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#Certainly not father and son
radiance1 · 5 months
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Nasty Burger explosion happens, leaving Danny homeless and friendless, he gets adopted by Vlad but Vlad, in all of his ambition to get Danny as his son and even telling said boy such thing multiple times.
Genuinely doesn't know what to do.
He never, well, thought this far, and certainly never in the circumstances that made this possible.
He tries a few parenting techniques (that he's read from multiple books to get the perfect child) and nothing sticks both because of Danny's stubbornness and pettiness.
So, Vlad tries from a... different angle.
He doesn't need a perfect son, he realized, he just wanted one, and now that he's gotten one, he realizes that Danny would be the one to succeed Vladco in the off-chance (which is low as hell already) that Vlad someone gets taken out of commission.
So what does he do?
He shows Danny how fun the business world can be when you're on top of it. One of the giants, an Emperor among kings.
Slowly sinking your fangs into an enemy, backing them into a corner bit by bit, until before they realized it, they can do nothing but be a defenseless little grub. Watching them crumble to bits in their own panic, and by their own hand making their situation worse and worse until, with one final blow, nothing is left of them.
Either by their own hand, or yours.
Danny took to it like a fish to water and, dare Vlad say, they even drew closer throughout it. Not quite father and son, yet not enemies either.
He thinks the term would be... frenemies?
Yes, on the best of days allies and on every other day frenemies.
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Danny doesn't... hate, Vlad. Yet he doesn't love him either, he thinks he likes Vlad at the very least. When the man backed off from trying to get him to be his son and replace his father.
Which was still a dick move considering his father had just died, but he's since managed to get over it. (The replacing his dad move, not his dad's death.)
Then Vlad started treating his less as a son and more of a... roommate, that he teaches business too. He will admit, he liked the change, gave him more room to grieve the loss of his family, and then, a while after that, Vlad showed him what made the business world... 'fun.'
And he was right, it is fun.
It was a great distraction from the pain of losing his family, and the fear that he would become like his dark future that he managed to avoid. He's not destroying the world, he's just destroying rival companies.
Way better in his opinion.
Of course, there are other 'Emperor among kings' out there, would be weird if there weren't honestly. To name a few, being Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne.
In other words, a guy who hates an overpowered alien superhero and a himbo playboy.
Honestly, he doesn't really care about Lex Luthor, he's more of Vlad's chess mate rather than his. Who he does care for, however, is on Timothy Drake-Wayne.
Two years older than him, that is true, yet a fun chess mate all the same. Does he care for the boy's father and siblings? No, not really, not at all actually.
He's tried to corner the boy before (Most of which he planned out with his own chess set that Vlad got him, Vlad has one as well in fact), mostly on a whim really. To test the waters, so to speak. But, Timothy Drake succeeded his expectations and, well, more.
He tries more than once, gaining an inch, Timothy finds a way to gain two more. Corner him, and Drake finds a way out and even reserving the tides.
He's never able to completely corner Timothy Drake-Wayne, and Timothy Drake-Wayne has never been able to completely corner him, which is honestly what makes this so fun.
Vlad was right, the business world can be fun.
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moxyphinx · 4 months
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SOPHIE OKONEDO as KIERA in RAYMOND & RAY (2022)
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fishareglorious · 1 month
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do u think marcus has a particular love for fries since her udimo's a seagull
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dykedvonte · 1 month
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thinking abt what you said with house viewing Benny as a son and I’m obsessed. Like. The man spent most of his life before the war presumably alone, and then after the bombs fell he was alone again, save for AI he himself devised. Then he decides to pull in some Tribes, and one kid shows promise! So sure, treat him well, train him, groom him to be his protege, then next thing you know UH OH he’s got developing paternal feelings towards this guy. Wanting some semblance of a family when the time has long since passed, yet fostering that feeling all the same seems so accurate for him. Benny meanwhile only views him as a boss, and not a particularly good one at that. makes me wonder how House must’ve felt when he found out about Bennys plans
I view it as House blames only himself for this, cause he kind of does in canon (strap in this is a long one).
When reflecting on the issue of Benny, House chastises himself first and foremost for not acting quickly enough when it comes to priming Benny. He describes Benny as being ambitious, ruthless and capable; compliments coming from a man like House. House has an ego and while he is logical enough to understand there was never any evidence Benny saw him as a father-figure, he lacks the humility to admit he let his own views on his relationship with Benny blind him to the activities happening behind the scenes.
