#I guess this is discourse. lol sorry I hate discourse.

[cranberrymoons]

for the record none of my posts are me saying “911 used to be a good show”. or whatever. this show IS CURRENTLY good and i disagree with the current popular idea that it’s had a massive decline in quality because of bobby’s death. i think the most recent episode was honestly one of the best episodes of television i’ve seen in a long time, and the episodes leading up to it were also good and decently well paced. in my opinion. anyone who’s talked to me seriously about this in dm’s knows how i feel about the dead bobby storyline, which is that i dont think it was badly or disrespectfully handled at all. others are obviously allowed to have their own opinions about it but it seems like there’s this assumption that we’re all starting from the same premise when we’re actually like. not.

[faelapis]

not to take the shit & farts show too seriously, but guillermo being turned is a matter of bodily autonomy. and the idea that nandor refused to do it for 13 years because he knew whats "really" best for guillermo is vomit-inducing. as a trans person i've dealt with far too many people like that. its a bad idea and a bad headcanon.

[a-dragons-hoard-of-stuff]

I have mixed feelings on closed species

Well no, my feelings on closed species are a pretty solid “yeah conceptually speaking they’re pretty good! They’re not managed well a lot of the times tho.”

But I don’t know how to feel when someone criticizes them.

On the one hand a lot of the times it’s very obvious that the person complaining is doing so because closed species aren’t their cup of tea and that’s bad of them for some reason.

People will complain that they’re just too restrictive, and how they should be allowed to do art however they want!

Like yeah no shit. That’s why if you don’t like how a closed species is set up or the concept in general you just don’t participate in them?

Imagine someone doing this with like one of those month long prompt lists. Just someone raging on how dare this list force them to draw a flower today! As if it’s holding a gun to their head and not just a fun optional activity they choose to do.

Buuuuuut on the other hand, they almost are?

Many many closed species are… miss managed.

It’s very common for closed species enjoyers/makers to attack people that make ripoffs of said species. Even in cases where it wasn’t intentional or the species is something super basic.

I mean yeah sure if someone takes a closed species name, design, and lore and tries to pass it off like they made it sure, that’s rude. It’s akin to someone doing the same thing with an oc.

But if someone wants to make a robotic furry creature with a screen face they should not be harassed by pregens or however they’re spelled.

That’s a pretty broad concept. People can have similar ideas. One person can’t/shouldn’t own furry robots.

So I do get why many people have their hackles automatically raised when it comes to closed species.

idk i guess i just wished people would criticize the terrible handling rather than the whole concept

[arianick]

I hate Shauna Shipman discourse because people always act like it's unreasonable to dislike her when. no. it's not. Like yes, Shauna has arguably undergone the most trauma out of all the girls in the Wilderness; however, that doesn't mean that her brutality cannot be critiqued or disliked. I'm sorry but if I have to read another dumbass comment along the lines of "you can't handle complicated women" or "why are you trying to moralize the cannibal woman show" I will COMBUST. Just because the show centers on cannibalism does not mean you can't think a character goes too far in comparison to the others. Shauna is brutal and evil in ways the the majority of the other yellowjackets aren't. And guess what? THATS THE POINT. Its actually perfectly reasonable to dislike her.

Mind you, this is coming from a Shauna lover. Like I LOVE Shauna Shipman. That's my woman. However, I also know how to critically engage with a piece of media lol It just annoys the shit out of me when people get defensive about a character and act like its ridiculous to critique their actions.

[doberbutts]

hello! I'm the one that sent you that ask a week or so ago. Sorry I didn't check to see if you'd answered for a while because I was just so upset and had to take a second. I will say I scrolled through a bunch of helpful posts you reblogged before I even found the ask again that helped a LOT.

Two things I thought you might want to know is that it wasn't speculation that you'd blocked the weirdo blog that sent me your way: they literally have "proudly blocked by doberbutts" in their bio which was why i felt safe coming to you lmao. Second is I guess my struggle with this issue was an overall struggle with how bad wider misogyny has gotten in general and how muddied it's gotten with the "male loneliness crisis" and like, centering men's issues under patriarchy and just how insanely upset it's been making me. Seeing cis MRAs identify with trans men freaked me out because like, yeah it's important to talk about how (cis) men suffer under patriarchy but it's just so rare for me to find men do that without devolving into misogyny, and I start to feel so helpless because I know validating these issues matter but women are being literally dehumanized openly. I do play oppression olympics with this specific issue and just of COURSE women suffer more under patriarchy, but the same men who demand space to air how they suffer won't acknowledge that truth. (sorry for soapboxing; some of them do! It's just...things are so bad for women rn lol it's really hard to have compassion when it feels like none is being given to me).

