#anti-Castiel

[italwayshadtobeyou]

"Cas is gay."

I'd complain about bisexual erasure, but I'm fine with him not representing me.

[samanddeanloveeachothersomuch]

Why insert romance into one of the only shows that cherish platonic love more?

I talked to a respectful destiel shipper a couple of days ago and while they were completely respectful, there is one thing I can't understand for the life of me. Why does there have to be romance in everything? I am aroace which is probably part of it, but why can't platonic love exist? ( This isn't meant to be a dig at wincest shippers. I am very well aware you guys know the difference between fanon and canon and love the brother/soulmate/best friend/parent or adult child relationship of Sam and Dean just as much as I from a non-shipper point of view do.) Why does everyone have to kiss or have sex? Platonic love does exist and it baffles me that Dean and Cass can't just be friends even with Cass' goodbye scene. I guess I feel like they see romantic love in everything and it irks me a bit. Maybe destiel shippers are young? I'm 15 though so why would that be a factor? Is it more society's fault than anyone else's?

Why is there so much emphasis on romantic/sexual love and not a lot on platonic relationships? The one show that actually puts emphasis on a relationship that is platonic. The one show that has Sam and Dean choose each other over any romantic interest. The one show that has two brothers in a QPR. The one show that has a possible a-spec reading of one or both brothers. (I've only ever seen one for Dean but I'm sure there is one for Sam as well. ("Sex is sex and love is Sam." I love this quote so thank you to whoever wrote that.)) The one show that has Dean waiting for Sam in heaven because heaven isn't perfect without his brother. Why do they watch this show if they want a focus on romantic interests? I just think if they want a show about romance there are other shows available. Especially if you want representation. Why torture themselves when there is nothing there? ( I see the speech at the end as platonic but even if it was not it wouldn't change anything. At the most it's unrequited.)

Not to mention there are problems with wanting it in canon. ( Shipping it in fanon only is a whole other thing but while I'm sure there are destiel shippers who may do this I'm talking about ones who actually wanted it/saw it( from Dean's side) in canon.) The first problem is Dean canonically is straight. Plenty of evidence for that. The second thing is his love for Sam. Canonically they have left love interests and friends for each other. There is no way in canon that Dean doesn't dump Cass at some point even if Dean was bisexual. Dean could be literally any sexuality but if Sam existed and he was ever aware of it Cass would be fed to the wolves. Also, I don't even like Cass ( I'm a Sam-leaning bibro who is still mad at Cass for breaking Sam's wall and rendering Sam's sacrifice in season 5 meaningless by saying yes to Lucifer in season 11 and messing everything up.) but Cass is literally an angel. Angels are jerks and I think they got that from Chuck but they are also warriors meant to be in an army. I don't even like him, but I know it's a disservice to his character.

That being said shoutout to respectful destiel shippers. I can't say I understand but I thank you for being respectful because a lot of destiel shippers (hellers) are not.

[reddieandwaiting87]

Top 5 most cringeworthy casshole scenes?

Top 5 cringe asstiel scenes?

Putting these together cause it's the same ask. Duh XD

Oh Asstiel once an interesting side character that well and truly over stayed his welcome.

Remember this isn't a list of the many awful things this idiot has done but the scenes of his that make me cringe.

1.) Number one has to be that god awful scene from 15x18.

I'm using this gift because the infamous *love* gift is just to close to his ugly puffy face. Not only is this scene poorly written and horrible acted. (the fact that it looks like Misha is actual trying for once is even sadder.) Even if you see this as a romantic confession (it wasn't) which would make it even worse (it wasn't though remember that) cause it came out the fuck no where. Having Asstiel's whole character just be all about Dean is a slap in the face to actual Asstiel fans.

Though Asstiel's finale ever scene becoming a meme pretty much sums up his character by the end of the show.

2.) The whole Castiel!Lucifer crap. The fact Sam was trapped with Lucifer AGAIN and didn't break. Meanwhile Lucifer only has to say a few words to Asstiel and Lucifer get's the stupid bastard to agree to say yes to him. Wow what a little baby. Yet another time where Asstiel causes more issues and Death amd get's away with it.

Never mind the retcon and bad acting that followed. Just look at the gift below. Trust Misha to ruin one of the last actual good seasons of Supernatural.