I doubt that House was as aware as he makes out about what Benny was doing, he knew early on but certainly not early enough to stop Benny from hacking and obtaining a securitron along with getting the chip in the first place. I take it he was distracted by all the possibilities he was calculating of Vegas' success and growth with him steering and Benny as the new figure head, not because of any normal affection for Benny but the admiration of his capabilities. It's to be noted that House believed menial incentives (likely caps, booze, basic needs, etc..) were enough to keep Benny tame like the other Chairmen but, as evidenced by the Omertas and Mortimer in the WGS, this is not enough when it comes to more driven Vegas citizens. This implies he still undervalued Benny and created a space in which Benny felt the need to rebel.
House in my eyes is not sentimental in the traditional sense. I can imagine his pride was severely scorned as someone he certainly deemed dumber than him was, albeit only for a little, able to out-gambit him. It would definitely hit home seeing how his brother also betrayed him but I feel like that's why he's so apathetic when he tells the Courier to do as they see fit with Benny. I doubt the way he terrorized his brother brought him any emotional satisfaction other than a "Now who's in charge!" ego boost. Putting that same emotional intensity towards Benny isn't worth it because who does it benefit? Wasted time, wasted planning, and most importantly wasted potential are all he gets from continuing to be hands-on with Benny. I say the closest example is not being able to throw out old toys due to the memories attached but knowing it's necessary as they are broken or just taking up space for new ones, and then asking someone else to do it so you don't need to get caught up in the feelings of throwing something you put so much effort into. It's not Benny House cares about in my mind, not in a way that sounds healthy to any non-emotionally constipated individual, but what he could've represented for him, which is why he so quickly offers the same position to the Courier.
As for Benny's view on all of this, it was a long time coming. Benny didn't and doesn't believe House is a completely shitty boss. He admires what he's been shown and admits House knows how to run the strip, but disagrees with the directions. Ideologically, House is an anarcho-capitalist while Benny is just an anarchist. House wants to run the strip to profit, though money is not what he's concerned with being rich with anymore. Benny wants a free state that he wishes to become a place for the people, except for the Chairmen who would be on top (I like to remind people that Benny's motives were selfish but not for personal gain/power as was it for the people he actually saw as family). Benny was never looking for a father but a future. He was not interested in being adopted, or having the chairmen adopted, as bigger names still overshadowed in House's legacy.
Truly, it's easiest to summarize as House feeling strongly and thinking positively enough of Benny to start incorporating him into the future of Vegas (a huge honor actually) while Benny was so disillusioned by House's ego and indifference that he thought the only way Vegas could be the future is with House gone.
#tdlr House saw Benny as the perfect face of his Legacy while Benny saw his legacy as a stagnant mosquito infested pond#its more complex as house certainly would of been irate if he hadn't known and the courier came to kick benny's ass#but more someone being mad youre fucking with their things#i likely thing that even in a more traditional father son relationship House is conditional and would force Benny to confrom more to his#standards as I also believe the Chairmen are more tightly monitered due to bennys unique relation to house and being the first tribe#so itd be smothering and oppressive for someone like Benny even though imposing his beliefs and standards would be how House shows affectio#and fatherly praise which would result in Benny probably wanting to act out even more. like the only way a father son dynamic is healthy an#works is if house would relent some control and show he sees benny as an equal which would never happen cause its house but its still tragi#to me cause house has that longing for something more personal to him than Vegas and tries to fill it with progress cause its rather hard#to create those bonds in the state he is in and benny was the closest thing to that and even that he inadvertently ruined#but on benny house kinda ruined him cause the chairmen for all intents and purposes liked and trusted benny as a leader after bingo who#benny really only killed because of the illusions of grandeur house put into a young impressionable mind and how bingo refused to hear him#not to absolve him of his wrongdoings and being a dick but benny didnt just attack bingo he challenged him and won and in the end while#nostalgic none of the chairmen choose to leave and go back to the old way which says something cause they can leave#this is long and honestly should a seperate post on benny cause i have thoughts on him and how more people need to add his all roads traits#to get a cohesive picture of how hed really act#benny gecko#benny fnv#fallout#fallout new vegas#robert edwin house#mr house fnv#mr house#ask#anon#sorry if this is confusing I have very indepth thoughts on all aspects and possibilites on how unhealthy and power inbalancey anything#with house would be but this is so interesting cause its oddly vulnerable for house of all people to disclose this to the courier
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lotus-pear · 3 months
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Dazatsu??
no. theyre familial/platonic only to me (not to mention it’s ILLEGAL😟😟)
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fideidefenswhore · 8 months
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ngl thomas boleyn wanting elizabeth to get his lands got me. i wish people gave him a chance and didn't act like he was some monster. so why didn't elizabeth get them? and is it true henry "seized" hever once thomas' mom was dead? shouldn't that have gone to mary?
