#HOLY SHIT. HI REVAN.

[bojangos]

listen i LOVE rotating bastila and revan and their weird funky life-force-bond and i want them to be literally intertwined but NOT necessarily romantically.

however.

their kid becoming chancellor of the republic is so fucking funny to me. can you picture his campaigning and how everyone is trying so hard to like, dig up dirt on his family or whatever. the fucking Scandal of it all.

[twstjam]

I like to imagine that in an au where Meleanor lives and Lilia somehow still gets custody of Silver, like Malleus she is also initially disgusted by Silver before growing extremely attached to him because the "you love me, so you'll love my child" thing goes both ways.

A few hcs that I had while I brainrotted about this in Discord dms:

-Meleanor, like her son, is very fascinated by Silver's fast development.

-She is an easily impressed aunt/godmother and would heap SO MUCH praise on Silver for the littlest things. (and immediately turn around and strike Lilia with lightning for interrupting her)

-Lilia, on the phone(?): "Silver just said his first words!"

Meleanor, appearing in a burst of fire: "HOLY SHIT!!!"

-Sort of reflecting fae in folklore, she loves to kidnap take Silver back to the castle with her for "play dates" with Malleus, who will complain about it as he so very gently plays with the fragile infant his mother had trusted him with (he is a tsundere big brother)

-Revan always sighs every time he catches Silver in the castle because he KNOWS his wife didn't tell Lilia she took him, but he isn't unhappy to see him. Will include Silver in Malleus's tutoring sessions even though Malleus's curriculum is much too advanced for the average human, let alone a baby.

-Growing up, Silver calls Meleanor "Mother" because he hears Malleus call her that all the time. When he grows out of it and starts calling her "Lady Meleanor/Meleanor-sama", she sulks about it a bit.

[david-talks-sw]

The OTHER type of Star Wars fan

We've already covered (through this longer post and this addendum) that research shows George wasn't that involved or interested in the derivative material of the Star Wars franchise, also known as the Expanded Universe (EU). Aside from approving a few points, he let Howard Roffman and Lucasfilm Licensing handle it.

He is the first to say that he ain't as knowledgeable about Star Wars lore as we fans are.

Thing is... he's also not as passionate as we are.

Recently, I was watching some Q&A videos of George R.R. Martin, the author of Game of Thrones... and it occurred to me:

Martin is what most Star Wars fans wish Lucas was.

Think about it.

He's a talented writer who likes to focus on morally "gray" characters and complex political plotlines,

who created a series of novels for a mature audience in which his narrative merely asks questions and lets the reader draw their own conclusions,

knows and engages in the lore behind his creation and will often respond to those lore-heavy questions, and has gone on record stating that canon is the glue that holds a story together and keeps it coherent.

Contrast that with George "continuity is for wimps" Lucas, who:

Wrote a movie franchise which is also, partially, political... but he makes it for kids, and he's explicit about how this is thematically a clear-cut story about how the conflict of "good vs evil" is really about "compassion vs greed",

with flat dialogue, boring cinematography,

and whose approach to lore and canon can be summed up in his answer to how Anakin got his scar:

"I don't know. Ask Howard [Roffman]. That’s one of those things that happens in the novels between the movies. I just put it there. He has to explain how it got there. I think Anakin got it slipping in the bathtub, but of course, he's not going to tell anybody that." - Pablo Hidalgo’s set diary, August 2003

And as a Star Wars fan, I will admit that some of his casual retcons felt disrespectful, growing up.

"Boba Fett is NOT Mandalorian?!"

I had the same reaction when I saw an interview of Kathleen Kennedy stating she was a fan of Star Wars... from a filmmaking perspective. That seemed like such a finagling cop-out for me, at the time.

"Just say you're not a real fan, God!"

And it's easy to divide it in two camps, like that. You have 1) the fans, who will delve into deep lore, and you have 2) the average moviegoer.

But looking back on it... holy shit, that is actually a completely valid way of being a Star Wars fan.

Yes, Star Wars is a transmedia franchise, it's books, it's video-games, it's deep lore, it's lightsabers and Jedi and Sith and bounty hunters and Ewoks and Jabba and High Republics and Tython and Revan etc.

But before it was that, Star Wars was a filmmaking revolution. A juggernaut of innovation for the silver screen that inspired most of today's filmmakers.

So, sure, George Lucas isn't an avid lore-loving Star Wars fan like you and me. But he is a movie fan.

"I'm not that passionate about this story. I like it, it's fun and I enjoy doing it. But it's definitely not my life. I'm a bigger movie fan than I am Star Wars fan. I like making movies. At the end of nine years of making Star Wars, I was not ready to continue it. I was completely burned out on it. I was more passionate about raising my kids than making movies and especially making Star Wars. So I made other kinds of movies and TV shows and advanced the technology I needed. It's not a matter of passion. My passion is for filmmaking. I'll go and do filmmaking that is easier to do, where you can realise your ideas better. And nine years is a big part of your life, and to commit to another nine years, I didn't wanna do that right away." - EMPIRE, 1999

And you can tell this, when you watch the Star Wars films.

There are honestly so many homages and interesting filmmaking techniques, peppered throughout the six films, which only a nerd for cinema history like George would know how to implement.

C3-PO being based on the droid from Metropolis (1927) is a perfect example of this.

And that's interesting.

Because there's essentially this entire other dimension to the films, where it's not just the story unfolding, but to filmmakers it's also a series of techniques that make them go "I wonder how they did that!" or homages that make them go "OH! I know where that's from!" like we do when an comics characters appears in live-action.

Here's other examples:

CINEMA HOMAGES

All of Star Wars is absolutely littered with homages to cinema history.

I mean, you may already know this, but Flash Gordon is what George originally wanted to shoot, but the copyright holders said they only wanted Fellini to direct it (ironically, George wasn't artsy-fart enough for them). So he decided to write Star Wars instead.

As such, the inspiration from Flash Gordon is also present visually and spiritually throughout the two trilogies.

"It was like a Republic serial, a 1930s-style matinee adventure. The idea was that you came in, saw Episode IV, had missed the first three episodes, and wouldn't get to see the rest of it." - Starlog Magazine #300, 2002

The dialogue that a lot of people refer to as "campy" and "flat" is actually a mix of George being an experimental filmmaker who doesn't give much of a fuck about dialogue (and is by his own admission, not the best at it)...

"I'd be the first person to say I can't write dialogue. My dialogue is very utilitarian and is designed to move things forward. I'm not Shakespeare. It's not designed to be poetic. It's not designed to have a clever turn of phrase. [...] I just wanted to get from point A to point B. This film doesn't lend itself to that sort of thing because it's not about snappy one-liners.  I think that Lethal Weapon-style dialogue is overused, it's a necessary aspect of high action films where you have to have the smart retort. You have to say "I'll be back baby" and stuff. It's not my style. It takes away from the integrity of the movie. [...] I'm aware that dialogue isn't my strength. I use it as a device. I don't particularly like dialogue which is part of the problem." - EMPIRE, 1999

... which is convenient, because it helped him simulate the dialogue of 1930s matinee serials, such as Flash Gordon.

"Let’s face it, their dialogue in that scene is pretty corny. It is presented very honestly, it isn’t tongue in cheek at all, and it’s played to the hilt. But it is consistent, not only with the rest of the movie, but with the overall Star Wars style. Most people don’t understand the style of Star Wars. They don’t get that there is an underlying motif that is very much like a 1930s Western or Saturday matinee serial. It’s in the more romantic period of making movies and adventure films. And this film is even more of a melodrama than the others." - Mythmaking: Behind the Scenes of Attack of the Clones, 2002

But beyond that, literally it's everywhere.

