hylialeia · 1 year ago
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I've really soured on the whole "if these female characters end up in any position other than one of feudal power and influence it means GRRM is perpetuating the harmful idea that women should be punished for their ambition" because while I am aware that is a rather disappointing and common takeaway in fantasy (and other) series in general, I am ALSO aware the strongest most consistent hammer-you-over-the-head-with-it motif across asoiaf thus far has been "FEUDALISM BAD" which is sort of hard to keep impactful when your endgame is "and then they ruled happily ever after and were so good at it nothing bad ever happened again". y'know.
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melrosing · 11 months ago
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If the kingdoms at the end go all independent. Who ends up king in the north? I assume Sansa is queen in the vale with Harold hardying but is bran really ok for king in the north? Will it go to Rickon?
talked about this a little before but basically I don't really see the seven kingdoms each becoming independent: I think whatever becomes of the Targaryen legacy, Aegon's ice & fire dream (or whatever it was called lol) was clear that there was strength in unity and I think that echoes throughout asoiaf generally.
I think it's likely Sansa will govern the North (I agree that her arc in preparing her for that role is incomplete, but at least she has that arc where compared to Rickon). Arya's a charismatic character and a strong leader besides, you could certainly say she'd be as good at governing as Sansa. but I just don't really feel like a governing role resonates in her story regardless, so that does leave Sansa (who I personally really doubt will just marry Harold Hardyng and settle down in the Vale for all of time)
and I fully buy into the Bran as a fisher king theory - I don't think he'll govern exactly but will become a figurehead of westeros, uniting the people and the land. doubt he'll be based in King's Landing as that's likely to be a pile of ash and in any case was always very much part of the political plot, divorced from the supernatural and the struggles of the rest of Westeros. you constantly get a sense of KL as a corrupted seat where the monarchs and their court are entirely removed from the smallfolk on their very doorstep, so I don't see it having a place in Bran's reign, whatever that ends up looking like
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nymerias-heart · 10 months ago
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Do ye remember when 2 years ago I made a 28 minute long video and posted it but then never made any other YouTube content for asoiaf?
I have most of January off from college so I was wondering if during this break I should make some more videos? And is yes, what should they be about?
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rise-my-angel · 1 year ago
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My favourite thing when writing for hotgw, now that I'm so far into the story that the in universe timeline has reached winter, is outlining a scene where I go "Maybe there is an adjacent late show scene I could use as a point of comparison for my dialouge."
Only to pull up any season 7 episode transcript and instantly close it like, "I could smash the keyboard with my face and write better dialouge then this. Nevermind."
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fenrisisms · 2 years ago
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me making changes to my own established dragon age worldstate lore: now what is the absolute funniest outcome possible
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spectrum-color · 1 year ago
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So we all know GRRM, like all authors, took a lot of inspo from real life fairy tales, religion, and mythology. There are a ton of parallels but I picked out a few to put in this poll
Propaganda: Before anyone says anything, I know a lot of these are dark spins on the original. I’m not trying to say Littlefinger is a handsome prince or whatever. Also note that some of this is based on either things that haven’t happened yet but are highly likely to happen in Winds/Dream up to and including being confirmed by GRRM.
Arya and Jaqen as Hades and Persephone-the young maiden of spring is found by the lord of the underworld, who gives her an object (in this case a coin) to trick her into being trapped in the world of the dead. When she leaves home, winter comes, but when she returns, so does spring.
Sansa as Rapunzel-a princess locked in a tower by an evil sorceress (or just queen) who is spirited away by a man who wants to marry her. Strong focus on her hair as a symbol of her identity.
The Brotherhood Without Banners as Robin Hood and his Merry Men-a band of outlaws who defend the common people against corrupt authority figures. This one is really self explanatory.
Cersei as the evil queen and Margaery/Sansa/eventually Dany as Snow White-a vain, cruel women terrified of her beauty fading and being replaced by a younger woman who outshines her, so she tries to destroy her perceived rival, ultimately leading to her own downfall. The girls in Snow Whites slot are the popular choices for the identity of the YMBQ and the one Cersei is currently convinced it is.