It got me, as well.
I'm of two minds on his reputation, however, as far as that goes...I don't think he deserves to be villainized to the extent he has been (he was human, and protective and proud of his family, and cared for them, as several details of evidence suggest, such as Anne's letter from 1513 which he kept 'perfectly preserved'), but also, I do like...get it? He was a flawed man, he was not above throwing his weight around when he felt challenged or disrespected, and his lack of support for his literal daughter when she was widowed (until his other daughter and the King intervened to pressurize him to provide more financial support) cannot be defended.
Also while I do love Mackay's biography and believe it was illuminating, my take was that the apologism went too far. While Boleyn did not sit on the actual jury which condemned two of his children, he did sit upon the one which condemned the lower-ranking men of 'adultery with the Queen'. This was his choice, as much as the narrative of "refuse the King at your own peril" (or, indignatio princips mors est, iyw) remains strong, more often (until it came to issues of supremacy), one refused the King at the loss of their own status, favour, preferment, perhaps wealth and land.
Tl;dr "Thomas Boleyn did not have a choice" gives me the same feeling of when "AB, JS, KH, KP" (sometimes even COA and Anne of Cleves...weirdly) "didn't have a choice in marrying Henry VIII" is said. I'm wary of minimizing the agency and choice of, particularly, those of the highest echelons of society, esp. when we're dealing with an era where victims of brutality of comparatively little agency (Mark Smeaton, etc.) also numbered significantly. The Tudor nobility had more access to choice than most people of their time.
As far as Hever, I don't believe it was seized after the death of Margaret Butler, it does seem to have gone to Mary, although I don't really have a firm grasp on the details (like, my understanding was that it was granted to Anne of Cleves, so...?):
"With no heir, Thomas' properties reverted to the Crown, including his earldoms. Prior to his death, it seemed that Thomas had begun to reconcile with his only living daughter, Mary. Within weeks [of the death of Thomas Boleyn], Thomas' daughter Mary Stafford and her husband [...] received much of Boleyn's property portfolio, including Hever and Rochford Hall." Among the Wolves of Court: The Untold Story of Thomas and George Boleyn, Lauren Mackay
The official Hever Castle website, however, states that James Boleyn inherited Hever and sold it to the crown in 1540 (which would explain how it could be granted to Anne of Cleves, I suppose, although it seems like there's a gap here...perhaps Mary sold it to her uncle, who then sold it to the crown?)
It was specifically Thomas Boleyn's lands in Essex he had wanted to grant to his granddaughter ('begun' to reconcile is maybe key here, he had, for one, not really been supportive of Mary since she was widowed in 1528, and only was when pressurized to do so, & usual precedent would suggest they should have gone to Henry Carey, but then, Elizabeth had not been reinstated into the succesion by the time he made this will, which was probably a factor in his decision, there was no guarantee she'd be entitled to any lands after the King's death in that context); and I haven't had much luck in finding out if they were ever granted to Elizabeth once she reached her majority. The only mention of her ever even holding any property in Essex (while 'Lady Elizabeth') I managed to find was dated during Edward VI's reign and refers to an exchange, not an inheritance:
"In the reissued patent letters of April 1551, Elizabeth lost her Northamptonshire holdings of Apethorpe, Wadehowe, Woodnewton, Tansor, and Yarwell, which as noted earlier had formed something resembling a local concentration of properties. In exchange, she acquired the nearly inaccessible manors of Norton Bawson in Devon and Bysleigh in Gloucestershire, along with some small manors in Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, and Essex." From Heads of Household to Heads of State. The Preaccession Households of Mary and Elizabeth Tudor, 1516-1558. by J.L. McIntosh.
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Stephen on the left vs his son Noah on the right.
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peridoxikal-redux · 7 months
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A new revised ref for Aveni's adult design to better show some updates I've made to his character. He's still the mischievous, overconfident goofball he always is, but I suppose the new updates have made his heritage a little more obvious.
His twin sister will also have a revised ref soon.
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mustangs-flames · 8 months
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Wait you said Six is much more attached to Adam than he probably should . Does that mean he keeps an eye out for him but much closer to the literal sense?