The scene where Palpatine ascends to being Emperor as Anakin slaughters his political rivals parallels the final scene in The Godfather, where Michael becomes the Don while his goons do the same thing.

This video compiles all the tributes beautifully. Check it out.

Even The Clone Wars has whole episodes that are direct homages to cult classics. The Zillo Beast episode is a clear reference to Godzilla, the episode The Wrong Jedi is inspired by The Wrong Man, etc.

"CINEMA VÉRITÉ" CINEMATOGRAPHY

I've already written a whole post (one of my favourites) showing how his fascination with cinéma vérité documentaries is reflected in the cinematography of all six Star Wars films, and it's part of what makes the entire franchise feel so immersive.

You can check it out here:

KUROSAWA

We've gone over how he's a big fan of Akira Kurosawa, and how big an influence Hidden Fortress was on both the Star Wars trilogies...

... but so is the mise-en-scène and the way George approaches production design. The reason Star Wars feels so "lived in" is also a lesson George learned from Kurosawa, which is that by making everything just a bit off-kilter, a bit dirtied-up and imperfect...

... and yet keeping it all consistent, in a way, you manage to make the film feel grounded and immersive, no matter how alien it is.

"[It] may sound odd in a movie like this, but credibility and realism, even in the most unrealistic situation… to sorta create that sense of realism is very important to making the story work and making you feel like you’re actually in the environment that transports you and gives you the suspension of disbelief that you need in order to enjoy a movie. [...] Kurosawa used to call it “immaculate realism” which is to make it slightly off-kilter, slightly eccentric, like things are in real life. Even if it’s a very predictable situation, give it that little funny edge that takes it away from that and makes it realistic. And I had to struggle very hard, in the Star Wars films, to make them appear to be realistic, even though they’re totally fantasy." - The Phantom Menace, Commentary Track #2, 1999

POST-PRODUCTION & VFX

Another one of the more impressive aspects of the first Star Wars was the dogfights and the trench raid of the Death Star. The camera pans with the spaceship, the dynamism of the cuts. The space battles is what made George creat ILM in the first place.

He was determined to do the opposite of what 2001: A Space Odyssey had done with that opening scene where the space ship moves into frame slooooowly...

... so he gave the team a collection of WWII dogfight footage to give them ideas.

(note: this was the same approach he would take years later with Dave Filoni, when teaching the latter how to edit and craft dogfights in The Clone Wars)

The attempt to film the trench run eventually led to the creation of the first motion control camera dolly.

Best analogy I can think of, when describing George's approach to Star Wars, is the following:

An avant-garde esoteric contemporary artist - y'know, the type who puts a blue dot on a white canvas and calls it art - creates a comic.

Why? Because he wants to make this one art installment for a gallery exhibition. After that, he intends to move on to other things.

But the comic is really good! And like, its audience quickly expands beyond just gallery visitors, no, everyone likes it.

Suddenly, the comic develops a cult following, and the entirety of comic book geek culture has zeroed-in on the artist and they're all asking him to make more art! And he makes more! And more!

Then he stops for two decades, moves on to other art projects, raises his kids. Years later, he discovers new ways of drawing, and he's like "I'm making a Prequel to the comic, y'all wanna see it?"

Everyone cries out gleefully: "Oh God, yes! Finally! Show us!"

But this motherfucker makes a manga.

Why? Because he feels like it.

And of course he does, he's just creating art, right? He discovered the graphic tablet, so he's having fun with it, because he's always innovating and pushing the envelope with his art.

And the movies are fine, by manga standards. But by comic book standards, they obviously suck! The comic book audience is mad. They wanted another comic book, not a manga. Why is it in black and white? Why is read right-to-left? This comic sucks!

(And arguably, they have a point... as a savvy businessman, he's made a whole lot of money off this comic, he built a media empire out of it, and instead of giving them what they want, he made something else)

But again... this guy isn't a comic book illustrator, and has been very explicit about saying this.

He's an artist who - for a very specific project - drew a comic.

Many things can be true at once:

the fact that these creative decisions didn't always hit their mark for the average moviegoer, or fans of "Star Wars, the space fantasy movies and expanded universe" (usually the lore-loving geeks like myself)...

... and the fact that they were meticulously and carefully crafted in a way that fans of "Star Wars, the revolutionary film" (aka fans of cinema and filmmaking) can appreciate.

There's a spectrum of the fandom, and there is a spectrum in the way we can appreciate Star Wars. Which kinda reminds me of that scene in Chef (2014) where Carl goes on a rant explaining the intricacies of making his chocolate lava cake to a food critic.

It's not just undercooked chocolate.

It's molten.

Conversely, it's not just flat, campy dialogue. It's an homage to the 1930s matinee serials à la Flash Gordon.

It's not just boring cinematography. It's a reproduction of cinéma vérité documentary-style camera work which effectively grounds the film.

Having considered all this, when I hear that Tony Gilroy or Kathleen Kennedy were more in the latter camp, I go "fair enough".

First of all, because like it or not, so was George. He clearly didn't give a single crap about the comics and books, besides signing off on minor plot points. He's not a "sci-fi movie director", he's an experimental filmmaker who makes movies set in space.

But secondly, because - aside from children - it's clear the audience he was targeting was these cinema-savvy folks who'd get his references and would be inspired by the filmmaking techniques.

Not the fans or the critics.

[klerothesnowman]

I'm probably going to post nerdy little rants about star wars every other day now and it's probably going to be related to KOTOR because my dumb ass plays a KOTOR roleplaying server on Neverwinter Nights and I need to get this energy out before I explode on the server group chat.

So like, the Jedi were completely right about the Mandalorian Wars, right?

I mean the time they sat back and watched while the Mandalorians killed a whole lot of people and then told Revan and other Jedi they're doing it wrong when they went out to stop it.

I know KOTOR2 tries to twist it to say that Revan was right for going against the council and fighting the Mandalorians, but that doesn't really sit right with me.

This is a really controversial one, so bare with me. But there's no way that the Jedi were watching what was happening and going "Hrm. We will just let that happen and do nothing." It's been a hot minute since I played KOTOR but if I recall the High Council was planning something before Revan went and Revan'd all over everything.

I feel like the Mandalorian Wars were not an existential threat to the Republic. I'm sure they felt like one, but these guys were just then adopting the idea of logistics and support lines, and one of the neat little themes kotor was pushing was that the Sith Empire and the Neo-Crusaders were basically the same thing. So if the Sith Empire is destined to collapse into infighting and betrayal, then it's ergo facto that the Neo-Crusaders likely would too. Maybe a leap to make, but I feel confident in saying that the Mandalorians maybe wouldn't have lasted. Killing a dude and stealing his mask is a pretty poor method of choosing a government.

The Republic's main issue against the Mandalorians was that they were taken off guard, the campaign guide for the older rpg system also added a whole thing about how there was an economic crisis and to revitalize the economy the Republic was giving free security on shipping lines to publicly traded companies, but capitalists gonna capitalist and so Czerka and Pals were gaming the system causing the Republic military to be absurdly stretched out by the time the wars rolled around. That's probably not really canon in the games but it's a fun idea and I like it. Either way, The Republic was taken off guard. Was there really a point in the war where they were put *on guard*? Was it before or after Revan. Who's to say that Revan whipping the Republic into shape was more of a case of good timing than anything else?

So yeah, Mandalorian wars probably not an existential threat to the Republic but, again, I'm sure they felt like one. And then here comes Revan, getting people riled up, leading the armies, kicking ass, taking names, and fighting the bloodiest war the galaxy had ever fucking seen. Like, holy shit. There was a lot of blood. Dxun had soldiers throwing themselves on mines just to clear fields for people to run in and kill some more. It's gruesome. 10 Republic Troopers to kill 1 Mandalorian. That's the kind of K/D ratio Revan, hero of the Republic was cheering about.