So the more I see this issue the more I think people are being affected by larger misogyny like I am, but are doing the typical thing that happens where you lash out at a group you can "reach." Policing and harassing trans men's behaviours is way easier than cis men. I've also been seeing some parallels between this discourse and the "gay men vs lesbian women" discourse. It's not really a one-to-one but the discussion of the role of misogyny re homophobia towards gay men who still have male privilege but, come on, if they have feminine affectation it's Different and the back and forth that used to happen when gay men and lesbian women did oppression olympics, it just feels similar.

idk as i type this I hope I don't come across disingenuous or like, my Too Casual Overly Respectful tone is trying to subtly incept you. I worry my vibes are too "women first" but I just can't help it misogyny really is ruining my life 😭. Anyways I'm very grateful for your perspective and your blog. I feel more settled and equipped to push back against anti transmasculine behaviour with rhetoric that can actually challenge people

To respond to each point in turn:

1: Again I still don't really know who that is, though I am somewhat bemused by the idea that someone I clearly don't really remember is still so obsessed with me that they're proud I've blocked them. For the record, my block list is as follows: people who send anonymous hate, people who continue to harass me after I've told them to stop, people I catch with posts containing inexcusable bigotry, obvious trolls, self-identified zoophiles and MAPs, and people who repeatedly send me fundraisers after I have already said I only share fundraisers from people I know and trust. Being on my block list is, um, not really good company, so it's kind of funny to me that someone is proud to be there. Yeah I'm sure they'll fit right in with the neo-nazis and dogfuckers and cyber bullies. Oh and I guess my ex but I only blocked them after they started harassing me about our failed relationship years later. Enjoy block hell I suppose.

2: I'm not really here to play who has it worse, not because I don't recognize the wider understanding of privilege vs oppression but because I think it is a self-defeating thread of thought because you will always find a "more oppressed" example, and I think that people should be allowed to talk about their hurts regardless of their status of "more oppressed" vs "less oppressed". Talking about the ways society has hurt them is not what makes MRAs dangerous. What makes them dangerous is who they blame, how they go about fixing their problem, and the solutions to their problems they come up with.

To be quite frank, the majority of MRAs are men who have experienced some form of social rejection or isolation. Most have been sold some patriarchal lie about how by being men they inherently deserve good sex with hot women on demand, a wife at home to keep barefoot and pregnant, a high paying job where they are respected and valued regardless of the effort they themselves put into it, and all the luxuries that lifestyle can afford. This is a fantasy, you and I both know it. And when these men realize the hard reality that we live in an age of extreme social isolation, that in order to have a partner you need to actually have more personality than a used dishrag and with only half the mess at max, that good sex is about give and take and not just yourself, that these high paying jobs are few and far between with most takers being born into some level of wealth rather than any merit they themselves have earned... they lash out.

It does not at all help things to understand that many of these MRAs are themselves marginalized in some way, but their framework not only doesn't let them see it but also advocates a harsh rejection of anyone who is self-aware enough to realize it. A lot of these guys are undiagnosed, have trauma, and are just as affected by the systems of racism, classism, homo- and trans-phobia, xenophobia, sexism, and ableism as the rest of us.

Quite frankly, I'd rather these dudes see a group of (trans) men fighting for our place in society by joining hands with other activists with more feminist, black-friendly, disabled-friendly, gay- and trans-friendly in an attempt to lift everyone out of the pit rather than continuing to fight over scraps... than to see them continue to blame women and Jews and then go shoot up a school or a mall about it. One of these helps. The other just kills people and excuses rape. There's a lot of value in deradicalizing people by offering them a path to resolving their pain that is perhaps less destructive and more constructive.

This is also why the constant comparison to MRAs annoys me. MRAs kill people in senseless acts of terror and despair because they're upset that they're not having the sex fantasy the patriarchy sold them. Trans men talking about our oppression- regardless of the word we use to express it- are mostly talking amongst ourselves about suicide and rape statistics and sharing ways to get hormones and surgery despite unwilling doctors and insurance companies. We're talking about how our social groups rejected us the moment we came out, or how people use us being men against us in ways that was not happening before we came out or passed. These are not at all equivalent conversations.

