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As it is Black History Month I hope people remember that Cassandra Cain has had a history of having important relationships with a lot of black characters.
Obviously Duke Thomas, but like people often forget her explicitly romantic relationship with Coldcast and then her mentorship with Onyx Adams.
Not to mention her brief interaction with Bronze Tiger as well which led to a pretty iconic scene.




Let us also not forget that Cassandra Cain was co-created by a black man, Damion Scott. :)

#cassandra cain#duke thomas#coldcast#onyx adams#bronze tiger#damion scott#black history#black history month
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#superman#clark kent#kal el#lois lane#superman vs the elite#manchester black#menagerie#coldcast#hat#super video
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Superman vs. The Elite (2012)
#superman vs the elite#dcanimated#superman#clark kent#lois lane#manchester black#coldcast#nathan jones#menagerie#pamela#the hat#atomic skull#joseph martin#jonathan kent#jimmy olsen#perry white
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i love how almost all cass ships includes bruce absolutely seething in the background
kon el?? bro went to superman himself to “call off his boy”
stephanie brown? oh boy dont even get him started
rose wilson?? the daughter of deathstroke the terminator???? the killer???? god save him
#i think harper would be his fav#and i don’t even think he knows abt coldcast zero or brenda#casskon#stephcass#cassrose#cass cain#bruce wayne#ash’s ramblings
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the Background Default Canon thing always gets me when authors bring the Justice League into Bat fanfics. it's one thing to fudge the timelines because there was some big event happening that took everyone out of commission for a little while, or to play loose with what characterization would have been current for side characters, but so often none of the members they include were even on the League in the years surrounding the events they're writing about. just set your stuff in the DCAU at that point.
Ah yes, I am familiar with that irritation, particularly the "why are Barry, Ollie and Hal alive and members of the Justice League right now" form of it. Barry's the worst offender. Is this story set at any point between COIE and Flashpoint? Barry shouldn't be on the League.
But yes, there's so often a blindness to the fact that the 'classic' JLA lineup was basically absent between COIE and 1997, and had plenty of roster changes over the years from 1997 to 2011. It doesn't have to be perfect, but you could at least take a peek at who were core members around the time.
Because sometimes that sort of story is like "and then the Justice League showed up to help" and you're blinking going... which version? Did Bruce really call Maxima, Ray Terrill, Ted Kord and Captain Atom to help out? Because I can guarantee Bruce didn't want that list to turn up to help out.
#there's also the fact that at least 50% of the 'Justice League in a Bat fanfic' stories are all 'the Robins creep out the League'#and I groan#because either the members are dealing with weirder nonsense 5 days a week#or it's like...so what exactly are you suggesting Wally Kyle and Connor find odd about Dick and Tim?#those are their PEERS#'Today Justice League Elite showed up to help out'#'well Ollie Wally and Cass turned up and Manitou Dawn worried in the background'#'Coldcast came along because he is fond of Cass'
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Top 3 Cassandra Cain Canon Love Interests
Based on this poll! Thank you to everyone who voted :).
Without further ado, in third place we have...
Sal from Batgirl (2008)!
With 9.1% of votes. A surprising third place given I don't think many people know about him, but he's pretty nice in the 5 or so panels he appears in. He mentions going to Jakarta so he's probably Indonesian. Has anyone written a fanfic about Cass/Sal yet???
Prize: Getting a call from Cass after being ghosted since 2008!
In second place, we have...
Tai'Darshan from Batgirl (2000)!
With 33.3% of votes. TAI'DARSHAN YOU DESERVE THIS SO MUCH. My own personal #1 pick, Tai'Darshan was instrumental to Cass' development in many ways and fought for the freedom of his country. He deserves a LOT more than what canon gave him.
Prize: Coming back from the dead and beating up Batman!
And in first place, probably to no one's surprise, we have...
Superboy (Batgirl 2000)!
With a staggering 45.5% of votes. There's no competing with Conner and Cass' fun relationship, especially since it lasted beyond romance into a lighthearted and stable friendship. They have the honour of being the only couple on this list with fanfics AND tons of good fanart. Congrats KonCass shippers!
Prize: Getting to date at least one member of the Batfamily!
Coldcast and Zero both got 6.1% of votes, and poor Javier got nothing (though City of Light is awful so that makes sense). I think this goes to show Cass needs better canon love interests, her fanon/alt ones are miles better. Anyway, congratulations to all the winners!!!