That's just fucking insane isn't it? 10 to 1? Revan wasn't leading an army he was playing Imperial Guard in 40k. He would send out soldiers to die as "feints", including throwing people into minefields. Nice protecting the galaxy asshole, your tactics are responsible for killing so much of it.

And that's intentional, right? Even outside the ideas of "Revan was weakening the Republic so he could take it over" or "Revan was weeding out the weak so that the Republic could become strong enough to face the True Sith Empire" or whatever, it's just kind of the idea that Revan's tactics were brutal, aggressive and while they killed a lot of Mandalorians they also got a lot of Republic Troopers killed too.

It was never about protecting the galaxy.

One of Revan's tactics was to abandon planets to the Mandalorians, let them take it, so that they had to stretch their defensive line further. Then they'd attack and take the planet back, disregard what happens to the people still on the planet when that happens.

Revan's strategy was "Victory at all costs", and "Moral Shortcuts" were common place.

Revan's victories aren't described as "Defeating" the Mandalorians. He annihilated them.

Revan's name comes from Revanchist in universe. I'll give one guess on what that means.

It was never about protecting the galaxy, it was about killing Mandalorians. Emphasis on Never, no off screen Sith influenced Revan to act like this. This wasn't the result of Revan experiencing the horrors of war, it was the choice he made from the start. The Jedi didn't go to war to protect people, they didn't go to war to save the galaxy. They went to war to kill Mandalorians. To get Revenge.

This is why stuff like the Revan book bothers me, where the idea is that Revan went to war as a good little Jedi and was corrupted by evil Siths. Or KOTOR2, where they make Revan into a 4D chess playing super genius who actually never fell to the dark side kind of not really.

Revan going to war from the start was wrong. It was not the Jedi way.

[azems-familiar]

ulic.

My first impression

oh this man's a bit arrogant isn't he. kinda hot though

My impression now

i am chewing on the walls.

Favorite thing about that character

he's got gifted kid syndrome out the ASS

(i love everything about him. he's so fascinating he's my little blorbo i want to spin him around in my brain)

i also really love his relationship with his brother, Cay (the song "the killing kind" on the playlist i linked below is for their relationship). it's deep and tragic and it hits so hard every time

Least favorite thing

EVERYTHING about his ending. this is not his fault but Holy Fuck i cannot believe what they did to my boy

Favorite line/scene

"how do you plead?"

"i don't plead with fools."

KING!!! KING SHIT!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAA.

Favorite interaction that character has with another

when Exar shows up to rescue him on Coruscant and they spend the whole time bantering and bitching with/at each other. i'm so normal

A character that I wish that character would interact with more

....Exar. okay outside of that? Mandalore. i honestly think their relationship is fascinating and i wish it was focused on more than just as brief mentions for why Ulic has the Mandalorians' loyalty for war

Another character from another fandom that reminds me of that character

from the SAME fandom, i accidentally made my Revan a massive Ulic parallel, so. there's that. uhhh from another fandom....hm. that is a difficult one. i'm....not sure i can think of any? he reminds me a lot of Anakin Skywalker in some ways, the golden son who fell and became the very thing he fought against, but most of the other media i enjoy doesn't have quite that same like... vibe about that narrative that star wars does, you know?

A headcanon about that character

i am not going to go into excruciating detail about my entirely made-up backstory for him but the important big deal is that his father was from House Panteer, the Alderaanian ruling family, and was only a few degrees removed from inheriting the throne, so Ulic is a royal and could, with some judicious assassinations and court games, actually end up the lawful heir to Alderaan

A song that reminds of that character

let me just.....

An unpopular opinion about that character

i do not fucking care what the comic tried to do and say, Ulic wasn't "under the influence" and "out of his mind" the whole time, his fall was a choice, it was intentional, the dark side poison made his anger stronger but he chose to stay, he chose to do all that! also cutting him off from the Force was the dumbest and least cathartic ending possible. ugh.

Favorite picture

i don't have it on hand because you can't screenshot from the site i use to read these comics anymore, but the panel where Arca is dying in his arms and he's on his knees holding his body? yeah. that one.

[nijigasakilove]

Finally get to meet Lord Couran! All this build up to the political power struggle with he and his brother, nice to finally see the man in the flesh.

Definitely understand why Revan and the others were backing him. Kind, thoughtful and just like Ars he believes in putting the most qualified and loyal people in positions of power. Lot of respect for him making sure that Ars was comfortable at the ceremony and received recognition for his deeds last episode.

Don’t blame Ars for needing a break from the party. Socialising is extremely taxing, but that was quite bold to stand on business and tell Couran he couldn’t have his retainers.

I gotta say tho, one thing that is a head scratcher is why ars keeps acting like a little kid when he’s a 40-50 year old soul on the inside. He gets really flustered and shy at times when it doesn’t make sense considering his background as a noble in his past life.

Couran and his brother could not be more differently holy shit. It’s imperative the younger brother gets nowhere near power because he seems like a classic villain. His retainers not suggesting he recruit Mireille is why you need to have smart people on your team. Now ars/couran will get her and that’ll probably be decisive lol.

Charlotte might have some competition for best girl now.. another mommy dommy added to the group lol.

[allronix]

Carth and Force Sensitivity (crossposted from Reddit r/kotor)

This is for @k-she-rambles:

Okay, so while we're shooting the bantha crap over on KOTOR fan theories, u/134340Goat mentioned my all time favorite "Have you been chewing spice?!" fan theory when it comes to KOTOR: Is Carth Force Sensitive?

So this one starts with a story. I mentioned my brother in law, who is pretty much Keeper of the Jedi Archives. Seriously, he's an English teacher and my sister is a librarian. They met at a sci fi convention and their first date was Phantom Menace. We're taking not just geeks, but geeks who can throw the damn bookshelf at you. Brother in law bought KOTOR on the day it launched and turned it into a week long binge watch at his house. And because brother in law is that kind of geek, he's translating the characters into the West End D6 system. I'm watching him do a playthrough, and he's got Canderous and Zaalbar at Ajunta Pal's tomb.

Allronix: Huh. That's odd. Why aren't commenting on anything when Ajunta is speaking?

Bro in law: Oh. They can't even see Ajunta. You have to be Force Sensitive to see a Force Ghost The stronger your Sensitivity, the better you can see it.

Allronix: Really? Then how come Carth can see it?

Bro in law (gets the "holy shit, I gotta confirm this" look): Really?! He just sees something out the corner of his eye or something?

Allronix: No, he sees Ajunta just fine. Understands what the dude's saying too.

Bro in law instantly rolls back to his last save, swaps Zaalbar for Carth, and sees the bit in question.

Bro in law: Oh. Dear. (Goes over to make some quick scribbles on Carth's character sheet)

Okay, so maybe that was a lore fail. I didn't really think about it too much until I hit that False Level Up glitch and ran around with Carth and Mission as Sentinels. Now, while I couldn't really see Mission as a Sensitive, that little bit with my bro in law nagged at me. And became a "once you see it you can't unsee it." Apologies to TV Tropes, where some of these were my additions to the Wild Mass Guess entry on this topic.

Any one of these on its own is pretty easy to blow off. After all, man is career military, and knows All this Shit is Weird. I also like to think of Sensitivity as a spectrum and not a switch. If all life is connected by the Force, then all life would be Sensitive to some degree or another. It’s just a matter of to what degree. It’s only as the list gets longer and longer does the case start looking damning...