3: Again I ask you- I see people using both cis and trans feminist frameworks to hurt other people. Where is your concern for that? I am equally concerned about TERFs as I am about MRAs, as they have driven multiple transgender people and our allies to suicide and even have committed acts of violence against people irl as a result of their ideology. Most TERFs will also be the first ones to tell you that they have been hurt, deeply, by men and that they also are frequently undiagnosed or untreated, traumatized, and affected by the same systems of oppression. Does their existence and their determination to latch onto every feminist conversation including those of people who are staunchly against them then poison all feminism to you? If not, then why make that distinction for trans men and MRAs?

I am black. I am Indigenous. I am transgender. I am gay. I am disabled. I am poor. I suffer. People hurt me. I see every day how bad things are. Do you think I cannot see it, or that my ignorance is the reason for my request for compassion? Perhaps consider that it is rather my knowledge and my lived experience that fuel my call for compassion, instead. I never said it would be easy. But I do think it would make a better world.

4: I do actually agree that it is very similar to the gay man vs lesbian conversation and have said for a while that it's the same queer infighting discussion we've already hashed out for the last 50 or so years, but the target groups just swapped out. It's just butchphobia, it's just biphobia, it's just aphobia, it's just panphobia, it's just nbphobia- it's the same fucking shit over and over and over again. It was shit infighting before and it's shit infighting now. Privilege is a conversation that depends so heavily on context, and the way it has been bastardized by the internet's poor understanding of political frameworks developed by women of color and their allies into cute soundbites and phrases rather than a deep, nuanced knowledge will never fail to annoy me.

Do gay men have privilege over lesbians? As a class, sure, they would have male privilege. But what do we mean by male privilege? The privilege to not worry about being assaulted on the street? To walk home late at night unbothered? To marry who they want, to have the romantic partner they desire, to feel safe within a domestic partnership? You and I both know that doesn't quite match up to the lived experience of gay men worldwide or even here in the "gay paradise" US. How does this interact with other marginalizations? Does a black gay man have privilege over a white lesbian? What happens if he's a drag queen dressed up for an event and she's a butch that passes for cis male? Does that change retroactively if this "gay man" figures out she's actually a transbian 5 years later, and the lesbian is a TERF? I'm not saying this breaks the framework of male privilege- I am saying that sometimes the theory doesn't match the reality, and a nuanced and intersectional understanding is required when talking on an individual scope rather than class politics.

Additionally- as a side note- it is also incredibly annoying to watch people act like privilege = oppressor = dangerous, and oppressed = victim = safe. Privilege, and whether or not you have any, is not a moral indicator nor is it an indicator of the safety of the person you're interacting with. I have privilege over people who cannot walk, because I can. I am not objectively or systemically oppressing people who cannot walk by the use of my legs in my day-to-day life. Oppression is action- if I vote for policies and politicians that removes ramps and safety regulations and provisions to assist wheelchair users? Now I am oppressing people who cannot walk. If I block or move or interfere with the disability aids, if I mock people or assault or harm them, if I dump them out of their mobility aids or break them, that is oppression. The act of climbing the 3 stairs on my front porch to get into my house is a privilege, but the oppression stems from the people who built my house to even have stairs on both exits.

5: lastly to end a very long post, I don't actually think there's any harm in centering yourself when discussing things that objectively affect you, as long as you remember to include others who are affected and let them have their floor to also center themselves when they need to speak up. I am a black trans man. My politics are pretty centered on black feminism. I don't think that is objectively a bad thing. I prefer to let the demographics with similar problems speak for themselves- I would rather my trans fem friends get the mic when they open their mouths, my lesbian friends, my Jewish friends, my latino and asian and arab friends. I don't think there's anything wrong with them centering their own problems and outlooks, as long as they recognize that there's shared space to be had with others who feel similar hurts. I think it's pretty normal to center yourself. I think the difficult thing is knowing when to relinquish the megaphone to someone who's been dying to use it, while you yourself still have so much to say.