This list is meant to be just about Asstiel but just look at this?!?!?! 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

3.) Other world Castiel.....who sounds like a nazi. Even when he is *evil* he is so fucking lame I can't.

I could find a gift and having to look at Castiel/Destiel gifts is too much on my poor eyes. More bad acting from Misha BTW.

4.) Now we all know Asstiel well out stayed his welcome and they had to find reasons for why he wasn't in most episodes (like we gave a fuck.) With the Asstiel mention they did. Trying to make it sound like the fucker actually did anything apart from screw up. So the fews times he was on screen he was the 3rd wheel quite alot. But one of the more obvious scenes of this was in one of my favourite moments of the show. Or at least later seasons. 14x12 prophet and loss. We get an brilliant brother scene with Jared fucking killing it with the acting. It's such a great moment so of course who randomly comes walking into and adding nothing? You guessed it old 3rd wheel asstiel himself.

Can't find a gift of that moment cause who would actual gifted it?!? So will show the important bit. But yep another example of him adding nothing and just being there. Zzzzzzz

5.) In S7 when he goes nuts after taking on Sam's Hallucinations. Again shows how much stronger Sam is compared to this lame ass angel *warrior*. Sam was able to deal with Halucifer for months while Asstiel goes nuts right off the bat. Anyway cue Asstiel being dumber then normally and talking about bees.

Awesome. Really glad he came out of that lake. 👍

Thank you both anons this was fun.

Though I had to look at too many Destiel gifts for my liking and Misha's ugly mug.

I will say though when you look at older seasons of Asstiel. You really see how much and badly Misha has aged. 😬

[j2-cale-ryuhanbin]

I hate castiel

many j2 fans hate misha, while I do get their frustrations, I don’t think he’s a bad person I think he’s entertainment industry average, while J2 are gems that hardly ever exist in that business.

As for the show, I hate Castiel, s6 should be enough reason, breaking Sam’s wall should’ve gotten him killed. When he came back in season 7 and took on Sam’s pain, Sam was like, ‘we can’t leave him’ Dean should’ve said, ‘it’s the least he owes us’ because it was. Then season 8 ends with him ignoring dean’s advice and starting another apocalypse, then daring to compare his ‘mistakes’ to Sam’s. Sam killed lillith to stop the apocalypse, he knowingly went on a power trip to. My blood pressure is rising and I need to take a break.

I hate Castiel

and if tumblr recommends deathstiel one more time I’m deactivating this account

[inlovewhithafairytale]

POV: The Winchester's have a little sister

[multifandom-lesbian09]

Finding out that the majority of anti Destiels are Wincest shippers is actually so funny to me. Y’all gotta, I dunno, get the fuck outta Alabama or something idk.

[found--family]

i dont want to hear any complaints about a shortage of content bc of the strikes when theres 15 seasons of Supernatural to consume thats 327 episodes at 45minutes each of Dean Jackles Winchester and 12 seasons of Gayngel Castiel in the longest running tv fantasy series and one of the most meta-rich shows ever created from 2005 to 2020 the likes of which we will never see again with Destiel awarded best onscreen chemistry before it was canon and most popular ship on ao3 with over 100k fics plus a prequel series and hopes for a reboot and while we're talking you can also check out their other recent projects including award-winning Roadfood and The Boys and Big Sky and Gotham Knights and you might even enjoy over 400 vintage episodes of young jackles on Days Of Our Lives circa 1997 to 2000 and various other guest and spot and main appearances for Jensen and Misha on shows like Dark Angel and Dawson's Creek and Smallville and NCIS and 24 and Charmed and ER and Monk and Timeless and the masterpieces that are TSA America and The Plight of Clownana and movies like My Bloody Valentine and Devour and Ten Inch Hero and Stonehenge Apocalypse and Finding Home and Moving Alan and of course voicework of animated Batman and podcast Bridgewater and if thats still not enough you have 17 years (and counting) of convention footage and countless other projects the rest of the spn cast have appeared in so dont worry there is no shortage of content

[wellofdean]

Thinking about @luckshiptoshore and her liveblog of watching Supernatural and how much I love following it and how great it is to watch someone just fucking ENJOY the show...