Jaime and Brienne as Beauty and the Beast-a double subversion. Jaime is handsome and Brienne is ugly, but when they meet she’s brave and kind while he’s selfish and cruel, so it’s the beast who helps the beauty be better.
Lyanna, Rhaegar, and Robert as Helen of Troy, Paris, and Menelaus-a beautiful woman fiercely desired by two powerful men, she either runs off with or is kidnapped by a prince, leading to her (soon to be) husband retaliating by starting a tragic war.
Stannis and Shireen as Agammemon and Iphegenia-a king and commander sacrifices his daughter to the gods to win a war. Bonus if this ends up causing Stannis’ downfall.
Lady Stoneheart as Demeter-a mother wanders the land bringing destruction and misery as she searches for her daughter(s.) When her daughters return to her, spring comes.
Cersei and Jaimes children as the emperor wearing no clothes-the emperor walks around naked insisting that he’s a wearing magic invisible outfit, but everyone is afraid to tell him the truth until finally a child points out that he’s wearing nothing at all. See: everyone pretending not to notice that Cerseis children are the result of incest with her brother, and Ned finally realizing the truth when his 11 year old daughter points out that Joffrey is nothing like Robert.
Bran as the Fisher King-the Fisher King is a character from Arthurian myth. He is the guardian of the magical holy grail, protecting it so it (and power) does not fall into the hands of the unworthy. Notably, he also has a deliberating injury to his legs or groin (depending on the version.) Of course the endgame Bran of the show is a blatant rip-off of Leto II from Children of Dune, but I think the Fisher King sounds more like GRRM would do.
Dany as Moses-a leader who has prophetic visions, who after performing a miracle, frees her people from slavery and leads them on a harsh journey to a new land. Notably regarded as a critically important figure by a monotheistic religion.
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atopvisenyashill · 3 months ago
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i get that we hate monarchy and some targs are assholes but george explicitly sets the dragons as the defenders of life and their return as the revival of magic in a world? i really do not think supposed to see them as the 'ultimate threat' or ONLY as a threat bc there's foreshadowing for dany fighting in the long night and the others are in charge of that role? even if i think magic is gonna leave the world in the end…
“george explicitly sets the dragons as defenders of life” …..huh?
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and yeah, I know it’s a common fan idea that Dany ~reawakens magic~ but the thing is that’s just…not true. I’m not trying to discount the insane magic Dany pulls off, or that her specific type of magic -being fire magic - starts going crazy once she wakes the dragons from stone. But the Starklings all being wargs happens before Dany wakes her dragons, as does Bran opening his third eye. I don’t think Dany nor Valyrian magic or blood in general is going to be the end all be all of magic especially a form of magic she’s not even involved with and there are several.
also “foreshadowing for fighting in the long night” while I definitely go back and forth on what some of the foreshadowing in her chapters means for her endgame, I think it’s really silly to say that passages like the ant one are concrete evidence that she’s going to be involved in the long night. i still don’t even fully buy she’s going to be involved AT ALL in the long night - i don’t think she ever goes North of the trident even if she DOES fight them. Beyond that, again, I get it’s a popular fan theory that the Others are going to be the ultimate evil that the hero’s will be allowed to uncritically massacre but a) so george LITERALLY talks about the ethical ramifications of killing orcs, why is it so ingrained in fandom that he’s just going to go full tolkien here? how does that make any sense? considering how important the isle of faces is, i think it’s much more likely a new pact is made and whatever happens with the others stops because of THAT not because of some big battle that wipes them all out. As george says himself, it’s a trope that basically legitimizes committing genocide? And it’s not one he likes!
and b) por que no los dos????? it’s not like the lannisters are the only evil people in the whole series!