What are the odds of surviving that attack on the Endar Spire, getting to the escape pods, sharing the last escape pod with the mindwiped Sith Lord, piloting through the chaos, landing in what passes for the "good" part of town, remaining uninjured, pulling the badly injured mindwiped Sith Lord from the wreck, evading Sith detection while all this is going on, and just happening to find a dump of an apartment where the landlord's not asking questions? That is one amazing string of coincidences and good luck. Get that many in Star Wars, and it's definitely The Force sticking its nose in things.

Piloting the escape pod to land in the Upper City, piloting the Hawk through the Sith Blockade of Taris, the random Sith patrols, the escape from the Leviathan, and the fleet around Lehon along with the crash landing that left the ship easily repairable. Now, compare to Atton who we know to be an excellent pilot and drawing on The Force who still manages to crash the ship at least three times.

He's a scary good judge of character if you're interacting with other NPCs. If you watch him with other NPC characters, he's got a pretty good compass as to which characters are being helpful and which ones are full of shit. The only one he calls incorrectly is Rukil, who is probably also an untrained Sensitive (the age, the "marked" comments) and half senile, which is probably throwing him.

Related to that, his distrust and wariness about something not adding up with the PC, the Jedi Council feeding the party a line of bull, that things just aren't adding up. And on all of it? Dead on. He's 100% right about the Player Character, he just expected something a little less crazy than "that's Darth freaking Revan."

If you play Female Revan, then Carth's the one who gets fried in the torture cages on the Leviathan. Saul comments how strange it is that Carth takes so much punishment and still remains conscious. Now, this is a low level thing, but in lore, Force Sensitives have drawn on it to keep them alive or conscious under duress. Explicitly, the first sign we got that Leia was a Sensitive when she withstood the Imperial torture droid.

Another of his scary ass judge of character feats? In the comics, Zayne (who is on the run from the Jedi, who framed him for the murder of his classmates) has a vision that Mandalorians are coming for Serroco. Saul? Laughs it off, throws Zayne in the brig. Zayne's own friends don't even believe him. Carth gets one of those creepy hunches and starts calling in "duck and cover" sirens as far as he can broadcast, which sends seventeen cities and millions of people heading for shelter. It saves their lives and Carth is called a hero for it. Armed with another hunch, he disobeys Saul (remember this is before Saul nukes Telos) and lets Zayne "escape" from custody. Mind you, not even the Jedi or his party members believed Zayne. Carth did.

Carth makes a lot of creepy weird offhand predictions about the future. He says he knows on some level he'll be there when Saul dies. That certainly pans out. He makes an offhand prediction that the Jedi have set the party up to take a fall. Right again. He tells a female PC that she'll have to make a choice soon, one she can't walk away from. And then we get the temple top. He even blurts out that "I sensed you would have to make a choice soon, and that was it*, I can feel it!"* If you specify a LS Female Revan, his recording for T3-M4 says he's had a hunch Revan would leave without warning. Again, spot on.

Specify a LS male Revan, and Carth will remark to Bastila that seeing the Exile reminds him "there are worse things to lose." The only other people who can see just how screwed up the Exile is are the Jedi Masters, Chodo Habat, and the Force Sensitive party members.

Specify a LS female Revan, and Carth will insist that he would know if Revan were dead (again, scary ass intuition) and that there's an "emptiness" where she used to be. Now, remember one of the things about a broken Force Bond? It would simply be "empty, a wound."

You know how your party members in KOTOR 2 feel upset or even horrified as they realize they feel compelled to protect Exile and can't being themselves to leave, even when said actions are kicking puppies? And how they swing wildly from being crazy, almost stalker level possessive of them to being scared out of their wits and clamming up when you try to pry anything out of them? And the more potent (and untapped) their Force Sensitivity, the more they get hammered with the effect? (Mira and Atton in particular) Yeah. Now, Carth's "I don't wanna talk" looks a bit different, doesn't it? It could also account for that romance arc, especially if you roll a DSF Revan and go for that "everyone dies" ending.

Again, Ajunta Pal. Seeing a Force Ghost? Yeah. Some degree of Sensitivity needed. Understanding what he's saying? Yeah. Takes a bit more than that. And Carth makes a weirdly insightful comment about the Dark Side on top of it.

Notice that this a wall o text argument already, and I'm now just getting to the "Yeah, his kid is able to throw around mid-level Dark Side powers and packing a red lightsaber." Given the jawline and the muleheaded attitude, no way Morgana was fooling around with the pizza delivery boy. That's definitely Carth's kid, and that's definitely Force Sensitivity. Now, while it can skip a generation (see Theron Shan), it tends to run pretty heavy in families.

Lastly? Gee. He comes from a planet settled by and heavily populated by descendants of Force Sensitives who failed their training. I'm also willing to bet some bastard children of Jedi get passed off as "foundlings" and "orphans" and dumped there, too. Jedi are forbidden attachments, but not sworn to celibacy, so...yeah, bastard kids are gonna happen. There's probably a Jedi or two in that family tree. It's circumstantial evidence at best, but it still supports the case.

Now, any arguments I missed? Counterarguments?

And the million credit question: If there's a character who gets to break this news to poor Flyboy, who do you think would actually take that on? How do you think Carth would take that kind of news? And what, if anything, would come of it?

I kinda figure Jolee might be the only one nuts enough to poke that with a stick...I also kinda figure "Sentinel" would fit best. Consular? Hell no. He hired Mical for that. Guardian works with the feats, but the whole "ferreting out deceit and injustice?" Yeah. That's Carth.

[sullustangin]

Book of Boba Fett

Spouse has watched the first episode twice in excitement.  Below the cut are my initial reactions, but I have one, non-plot related thing to share: 

The Legendary Max Rebo Lives!!

Favreau and Rodriguez are treating the Sand People similarly to how a LS Revan would in KOTOR; there is a distinguishable culture and value system here.  They are not the ‘scary savages’ we saw in the original trilogy.  Spouse, who has an advanced degree in American history, indicated that some of their cultural features are more drawn from the Apache than the North African and Arabian beduin cultures.  This would fit in with Lucas’ original influences:  fighter pilot films, westerns, and samurai movies.

We also see this in the choice of terminology they use when describing Lord Fett.  He’s described as a daimyo -- that’s not a crimelord title.  That is the term  for a noble Japanese landholder who has samurai operating in his service.  I have some concern about using the term in this context; it conflates the Japanese social structure from 1156-1867 with the underworld.  When they go to Paradise, the rendering of protection money further underlines that Boba Fett is not a legitimate landholder here... and yet, he is, since the galactic governments have forsaken Tatooine.  Perhaps this eliding is purposeful, then, but it does give me pause on initial viewing.  We’ll see how this develops throughout the series.

I like how the series gives some insight as to Gamorreans (who are often viewed as stupid animals rather than sentients), and I did like seeing the diversity of Twi’leks and their positions in society.  There’s a bad tendency to equate them to sex slaves, particularly the women.  Here, we see not only men put into the same position, but we also see representation of Twi’leks with power -- the mayor’s rep and the proprietor of Paradise.  These are but brief moments, however, so I’ll hold back on overall judgment until we see more. 

Less serious responses:  Holy shit, I want to cosplay Fennec Shand so badly now.  I’ve wanted to do this since she first appeared on the Mandalorian.  Spouse is currently showing me the Bad Batch episode with her in it, and I need to grow my hair back out to braid it like she does.  I also look forward to her outfit in SWTOR. :D

Temeura Morrison is wonderful.  He plays a Boba Fett hampered by injuries suffered in the sarlaac -- digestive acid exposure, probably.  He isn’t the hunter we see in the original trilogy, nor is he exactly like Jango.  The face is meant to be the same, but Morrison isn’t taking the easy way out by playing all of these men as the same character.  This is his moment to shine in his career, and he knows it.