And then, there were a couple of people in my Discord who love the fic, but have never watched the show, and folks in there were trying to convince them that it was worth watching (duh!) and that knowing the show by heart makes the fic so much better and like yes, again... DUH! And then I was suddenly overcome with such a feeling of ENVY for all the people who still have the chance to watch Supernatural for the first time already knowing what happens in the end.

I mean, I watched 14 years of it in real time (after downloading and bingeing season 1) and at least I was clever enough not to be in the fandom trenches that whole time, and just enjoyed it for what it was, but the end broke my brain, and changed the whole show for me.

Because, like, here's what happens in Supernatural by the end: Dean and Cas are in love. It was not subtle. Dean can't say it because he never has a single moment of not being up to his pretty, pretty eyeballs in dealing with the ongoing and constantly multiplying trauma of being the man his father raised him to be, and god's specialest boy to boot, but in the end, Cas finally does just fucking say it. Not only that, he waits until he can use it to save Dean, and show him once and for all in an incontrovertible, undeniable way exactly how deeply and truly loved and SEEN he is.

When you watch it knowing that, knowing that the the whole story is going to end in that stupid bunker dungeon with Cas telling Dean who he is and dying to save him, the whole thing just HITS DIFFERENT, because the Dean of season one with his outcast liminality and pretty, pretty lips is the poor, lonely, weird boy who will one day be loved like that by Castiel, an angel of the lord -- an impossible Eldritch being who learned what love and selfhood are from closely observing Dean.

The consensus amongst most Supernatural fans is that it is trashy and bad and that its all evil queerbaiting, but I would contend that it's actually deeply entertaining, culturally rich and interesting (yes, even its flaws and missteps), often impressively well-written and acted, never puts on any airs about being prestige television or high art, but still manages to be ultimately epic and somehow sublime, and that it's a queer story, about queer love saving the universe, and it is so, so worth watching.

Like, my brainworms are not 'they strung me along all that time and then never let them make out', by brainworms are 'they told us so many times and in so many big and small ways, and now I need to watch every bit of it again and again and again so I can finally REVEL IN IT (and, friends, that is the Supernatural rewatch journey: realising it was ALWAYS THERE). My brainworms aren't 'but does Dean reciprocate??' they are: 'of course he loves Cas, and of course Cas knows that Dean loves him, and the one thing Cas can't have? That's just his chance at happiness and a soft epilogue with and for Dean, because Cas, impossible, cosmic, Eldritch being Cas, traded his chance at happiness for his family's lives and sacrificed himself for love of his son and Dean, because that is what you do when you love someone, and what he has watched Dean never stop doing for even a minute of his beleaguered life.'

And then, Dean dies (yes, it's stupid), and he cannot just go to heaven, drink a beer and hang out, he needs to climb into his magic soul vehicle, hit the axis mundi and tear the universe up looking for his angel and his happy ending in The Winchesters? Fuck me.

And like, it's the most romantic, and devastating story I have ever been told? And I love it so much?

[lillysilverus]

Does it still frustrate anyone else that Sam was villainized and ostracized for his mistakes but Dean was sympathized with and supported for his? I realize that Sam's were in the early days of the show when the story telling was still fresh and nuanced, but it's so blatant that they must have realized what they were doing when they had Sam and Castiel treating Dean like a victim rather than the perpetrator of his own bad choices.

[torturedbitchesdepartment]

[italwayshadtobeyou]

I really hope someone eventually asks the middle- and later-seasons showrunners why they didn’t just have Castiel “fall” permanently. It would’ve solved so many headaches WRT his powers.

Even more important, ending the angel storylines by turning him human would’ve prevented me from ever having to see Dentist’s-Office Heaven and its drones wearing meatsuits. I really cannot stress enough how much this would’ve improved my experience of the later seasons.

[samanddeanloveeachothersomuch]