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agentrouka-blog · 3 months ago
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Its always funny to me when fans downplay the significance of the scene where sansa builds snow winterfell. Not only is it beautifully written but grrm spends a long time describing it (I think like 4 pages) and it really details the castle..why would he write such a detailed layout of winterfell if it held no meaning for the future. And Sansa remembers how it was, it even says that even the things she forgot came back into her memory. I dont know what sansas endgame will be but she will be a part of restoring winterfell and the constant denial of that by many fans is almost funny
The only other time Winterfell is described in so much loving detail is when Bran introduces the castle in his climbing chapter before being pushed out of the tower. But where Bran (named for the founder of his line) focuses on the history of the castle (the thing that will truly connect him to it), Sansa is shown to rebuild it with her hands.
Bran gives us its past, from the buildings to the Starks in the crypts, and he is made to witness its destruction, while still taking strength from its stones and roots.
Sansa recreates her home from loving memory.
It's so beautifully done.
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laurellerual · 7 months ago
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I just realized that many of the most boring theories about the ADOS endgame of some characters can be boiled down to just plucking a sentence from their latest published chapter. For exemple:
In ADWD (The Ugly Little Girl) Arya says she is "No One" and the Kindly man doesn't correct her so, this clearly means Arya will just lose her identity and that's it. This was such a common theory for years somehow. Except that we have TWOW (Mercy) so we know that Arya beign No One lasted less then one chapter.
Or Dany's future madness that can be traced back to ADWD (Daenerys X) where she says to herself that "Dragons plant no trees" and "Fire and Blood". So apparently a thought made in one of her most desperate moment will characterize the entirety of her future politics in Westeros.
Or Bran that in ADWD (Bran III) is in Bloodraven's cave so his endgame is to be in that cave for the rest of his life obv.
Or Sansa that in AFFC (Alayne II) has Littlefinger saying to her "every knight in the Vale will pledge his sword to win you back your birthright. So those are your gifts from me, my sweet Sansa... Harry, the Eyrie, and Winterfell." so this is clearly what is gonna happen. Because that is what usually happen in ASOIAF to plans that get spelled out like that.
What's next? Jon was killed at the end of his last chapter so he will stay dead for the rest of the story? Oh wait... this theory exist too.
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catofoldstones · 8 months ago
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its my personal opinion that it will be arya that ends up killing dany and jon killing the king of the white walkers. a lot of reasons towards this idea is that d&d fliped around the ending that grrm showed them and the fact that arya has more plot and relevance with slavery and jon has more relevance with white walkers. also i believe jon will uploaded neds beliefs of sparing dany leaving it up to arya to actually killing her to protect her family and the north
The theory definitely has merit! Arya training with the Faceless Men and then assassinating Dxny when she sits the Iron Throne a-la-Maegor style is very compelling. Dxny apparently being killed by a blade of the same Iron Throne she had been running after her whole life is such smooth storytelling. It is something that we have foreshadowing and compelling evidence for as well. Not to mention Robert thinks of sending one of the Faceless Men as assassins to slay her in the first book. A Faceless Man ending the act to its true satisfaction is a well written storyline if I know one. Moreover, it would be such a rich conclusion to the story arc that Dxny has slowly started on since the end of AGoT and is more apparent since ASoS & ADWD.
However, I have been recently thinking that Dxny dying in a fire would also be interesting. It would form a parallel with the first book wherein she emerged from a fire, literally rebirthed with her dragons. She might trigger the wildfire in KL and die in it as a crazy twist to the adage “fire cannot hurt a Targaryen” which we all know is untrue. It also aligns well with her tragic antagonist status. She is someone who tries her best to solve a situation only to find herself in a sticky situation of the same making, or worse. So I believe that if she (accidentally, unknowingly, not knowing better, thinks is for the good) sets off the KL wildfire, that would be very in-character for her. Not only will the wildfire take down the Iron Throne with it (which will 100% not exist by the end of the series), it will also burn down Kings Landing, which also is foreshadowed to not survive the ending by way of getting burned down.
I don’t believe that Jon will leave it to Arya to kill Dxny in any capacity simply because he doesn’t have that authority over her. More than that, I don’t think Jon & Dxny’s arcs will intertwine as much as they did in the show or even enough that Jon will think it a personal duty to eradicate Dxny. Although, I do think that the show very obviously exchanged Arya and Jon and Bran’s endgame. It definitely makes more sense for Bran and Jon to be ones to defeat the Others - the Ice Threat- finally (though there is no Night King in the books, which is sad because I miss my frosty man :,( sigh anyway) and Arya to defeat the Fire Threat given her training and motivations. Idk what d&d were thinking, seriously.
