#Iliad brainrot

[talleryn]

My classics student brain is getting the urge to do some Iliad fanart

Like that sounds weird as hell but I have a specific scene from Book 21 with Achilles and the burning rivers that I really want to draw

Probably nobody knows what I’m even on about I just thought I’d throw that out there

[sol-thorne-shitpost]

I am once again having a thought™ and I just went on a full-on rant to a friend, thought I'd share my thoughts with y'all to see if anyone agrees.

Yes, it's about Hadesgame Patrochilles, buckle up.

Currently reading the Iliad, I noticed that not only are Achilles and Patroclus extremely well-written in Hades (that we're all aware of, I think), but also that there are many many layers to their relationship and the one they have with Zagreus.

First thing that hit me while reading the og Patrochilles and how they're written is how drastically different they are in Hades compared to their original alive selves. They're basically each the complete opposite of what they were when they were alive: Achilles, once prideful, arrogant and impulsive, once his rage was appeased, now became wise, patient, calm, an actually good mentor to Zagreus, in whom he must see a lot of his younger self. Patroclus, on the other hand, once famously gentle and kind, became bitter and dismissive. That can easily be explained by the fact that decades and decades alone after death can drastically change someone. Achilles, so guilty about what his pride did to Patroclus, matured and became wiser; and Patroclus, because of years alone abandoned, lost his faith in the glory of war (and in Achilles).

They basically became the opposite of what they were when they were alive, because of years of loneliness and longing and reflecting on this war they were a part of.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL GUYS. When you dig a bit (mostly by chatting with Achilles and listening to Patroclus ramble to himself), you learn that what made them mostly change, aside from the circumstances of their deaths, is their longing for each other, and that despite all that change, they both retain the ONE TRAIT that caused their deaths.

Achilles, even in death, remains unbelievably stubborn, unshakable in his decisions (or in this case, his decision to stay away from Patroclus so that he can rest in Elysium) until Patroclus (through Zagreus) manages to shake him out of it.

And Patroclus, ever so bitter and depressed Patroclus, remains deeply kind and generous. He broods there in his glade, but when Zagreus shows up, polite, just passing by, in need of help, Patroclus offers him what little he has to keep going.

It drives me insane to see that after dying, Patroclus is the one who became impulsive and ready to 'risk it all', because he simply has nothing left to lose. Meanwhile, Achilles, so scarred by Patroclus' death (caused by him and his hubris and his pride), is terrified of risking anything, because the one thing he has left to lose is Patroclus' place in Elysium, and he simply can't bring himself to understand that Patroclus wants to be by his side anywhere rather than alone up there.

And they could have never reconciled without Zagreus' intervention. Because somehow, Zagreus is a mirror of both of them, in his own way.

And because on top of being impusilve and stubborn (like Achilles) as well as kind and caring (like Patroclus), Zagreus is the one guy down here, the only one who fights against his fate with all his goddamn might.

Because he wants to see his mother. He wants to find his place in this world. He wants to be acknowledged and respected. So he fights, against the Fates themselves (by just being alive, he does, I'll remind), against Hades, to get what he wants. Achilles and Patroclus both succumbed to their own destinies in the worst way. Of course it would resonate with them.

Maybe I'm thinking too hard about this. But there are so many parallels to draw here! Think about Achilles, who practically raised Zagreus, instructed him in myths, history, combat and arms. Seeing this kid, a prince, gifted for combat, craving for recognition and respect? That would ring a bell. And Zagreus is already a dual kind of person, he's the red eye and the green eye, he's the Olympian and the goddess with a mortal father. He's rage and fierceness (Achilles) and he's kindness and generosity (Patroclus).

And Zagreus hates the status quo. In his own life, and in the one of others. He does this for multiple people in Hades (Sisyphus, Orpheus and Eurydice, Hypnos and Thanatos, Nyx and Chaos...), he just can't stand people suffering when he knows there is something that could be done. He rattles the house and wreaks havoc in his father's well-ordered world, because he knows damn well he's the only one with enough balls to do it.