Opinion #24

I just got to 15.18 on my rewatch. I have things to say. First, did Misha change his voice? (This is an honest question. His voice sounded different.) Also, I honestly am indifferent to Castiel and know destiel isn't canon. I must say though Dean looked like he didn't know what the heck was going on and I guess he didn't. Personally, this sounded very much like a platonic love confession, something Cass does a lot anytime he is dying. I mean the other option is it is unrequited which doesn't mean much except maybe that Cass is jealous of Sam in which case Dean really should have killed him by now. Destiel is a problematic ship in canon for a lot of reasons. One they aren't exactly nice to each other, two Dean isn't gay, (No hate to anyone who is part of the lgbtq+ community. Dean really is straight though.) and three Cass is inhabiting the body of a dead person. Now, platonic or unrequited love (it honestly doesn't matter to me either way but for Cass' benefit we'll say it was platonic.) what exactly is the thing Cass can't have? This is going to be a guess. I think I'm right but if I'm wrong I would like to be told so. So I assume it was he couldn't have Dean love him the way he loves Sam? Dean loves Sam with all his heart, mind, and soul of course so I'm assuming it was that kind of devotion he wanted? And when Cass said I love you it was a more encompassing love as he is an angel? (Honeslty let me know. I don't completely get it) Also, I know Dean was crying at the end but I do wonder how much of that was because he felt hopeless because of their situation and how much of it was because he was sad Cass died. Either way he goes back to Sam and Jack so he wasn't their long. He was just trying to calm down before he went back. ( Seriously though how much of it was because he was upset over Cass? He's not very upset in the finale. Cass is at best a friend and at worst someone useful to keep around because of their power.)

Thank you to anyone who reads this and responds to the questions that are in here.

Anyway, we did get a brother hug!

[toasty-broski]

I’m finally okay with admitting this and I don’t care about the backlash this might get but I’m being so serious when I say that Castiel does nothing for me. He was good in seasons 4/5. Tolerable at best in seasons 6/7. They really amped up his storyline in season 8 but to be honest I cared more about Sam and Dean (obviously) than anything, and by the end of the season he just annoyed me. Season 9 was the confirmation I needed that I just did not like him 💀. He’s more annoying to me than likable and that just takes me out of the show a little bit and why I (sometimes) skip some parts that he’s in. (Like the whole storyline of him sleeping with the possessed angel woman while he was homeless, that just gave me weird vibes LMAO)(to be fair he didn’t know but it was just so fucking WEIRD).

I have a list of reasons why I don’t like him and why I probably never will but oh well.

[spnbrainrotawoooga]

Unpopularish spn opinions? First watch

Dean should have never forgiven Castiel for breaking Sam's wall. It was OOC and cringe for me that he kept the trenchcoat for me. What Castiel did was irredeemable because if he just wanted to only incapacitate Sam and Dean he could have done so many other things (he's an angel) instead of doing something that scarred Sam mentally forever.

Adding on to that Cas gets away with things way too easily both by other characters and the story writing. He messes up so many times (Godstiel, Leviathan, breaking Sam's wall, making the angels fall, letting Lucifer out willingly) and gets so much less shit from it than characters like Sam do for their mistakes.

I think that the best seasons from the carver era were actually s8 and s10. The story had some so-so moments with unexplored potential for 10, but I found the brother's relationship to be very compelling that season as I feel that it was the season that was where their relationship was maybe at the most tense.

S11 has some great single episodes (Baby, Red meat, Safe house, that episode with bobby and rufus) but the overall Amara and God storyline was weird and kind of cheesy. Amara also just didn't really do anything for most of the season. I think its a little overrated but god the brother moments were so good and healing to watch after 10 and 9.

The angels and demons after season 8 are just cringe and painful to watch. I can't take them seriously at all.

This last one I feel is going to be controversial but the Found Family is an idea that is present in the supernatural but it is far from the main theme/message of SPN. And I think that people exaggerate its importance.

[inlovewhithafairytale]

01 x 01 Pilot part 1

"You're waiting in the car" is the first thing Dean says when he parks the '67 Chevy Impala in front of the apartments where their brother lived.

Yn scrunched up her nose and furrowed her eyebrows "dude. Why?"

"Cause I say so"

"Why do you get to see him before me? Its not fair" Yn says not backing up as her oldest brother got out of the car.

"Just stay in the car" Dean says slamming the car door shut behind him and making his way to the apartments.

The 15 year old leaned back against the car seat crossing her arms over her chest with a pout "not fair" she mumbled to herself.

****

Yn had nodded off to sleep resting her head against the car window as she waited for her brothers hoping that Sam would go with them.

"Why did you even leave her in the car?" Sam asked Dean as he walked next to him to the parking lot.

"She was sleeping" Dean lied. Truth be told, he didn't want Yn to get her hopes up to Sam coming, he knew that she missed their brother horribly and had cried herself to sleep when he first went away to Stanford.