[renesassing]

rene answers old shit: kotor edition

this is good bc revan can communicate in many verbal and non-verbal languages but chooses violence instead. completely incomprehensible. malak only knows what they mean because he’s immune to Revan Bullshit

his friends include: dead people, dead people, more dead people, T3-M4, sometimes bao-dur, and visas. he used to be a big people person with a large social circle but y’know when you feel all your friends die through the force and it turns you into a living wound it kinda shifts your social relationships.

the exile doesn’t deserve most of the bullshit the exile goes through, let’s be honest here. but then again, is there a single person who deserves to deal with kreia?? except maybe revan and the sith triumvate (and maybe atris??)

the exile and revan have a complicated-ass relationship but they are brought together by their shared love for t3, dunking on the jedi, and bitching about how much of a pain in the ass kreia is. you never see them ‘getting along’ but they’re never far apart from each other?? they work in perfect sync?? are they frenemies? exes?? who fucking knows. 

edit: i forgot to say dont apologize for your english, it is very good, and even if it wasn’t i dont give a shit, i’m a native speaker and i speak in broken english all the time. if you speak english as a second/third/etc language you fucking rock, it’s a bitch to learn. 

@your-fathers-lightsaber​ thank u!! lol im bad at consistent faces. i’m glad u enjoyed revan’s face journey and more importantly, though it’s a year late, welcome to kotor hell! congrats on your first playthrough, unless you killed mission, in which case holy shit you went all in for your first playthrough huh

revan rolling up on malachor like “im queer and i’m here baybee” kjdaskjass. i am here for bi revan. also i know being bi is not ‘being attracted to only two genders’ bc there are more genders than that but also i like to meme so: 

personally, my revan has id’d as pan and bi throughout their life. we stan a nb queer icon.

[themildestofwriters]

Anti-Jedi Masterpost

Okay, so I’ve been told that I’m making shit up about Jedi Crimes so here’s the Receipts. And no, this isn’t about making The Good Guys Always Bad. We’re not saying Obi-Wan Kenobi is a horrible person you should feel bad for liking. We’re saying that the Jedi Order is massively flawed and the constant downplaying of its horrible traits doesn’t help anyone. You don’t have to hate the Jedi. We just want you to acknowledge their crimes without downplaying it.

The Jedi created the Sith

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hundred-Year_Darkness/Legends

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Exiles

At the end of the Hundred Year Darkness, a terrible war between Light Jedi and Dark Jedi of the Second Great Schism, the Jedi Council chose to exile the Dark Jedi into Unknown Regions so the war criminals may find redemption in their own time. Though noble hearted their goal, the exiles didn’t want redemption. They wanted revenge, naturally.

So when they found a species of powerful Dark Side savants, they promptly enslaved the species, named Sith, and became Lords of the Sith. These Sith were the forebears of the Sith Order which repeatedly went to war against the Jedi out of revenge or simple hatred.

The Jedi didn’t intend to create the Sith but through their ill thought out actions, they created their own enemy that would plague the galaxy for years to come. In fact, this can be stretched further as, aside from Vitiate’s Sith Empire, every other Sith Empire had its origins within the Jedi to some degree.

Freedon Nadd? Jedi. Exar Kun? Jedi. Revan and Malak? Jedi. Traya? Jedi. Sion? Jedi(?). The New Sith? Jedi. The Brotherhood of Darkness? A mixed bag but they came directly from the New Sith. Bane? Not originally a Jedi founded order but it was founded upon the beliefs of the Jedi-turned-Sith, Revan. The One Sith? Jedi.

The Jedi kicked people off of their homeworld for religiously charged reasons.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vahla

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ember_of_Vahl

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Post%E2%80%93Great_Hyperspace_War_counterinvasion

The Sith are an obvious one but they’re done to death. In short, after the Hyperspace War, the Republic (and Jedi) decided to bomb the Sith back to the Stone Age, kicking the Sith off their holy world, off their ancestral homeworld, and off many other Sith worlds.

However, was most don’t know is that the Jedi did this again to the Vahla, a species similar to the Sith in that they’re naturally dark side aligned and entirely force sensitive. Their religion was hedonistic (it’s not a cult if most an entire fuckin’ planet practices it, and just because the Jedi believe Vahl to be a Dark Side Adept doesn’t mean they are!). They were decimated by the Jedi for their  “destructive tendancies” (whatever the fuck that means) and kicked off their home planet long enough that it became lost.

Basically “Jedi didn’t like what the Vahla were doing on their home planet so they confiscated the planet as if they had any right to.”

The Jedi murdered ex-Jedi who wanted to peacefully form their own academy.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Legions_of_Lettow

A Jedi wants to learn about the Dark Side. He doesn’t do it behind anyone’s back, he makes his intent clear. He asks the Jedi if he can learn and they turn him down. He asks if he can make a Jedi Academy far away from the original Jedi Academy so he can learn safely. They say no. He decides “Fuck it,” and quits being a Jedi and makes his own Academy where the Dark Side can be learned. The Jedi are miffed.

Soon, the Dark Jedi’s academy gets big. Like, really big. The Jedi don’t like that. They really don’t like that. They want to fix the Schism and the way they do that? By declaring war and murdering them. Oh, but it gets worse. The Jedi Council decide that a war far away from civilization was no fun and decided to push the war closer and closer to the galactic core so that way the Republic would get involved.

The Dark Jedi tried to warn the Republic, but they wouldn’t listen. Instead, they declared war against him. And his side lost.

Taking this into consideration, it’s no wonder the Dark Jedi of the Second Schism preemptively took up arms against the Jedi, if it was truly them who fired the first shot, so to speak. They saw what happened last time and didn’t want a repeat.

The Jedi disarm and revoke the rights of Jedi who officially deny the Council’s commands.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Right_of_Denial

A story as old as time. Your peacekeeping order gets cast as the generals of a war and you and your academy decide you don’t want to be conscripted into the war. What follows is these Jedi formally denying the Jedi Council’s command in protest, but to do so they have to give up their rights as Jedi, including their right to wield a lightsaber--can’t having political opponents having weapons, now, can we?

The Jedi aided and abetted slavers.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Huk_War/Legends

When the oppressed fight back against their oppressors, the Jedi are there to kick the oppressed back down into the dirt--all because their oppressors got to the Jedi first and the Jedi didn’t bother getting the context. Important context, like the fact that the guys who started the war only started the war because of the whole “We’re being enslaved and we don’t want to anymore,” thing.

Also, Clone Wars. The whole deal with Jabba, known slaver. Make it worse by making known slave Anakin Skywalker do negotiations with them. I ain’t giving you a source, it’s the story of the animated Clone Wars film with Ahsoka in it.

The Jedi built a 20,000 year old secret prison.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Prism

Exact date might be off, but where’s the lie? They had a secret prison that not even the Republic knew about since the Second Great Schism. Who knows how it operated and changed over the years. All we do know is that whatever the Jedi did to their secret illegal prisoners in their secret illegal prison, it probably wasn’t good, from a certain point of view.

The Jedi have an elite force of assassins who murder anyone they see as wrong-bad-evil.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Shadow

Uh... Jedi Shadows. ‘nough said.