#cassandra cain#sal (batgirl 2000)#tai'darshan#superboy#batgirl 2000#batgirl 2008#batman#casskon#taicass#salcass#i made those last two up there are no ship names it's so sad#WHEN cass gets her next solo (manifesting) they should try harder with the love interest
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I love it when Manchester isn’t an ass to his teammates
Im drawing Pam and Coldcast was we speak
#digital art#fanart#random art#superman vs the elite fanart#superman vs the elite#dc manchester black#dc hat#dc the elite#gave up a halfway through the rendering#art#artist on tumblr
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I don't love the MAWS Livewire because, basically, she's not 'saying' anything about society.
I really liked how they reinvented Parasite (though I would've preferred if he was still called Rudy Jones than Prof. Ivo) because his character says rather succinctly–billionaires are parasites. Boom. Perfect. No notes. Great social commentary.
Livewire's old job was supposed to be a criticism on right-wing sensationalist news pundits (which would've be extremely relevant right now) and how they're all just narcissistic attention whores who don't care how what they do/say hurt people (they did do something like that with Vicki Vale, which is admittedly nice).
MAWS's Livewire says. . . nothing. She's just a generic mercenary/thief with superpowers. They could've made her Atomic Skull, Volcana, Anomaly, or even a genderbent Coldcast, and nothing would be different.
Yes, Livewire has been changed before in shows like Young Justice and Supergirl, but that shouldn't excuse MAWS from missing an opportunity to say something meaningful.
Just say you hate the fact that this incarnation is a person of color and save us all the trouble.
This show gave its unique take on all the villains, yet you don't see anybody getting worked up over the fact that Silver Banshee doesn't speak with an Irish accent now do you?
The MAWS incarnation of Intergang are a group of petty crooks with no connections to Darkseid, yet nobody is making a huge fuss about that.
Not every villain has to be some thinly veiled metaphor for a real world issue. Some villains are just evil for the sake of being evil.
And don't sit there and act like this show was scared of tackling real world issues, the writers had Lex Luthor spout out a bunch of right wing xenophobic talking points when Viki Vale interviewed him.
Livewire doesn't need to be an Alex Jones expy to be compelling.
Don't like this version of the character? Cool, go watch the 90's animated series or Supergirl.
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Foreshock (Villainous Oc)
Name: Clayton Knox
Ethnicity: African American
Sexuality: Straight
Relatives: Malcolm Knox (father-deceased); Harriet Knox (mother-deceased); Curtis Knox (older brother-deceased)
Affiliations: PEACE; The Elect
Abilities: Earthquake Generation
Headcannon Voice Actor: Catero Colbert (English); Alan Bravo (Spanish)
Residence: Compton, California (originally); Marin City
Personality: Just like the other member of the Elect, he is a very ruthless superhero who shows no mercy towards villains and think they deserve everything they get. However, despite being unforgiving towards villains he does have a soft spot for children and families due to what happened with his family. He also is the one who has the most doubts about if the person they are targeting really deserves the brutality and is often remind by his other teammates what happens if you let evil run amok. He is very loyal to his companions and will defend them even at the cost of his wellbeing or life.
Background: Originally from Compton, California he grew up in a relatively working class environment where he had a happy life with his family. However, it soon changed when one day when his neighborhood was having a barbecue a shooting happened and killed his family. He became so enraged that he charged at him, snatched the gun, and shot him. The event forever changed himself and he would vow never to let anyone evil manage to kill his loved ones again. He later was recruited into the PEACE program where he got powers and became a member of the Elect under Sydney Spyke.
* He's a fan of old school rap like Tupac, NWA, and Biggie.
* He's a big comic and anime/manga fan.
* He has a soft spot for kids and families. While he is nonchalant about endorsing murder, he also wants children to never fear losing their families like he did.
* He keeps a picture of his family as a memento.
* He is very close to Sydney Spyke and consider each other best buds.
* He is based on Coldcast from the Elite.
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Yeah, they kind of have it reversed. Cass would demand Jason stop killing. She has deep trauma around murder thanks to her past.
She has redeemed other killers, so it's not new territory for her (Alpha and Coldcast stand out as romantic examples).
And given Jason is afraid of what Cass can do to him, it's a fertile ground for fun, IMO.
I don't really have strong feelings about what Cass and Jason's dynamic should be. But I think people who think Jason would hate Cass for believing in not killing don't understand Jason as a character.
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Superman vs. The Elite is a compelling and action-packed animated feature that impresses with its solid animation style, engaging storyline, and memorable characters. The clash between Superman and The Elite, along with their unique abilities and ideologies, adds depth and excitement to the narrative. Fans of DC Comics and Superman, in particular, will find much to appreciate in this thrilling showdown between the Man of Steel and The Elite.