But what can I say, some of my opinions are still crystalizing and shaping as I reread the books and interact with other meta.
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jackoshadows · 1 year ago
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I don’t understand the logic of people who think Sansa has more skills than her siblings because she knows her courtesies, learned how to handle a 8 year old and is now seducing a womanizer (I’d give her more credits if Harry was like Stannis lol). Arya speaks 5 languages, can tell truths from lies, can lie very well, is good at spying, is a powerful warg, has knowledge of poisons, is well acquainted with the small folk. Bran ruled Winterfell and is the most powerful greenseer. How are Sansa’s skills more useful? Why would Jon NEED her as his bride? Every Jonsa claims she’s oh so necessary, and I don’t doubt it. I want her to learn the meaning of Winter is Coming and help mitigate the food shortage by providing grain to the North, but she’s far from being as skilled as her siblings unless we’re talking about embroidery and harp playing.
Sansa stan logic:
GRRM has written nothing for Sansa as a leader of the people unlike the whole books he wrote for Jon and Dany where they make mistakes or Arya leading her small wolf pack or Bran as Prince of Winterfell. That’s why she’s going to end up the endgame best leader of the series because Jon, Tyrion and Dany's arcs are actually about Sansa becoming a leader.
GRRM has written nothing for Jon and Sansa in terms of a relationship, they hardly mention each other or care for each other on the page despite growing up together. That’s why they are going to be the central, most important and best romantic relationship in the books.
GRRM has not connected Sansa to the Northern plots and characters there like he has Arya, Bran and Jon. That’s why she is the ONLY KEY TO THE NORTH and going to be the Queen in the North and leader of their people.
GRRM killed off Lady early into the books while writing Summer, Nymeria and Ghost connecting the Stark kids through wolf dreams, helping them develop and build their warging powers and in the case of Nymeria gather a huge wolf pack in the Riverlands. This is why the direwolves are unimportant in the story and don’t really matter for the Starks or their Stark identity.
GRRM has written the very least for Sansa thinking of her father and she never remembers his advice or wisdom or takes strength from his words like he has done for Jon, Arya and Bran. This is why Sansa is the most like Ned, the Nediest of the Stark children, a mini Ned in the making.
GRRM has not written a magical/fantasy plot for Sansa like he has for Dany, Bran, Arya and Jon. That’s why ASoIaF is mostly about the politicking happening and fantasy/magic is boring/unimportant/bad/evil.
And so on and so forth. It really is fascinating to watch this huge subsection of fans reading an entirely different series of books to the rest of us, think characters who have magical arcs in a high fantasy series are unreliable or evil or write essays on who is the best and smartest leader based on tradfem standards of femininity etc.
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melrosing · 23 days ago
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I’m sorry if you’ve been asked this before but what do you think brienne’s endgame is? I hate got and how it ended but it made me hopeful my baby girl is surviving the series :’) esp since everyone treated her dying as a foregone conclusion
hello! I have talked about it here and there but I’m not really certain of anything except that she survives :) one thing I keep coming back to is that Brienne is (in my mind) very much a figurehead for the next generation. to me she really represents a kind of optimism for what tomorrow could be. whether jaime survives or doesn’t, his story is about what was wrong w yesterday, so I think of Brienne’s story as an answer to his, w the two characters joining in the middle.
in terms of where she ends up circumstantially…. I like the idea of her becoming a hedge knight of some kind, bc I think what annoys me about the idea of Bri guarding Sansa or Bran (at least the way the show portrays it) is that she ends up treated like a reward for the Starks, or getting to serve the Starks IS her reward. I love the Stark kids but i really believe that part of Brienne’s story is learning that it’s not about serving people but purposes, and finding her own purpose in this world. her worth isn’t determined by the person she has sworn her sword to, she gets to define it.
and also I really feel one of the most moving things about Bri’s story is that she stands up for those who have no one else to stand up for them, I.e. no chance and no choice. spending the rest of her life in service to House Stark feels like a waste of her.
