horses With Guns Movie".

Motherboard also released a 15 minute documentary alongside the fictional shorts called The Real Planet Of The Apes, a true story that I'd never heard before: an island in Liberia where chimpanzees who were once laboratory test apes are the sole inhabitants and many humans fear to visit. Though not having anything to do with the fictional POTA, it is interesting to see apes interacting with humans. They are gentle and playful with humans they trust but can be aggressive to those they don't know, with locals telling tourists they will be killed if they go there. Major content warning for this short; it talks about and shows videos of real world ape testing and injuries, as well as human death/murder, starvation and violence. The good news is that, as of a 2022 article, the apes are still being cared for by the locals.

The video shorts are a fun little dive into the collapse of human society; personally I'll never pass up the opportunity to see that in fiction. They're good quality for being promotional videos on YouTube. The main downside is there is very little to make them stand out as being part of Planet Of The Apes. No apes are seen (which makes sense; they likely didn't have any budget for a CG ape), just alluded to through shadows and sound effects. Because of this, they feel pretty typical of any apocalyptic story without being entirely unique to the POTA franchise. But they're still well done, even eerier now after 2020 Covid lockdowns than when they first released in 2014. Watching all three fictional shorts back-to-back-to-back takes only 30 minutes so, even without any apes, they're a quick but enjoyable viewing experience. 

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[howlingday]

Hey I need your help. Why does Sun leave his team so much? I think it's played off as quirky in the show but it just bugs me so much. Like to me even as nice as he is he's still not their as he should be. Like if I'm supposed to relie on someone but they just do what they want how am supposed to trust them period? Am I reading too much into it?

They actually covered this "Before the Dawn".

Sun just kinda goes where he wants and barely lets his team know anything. He's been doing it since day one, too. He arrived at Beacon ahead of his team, then left them again to chase after Blake, and then it's all brought up in "Before the Dawn" for about 500 pages, because that's Sun's only character trait.

Honestly, I prefer it as the quirky show version than the book version that endlessly harps on it as a bad character trait and you should hate Sun for leaving his team all the team and he's a bad character because he's bad. Instead of, "Oh, there goes Sun again. Least he could do is tell us in person."

Honestly, now that I think about it, the main inspiration for this is his allusion of the legendary Sun Wu Kong from epic story of Journey to the West. The Monkey King would always run off to do, well, whatever. Honestly, the only thing keeping him in check is the crown on his head that tightens whenever Tripitaka utters a prayer.

As for why? Well, your guess is as good as mine. Like I said, I'd prefer to think of it as a character quirk instead of a thousand word essay on why Sun Wukong is a bad character in a book that made NOBODY look good.

[bobauthorman]

Say Uncle

I've been thinking about Theodore's allusion in RWBY; He's supposed to be based on Dorothy, that should be a given. But in RWBY: Before the Dawn, it's mentioned that Theodore has a picture of a little girl in his office with a dog.

Now, if Theodore is Dorothy, then who is the girl that was once important enough to keep a reminder of? My theory is that this girl is also Dorothy.

(Insert: "I connected the dots" "No you didn't" meme here)

Here me out. RWBY is not afraid to do combined allusions; Blake is most obvious, being Beauty and the Beast. What we may have here is something similar.

In Ozma of Oz by Baum, what causes Dorothy to return to the normal world is seeing her Uncle Henry dying from the sadness of losing his niece. What I'm saying is that Theodore might be both Dorothy and Henry; Theodore is what if Henry had been the one to fall to Oz, but instead of returning to Kansas, chose to remain in the magic land. In short, Henry in Dorothy's role.

[maor-koren]

So i never read "after the fall" and "before the dawn" but i do hear that that there is a character called Gillian Asturias that can transfer aura between diffrente people

Can it also work with human and an aura-less robot body?