The film's animation style is classic comic book feel, staying true to the characters' iconic designs. The animation brings the powerful battles to life with fluidity and dynamic energy. It captures the raw strength and agility of Superman as he faces off against The Elite, making for thrilling action sequences that truly showcase the extent of the characters' superhuman abilities. The attention to detail in the animation adds an extra layer of depth to the film, drawing viewers deeper into the world of Superman and his adversaries.
The Elite, consisting of Manchester Black, Coldcast, Menagerie, and The Hat, is a formidable group of antiheroes with unique powers and personalities. Led by Manchester Black, a charismatic and complex character, The Elite challenges Superman's traditional approach to crime-fighting. Each member brings a distinct set of abilities and ideologies, which amplifies the tension and conflict between them and the Man of Steel. These interactions not only provide thrilling battles but also offer thought-provoking discussions about the nature of heroism and the boundaries of justice.
The storyline explores the moral dilemma faced by Superman as he questions his commitment to truth, justice, and the American way in the face of The Elite's brutal methods of crime-fighting. This conflict forms the core of the film, delving into the philosophical debate of how far a hero should go to achieve justice. It raises intriguing questions about the nature of power, responsibility, and the thin line between heroism and tyranny. The narrative is well-paced and filled with exciting twists and turns, keeping viewers engaged throughout.
The voice performances in the film are top-notch, with George Newbern reprising his role as the Man of Steel. Newbern's portrayal captures the earnestness and nobility that defines Superman, grounding the character amidst the chaos and moral ambiguity of the plot. The rest of the voice cast brings a solid level of energy and personality to their respective roles, giving life to The Elite and the supporting characters.
Overall, Superman vs. The Elite is a well-made and entertaining animated feature that offers something for fans of all ages. The film's strong animation, engaging storyline, and memorable characters make it a must-see for anyone who enjoys superhero movies.
Recommendation: I highly recommend Superman vs. The Elite to fans of DC Comics, Superman, and superhero movies in general. The film is a well-made and entertaining animated feature that offers something for everyone.
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Oof that original Coldcast design. Also credit to the artist for making Superman as scary and roided out looking as possible for when he pretends to murder The Elite.
Also funny enough when looking at Superman like characters and potential Dr. Who references you have Mark Waid's 2009, I believe, comic Irredeemable about a evil "Superman" that had another main character Qubit who was just basically the 10th Doctor

Supermay! What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way? (Patreon Review for Brotoman.EXE)
Hello all you happy kryptonains and welcome back to supermay, a month long tribute to all things man of steel. This week is a two parter as we look at one of the best superman comics of all time, one of the best one shot issues of all time and one of the best deconstructions of "Why don't heroes do whatever they want and kill whoever they want" of all time. I'm not softballing it: this issue is fantastic. We'll also be looking at it's adaptation later this week, the DTV film Superman Vs the Elite.
For now though we're focusing on the original story. What's So Funny... was originally published in 2001 in Action Comics 775, written by Joe Kelly and drawn by Doug Mankhe and Lee Bermejo.
For those not familiar with him Kelly is a comics legend, having helped define deadpool with his first solo book and coming back to the character quite a bit without the dimnishing returns creators sometimes have. He also founded animation studio Man of Action and is one of the co-creators of both Ben 10 and Generator Rex.
Kelly wrote superman for a 5 year run, a nice stretch all things considered and one I wish, like most of 90's and 2000's superman would get recollected. Or at the very least hopefully is on dc universe infinite. It's not AS good as having collections out there, but it's something. But if his stories are anywhere near this good, i'd love to see more of them.
Kelly wrote What's So Funny as a direct response to another book DC was publishing at the time: The Authority. The Authority were created by emotinally abusive grooming coersive dickhead Warren Ellis and entirely good dude Bryan Hitch. I bring up the latter because Hitch seems genuinely kind and deserves his flowers... and the former because it shouldn't be forgotten. Ellis hasn't genuinely atoned, deserved to loose everything he did, and while his talent shouldn't be forgotten, it's only because his talent is WHY he was able to do this. If we suddenly go "Oh he always sucked", it undercuts HOW he was able to do this. Most people he abused were fans of his and it's worth remembering he was talented.. and must ALWAYS be remembered what he choose to use said talent to do to people. I won't go into details as to avoid triggering those of you who have been simiarly abused, but if your curious go to somanyofus.com. What testimonals I have read are heartbreaking.
As for the Authority itself, it was a followup to Ellis' run on storm watch, a book created by Jim Lee about a UN Sanctioned super team that Ellis helped transform, adding in some new creations of his own to revitalize the team. The book was a critical hit and loved at the offices of Wildstorm, the company that published stormwatch and would soon be bought by DC. The problem was it wasn't selling, and Ellis, both feeling bad they were keeping the book around just because of him and wanting to take things up a notch, reconfigured the team into the authority.