HOWEVER, I wouldn’t entirely rule out the idea of KG Brienne…. but in my mind that would have to look really, really different to how the show portrayed it. for one thing, the books serve to dismantle the KG as an institution. the KG as it currently stands means that members sacrifice everything they believe, want and are for the sake of the King or Queen, whoever that might be. that can leave you serving ppl like Aerys. could also leave you serving ppl like Egg! but still, soon enough you’re serving Aerys.
I can imagine King Bran’s KG being a really different kind of institution. fisher king Bran is supposed to serve and represent the realm; his welfare is theirs. he is not a political entity. so I can kind of picture a version of the KG that kind of harkens more to what knighthood is supposed to be: literally knights of the seven kingdoms, who serve the people, not the person. perhaps they aren’t even tied to Bran’s side. maybe they’re representatives who wander up and down the 7K serving its peoples in whatever way they can. and they are chosen for the roles bc they represent true knighthood as Brienne does.
anyway to me this resonates more w what Brienne has represented in the narrative so far, and I don’t think it strips her of her personhood the way the GOT finale does, where she’s serving a king she doesn’t know who apparently doesn’t care to know her, has been made to look a fool and is essentially punished for falling in love, is now just a cold, sterile sort of character who has been rewarded with a promotion in place of her personhood. Brienne is a character w so much heart, and that ending was empty of it :/
I don’t hate the idea of Brienne taking her place as Evenstar of Tarth but I’ve never quiiite been able to picture it bc I think it limits the scope of the kind of good she wants to do as a knight. I don’t know that I see her future as entirely divorced from Tarth, but I think it resonates more for me that Brienne can keep roaming and following her heart where it leads her. and as I say lol I have no idea whether Jaime lives or not but I think that’s what he would want for her also either way.
anyway those are just some ideas! I’ve been thinking about fisher king Bran today following the ask from earlier and this made me think a bit more about how I see Brienne tying into that endgame
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sherlokiness · 2 months ago
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let's say jonsa was really GRRM's ace,then what's up with jonerys in the show? Most people consider them the endgame romance with the bittersweet end which for the life of me cannot see where was the sweetness unless it was that boatsex.
How can jon dany ship exists with jonsa? How do you think it will go down in the books if jonerys was inevitable?
Hi, anon! Thanks for the ask.
Ref: This post.
Aegony is compatible with jonsa bc there is politicalJon. We just have to tweak some things but what we can be sure about 100% in the books is that Jon will betray Dany.
Why will jd break up in the books? Well, for sure it's not bc Jon is repulsed by incest with his aunt. There is no reason in Planetos for Jon to break up with Dany if he loved her bc of "incest" bc it's not really incest. See:Jonnel/Sansa. Aegony is not a forbidden romance!!!! They weren't raised together as a brother/sister for Jon to possibly get an ick.
Why not a love triangle? Jon is ice and fire so his lady loves are also ice and fire. Also if we count J and S, R and L, who have had secret weddings, there was always a scorned woman in the equation. Baela, Elia, and then Dany. The pattern will hold true for Jon and Sansa as well. JD never got married in the show bc there will be no reason for it to happen in the books. When will hell break loose? The rlj reveal. Dany who claims to be the righful heir of the 7k will never let Rhaegar's trueborn son go. She would want to marry him if silencing him doesn't work but Jon would refuse bc he secretly loves another.
She lights KL on fire. Jon kills her. It's good that Dany burns KL imo bc then Jon would have the moral high ground in getting rid of a tyrant. He gets "rewarded" by King Bran for his deed with Sansa's hand in marriage. Alas, it turns out that tyrant coincidentally was in the way of true love. I'm *sure* Jon will betray his auntie/lover bc of her threat to Sansa. Dany's last treason is FOR LOVE. If it's really for love of family like in the show, wouldn't the last treason be more accurate as FOR BLOOD? Jon's cousins are of his blood.