[duelofthefatesmp3]

i DO actually wanna know how youd make kotor 3 !!!!!

this ask has been sitting on my inbox for so long on PURPOSE! i wanted some time to re read the revan book + watch some swtor gameplays so i could give a concrete answer about why the book and swtor arent satisfactory and what i would do instead (im not like. a storytelling god so i this is just my PERSONAL idea). under the cut!

to begin with, what's wrong with revan the book and swtor, mai?

i am very fond of swtor i think it was such a nice idea to have an "open" world game set in star wars old republic time. but ultimately, it was not a good conclusion to revan and meetra's storyline! now, i don't really know what happened in the development of the third kotor game (if there ever was a plan for one) but it's clear they dropped the ball on that and decided to start a whole different project. i don't think we can blame disney for that one, because it was announced on 2008, launched in 2011, and disney had just bought star wars that year. so who knows.

the thing is that it's painfully evident that a bunch of the story that was gonna be in the third game, ended up in the book + misc parts of swtor. much of the book feels like a gameplay.

now, it was clear when the book was planned that they wanted to keep revan's story open so when the game came out, they could have a cool Revan storyline so he could make a cool villain appearence and draw in some of that kotor nostalgia. which ehhhhhh. uh. i don't really think did any favors for revan's character. he didn't have a satisfactory arc (I'm not saying "a happy ending" because good arcs aren't always happy) but at least some closure?

revan went through many big events in his life. we didnt need to keep his ass in stasis for his fun villain moments 300 years later. we already had what we wanted from him: jedi turned sith turned jedi again to defeat a terrible threat. that was it we could have let it there and it would have been cool! but then they decided to drag and drag his story just to leave him right where he was before. he just suffered a little more in the in-between.

you could say he finally redeemed himself of all of his crimes this way, but wasn't that the whole purpose of the first kotor game (and would have been the purpose of the 3rd?)

swtor does not centre revan in his own narrative. he's a side character for the player to experience. and look, i get it, we've had a different protag on each game, why not have another one in this one. well, because the protagonist has no personal relationship with revan. meetra was one of his closest friends, and fought with him. there is a connection that can be exploited. but the swtor protagonist is just some guy 300 years in the future who happens to stumble into revan and his life. not even his descendants get to fully interact with revan.

also, there is the fact that revan is not the centre of the game itself, only of a particular storyline. and it's weird, because swtor could have happened without revan's involvement.

ms. meetra surik, ms. bastila shan, women of the world I'm sorry

so it's no news that star wars is misogynistic as fuck right. cause it is.

so you decide to make your gender neutral protagonist a guy. then you decide to make your other gender neutral protagonist a woman. cool. now let's guess who gets underdeveloped, turned into a plot device without reason, and promptly fridged in the most unceremoniously fashion just to fullfil some manpain moments. which one do you think got that treatment.

i know the revan book is supposed to be about revan, but why make meetra go through a whole arc just to undermine her character and turn her into the faithful servant of the guy? she leaves everything behind for him, sacrifices herself for him, hell not even dead is she not serving the guy. and she was the second game’s protagonist! she beat up a bunch of powerful people and now she’s just meh, there? she had so many interesting ways to interact with revan (meeting kreia, revan’s first master, encountering another force consuming entity, etc.)

meetra went through a whole arc about dealing with the guilt of doing something horrible and having the consequences of it cut her from the force. we see her broken, then slowly come back to the world and reconnect herself with the force, then stop running and face the consequences of her role in the war. thats such a cool character with tons of potential! and nothing happened!

then we got bastila who is. a whole deal. so you make her go through a “promising jedi who defeated revan, to questioning reluctant companion, to fell into the dark side, to was redeemed thanks to her bond to revan, who helped her come back because he’d been through the same experience” arc, and then you decide to push her to the side to have a baby?? which is... its clear that the writer didnt know what to do with her (or with the other characters outside of canderous) so hey, lets get her to marry revan and have a baby.

my ideal kotor 3

to preface, im not a game developer, so some of my choices could be stunted by what a kotor rpg can do lol. of course, it would follow the same mechanics and have the same format as the first two, because consistency!

the fun way to start the game, would be from scourge’s perspective. we get to play as a sith! i’d even say you get to change scourge’s name and gender and looks (i know sith have different looks)

in scourge’s storyline, we get from his arrival to normound kaas, to his talks with nissyris, to his missions working for her. in some of these, we can make scourge lean into the dark or the light side! fun! plus we get some exposition with dialogue options. it all continues untill we get to nissirys story about the emperor. we get a fucked up cutscene of his childhood and then BOOM when its over, we see revan waking up from a nightmare and their pov starts.

ok, as for revan’s story, since we’d have to pick it up from where kotor ended, i’d have a little cutscene of revan back into the ebon hawk, with bastila, and them telling the crew to take them to courascant. then cut to a council meeting where revan and bastila get scolded in private, then rewarded by the republic. i would also like to see some revan mournink malak’s death mayhaps. since he was their childhood friend and all.

i would 100% scrape the marriage and two years passed part. as the book said, the council had no use for revan aside from the legend(tm), so why would they stay in courascant. revan was very alienated from the jedi at that point, despite being back in the “light side”

then like, to revan asking around for meetra and other jedi from the mandalorian wars, we can cash in that atris cameo, then revan starts to have these visions about the sith emperor, and maybe we could get a playable dream sequence about revan’s fight with mandalore the ultimate (I KNOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.) and we get the whole exposition to mandalore telling revan that the sith are behind it all. i believe we should get a bunch of these flashback/dream sequences of revan’s past doing shit. cut to revan burying the mask in a planet, then back to the present. we see a bunch of mission and juhani scenes trying to reach him, but he keeps pushing them away. revan and bastila meet canderous, travel to the ice planet, meet clan ordo (god i love clan ordo) you get the whole quest, you decide weather to spare veela or not, maybe you get a cheeky mandalorian companion (force sensitive mando oh?) and leave canderous behind.

we can visit like, a couple more planets searching for clues maybe, etc. then when reaching nathema, you are forced to go alone as revan, get to explore nathema a bit (raiding ancient location yay) nathema as a location can be so fun because you can have it weaken you hp bar and also you cant use the force (which, in game is pretty cool)

then we get to scourge and nyssiris arriving to the planet, they fight but since theres two of them and revan doesn’t have the force, they beat the shit out of them, and while running away, they get in a fight with bastila and the companions in the ebon hawk (ebon hawk shooting game my hated). bastila manages to get a glimpse of revan’s thoughts before they take them away. but the ebon is so ruined it takes bastila, t3 and the mandalorian a while to fix it, and they get stuck into the unknown regions for a while. the ebon hawk is left in an outer rim planet with t3 fixing it, bastila and the mandalorian run back to the jedi council, only to get caught in the middle of the jedi civil war. we can have bastila choosing to hide in courascant and trying to make sense of what she saw, reading texts about the sith empire, trying to plot a course to where they took revan (more atris! but shes pissed at her now)

cutscene to meetra’s pov, leaving malachor v behind, getting calls from everyone at the hawk (atton my beloved) but just as she’s leaving she gets a force message from revan, calling for her to find him and sending visions of normound kaas. then, through her force bond with visas, she tells her not to go because they’re gay and in love and whatnot.

then boom, she gets intercepted by bastila’s ship, with the mandalore and the other mandalorian (yes i do love having a bunch of mandos on board) and they go on their way to find revan.

now i want there to be an underlying message of “we can’t take our friends with us because we have to do this ALONE we’re powerful JEDI we don’t need our FRIENDS.” meetra gets asked if she wants to bring any friends and she’s like “no. we have to do this alone.” along the game you get constantly contacted by other game characters, you get the chance to talk to them or ignore them.

so, we get back to nathema, and meetra has a whole “holy shit this is just like darth nihilus but ten times worse. but i beat darth nihilus. i can do this!” then she finds peace in this place without the force, we get a whole speech about how the odds arent against them, they find a way to normound kaas, and get going.

in normound kaas i thought about them getting a whole mission about how to infiltrate the citadel, only to get helped by scourge. he joins the party, we get a little flashback of all the years he spent trying to make revan remember and they storm the citadel. we get to fight the dark council members, fun! then we get to free revan and the game switches povs. bastila hands the mask to revan and he has a cool “yes im revan im pretty cool” then a nice heartfelt yet rushed reunion with everyone.

then have a small CONVERSATION WITH MEETRA where she talks about the sith triumvirate she defeated and revan is impressed with her and is like “we are the last hope of the jedi, we’ve learned to walk between light and dark, we’ve done horrors but we can still make things right, our experience has made us more powerful etc.

then they fight the imperial guard, ALL OF THEM, meetra revan and scourge make it into the throne room, they all fight the emperor. meetra shows the emperor that she has seen the void, she has cut herself from the force, and she’s not afraid of him, revan supports her, talks about redemption and hope  and NOW.