The Authority was a massively powerful team, assembled to face massive threats like an army of supermen dispatched by a mad dictator, a colonliast alien-italian empire that wanted to take earth, and God itself who turned out to be an elder god wanting to restore earth to factory settings. Hitch's art made things feel BIG and cinematic, his specality, and helped show just how big comics could be alongside other works before it (JLA) and after it (New X-Men).
The team had swagger, cool powers.. and most important to this story.. no problem with killing. The team carved their way through armies of enemies, killing whoever they had to and in the first two arcs comitted mass murder: Midnighter, the team's batman and biggest asshole, drove their ship through a country just to get at the first arc's big bad, while the Doctor, their magic man and only able to get away with the name because Doctor Who hadn't been revivied just yet, killed all of alternate italy to destroy an alien empire. These steps weren't taken lightly and were only taken because otherwise more death would follow, but it was clear the team weren't meant to be good guys: simply the only ones who COULD do the job.
This changed with the following run, and I read both Ellis' run and the first two arcs of it's followup for proper context. I ddin't necessarily half to and Brotoman didn't ask and was honestly shocked I put in this much extra effort... but I realized if your going to disect a work calling out the other work, you need to have a fresh understanding of what it's fighting against.
So Ellis' run was followed up by comics legend Mark Millar. Millar seems to be a nice guy nowadays, fun to be around, lvoes the buisness, keeps going simply because he can and with one of the largest creator owned rosters of characters around.
In the 2000's though and for most of his career.. Millar was the king of the edgelords. he was the threw it on the ground guy as an actual tangible person. Millar's idea of adult storytelling was some genuine political comentary idaes.. mixed with a lot of sex and violence for the sake of sex and violence, using senstive topics like sexual assault simply to seem "edgy". So naturally the Authority went from "assholes to a point but with limits" to every last one of them saying edgelord shit, mowing down everyone in their path and LOVING it, and fucking everyone they could because Mark Millar likes ot scream
In your ear while doing nothing to prove he's not a 13 year old boy in a grown up's body. And please note I would gladly review Millar's shit as much as it frustrates me, but will never cover anything by Ellis as long as he lives, as I do not want to give that fucker any more attention than I have to, despite my reactoin to reading the first arc of the authority under him being a resounding
To give you an idea of what I had to put up with dialouge wise, here's a samping from the first four issues of Millar's run.
There's more and the bad guys are even worse, but i'd rather not throw that in here on the grounds that I LIKE you guys and I don't want to throw unecessary edgelord bollocks in here that might trigger some of you who've geninely gone through things Millar brings up just to seem more "adult".
So that's where the authority were at, and it's impressive that things escalated so much in four issues less than a YEAR before What's So Funny was published> It's why I read what I did: It's what would've been out there and while Ellis' run had likely bothered kelly, given how the Elitie are depicted and how their leader acts, it's clear a LOT of it came from Millar's work. I mean you have to be a specail brand of douchebag to get a response to your characters being the worst less than a YEAR in.
The bigger reason for this response was how fans reacted: Fans.. LOVED the authority and as tends to happen when you get a shiny new "edgy" team, some asked: "Why doe we need those other guys? If we have heroes willing to kill, topple governments and swagger all the while, why do we need some guy in tights telling us not to?" Superman was seen by some as outdated and as a result was the target of one of the oldest arguments in all of comics: should superheroes keep doing what they do, or should they take the world and force it to be better or else? It's an argument that NEVER seems to go away.
Proving this, DC had just done a story like this 5 years ago with Kingdom Come, which explored both heroes who are worse than the villians and what happens when the heroes take over. And before THAT marvel did Squadron Supreme in 1985, showing what would genuinely happen if a justice league equilvent took over the world. It'll always be a questoin to be had because readers will cycle out and the next batch will ask the same questions. So join me as we look at the answers, see WHY Superman needs to stand against this and why his methods, despite being questioned every couple of years, stand the test of time and the test of someone who had a dream he didn't like.
We open with Superman flying to Libya as superman flies to stop a superterror attack.. in this case a giant gorilla wielding a giant gun and I will pay adam wingard 5 dollary doos if the next Godzilla X Kong Film involves Kong pistol wipping a giant monster with a shot gun. Just saying.
At any rate clark arrives.. to find something truly horrific.