Jon will be a hero(righteous cause) and also get the girl. He gets to have his cake and eat it too. A bittersweet cake where the bitter part comes from Dany and the sweet part, well... In conclusion, Jon will have a justification for betraying D but his motivation would be questioned by the readers bc of the prophecy.
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esther-dot · 9 months ago
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While I agree with Ary@ killing Dany, what I don't understand why Jon will take her blame and get punished while she will end up her own adventure? Why would narrative punished Jon for Ary@ actions? Why would even killing Dany be considered as crime? While I know show ending is similar to books but Jon taking Ary@ blame and punished is not narratively good. Its worse than show. Also it will plot armour for Ary@.
I'm not convinced Arya kills Dany, but if she does, I agree with you. Jon taking the blame wouldn't work for me. Others have speculated that Arya tries to poison Dany, and my supposition is that she does, Dany doesn't die, Jon goes on to kill her. That way, it wouldn't be Jon taking the blame for Arya a la Lady being killed in the place of her losing a hand or Nymeria being killed, but it is reminiscent of the Trident incident in a way, with Arya striking the first blow in a fight to protect someone, and someone else jumping in to protect her.
I expect there will be a lot of connections to AGOT in the endgame so a reference, rather than a full redux works for me. Bran is endgame king, and the first chapter of AGOT is Ned teaching him about justice. We have the kingslayer attempting to kill him in AGOT which is another clue. I believe Martin when he says he knew the endgame way back when, so I’m guessing, many answers are there from the beginning. I recently wrote this about how Jon killing Dany fits in with AGOT Ned:
I think Jon is more likely to be the one to successfully kill her, and in a way that calls to mind Ned's opinion on it, See her tears, hear her last words. That would allow Martin to make sure we see it as just/moral, bring home the Targ v Targ issue, and it shades Ned's decisions and values in a very interesting way. After s8 fans said Ned was wrong to fight against killing Dany in s1, but Martin thinks he was right to object to killing children, so for the two Targ children he was protecting in AGOT (Dany and Jon) to come face to face and one kill the other prevents the conclusion that Ned was wrong. It was the same mercy, the same refusal to see the child of an enemy as an enemy, that saved the boy who will in turn save Westeros. IMO, it's a way to uphold the belief in mercy. I tend to think it’s also Martin’s way of addressing one his questions about his beloved LOTR (what about orc babies etc). (link)
I haven't developed more thoughts on that, but that's where I am at the moment. I talked about some possible foreshadowing with "the dead man's revenge" as well.
Another reason why I object to Arya being the killer is that she is currently operating outside of Ned’s teachings about justice, so I don’t think her killing Dany fits within that initial, crucial theme. It being hard to do the act is an essential part of the struggle with mercy/justice. Someone like Jon on the other hand would provide an opportunity for Martin to wrap up his convo in a thoughtful, albeit complex, way.
Why would even killing Dany be considered as crime?
This is another reason to suspect it will be Jon. Dany will have invaded and burned KL and made a nuisance of herself, I can't imagine how the public would view killing her as a bad thing unless it were someone killing her in socially condemned context ie kinslaying, oathbreaking etc.
I mentioned the other day, Jaime has a horrible rep, but then we find out what Aerys was planning which is a layer of complexity for his characterization, and we also find out that he was ordered to kill his dad so then that's another wrinkle. He goes from without honor, to something admirable, to a blend of several motivations, to something human. I expect Dany's death to involve as many layers. It makes the sense to me that her death involves oathbreaking/betrayal, that doing the right thing marks the killer as a man without honor by some, and that he has a personal motivation as well. The only way to have any layers with the killing of Dany (when it will be so clearly right/necessary after she burns KL) is if it's Jon. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Of course, in all fairness, if people really don’t give a fuck when Dany is taken out (and we know Bran will be king so whatever happens, the Starks end up on power and with a good rep), it’s possible Arya kills her with no repercussions, maybe because, no one knows she did it. If that happens, it could be that Arya’s actions allow Jon to get the family and home he’s always wanted which is certainly, a much happier, more desirable ending for many of us. No plot armor, just a nice little culmination of her training.