He's been grappling with a lot of stuff ever since meeting and interacting with Mark when he was a child. It's complicated. He's fundamentally changed in some way he can't describe. He has a name now - 'Six' - and comes to think of himself as a him. His job was to replace the kids and get out, move onto the next thing Gabriel wanted and he did do that. Much like he'd done it before in the past on two separate occasions. But there was something about Adam. In all his eons of existence he suddenly considered not doing what Gabriel instructed and staying around. And that freaked him out so he's been keeping his distance. But he's been keeping tabs on Adam all this time through someone at the orphanage.
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labyrynth · 1 year
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okay so apparently this is the "quick and dirty" version, except that it's...a lot less quick than I intended.
Was Mo Xuanyu a threat to Jin Guangyao (and/or his position)?
No.
Why Not?
To his Position: Jin Guangshan brought mxy to Koi Tower after Jin Zixuan died to threaten jgy's newfound position as heir...except that jgs never legitimized him. Mxy's presence would be much more effective as a threat if he was legitimized, so why didn't jgs legitimize him? Most likely, he didn't want to piss off his wife (even more than she already was, anyway), but mxy's general lack of skill and...uncharismatic nature weren't exactly "ideal heir" material.
To Jin Guangyao himself: [i.e. reputation, safety, etc.] lack of will, mostly; according to Jin Ling, mxy basically idolized jgy. but also, lack of ability: if he had the ability to make himself seem like someone to take seriously, his situation with both the Jins and the Mo family would have been completely different.
Did Jin Guangyao perceive Mo Xuanyu to be a threat (to him and/or his position)?
No.
Why not?
He isn't stupid. He would know everything I mentioned above.
Jgy's upset at mxy's presence wasn't because mxy was a legitimate threat to jgy, but because Jin Guangshan, the father he had been working so tirelessly to try to earn the approval of was actively trying to undermine him and spite him. Who wouldn't be upset?
Did Jin Guangyao fabricate a story about sexual harassment as an excuse to get rid of Mo Xuanyu?
[canon-typical content warnings]
No.
(Aka, did Mo Xuanyu actually sexually harass Jin Guangyao? Probably. At the very least, he probably did something that looked a lot like it to an outsider.)
Why not?
Comes from MXY's Account: when mxy summoned wwx, he had written several notes that explained his situation. It's after reading mxy's own notes that wwx concludes that mxy was sent home for sexually harassing other men (ch2)
WWX dismisses this theory: when wwx witnesses the argument between jgy and qin su, he theorizes about what the letter might say, and considers the possibility that jgy may have played a part in mxy's removal; he dismisses the theory, concluding that mxy getting kicked out was most likely legitimate (ch47)
No need to remove MXY: mxy's presence alone isn't a substantial enough threat to warrant addressing, and he ceased to be a potential threat entirely when jgs died, with no path to legitimacy.
MXY has no grudge against JGY: If mxy had done nothing wrong, but was still disgraced and sent back to his abusive family, it stands to reason that he would hold a grudge against the person who slandered him and sent him back. Adding one more person to his vengeance list wouldn't cost him anything extra, but he's satisfied with just the Mo family. he doesn't appear to even make any mention of jgy in all of his notes. (wwx doesn't realize the person sexually harassed was jgy until ch47)
Not how JGY would handle a threat: if mxy was in possession of some piece of information that jgy didn't want him to know, there's no reason to just...send mxy home. the information is either consequential or inconsequential. if it's inconsequential, it isn't worth the hubbub of such a damning rumor (see next point), and if it's consequential, it isn't worth the risk of letting mxy wander around freely when he could keep him close (with mutual blackmail), imprisoned (a la sisi), or just kill him (we already know he's not a very good cultivator, and hey--accidents happen).
Not a rumor JGY would create: circulating a rumor that "the bastard son of a whore turned sect leader was involved in homosexual incest" when said bastard son of a whore IS actually involved in incest (albeit unintentionally) is just knocking on the devil's door. if he's making up a rumor, there's literally no reason to have it hit so close to home, especially if it's something as attention grabbing as "bastard son of a whore turned sect leader receives unwanted sexual advances from his own half-brother"
in conclusion:
headcanon whatever the fuck you want, but the way that the text currently is, Mo Xuanyu was never a threat to Jin Guangyao, Jin Guangyao never thought he was, and Mo Xuanyu wasn't just some hapless uwu gay baby that fell victim to eeevil Jin Guangyao's Power Hungry Plotting
sometimes...other people do bad things...and make mistakes...and it's because they're exercising their own agency.