The thing is that if Zagreus had never intervened, Achilles and Patroclus would never have seen each other. Achilles took the first step toward redemption by giving up his place in Elysium (his glory, his pride, what he fought so hard for) so that Patroclus could stay there instead, as a way of apologizing for what he did to him and atone for his mistakes; but after that, he was left frozen in his own guilt, refusing to try and think of a way to see Patroclus again. And Pat, well... He's given up. Like how he gave up on reasoning with Achilles back in Troy. So he just waits there, even he doesn't know what for. It takes this bisexual disaster of a god to barge in and shake things up, until Patroclus finally reached out to Achilles, gives him that message (risk it all), the last push Achilles needed to finally move.

So yeah I just think they're neat-

This concludes my thought™.

[dearest-lady-disdain]

i imagine steinberg on the phone with toby stephens trying to get him as poseidon for the pjo show like hii hello, remember when you played a sopping wet pathetic rage-filled tragic guy who gave up a war for someone he loved on black sails? yeah, want to do it again?

[bear-cubs-art-things]

Odyssey fandom I'm still here sjsjsjdjdjdj

[1taliart]

The silliest of the Greeks

[permanentreverie]

so many classics i wanna tackle in 2024, my tbr is going to END me

[szczpr]

besties!!

[wayward-wren]

sometimes I think too hard about Telemachus and Odysseus and I spontaneously combust

[absynthe--minded]

the Iliad movie tier list no one asked for

[audaciiae]

ahem

pls like this for a lil smth from patroklos or odysseus or aeneas thank youuu

[senespera4]

THE BOTS ARE HIJACKING THE TAGS

[sol-thorne-shitpost]

I am not an Achilles apologist, that dude is a terrible person (but I still love him. In the 'I see your hubris and broken morals are going to destroy you and I fuckin' love it' kinda way.)

I am, however, a Menelaus apologist. The dude loves his wife so much. If he ever did anything wrong in his life, you are wrong it never happened. I said so.

[sol-thorne]

OLYMPIAN DESIIIIIGNS.

After all this time brainrotting on Greek mythology and the Iliad and all that stuff, I just HAD to draw consistent designs for the major gods. The first ten of them are finally done, and hopefully I don't have to name them, they should be pretty self explanatory. x)

I did a lot of research on symbols and iconography and shapes language, I'm kinda proud of those designs so far. Will use them in my doods. And can't wait to start working on the others (mainly Demeter, Hestia, Hades, Persephone and Hephaestus).

Update : Demeter, Hestia, Hephaestus, Hades and Persephone are done ! Updated lineup here.

[literallyjusttoa]

ANSWER AND YE SHALL RECEIVE. [sounds of me shifting gears into artemis brainrot mode]

artemis likes to be the same height or smaller than her hunters so they aren't afraid of her, but this does mean she gets annoyed whenever apollo visits because she uses him as an armrest. when they're alone she shifts to be his height

not an artemis hc but i feel like leto was the one that made the first silver parka that the hunters wear !!! artemis didn't take it off for weeks, even for meetings. "u cant make me take it off or i'll scream"

artemis has freckles. idc she does i love giving freckles to characters and she is definitely not the exception. she has less than apollo ofc but he still has em

artemis is kind of really, really terrified of hera. like apollo is too but he didn't literally get his ass beat by her during the iliad and she's kept that fear from her ever since, and hera reminds her of it sometimes because she doesn't really like artemis + so she remembers her place

artemis's back aches a lot from being under the sky for a whole ass WEEK. like she stayed under there longer than percy and annabeth combined idc!! she was really scared about this at first since pain isn't really a thing she knows bc she's a goddess, and she ran to leto when it first happened. her, apollo, leto and artemis spent the day together, it's one of her favourites to look back on

she gave a yellow parka to apollo for his birthday you can fight me on this

apollo calls her artie whenever he can get away with it "hey apollo" "heyyy artieee" "DO NOT"