[celestie0]

sorry, i wanted to make this a separate post

thank you everyone, i’ve read all your messages of support and i really appreciate it, from the bottom of my heart, n they make me feel better n validated n i am so thankful. i won’t be responding to them because i just want to lay it to rest, also it seems the more discourse there is about it, the more hate i am receiving so 😅 i’m going to leave it at that, but 🥺 i seriously am so thankful n agree w everything n am touched by the love

i’m just the kind of person where i freak the fuck out, and then i move the fuck on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i promise i’m doing just fine, i understand this is just a little digital land where nothing truly matters and no one can actually hurt me lol, so i’m just prepared to lay kickoff to rest n move on

anywho, so much love 💕 seriously, for people to take time out of their day to send me sweet messages really means a lot 🥺💕 i’m not going to quit writing because ik how many ppl actually support me, n quite honestly i just rlly wanna shag gojo so like the show must go on i guess

i’ll get around to regularly scheduled interaction soon!! tysm for the love on ihm ch10 ❤️ xoxo

[fifty-fired-fay]

Trust me. I'm not mad, I understand where you come from.

I'm transfem and "TMA". I've been in queer spaces online for about 10ish years (starting when I was 11 or 12). I've seen the discourse over bi's in straight passing relationships, aces and transfems. Kink, dyke slur, faggot slur, even queer as a term for the lgbtqia++ community, I've seen them all have their turn in the spotlight. I've seen the community try and pit bi's and pans against each other, calling the other transphobic and alike. I know the hate that black people (especially black queers), intersex, and non-binary communities get from people that should be their allies within the general queer community.

I know what it is like for "baby" queers. To have a sense of community for the first time. naturally you want to protect that. That's perfectly understandable. I would be lying to say that I wasn't myself a part of it when I was younger. On reddit, discovering terms for the first time and believing the first person who tells you their definition. I found a community that enforces that definition. I can tell you from experience, the communities that police definitions ALWAYS fails and falls apart. It especially hurts when your only link to the queer community is online. They always alienate a valuable part of our community from your circles. Some may never trust you again, there's nothing you can do about that (not to say you shouldn't make amends). Not to mention the real hurt and loss of self-understanding rigid definitions cause YOU.

So, please believe me when I say, TME/TMA is not a definition you should rely on to define communities. Overly simplistic and rigid definitions are things we NEED to avoid at all costs (only a cis deals in absolutes lol). There will always be exceptions to binaries. non-binary, intersex, or even having features often seen on the other sex (height, muscle mass, fat distribution, etc). These people often experience what we might call transmisogyny. Does a dyke with big muscles and tall figure feel any less invalidated when they are suspected of being trans in a bathroom when they're not? Does an intersex woman feel any less humiliated when they are bullied for having a bulge? Not to mention how black women are so often automatically seen as trans for not fitting the white beauty standard!

Some people (although I won't say all) have taken TMA to being the "most oppressed identity imaginable and the lowest class on the social hierarchy". Sorry to be blunt, no it isn't. You don't need to fear the police like a black person just because your TMA. Your money and basic rights aren't taken and given to routinely abusive parties on mass because the state thinks you don't deserve it/can't handle it like a disabled person.

I especially hate it when TME/TMA debates use transfem murders as a "gotcha". Those are BLACK transfems. killed because they are BLACK and trans. When a white trans person is killed, guess what? the national news reports on it. When it's a black person? silence.... They aren't your statistic, they're not your "gotcha". White people using black people as a political pawn in debates has a very long and unfortunate history, it's not a Wikipedia article don't contribute to it.

To be fair do I think transfems have it worst when only their queer identity is taken into account? sure! Is it productive to say? maybe. Don't only center yourself in these discussions. If a transmasc says "hey i relate!", don't tell them to make their own posts. It's just an asshole move. Especially don't single out people within vulnerable communities. It always ends with harassment or worse.

Yes, there are "TME" people who are assholes and act in the ways you describe. They are the minority. Always have, Always will. NEVER use a few members of a community to represent the whole. Terfs and other fascists use this tactic against everyone they don't like all the time. (especially us) Don't be like them!

Look, I know how hard it is to get out of these communities, to grow beyond this way of thinking. Some communities you might have made yourself. Ngl, it hurts alot at first, but trust me when I say this IF SOMEONE HARASSES YOU FOR LEAVING, THEY WERE NEVER YOU FRIEND or at least not a friend you want to have your back. (genuinely that's like cult shit and I was born into mormanism)

love all your trans brothers, sisters, and other siblings. it's the lgbT for a reason. all for one, one for all !