Speculation Zone: I think mxy probably was trying to come onto jgy, and had been for a while, with jgy doing his best to gently rebuff his affections and keep things under wraps; he really Does Not need any more scrutiny or speculation about his character. Based on the way he reacts in the present (especially when he shows up at Koi Tower), I'm guessing it was probably Jin Ling who saw, probably panicked and ran away, and told the first person he saw...and the rest is history.
#mdzs talk#jgy tag#jin guangyao#mo xuanyu#jin guangshan#jgy and mxy have a complicated relationship#im getting really fucking tired of the self-proclaimed 'jgy fans' who unashamedly put bashing in the tags#and then insist that it's possible to 'love villains for their evilness'#like ok the problem here is that calling jgy 'evil' is missing so many points and is like. pretty classist?#nobody is saying that jgy didn't do bad things but calling JUST jgy evil or toxic or abusive or manipulative or whatever#just comes off as classist.#like you're perfectly fine with the degree of cruelty and wanton violence that everyone else in the book displays#but it's only a problem when...what? when the bastard son wants the power that should have been his to begin with?#when he tries to protect the honor of the mother his father only valued enough to fuck?#when the servant values his own life over the lives of others?#when the whoreson isn't willing to die for someone who wouldn't die for him?#when he kills a man who demanded his death for years?#also btw jgy's relationship with nmj is complex but jgy most certainly does not *abuse* nmj#nmj's supposed 'mental illness' does not give him a free pass for assault & literal attempted murder & i cannot believe i have to say this#jgy plays the literary role of villain but he is not *A* Villain. he's a ridiculously complex 3 dimensional character#and specifically...one that would have MINDED HIS OWN FUCKING BUSINESS if nie fucking huaisang hadn't tipped the boat over#huaisang caused the inciting incident and the rest of the plot AND is the one that provoked the 'antagonist' into action. conclusion?#nhs is the actual antagonist badabing bada boom. ive connected the dots.#(i do actually think there's a good case for this tho. jgy is remarkably passive until he's directly threatened with 'kill urself or die')
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Man the more I learn about WoW lore the more I’m pissed Varian is dead. That dude single handedly carried my respect for the Alliance on his back, he was a badass, a good dad, and a kickass king. In this house Varian is still alive and currently looking for his son. Again.
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andizoidart · 6 months
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Surprise. Little Gaster Chapter.
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secretmellowblog · 2 years
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I'm not a fan of Am*zon but every time I see a post that says "I can't believe Amazon's Lotr series dared to change the plot of the Silmarillion" I always think "You liar! Everyone knows the Silmarillion doesn't have a plot"
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senseiofbullshit · 2 years
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Snippet from a dad!Josuke fic I may never finish
Conversation between Josuke and Rohan (who is about to babysit Bean). Just funny stuff about Josuke threatening to kill Rohan. No big deal. Very rough draft.
“Oh and Rohan?”
“What is it?”
“Remember when we first met and I put you in the hospital for a month?”
“I'd rather not.”
“If I find out you used Heaven's Door on my kid, you'll be in the hospital for a lot longer than that.”
A chill goes down Rohan’s spine.
Josuke gives Rohan a giddy smile and a pat on the shoulder. Rohan is about to pipe up and say something that is no doubt snarky (because he always has to have the last word) until he sees the hardness at the edge of Josuke's otherwise harmless smile. Something about it seems to activate Rohan's flight or fright instincts. It makes him flinch. The smile doesn't quite meet Josuke's eyes or match his jovial tone. It's terrifying. Josuke has threatened Rohan before, but never quite like this. Rohan has never been afraid of Josuke. Not until this very moment. Rohan has seen Josuke lose his temper about his hair and he's read that parents get fiercely protective of their children, but this? Rohan wholeheartedly believes that Josuke would kill him if he had even the slightest inkling that Heaven's Door was summoned during his time babysitting. Something very cold and frigid replaces Josuke's usual warm demeanor. Josuke's hand squeezes his shoulder just a touch harder but Rohan can feel the murderous intent dripping from Josuke.
Rohan exhales a breath he hadn't even been aware that he was holding and quickly tries to regain his composure.
“Tch. Do you think so little of me that I would need to use my stand on a mere child?”
Rohan’s past adventures paint a very different picture. Josuke’s smile remains but his grip on Rohan’s shoulder tightens by a fraction.
“I can handle a child, Josuke Higashikata,” Rohan tries to reassure.