NOW. how the alternate endings could go:

if you decide to take scourge through the light side, he manages to form a forcebond with meetra and revan since they’ve both teached something about the duality of the force, they get 100% stronger, but its still not enough. UNTIL. a bunch of ships (jedi and mandalorian, even non republic ships) arrive to dormound kaas, the gangs from each game storm the room and together they make the emperor and his guard a bunch of punching bags. they beat him! (unknow to them, this was a backup body because the emperor can do weird shit like that, and has only debilitated his plan, but he’ll come back dont worry). then they fly back to the republic, to tell the chancellor about the sith threat, and preparations for the war begin. meetra and revan get to live happily ever after for a while, then they die away from the jedi or the sith (waaah im thinking about them helping canderous rebuild the mandalorians, and them doing it since they killed so many mandos in the war)

BECAUSE IN THE END KOTOR IS ABOUT LEARNING TO PROCESS TRAUMA AND RECOGNIZE YOUR MISTAKES AND LIVE WITH THE GUILT WHILST TRYING TO FIX THE MISTAKES YOU MADE ALONG THE WAY. AND ALSO TO HEAL FROM TRAUMA YOU NEED A SUPPORT SYSTEM SO EVEN THOUGH IT MAKES SENSE TO YOU YOU SHOULDNT PUSH PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOU AWAY. AND THINGS AREN’T BLACK AND WHITE ITS COMPLICATED SO YOU DONT END UP BACK ON SQUARE ONE YOURE A CHANGED PERSON.

or

if you decide to dark side scourge further, he betrays revan and meetra, they all die, and the emperor unleashes his angry lightning or whatever on everyone + a bunch of visions of all the enemies of past mocking them, and their loved ones suffering. and since you’ve had that “im not calling my friends bullshit” no one comes, you die there, and the emperor is only stalled for a few years. swtor ensues. scourge becomes the emperor’s hand.

now you could of course bring revan and meetra up in swtor, but maybe only as force ghost guides, or have some of the other characters of the game have relevance (visas tries to heal the miraluka planet 2021)

WELL THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS. HOPE THIS IS SATISFYING ENOUGH

[incorrect-kotor-quotes]

I was wondering how Revan would react if he met the Ghost crew from Star Wars Rebels. (Especially how they are in season 1).

Kanan: Revan would immediately see how in over his head Kanan is and alternate between trying to help teach Ezra, and purposely making the situation worse.

Ezra: Teach swear words to the blueberry.

Hera: The only one of the crew whom Revan will not mess with.

Zeb: Revan wants a bo-rifle, and if Zeb won’t give them one, they’ll spar with him until they figure out how to reverse-engineer the design.

Sabine: Mild annoyance that Mandalorian warrior culture hasn’t changed much mixed with complimenting her artwork.

Chopper: “Holy shit, HK, you’re still alive! What have they done to you?! Don’t worry, buddy, I’ll build you a new body and have you blasting meatbags in no time.” This confuses Chopper, but he’s not going to turn down a free blaster.

[lxstheroes]

so here’s a little plot call/starter call, and info on what’s going on with my boys post event! Capped at 3 each for now, will extend them when they’re pretty full!

alcohol tw, death tw, murder tw, violence tw, ptsd tw

Alexander Hamilton [ Hamilton, aware, human ] (2/3) - Peggy Schuyler, Lafayette

- AHam is scarred, but more so curious. He fought as hard as he can but was tempted to get to know more about the enhanced. Plots: friends, work friends, drinking buddies, political mentor(!!!!)

Emmett Cullen [ Twilight, aware, vampire ] (5/5) - Allison Argent, Jasper Hale, Benjamin, Renesmee Cullen, Allana Solo

- Emmett knows everything now and he hates that he forgot his family. He’s in constant battle with his diet, but has given into human blood during the event. Plots: people he injured, school friends, supernatural friends

Finnick Odair [ The Hunger Games, aware, human ] (3/3) - Annie Cresta, Ellie Williams, Peeta Mellark

- Finnick is scarred, from his death and now the reminder of how it happened during the event. He’s pretty much more broken now than ever but is trying to keep a strong front, still. Plots: secret therapist, people he helped during the event, friends

Goo Chan Sung [ Hotel Del Luna, aware, ghost seeing human ] (0/3)

- This cowardly boy was not so cowardly, well, until he died during the event. He’s aware again, and the ghost seeing would probably be stronger now than ever. He still works at the hotel. Plots: friends from the event, maybe some supernatural as well he could have buttheads with that reach out to him now? idk tbh just give me more connections for this sweetheart

Hercules [ Disney’s Hercules, unaware, god ] (2/3) - Fawn, Melissa McCall

- Woke up in the middle of the event, this poor sweet child, knows now that monsters exist. He’s p much just a student who has no idea who or what he is but has a strange affinity for Greek Mythology. Plots: give me some school friends for Herc, some people that may know who he actually is

Jacen Solo [ Star Wars, aware, human Jedi ] (6/??) - Tenel Ka Djo, Winter Celchu, El, Breha, Bail

- The poor boy can’t take a break, and as redeemed as he thought he would be during the first half of the event, it was all thrown away. He’s trying to be better, but is going to be shielding himself from the Force for a while. Plots: so give me friends, someone who can take him in for a job, people he protected in level 2

Revan [ Star Wars, aware, human Jedi ] (5/5) - Satine, Leia Organa, James Potter, Ben Skywalker, Ahsoka

- Shame. That’s it, he’s ashamed. He knows he broke everything he believed in and injured and killed a lot of people. Plots: confrontation, that’s it, for real, but also give me friends for Revan, like casual out of fandom work friends who work in the White House or maybe even work for the Department of Defense!

Scott McCall [ Teen Wolf, unaware, werewolf ] (7/7) - Peter Hale, Melissa McCall, Stiles, Lydia, Tara, Malia

- Died, thinks he’s a college student from DC. Some memories are blurry, like he doesn’t really know where his “parents” are, but he knows he grew up in DC. Knows he’s a werewolf but is having a hard time controlling it. Plots: people he potentially hurt in level 3, people he helped in 2, some fake college friends, exes, flings, etc.

Scott Summers [ X-Men, unaware, mutant ] (0/3)

- Also died, and also a college student in DC. His memories of the X Mansion are distorted, so he knows there is someone that took him in and helped him control his powers and raised him, but is now living alone. Plots: college classmates and friends, give scott a crew, potential fake love interests like exes and flings

Steve Rogers [ Marvel, aware, enhanced human ] (4/5) - Tony Stark, Scott Lang, Angela Rogers, Billy Kaplan

- Remembers everything, still in the police force, managed to pull out the shield from the basement idk how but let’s go with that. Still in a constant battle with sadness now that he has no idea why he ended up here and what’s going on. Plots: some police force buddies, gym friends, holy shit that’s captain america kind of fans, idk but pls give him friends because he’s sad

[waaaaanakin-crywalker]

I'd just like to say that Carth is lucky that out of all the Force-sensitives in Star Wars history, the whole 'brainwashing to work with the Jedi' happened to Revan. can you imagine if they tried this shit on Anakin? I love Anakin, he will always have claim to the first spot in my heart, but holy shit Anakin already has a thing about going on mass murder sprees when sufficiently pissed off and scared. anyway Carth can count his blessings he got Revan, who in-game is pretty cool and collected about the whole thing, and not Anakin.