[starcanwrecked-confessions]

you guys are really good at guess who

sorry i had a stomach ache but i'm back to answer questions. Yes, it is specifically Starkid. No, it is not Hatchetfield. It is not the mother and father from TTO but they should get divorced they act like my parents. I would consider recent anything from 2019 onward.

why will i not say it? it started as not wanting to start discourse over the specific ship (because i hate a lot of the people who hate it) but now its just kinda funny lol. I promise if someone gets it I will shower you with praise and you can all discourse to your hearts content, I will go back into hiding and you'll never see me ever again. I just like being a hater lol.

~~~

[free-luigi-mangione]

Idk if you’ll relate to this, but I am so exhausted of reading about twitter vs tumblr, disagreements with weirdos on other platforms, discourse on mere approaches to new information that reaches the same conclusion.

It feels like a huge percentage of people lose the plot every. single. time. If the support is coming in, appreciate it. I don’t fw the twitter platforms, but if they’re supporting Luigi I do not care. Sure, I wish they would stop coming here just to send hateful messages, but if I’m not interacting with the information there then I do not need to have an opinion on it. Maybe I’m alone in this? Idk I’m just so sick of it feeling like cliquey combativeness. If people are supporting Luigi we should be happy. Do not seek out information on twitter or Reddit that makes you angry. Stop sending/posting asks that are so hateful to other “types” of supporters. We’re all anonymous strangers on the internet and we are DESTINED to disagree. But we’re all here for a common purpose and support is stronger if it happens on a (seemingly) united front instead of three wobbly legs.

Sorry for ranting, but I’m just exhausted of it. I hate getting on here and seeing factions of support being pinned against each other. It defeats the whole purpose of garnering support for a cause. Results of activism happen when people come together, not when they draw their attention against each other.

Also I don’t mean “you” as in you, I’m just speaking generally!! Thanks for letting me rant lol (I didn’t give you a choice💀)

i get what you mean anon i truly do but honestly the twitter complainers are the ones who always act like this is a fandom and have this idealized version of him in their heads and they're always either making fun of him or other people who support him and every time something new comes up, they always act like they're about to bring out a mop and start swinging at him to change him or his views which is so fucking weird in itself that both them and other people forget that they're also trying to support him, because honestly when they say stuff like we better see him tutoring poc and migrant kids after this when seeing him merely mentioning his centrist views in a letter, it's so weird and it feels like they don't support him or care about him as tho he's a human being too, they're putting him up on a pedestal and their self proclaimed support comes with too many if's and but's and honestly reddit does this too but on a lesser scale i guess, so while i'm sure nobody wants to fight any of these people and united support is better than three wobbly legs, it's sometimes too much to at least not make fun of because why are they attacking a political prisoner who could face the death penalty for his views when his alleged actions speak louder than any words he could ever say (and moreover he can't make everybody happy, somebody or the other would always be mad at him for his opinions)

i agree with your general sentiment about this tho, people joining hands in support is obviously a much better thing to do than bickering amongst ourselves

[frostyclove]

something ive started doing is going back and reading like, 09 takes on doctor who. ive noticed some things

the complaint about it 'not being sci fi and becoming fantasy' has always been around ; just changes names

each era complains that its become too (insert whatever modern day at the time word for 'woke' was)

the previous was always better at story arcs and character building

its too corny

its too campy

the effects are bad

its too emotional

its too detached and not enough emotional

callbacks will 'ruin it for the casuals' (spoiler : no it wont; this one gets a clarifier because i see it said multiple times a day whereas the others are like, once a day nowadays)

its become a farce/parody/shell of itself

"christmas specials and series finales keep getting progressively worse...." (this person ofc was referring to the first doctor as the last time the finales were good. yup.)

leaks have always been rampant but its funny how most of the 09 leaks were things that ended up happening in 2013/14

( i completely forgot moffat wrote in S1 and 2 and so on and was really confused for awhile why 09 people were acting like they knew his writing for who like that. thats my bad lol)

tabloids got leaks right and so people were begging for.... people to be more open minded..... towards the tabloids. sure jan

the rani mentions !! ironically.... everyone was saying (in the reference thread) that she was "too much like the master but science" so it would be pointless to bring her back. just feel like thats a relevant thought