Josuke's smile softens and he lets go of Rohan's shoulder.
"Good! Make sure he doesn't stay up late! Bye!" Josuke sings as he turns on his heel to walk out of the front door.
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wonder-worker · 5 months
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(Dominic Mancini) believed that Edward IV had designated his brother Gloucester as Protector – a statement – a statement which he first introduces with a cautious ‘as they say’, but which then becomes the cornerstone of his argument. In the absence of formal evidence, this claim cannot be checked, but it has always been recognized that the choice of Gloucester to head the government was an obvious possibility for the dying king. If Edward wanted a protector, the duke was, indeed, the inevitable candidate. Gloucester’s position as sole surviving brother of the king, coupled with his outstanding record of service to the crown, would have made it impossible to pass him over, even in a society aware of the dangers which guardianship by a paternal uncle posed to the interests of the heir. But Mancini does not leave the story there. He claims that the council chose to ignore Edward’s wishes, preferring the immediate coronation of the young king to a formal minority. This decision was prompted by fears that a protector might usurp the throne, although Mancini adds that it was supported by the queen’s family, who wanted to prevent power passing to Gloucester. Having carried this initial point, the Woodvilles then proceeded to dig in militarily and financially. The picture is thus one of overt factions, with the Woodvilles manipulating the majority of the council against Gloucester and a small group of councillors who supported the idea of a Protectorate – an element usually identified with the dead king’s friend and chamberlain William Hastings.
…Mancini’s account, for all its overt criticism of the duke, may be based on a version of events originating in the circle around Gloucester. It casts the Woodvilles as the aggressors and Gloucester as the victim of circumstance. [According to this interpretation], the duke was virtually forced into some sort of counter-offensive to protect his own interests, and his seizure of Edward [V] at the end of April could even be justified, although Mancini does not say so, as a return to Edward’s original wishes.
This raises the interesting possibility that Mancini’s insistence that Edward IV wanted his brother to be protector also derives from a version of events put forth by the duke after he had seized the prince and was seeking recognition as protector. Certainly one of the shakiest parts of Mancini’s account is his attempt to explain why, if Edward wanted a protector, the council sought to overturn his wishes. His suggestion that the council feared an usurpation displays the hindsight to be expected from someone writing after June 1483, when Gloucester had indeed used the protectorship as a stepping-stone to the throne. It is difficult to believe that anyone in April seriously feared that Gloucester had designs on the crown. The duke had a record of close cooperation with the Yorkist establishment, something at least as important in the context of 1483 as his much-emphasized loyalty to his brother. He was not an alien, northern magnate from whom anything might be expected, but a key figure in the reconstructed royal authority which now needed to be preserved for the young king.
This weakness in Mancini’s argument has, however, gone unremarked, largely because most commentators have chosen to emphasize Mancini’s second point and argue that the real reason for what happened was Woodville hostility to Gloucester. Mancini himself is clear that there was a long-standing rivalry between the duke and the queen’s family, and this has been accepted by almost every subsequent writer. A clash of interest was therefor inevitable once Gloucester had been chosen protector. But Mancini is here guilty of reading back into Edward IV’s reign the tensions which he observed after the king’s death. There is no contemporary evidence of hostility earlier than the end of April 1483. Although the personal attitudes of the protagonists are unknown, it is clear that their working relationship was one of co-operation.
This does not prelude the possibility that the Woodvilles turned against their former ally and in 1483 and cynically excluded Gloucester from the Protectorship in order to seize more power for themselves. But this would make nonsense of the events at the end of April, when Gloucester was able to seize possession of the (king) from an unsuspecting earl Rivers. The earl, who had apparently dispersed his men before meeting the duke, clearly expected no trouble from Gloucester – confidence which would be incredible if Gloucester had just been the victim of a Woodville coup.
Doubts about Mancini’s version are reinforced when it is compared with the account produced early in 1469 by the anonymous continuator of the Croyland Chronicle. The author was councillor of Edward IV and is in general a far more reliable source than Mancini. His facts (although not always his glosses) cannot be faulted, and he was ideally placed to give the definite account of events after Edward’s death. Although he evidently knew what the king had planned, he nowhere states it explicitly, and his silence has left the field to Mancini’s version. But this very silence casts doubt on Mancini’s central point that the council actually voted down the king’s expressed wishes. As a councillor himself, the author would have surely drawn attention to such a reversal. Instead he allows it to be assumed that the council’s plans for the coronation were in line with the king’s sagax disposito as embodied in the codils of his will. This makes it unlikely that Edward sought a protectorate. The implication instead seems to be that Edward’s ‘wise ordering’ did not envisage a formal protectorate at all, but entailed the immediate succession of his heir for which there was precedent in 1377, when the eleven-year-old Richard II had succeeded his grandfather. This is perhaps also implied by the chronicler’s comment that all the councillors were ‘fully desired the prince to succeed his father in all his glory’.