[azems-familiar]

2, 4, 19, 39 for that pairing ask thing, for revan/alek/bastila of course

2) how’s their team work? do they share well?

so this Really depends on what era/verse of the gang but in 90% of them Alek and Bastila have this Silent Petty Rivalry going on for ages while Revan is utterly oblivious because holy shit Two Whole People. Revan is not smart. given that i write them as a V (haaard headcanon Bastila as a lesbian), Alek and Bastila utterly refuse to admit they’re friends for ages - oh my god the rivalry in the hp au is especially hilarious - but they Band Together the moment anyone threatens Revan. there are petty contests over who gets to get the closest seat next to Revan and many other things, it’s objectively hilarious, especially since they’re all completely awful at communication.

they do eventually get their shit together though and end up a good, solid team. there are a lot of things Revan shares with Alek that Bastila just can’t in the end understand, especially related to the war in my canon verse (i could give you a whole other set of paragraphs about them in the hp au ask me on discord if you really want that ramble), but post Star Forge there’s also a lot that Revan can only really talk to Bastila about - re the Council, the mind wipe, and Bastila understands the fall and return a lot better given that Revan post-Reveal went a little off the deep end into the Dark Side before realizing that oh, she doesn’t actually Want That. so they manage to find their footing and a good dynamic because Alek and Bastila both love Revan a lot and so are able to put aside their differences for her. (although there’s a whole lot to work through immediately post-SF re Bastila’s whole. imprisonment. which is a bit of a mess. but that’s another subject i’m rambling OOPS)

4. first impression of each other? was it love at first sight?

Revan and Alek met in the creche when Revan was five and Alek six. they Instantly Bonded. Alek’s realization of oh shit i’m in love happened the night they were knighted - Revan was nineteen and Alek twenty, and look he knew he’d had feelings but he’d been trying to avoid them, but then they went out and stole a speeder together and took it for a joyride and Revan was laughing into the wind and oh. oh no. then he spent four YEARS suffering in silence because she was too stupid and oblivious to pick up on it or realize her Own feelings until midway through the first war.

meanwhile, Revan’s first impression of Bastila was her fighting Brejik after the swoop race. Revan watched her and went oh no and Carth, who had previously been rebuffed because “i don’t do romance”, went “yeah i think i’m just not your type”. he was very right.

Bastila on the other hand has had a sort of hero worship crush on Revan since midway through the Mandalorian Wars, when she would hide bootleg holos of Revan’s fights under her mattress and even though she had no idea what Revan actually looked like it was a Whole Thing. meeting Revan as Shala did not help this crush in the slightest.

19) what do they fight about? what are their arguments like? how do they make up?

Actual Arguments are pretty rare; most of the times their fights are about incredibly small, stupid, petty things and they’re just bickering. all three of them bicker with each other as a form of affection. the Real Actual arguments tend to come over things like Revan deciding to abandon a planet to save Alek’s life during the war (because oh Yeah does that come out at some point post-amnesia) or about Revan’s sacrifices in general or about Revan running off to do something incredibly stupid alone because clearly that’s her best plan.

Revan and Alek get extremely sharp and cutting with each other if it’s bad, or they just get snappy in general because Revan is Determined and Alek is equally determined because he’s worried, damn it, Revan, and then Revan storms off and there are shields for like. a few hours. HOURS max. they’re too codependent to be apart longer than that especially with the bond. post SF it’s a bit different but i haven’t quite worked out all the details of their relationship there yet. they generally make up with a lot of silent apology and promises of affection across the bond and a lot of cuddling. Alek is almost always the one who gives in first.

Revan and Bastila’s arguments are a lot more explosive because Bastila also has a temper, they are vaguely less codependent, they tend to say things they’ll regret later and then Revan will go complain to Alek about it and he’ll get very annoyed. (on the Hawk it’s Jolee who plays relationship counselor. he is so tired. s o  t i r e d) eventually Revan finds a way to apologize without actually apologizing and generally attempts to like, do something thoughtful or bring Bastila something nice to help. Bastila, who is less ridiculously proud, can actually say the words “i’m sorry” without having an allergic reaction.

Alek and Bastila.... well. they can go for days on end without speaking to each other, while remaining perfectly unified on Revan’s Behalf. is this a healthy dynamic? perhaps not. but when has this triad ever been healthy.

39) who initiated the relationship? who kissed who first? when did they realize they were in love?

oh my god you’re hitting me with ALL the juicy questions today. SO.

i’ve already written a little of this and in the answers above, Alek realized he was in love with Revan on Coruscant when they were both knights, but he and Revan have a Force bond so clearly she Knew and thus if she Felt The Same she’d do something about it, and she never did, so clearly his feelings weren’t reciprocated, so it’s F i n e, clearly, he suffers in silence until a year into the war - i have written this scene! - at which point Revan kisses him while they’re back on Coruscant for her promotion to Supreme Commander. she’s going to figure out that she’s in love with him (as opposed to just loving him) either after Fett injures him on Lantillies or during the whole. Clefar shenanigans, i don’t know the specifics, i haven’t written it yet and i didn’t think they’d get together this early in the war so there’s that. they don’t actually Talk about being in a relationship like, at all, ever, they just don’t talk about this Thing between them, because there’s the war and then there’s Vitiate and then there’s the Sith and then there’s another war and then-

they do end up talking about it post-SF at Bastila’s encouragement because Revan finally gets most of her memories back and is Clearly Moping and Alek is Also Moping. god i’m going to have to write that aren’t i.

with Revan (should i say Shala?) and Bastila, hmm. i’m honestly not so sure on this one in my canon verse? it’ll make itself more clear as i write that fic, but i know that Shala has a hell of a lot of realizations post-Leviathan and i feel like this is one of them. i really want to say their first kiss is in the fucking, submarine thing on Manaan on the way back post-Star Map, because that was a Hellish experience, and then they do things Bastila regrets (except she doesn’t except she does except-) on the Hawk after, and then ofc the Leviathan happens. Bastila definitely kisses Revan first and i think she might realize she’s a little in love on Kashyyyk when Revan does the whole free the Wookiees thing? hmmm i’m going to have to poke at that more. 

anyway they have this whole scene at the temple of the ancients which is one of the few things from the kotor fic i have visualized in my head because it’s the moment Revan decides she’s going to choose the Light over the Dark and it’s massively important character-wise and i’m actually super super excited to finally get there so i can write it. post-SF they’re actually dating because they finally have a Sort Of Talk about it.

oh my god this got so long but i’m Not Sorry and i have approximately 30k more words to say on the subject especially related to the HP AU but i will shut up now lol. thank you for the questions!

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i just had a very angsty thought

Rev has fought off the Emperor’s influence before and could do so again in this situation, but that would leave her facing him alone along with the Jedi he just corrupted, and that would leave her weakened, possibly enough that he actually could control her

so she fakes it. pretends to succumb and return to the persona of Darth Revan, hides her fear behind mental durasteel and prays that in his arrogance he won’t look too closely

and holy shit it works, he struts about it for a while and then moves on, leaves them all to be trained as Sith, and now all she has to do is fake it long enough to find an opening and hopefully he doesn’t come back before that happens