mortal artemis (who i'll call leslie bc i'm attached to that name help) has a silver ring around her pupil (lester has a golden one around his, it makes it look like an eclipse)

her brother is the fashionista sibling. she's not. just a parka and some jeans or sweats, thanks

artemis really wasn't the same for a while after zoë died. she'd lost her best friend after apollo, her biggest confidant. often, she just thinks, if i'd been just been smarter, i wouldn't have gotten captured at all. if i'd just been faster, i could've avoided this. apollo tries to help when he can, but he's far too familiar with grief, and he doesn't know what he can do to help. she stares up at the sky a lot, looking at the sky, watching all the hunters she's lost lighten up the sky, and sometimes her gaze catches on callisto or orion.

she has a soft spot for owls and bats, considering they have a special relationship with the moon

has not processed her grief and emotions for over 3000+ years. in desperate need of counseling

I'm so sorry it took me like 3 months to answer this I swear I read it the day you sent it to me and loved it all so much.

Like, matching parkas?? And the silver parka was made by Leto??? Yes I agree and love. And yeah Artemis definitely just picks whatever is most comfortable and Apollo cries about it inside. Last line is so true as well.

[m3r1m4r5u333]

So... Turns out, Buddie is actually an urban supernatural rom-com 🤪 (this is a total brainrot post, just me having fun)

Buddie... an epic love story,

of forbidden love growing between

a slayer of monsters and...

a chimera.

Here's our slayer:

Bellerophon[1] or Bellerophontes (Ancient Greek: Βελλεροφόν; Βελλεροφόντης; lit. "slayer of Belleros") or Hipponous (Ancient Greek: Ἱππονοος; lit. "horse-knower"),[2]

He was "the greatest hero and slayer of monsters, alongside Cadmus and Perseus, before the days of Heracles",[3] among his greatest feats was killing the Chimera of the Iliad...")

"A chimera: The term "chimera" has come to describe any mythical or fictional creature with parts taken from various animals, to describe anything composed of disparate parts or perceived as wildly imaginative, implausible, or dazzling. In other words a chimera can be a hybrid creature. "

And here's our chimera, a hybrid of many creatures...

A Buck:

"a male animal especially : a male deer or antelope"

A golden retriever...

And a bi...son. Here the bison is pictured with his dad:

... In this modern retelling, our great slayer, the horse-knower... is a man called Eddie... who does not believe in magic.

So when a chimera finds his home, and starts nesting...

Eddie refuses to admit how magical it is.

(Chimney: So wait... Are a hex and a jinx the same thing?

Eddie: .. By that do you mean "both totally made up and not real?

Chimney: What more proof do you need Eddie, we are trapped in a death box. Thousands of volts of electricity, coursing through every nook and cranny...")

He just ignores it, ignores this electricity... It's not real!! And tries to find a horse.

Gotta get back on that horse! Where's a horse, quick! Just give him a mare, heck, maybe even a wilder horse, a stallion.

C'mon Eddie, just ignore the magical, fantastical chimera, not even killed by a lighting. It's not really there.

Nesting.

Nesting.

Nesting.

In his home.

And when he ignores the chimera, and just stubbornly shops for a horse... that hurts the chimera, who feels unseen, cast out.

Even though he's everywhere in that home.

Even though Eddie cannot really find anything that compares to that magical chimera, which he can actually see...

Has always seen...

And is just trying to fall out of love with.

....

Eddie... Fuck bying oats!!!

There's a chimera who keeps returning to you, keeps making your home his home. Let it in.

Really, Eddie. There's a goddamn chimera on your couch. How amazing is that? So stop trying to slay it, you dumb thing. You don't like all of these boring, mundane imposters.

✨You've got magic!! ✨

[villanellecter]

welcome to another episode of "I've got Hannibal nbc brainrot!" !! in today's episode I'll try to read Homer's Iliad for my classical studies class without thinking about Hannibal telling Will about Achilles lamenting the death of Patroclus and how Achilles wished all Greeks would die so that he and Patroclus could conquer Troy alone