"I'd like to see her come back. Hating the Doctor for destroying Gallifry. She's since been using her biological experiments to re-create another Time Lord." on that note think i found RTD's alt

just something interesting of note - i started watching at smith, so the 10 years in my mind are like, ages before. so its almost trippy to see smith theories and discussion at the same time as the like, discourse and post episode discussion of the specials. in my mind theyre like 3 years appart but apparently not !

this one was just silly "will s5 have a story arc' (time travle spoilers: it will !! and it will somehow be controversial despite being one of the best if not the best finale/setup since S1 !!)

awww i like this one - someone is complaining about only one doctor outfit. its nice given ~this yeaar~ and everyone complaining (for some stupid ass reason i dont get it ) that there being multiple costumes is ... ruining it. idk like i said i dont get it

"so we all know jack is a timelord but" sorry we all what now ????? i do not think so friend what

there was a website before this one??????? i guess that shouldnt surpise me but i didnt know about it does anyone know if its still up and running or accessible or like on the internet archive or anything im so nosy

"would a torchwood movie work better" said by a guy with unit in the name. sure jan. you clearly have made your alliance with the enemy. i doubt anything would make torchwood work for you babes.

there was a time you didnt know amy was little amelia pond???? you knew amy before amelia ?????????!!!!!! omg you got amy pond before you got amelia omg omg omg that does not compute well in my mind

person who literally called the river thing day pond got announced well fucking done i hope you are still on top of that guessing game

why is the uk afraid of midnight? yall act like its fucking 3am. most of the viewers are under 40. go to a fucking club. go to a pub. what is up with yall being afraid of midnight omg all the way back in 2009 people complaining about midnight press releases and how you can only be up that late if.... youre a shut in. culture clash i guess

ohh okay found some people being very sexist i think thats the end of the fun! got a whole two pages in before anything super bigoted.... 09 was doing better than today ffs.

anyways this started as things that actually happened even nnow all the time but then i got distracted by the time travel of it all (the internet is so cool sometimes ngl) so i shared some of the more fun ones. if you saw your 09 post mentioned in this no you didnt <3 (you probably did but just pretend you didnt its better for both of us)

[caeslxys]

glad as i am that cad approves bh's decision i'm also like. yeah the stakes were super high, everybody was affected, it's fair. but why is the hells' perspective on the whole thing last on the list of opinions people are interested in (i know why). they really pulled off a cosmic-sized move and the person most asked about it in the wrap-up was matt. same goes for bh's lack of influence at the end of the campaign, which is a very interesting aspect of the party to me, getting brushed off because the grown ups are gonna take care of everything and we like the grown ups because a. they're still their characters lol, and b. they were nice to us as bh. wasn't (one of) the point(s) of questioning the gods that powerful entities being nice to some doesn't mean they're not capable of violently fucking over others? sorry for the rant hope none of this gets caught in discourse

In fairness the wrap up was...overall bad lmao. The questions themselves weren't awful (though there were a lot of things that either had already been answered or were so clearly going to be answered with 'I don't know! guess we'll find out!' by matt that asking them at all seemed a waste of time), but One singular Laudna question from a whopping TWO in total for marisha was an unbelievable oversight on their part—especially bc it was absolutely not due to a LACK of questions or interest.

But irt to bells hells as they are perceived within exandria and the sect of fandom who believe themselves infallible in their totally unbiased logic, you're spot on! That was absolutely a massive part of c3's story—issue is, lots of people do not want to acknowledge that and make it everyone else's issue by just straight up lying all the time.

What's REALLY interesting to me about bh is something you mentioned at the top—how bh's opinions were looked to last even within exandria's leadership, and when they finally did they did so both reluctantly and conditionally (not to mention untruthfully, as well). This is actually the thing I think is most WHY bh were not only the only ones who could make the decision they did, but that their decision was the right one—whatever "right" means to you.