But I need to reiterate, it seems increasingly unlikely we will ever get ADOS (shush, we are getting TWOW!), none of us will ever be proven right or wrong, so we don’t need to stress about different thoughts on the endgame. We each kinda get to choose our own ending (within reason!) 😅
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@melrosing 's asoiaf art meme! incredibly nostalgic to complete 10/10 experience
excuse the shittier quality of my drawings i was trying to keep it simple <3
typed out my notes under the cut bc my handwriting is illegible
Introduce yourself as a citizen of PLANETOS - Either a Blackwood or a Bracken (ironic), probably a member of the Dead Ladies Club, married to an old man or a cheater or something. hates life and simmers with internal rage
What do you like best about ASOIAF? the emotions... (and by extension the characters)... i was spoiled for ned's death but still cried for an hour when i read it
Who is your favorite character (dead or alive)? Sansa Stark <3 my fave since her first chapter and im not sorry
Your favorite house? Stark and Baratheon (+ lots of minor houses). Drew young Ned and Robert to represent their houses (included stick figures of them to show robert's stance he is bending tf down to fit into frame)
What's the best scene in the books (in your opinion)? King in the North scene in AGOT! (actually i have no idea but for some reason this was the first scene to come to mind)
A ship you like? CatNed, Loras&Renly, and Daensa (in the fanfic zone bc they havent met yet
Your favorite death (since this is ASOIAF)? Ned's... most iconic death + made me cry the most
Your favorite region of Planetos? the riverlands!
Who is your endgame King or Queen of Westeros? King Bran! Or Dany but bc of the sh*w ending im like p sure Bran is the most likely candidate (i could be wrong but ya idk i support my son either way)
Share a prediction for The Winds of Winter - Sansa will be Littlefinger's downfall (not in a way as bloody as my dramatic rendition tho)
It's over! As a parting gift, resurrect a character of your choice - Renly :) no reason i just think it would be funny (his hat says party prince king if u cant see it i triedddd)
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jonsnowunemploymentera · 1 year ago
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I think just think the fandom gets quite unimaginative when it comes to Bran, like there's a literal apocalypse coming with creatures that westeros thinks are long gone and Bran will play a vital role to stop it and also on top of it is a magical boy, is it that unreasonable for him for westerosi smallfolk and nobles alike to see him as someone who rebuild the realm.
Right. Plus Westeros is quite nearly a failed state. It’s on the brink of collapse, not to mention the upcoming doom brought by the Others. Is it too far fetched to expect that the political structure shifts to a point that allows for Bran’s ascension?
Bran is so central to the resolution of ASOIAF. It’s often ignored that he is right there with Jon at the front lines of the upcoming conflict. He’s where he is, beyond the wall and facing a northern threat, for a reason. GRRM also identifies him as the most magic-heavy character. It certainly seems that we as a fandom get so caught up on AA/tptwp, that we forget Bran is a walking, talking, glaring Last Hero allegory. And yes, he’s a greenseer and a magic boy. But he’s also heir to the largest kingdom in Westeros. Somehow people forget that…
And the strangest thing is, people often acknowledged that he would be the last POV character since he was the first. It makes sense for the story to start and end with Bran, but that was often the extent of his importance in the story.
Bran staying in that cave was the dominant endgame theory for him for many, many years. But I do think a part of it was people thinking that a disabled kid couldn’t become plot relevant; he can’t move so he might as well remain stagnant where he is. It’s how a lot of the complaints re not being able to have kids start. Sure, it is a problem but like…Rickon exists? His plot relevance so far has literally just been him occupying that position once Bran became Robb’s heir. Imo the point of Rickon is to be Bran’s successor and the one who carries the Stark line forward (and GRRM has been adamant that he’ll play a big part in upcoming books). If GRRM wants to make Bran king, I don’t see how it can’t be resolved satisfactorily. But Bran is a character who doesn’t have a large fandom and one whose importance is always written out that people twist themselves into knots denying that.
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