-Rosemary Horrox, "Richard III: A Study of Service"
*I just want to add that in 1475, when his son was only four years old, Edward IV's extant will did not desire a Protectorate (or regency, or lieutenancy); instead, he named his son 'Keeper of the Realm', placed him under the protection and control of the Queen, and appointed a Great Council to administer the realm. That should be kept in mind when discussing his potentially modified 1483 will, made when his son was twelve.
Simply put: Edward IV's 1483 will has not survived, we do not know what it says, we don't know what his codicils were or if they were even relevant to his son's minority (it could have been related to his children's marriages, for example). The Croyland Continuator mentions that he added codicils yet never claims or emphasizes that he appointed anyone Protector, and strongly implied that moat of his 1475 will remained at full force. We can speculate, but we cannot state anything for certain, and insistent claims to the contrary (almost always to Richard III's benefit and Elizabeth Woodville's denigration) must necessarily be viewed as biased and shallow. Saying that Edward IV could have potentially named his brother Lord Protector is very different from looking at contemporary accounts and evidence to judge whether he actually did - which we ultimately don't know and won't know unless we find the actual will or another contemporary source. Nor does it actually matter on a practical level because neither his council nor his queen were obligated to follow his wishes, which in turn makes Mancini's insistence on the contrary (ie: claiming Rixhard was 'entitled' to the position as per law and his brother's alleged order, which is distinctly untrue: Richard was not entitled to anything on the basis of either of those things) all the more suspect and reinforces Horrox's point about him potentially being influenced by propaganda. I'm just putting this here for the sake of the argument.
#r*chard iii#edward iv#wars of the roses#read it again: ALL the councilors wanted Edward V to succeed his father and be crowned immediately. Even after the Woodvilles were out#of the way they wanted the young king's coronation to happen 'without fail'.#You'd think someone like Hastings (who seems to have disliked the Woodvilles) would argue in favor of a Protectorate - but as per Croyland#he didn't. Nobody did.#It's *Mancini's* account which presents a debate in the council between an immediate coronation and a Protectorate#*Croyland* on the other hand is clear that EVERYONE wanted the young king to be crowned as soon as possible.#What Mancini presents as an argument in the council is what Croyland presents as its unifying factor#Croyland also speaks of Edward IV's will and his deathbed moments as well and nowhere does he mention him appointing a Protector#In 1475 Edward appointed a council of 20 to govern the realm and placed the Keeper under the protection and custody of the Queen#He didn't want a Protector when his son was FOUR. Why would he suddenly want one when his son was TWELVE?#When the only precedent of a Protector during a minority (Humphrey and Henry VI) ended when the king in question was SEVEN?#Moreover Mancini's account IS rather suspect#His notion that Richard's potential appointment to Protector was something he was 'entitled to by law and his brother’s ordinance'#is blatantly wrong. Richard was not 'entitled' to the position by either of those things (and there was no such extant law)#So one wonders where exactly Mancini got the idea from? He himself says 'men say' which may indicate gossip - but even more strongly#indicates propaganda put forth by Richard as A.J Pollard has also suggested#Considering Mancini's account doesn't just speak of Edward giving Richard the position but also the queen denying it to him#Which like Horrox said presents the Woodvilles as the aggressors and Richard as a victim merely defending himself#And believes that Richard was *entitled* to the position ((thus casting the Woodvilles as the wrongdoers) when he certainly wasn't#again: we can't know what exactly Edward wanted unless we find his last will or a well-informed contemporary source#And it doesn't practically matter because neither his council nor his queen were socially or legally obligated to follow his wishes#I'm just putting this here for the sake of the argument
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Wow, Guess I'm Making This Post
So, I guess I'm back again to talk about somethings. To make clarifications and to correct myself. About two-ish (maybe three?) days ago I made a post @/ing Glitch and talking about LFLS. This post here, which I don't want anyone to reblog anymore but I cannot seem to make it unrebloggable and see no point in deleting it because it would still exist within the reblogs of it. But in the post I meant for my intentions to be made clear that I had problems with how people responded in treating LFLS compared to other fics, while also making it clear I had no ill will or bad intentions against that fic or Glitch themself. I tried my best and even had my post peer reviewed by fellow content creators so my wording could be at its best.