Another perspective I've loved to take apart in this campaign is perhaps the more obvious one of viewing it through the lens of parent/child relationships—specifically, the need for parents (the gods, vox machina, m9, and to a more individually obvious extent: liliana) to let the children (exandrians, bells hells, ruidians, imogen) make their own decisions and decide what the world they inherit will look like. A decision many bucked at, as so many do. It's the most obvious perspective bc it's built into basically every major moment (liliana and imogen, ludinus and the gods, even laudna and delilah) of the campaign, and it makes that dissonance with bh all the more real and poignant. They ARE last to be heard! Maybe if, for once, they and those like them weren't pushed to the side or ignored or hated than the outcome may have been different! Especially given how bh were practically begging for fifty episodes for someone to give them the easy answer. Ironically, if the exandrian accord and gods treated them and those they were witnessing with even a hint of regret, it might very well have been an easy answer. Even in the face of annihilation, they were incapable of that. Down to the very, very end they were planning on betraying the hells if they had quietly done exactly as they asked.

And see now I'm ranting. bc there's so many rants and breakdowns in my head. so no big deal I love rants I just spat out like three different ones that are only tangentially connected.

[rius-cave]

What do you think of Charlastor? It's okay if you're not particularly interested, I just wanted to know. A lot of people say “it's gross” because of Hell's Greatest Dad, saying Alastor sees Charlie as a daughter, even tho Viv herself said he didn't, and was just trying to annoy Lucifer. A lot of people treat shippers like we're freaks or lesbophobes for shipping them, or say we're erasing Al's asexuality... I'm aroace, I just love shipping characters that show good chemistry together. Also, people seem to forget that asexuality doesn't affect romantic attraction, and how Charlie is bisexual...

I don't know why I'm telling you this, I just wanted to vent I guess. Also, I love your art, and since you're also a proshipper I thought you might understand.

Greetings from Venezuela!

Eyooo hello! Thanks for the support!! <3

I'm gonna be so fr, people needing to be told that Alastor doesn't ACTUALLY see Charlie as a daughter and was just doing it to fuck with Lucifer is.... embarrassing dskfjdkgfdg, like have a LITTLE bit of critical thinking 😭😭😭 I'm sorry but it literally COULDN'T be more obvious.

I actually quite like seeing Charlastor from time to time lol. I wouldn't really call myself a shipper, but I like it! I especially enjoy the art where Charlie is depicted as the more assertive one, or just, Alastor is kind of lost trying to navigate around it dskfjdkgg (if you can't tell.... I love stripping Alastor of his ego it's so damn funny to me LMAO)

The discourse surrounding Charlastor is one of the most baffling things to me tbh. As I understand it, it was one of the most popular ships before the show aired because their interactions in the pilot were pretty cute. Honestly, I can totally see it and I definitely understand why it was such a beloved ship. I've also heard that the shippers were incredibly annoying and I can kinda understand why that soured the ship in the eyes of other people. But in my case? I think charlastor shippers are lovely, for the most part lol. Nowadays I think the annoying shippers are in another ship dskfdjgkdf but we don't talk about that.

Calling people homophobic for shipping charlastor is also the most braindead take I've heard in a while. I don't doubt that there must be some shippers who are legitimately homophobic, but I really don't think that's the majority of them and it's wrong to say that about someone JUST because they ship it.

And you can probably guess what I think about the whole Alastor is aroace thing lmao. First off, I believe it's not confirmed whether or not he's aromantic, secondly, ace people can have sex!!! and lastly and probably more importantly, I REALLY COULDN'T GIVE LESS OF A SHIT WHAT A CHARACTER'S CANON SEXUALITY IS WHEN IT COMES TO SHIPPING!!!

I simply don't care!!! If the dynamic is cute, I'll ship it!!! The character won't be any less aroace in canon just by drawing him swapping saliva with somebody else!!! People can fucking ship gay Angel Dust and sapphic Vaggie together for all I care!!!

*sighs* TL;DR I hate ship policing and I think everyone has a right to ship whatever the fuck they want

[eddiegettingshot]

I don’t want to bring more discourse to your blog but I do think it’s fucked up how they’re basically saying lesbians are oppressing men… the best part is that I think you guys have been incredibly civil and not even mentioned the ones doing this shit by name. On the other hand, they’re screenshotting your posts and posting them to their followers and basically calling for them to harass you. I don’t get how women can’t talk about wanting a fictional character to die but these men can call real women bitches and whatnot. I know misogyny is rampant but it’s jarring watching it like this, especially on tumblr where you expect people to be more progressive

yeah i mean if someone is fine with namedropping my friends i don’t care as much about namedropping them i guess although i still try not to LOL. but it’s actually sort of insane the literal targeted hate campaign these people have launched in complete bad faith.