Yn woke up to her brothers voices and the sound of the cars trunk being open. She grinned widely when she heard Sam's voice and quickly opened the car door and rushed to Sam jumping into his arms and hugging him tightly as she let out a series of happy squeals.

"Sammy I missed you so fucking much" she said as Sam laughed hugging her tightly back and giving her a spin before setting her back on the ground.

"I missed you so much too Yn. Wow, you've grown so much!" Sam looked her up and down a smile on his face as he looked at his little sister.

"Yeah. She turned 15 two months ago" Dean cut in a with an edge to his words.

"Dean. I know" Sam answered glaring slightly at his brother.

"But that doesn't matter. We're here" Yn cut in giving Dean a reproach in her look, turning back to Sam "so...are you coming with us to search for dad?" She asked him eyes begging him to come.

"Yes, but i have to be back by Monday" came Sam's reply as he ruffled her hair up a bit.

Yn pouted a bit at his words "oh well I guess"

"Yn, get back in the car" Dean told her.

"Why?" She asked turning to him eyebrows furrowed.

"I want to talk with Sam and you're on the way. Car. Now" Dean said closing the back of the car.

Yn have a dramatic sight "fine...." she muttered and got back in the car arms crossed over her chest and a frown on her face. When she walked behind Dean she stuck her tongue out at him making Sam stifle a laugh.

***

Dean knocked on the car window of the backseat startling Yn awake who sat up from the seat rubbing her eyes "what? Where are we?" She said groaning as she opened the car door.

"On our way to Jericho right now on a gas stop. Go to the bathroom" Dean said handing her a bottle of pear juice and a bag of cheese puffs "breakfast" he said simply and turning to Sam who was sitting shotgun he gestured to the other bag of chips he was holding"breakfast?"

Sam scoffed "no. How do you even give that to Yn?"

"Eh. I'm used to it." Yn said shrugging as Dean glared at his brother. Yn out her bag of chips and bottle of juice down on the leather seat and got out of the car stretching "I'm going to the bathroom" she said groaning a bit and walking past Dean into the small gas stop.

"How do you even buy stuff? Still on the credit card schemes?" Sam asked knowingly.

"Well, hunting isn't exactly a paying job" Dean shrugged as he walked to the other side of the car and got into the drivers seat.

"What names did you use this time?"

"Bert Afrahiam and his loving kids Hector and Evangeline Afrahiam" came the smug reply.

Sam gave a snort and a shake of his head turning his attention back to the cassette collection box Dean had "dude. You need to update your cassette collection. Black Sabath? Metallica? Ac/Dc? Who even listen to those anymore?"

"House rules Sammy, driver picks the music, shotgun shuts their cakehole" Dean said taking one of the cassettes and putting it on the radio.

"Sammy it's a chubby 8 hear old. Its Sam."

"Sorry. Can't hear you. Music's too loud" Dean said as he turned the music up, back in black playing loudly through the speakers.

The backseat door opened and Yn slipped in wincing slightly at the loud music. "Dude. Lower it down a little"

"House rules booger driver picks the music and-" Dean start again as he drove away from the gas station.

"Yeah but backseat gets to lower the music. Tune it down a bit, I've got a headache" Yn said rolling her eyes a bit at him

Dean complies and puts the volume down just a little.

Sam turns to her a bit of concern flashing through his face "you've got a headache?"

"No. But I'll get one if Dean keeps putting the music so loud"yn answered

Dean rolled her eyes at her through the rear view mirror "just eat your vegetables"

"Yeah dad..." yn said mockingly as she opened her bag of cheese puffs and started eating.

***

Part two ... Flashbacks.a.k.a. younger years before season 1

if any of you have any ideas I am all ears <333

[fandom-addict404]

ok guys can we stop with wincest. i see it all over the supernatural fandom and it’s so deeply disturbing like wtf guys

first off, the closeness of the brothers is because they grew up together on the road only really having themselves, since their father was always gone.

and second, it’s such a toxic part of the fandom and needs to stop.

i love supernatural. anyone who knows me knows i love supernatural. but when i look thru the supernatural tag and i find some “wincest” thing i feel a pit in my stomach bc of how disturbed i am.

i love shipping. it’s fun, it’s cool to analyze it but this is too far and very very toxic.