I failed in my attempt, however. As a couple of people had come into my DM's telling me take my post down. At first I thought perhaps they were just diehard fans of Glitch, who only wanted to focus on the fact that I called Glitches tweet condescending for smaller content creators and not encouraging like she had hoped. However, one of them made better clarity of their problems with my post then the other (no hate to that other they did their best their point just didn't come across as well as they hoped it to) to which I say thank you.
While I and some of the others that reblogged my post saw it as a complaint about fandom acting like other content creators don't make content. When they do and often get ignored, making creators feel unappreciated and abandoning works or not even sharing them to being with. Glitch and the people who know her saw it as me blaming her for her popularity and how LFLS blew up, that I made her to be condescending and that my post was made for negativity under the guise of fandom.
I want to make it clear I do not think ANY of those things about Glitch, I don't know Glitch personally. Heck, confession? Still haven't read LFLS, and probably won't. I completely believe that Glitches tweet was her trying to inspire people to create. It just felt unintentionally condescending to me and a few other content creators who have been writing Rise fics for just as long as Glitch, with much different results. And I suppose part of me let that feeling seep into my post. But Glitch and LFLS are not the cause of the fandoms reactions to them. And I didn't make that clear. Glitch is just a human being, like any of us are, and she is not in control of her popularity or peoples response to what she makes or creates. My post wasn't meant to be about Glitch but it became that when I didn't explain myself fully. Or make my intentions properly clear.
I intended for that post to focus on fandom and how it doesn't acknowledge smaller creators the way they do bigger creators. For example, myself, it is rare for me to get comments. Since January of 2022 to now I've had about maybe 7 or 8 new comments on my fic. For reference that's 10 whole months. With comments only coming in either one a month or two-three at once but then lacking between months. I've gotten a handful of asks about my fic. And my fic (Dread Poition) has been around since about 2020 (if I remember correctly). Now my fic is certainly not top tier nor really memorable for fics. But plenty of my writer friends get the same results as me. With works that are 1000 times better then my own. Some creators even LESS then that with about one comment within the past few years of their fanfic being public.
I bring up again, a friend of mine who creates fanart for Rise. Who has only ever gotten a large amount of reblogs and hearts on their LFLS fanart, and still do to this day. While their many, many amazing pieces of fanart they've made over the years doesn't even get CLOSE to as many reblogs and hearts as that one particular piece of fanart does.
Which, again, let me make it very clear that it is NOT Glitches fault AT ALL that this imbalance happened. That fandom decided that bigger works are the only ones that deserve any proper acknowledgement. It is on FANDOM and fandom ONLY. We all need to do our part to make smaller content creators known and let them know we love their fics and wish to see more of them. We need to engage with them, leave comments and kudos, reblog their posts about their works we enjoy, start conversations about fics we like more, and talk about more then just while known fics and encourage people to check out fics from writers they may never have heard of.
To the people who reblogged my post and hearted it because you understood what I was trying to convey. Thank you, I'm glad you agree and I am glad you could understand my post. To the people who maybe reblogged or hearted because they agreed with the miscommunication that Glitch is at fault, please know that is not something I agree with or want to be associated with. My post was never intended to start any negativity towards Glitch and I don't want that for them.
I also want to reiterate again that there is nothing wrong with liking popular works. Like, of course, LFLS by Glitch, The Brains And The Brawn by Jadesthe0ne, or Legends Of The Hidden Kingdom (fantasy au) by Charmy, to name a few. There is nothing wrong with expressing those likes with fanart or asks or comments. I think it's wonderful! But attention, love, and support are not finite, they can be given to big content creators and small ones alike without taking from either. And to me (and a few others) it certainly feels like that's how fandom can treat it sometimes.
No one is in any genuine wrong here. I'm not scolding fandom and I'm certainly not scolding Glitch. I'm just trying to point out an issue fandom has that it needs to resolve. And I'm again linking to my Writers Appreciation Post, because that's what this is all really about. Supporting writers and artists in the fandom. In my initial post I accidentally leaned into a "us versus them" mentality. "Us" being smaller creators and "Them" being bigger ones. I don't believe in that mentality and I am disappointed in myself for leaning into it unintentionally or not. We are all just creators wanting to make what we love. We are all just people who enjoy the same silly (/pos) TV show. And there's no need to pit ourselves against each other.
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