and like, re: what’s been going on today, i completely understand and sympathize with the fact that being trolled/ragebaited with bigotry is a disturbing experience (although the response should be to delete it lol). i’m sorry for people who have received that kind of shit because it’s not fun. but it’s actually really, really fucking horrifying that they have turned some anonymous freak clearly trying to get a rise out of them by saying inflammatory shit into ANOTHER wave of misogyny/lesbophobia/literal hate against SPECIFIC USERS on here. with NO proof or evidence of who’s even behind the messages! you don’t know that the person isn’t someone who just hates buddie or hates paige enough to try and stir the pot! you don’t know if it’s someone who’s even on tumblr or if they migrated from another platform! but you’re being insane and now you’re doing worse than the shit you claim is Wrong to do to LITERALLY TOMMY KINARD because you’re talking about REAL LIFE PEOPLE YOU OPPRESS WHO ARE ALSO ON THIS WEBSITE. and after the other night where people were talking about actual tragedies and… trump… for some reason, like. it’s getting dire. these people need to log off until they can learn to stop being antisocial weirdos. and all for a side character with 20 minutes of screen time. it’s crazy lol

[kirain]

Hi there! I just ran across your blog purely by coincidence (I've been hunting through the Gale tag 👀) and I am absolutely appalled that people would talk to you so harshly about liking Gale. I wish could honestly say I was surprised, but with everything Else I've seen on the internet, I can't say that.

However, I just want you to know that there are absolutely TONS of us here on tumblr who like both Astarion AND Gale! I created this blog because fell in love with Astarion, but not long into delving into this world that is Baldur's Gate 3, I found Gale, and he SERIOUSLY resonates with me. So guess what? I fell in love again.

No one deserves fandom hate of any kind, for any reason, and I truly hope you find your tribe of loving, accepting Galemancers and Gale-accepters soon. And if you don't or if you're struggling, you're welcome to join mine. 🥰

Thank you! Us Galemancers have to stick together, and I'm glad you enjoy both characters! Unfortunately, I have noticed there's a lot of people like this:

As well as the cruel messages I've personally received. But since my post regarding the discourse, I've been getting far more messages like this:

As well as these in the notes of my posts:

And that's really refreshing. 😊

Of course, I know that the vicious Astarion fans are a minority, and I should've clarified that I don't think anyone should have to apologise for something they didn't do. Astarion fans who don't spread hate: you have nothing to be sorry for. You're not responsible for what other people in the fandom say and do. Don't feel guilty. ❤

Also, I want to thank you @astarioffsimpmain, and all the anons who sent me these messages. I'm sorry I couldn't get to each one individually. I tried over the weekend, but life had other plans lol. Genuinely, though, they were a delight to read, and I'm happy to see so many people praising Gale and Astarion alike. It's been a treat seeing everyone come together after so much discourse. It's almost like a perfect representation of their in-game relationship. Sleeping on opposite sides of the camp in Act 1, but beside each other in Act 3.

[baldursgateanon]

"We were lucky enough not to be subjected to the infamous rat diet drama on this blog thus far, but I guess it was only a matter of time"

Lol no I'm sorry I didn't want to start rat diet discourse. This was more about the BG3 subreddits and how they've seemingly started to defend Wyll after they've mostly hated or ignored his character

Also the Reddit fanbase is honestly way worse than the Tumblr one. So much misogyny, bad takes, and overly repetitive discourse over there. Not bringing this up to insinuate that they're better

I take 15 points of psyche damage every time I hear anout the rat diet discourse. I keep hoping the fandom will forget but they never do.

I checked out the thread I think you were talking about and it looks like there's tons of Astarion fans defending Wyll and admitting that the joke was just some harmless playful banter. Good for them, honestly.

[holybagelsstuff]

You maintagging my G-Man yapping got me hate reblogs lol

I don’t really care anyway, I just blocked them and moved on, this whole situation is just hilarious to me. Four years I’ve been rambling about how I don’t see him as a villain, four years I’ve made headcanons (let me reinforce, headcanons, just because I see him that way doesn’t mean others have to) that depict him as mostly benevolent, and never once have I gotten hate reblogs over it because I mostly kept it out of the maintag and only rambled about it to friends. Pretty sure I made like one or two public posts about it. Guess I’m paying the toll for all those times I didn’t engage with ship discourse in this fandom lol.

Anyway, I noticed that they got you too. Don’t feed the trolls and never stop doing what you’re doing, my friend. Don’t let the discourse of the month get to you, this fandom’s never been quite the same since 2020, I expect it to fizzle out within a week or so and then we can go back to enjoying the video game.

Thank you for your time, here’s a picture of my G-Man plushie.

Wait what's going on?? I didn't notice anything–

I'm so sorry this happened though, same thing occured when I made a post about Harley Quinn which didn't match other people's views on her. Sometimes you can't express your opinion on this damn website I swear ☠️ Well anyway, know that I love everything you write about G-man and you're always welcome in my inbox or anywhere else. You're amazing 🖤

P.S. This plushie looks very huggable.