I give artist Doug Manhke a LOT of credit... despite having only a spread to work with he shows just how horrific this is.. and that's WITHOUT giving anything away about who did it. All we know is suddenly a group with a lot of power saved the day.. but also dropped a giant monster corpse on a city, left said city in ruins, and massacred what was , in all likelyhood an animal who had no say in being made into a giant cybernetic monstrosity. I mean this IS the dc universe with an entire ape city. I could buy Grodd or someone like him growing giant and giving themselves some cable armor to go do some murders, it just comes off more like someone super sized an ape afte rloading it up with hardware and relseaed it on a city and instead of rocgnizing the beast was simply a wild animal, those responsible brutalyl murdered it.
We soon find out who as Clark hears back from the rest of the Daily Planet crew as competing paper the Star, based on the paper Clark worked at in the earlier stories and that grant morrison would bring back for their action comics run, published a gushing story about the four monsters responsible: The Elitie, a super powerful superteam whose leader, Manchester Black even gave a statement "Trust me the old ways are dead in a year you'll love me for this".. then he cut the general he gave the statment too's legs off. It's a great intro: without meeting the guy we instantly know the deep level of prick we're dealing with, and how he'll do a casual violence simply becaues he wants to. Two thousand soldiers died in this attack along with the actual target. Also Jimmy gives a VERY poorly aged joke about watning to shoot the staff of the daily star, which is in character but still feels entirley messed up especially since Columbine had happened at this point. Jesus Jim.
As for who wrote this puff piece that would be Jack Ryder.
For those not familiar with him, Jack Ryder is a "Journalist" and I say so in the loosest terms as in most apperances he's just trying to get attention, being eerly similar to the wave of reactionary assholes we'd see in that decade. He's also the superhero the creeper, a split personality of his who wears a giant boa, cackles and is both awesome and criminally underused by dc. Seriously why they don't use this guy more I don't know. Jack gets more apperances and they can find another strawman or make one.
At any rate Jack's not here to be creepy but to praise terroists while his other self facepalms on the inside. He and clark have debate that is less than civil... and it's telling that clark , who does try to be calma nd kind even when he's pissed off, is absolutely FURIOUS at jack propping these assholes up
Now what I really like about this scene is Jack is an asshole. He make sa mocking joke before maknig an actual pointa nd dowplays all the innocent people who died. And the ape. Seriously someone feel bad an ape died. Why is it just me.
But he raises one valid point while talking directly out of his ass: "And three months later it would happen all over again"> Jack is wrong about..e verything else. Entirely. Seriously creeper needs to get a body seperator machine asap.. but he's right this shit is cyclical and people want a fix. Even 23 years later.. the world still feels broken. Kelly doesn't like the authority.. but he gets WHY people like them: Their a power fantasy, a group of people killing all the big bad dictators, putting corrupt presidents in check and trying to fix a broken world. Their methods are horrible.. but in a time that' scomplciated, unfair and frightening.. it's so easy to cling to someone who seemingly has the answers. It's why so many people flock to the right: turning to hate is sometimes the easiest solution.
We get a brief interlude with president luthor where we find out just HOW powerful these guys are. one of them, coldcast blinked and it shorted out satilites. As Amanda waller put it superman would need a jetpack and a space shuttle to even come close to their power

Naturally Lex's position.. is to let it lie. He plans to turn them into cat food, his exact words, if they so much as touch the US.. but for now their fighting other metas for respect.. and given their clearly gunning for superman and badly outclass him.. well Luthor can't resisit seeing how it plays out, letting the leitie have their fun for now.. and seeing if he can get a dead superman out of the deal. He dosen't say that directly.. but he's sure as hell thinking it as hard as he can.
The Elitie aren't resting on their laurels either, releasing a manefsto that amounts to "do bad shit and we'll fucking kill you". Superman talks this over with Steel.. but it's clear their getting to clark.. and the one thing he says makes it clear why "Do you think the world's moved on?". IT's a powerful statment: Clark himself is wondering if this is what people WANT now, if he's outmoded and if he' sreally making a diffrence.
He dosen't have time to answer as a crisis in Tokyo happens .. and Clark gets to be front and center to meet the Elite this time. Sadly.. Clark can't do anything. His body start's slowing down and we later find out it was coldcast of the elite, having done so to stop an army of geneticly engeneered samurai from massacring toykyo... so the elite massacre them instead. And after a good 15 or so pages of setup.. we finally get a look at the future.
They clockwise from the center; Manchester Black, the groups leader and mouthpiece and powerful Telekenetic, Coldcast, electric man whose deisgn was really not thorught through whatsoever and looks racist as hell, Menagre, a woman combind witha colony of deady creature and the hate, a japanese man merged with a demon that give hims a bunch of magical powers
What's intresting is rather than go 1:1, the elite compress the members of the auhority down from seven people to four so before we move on here's who they represent on the Authority
Manchester Black: Manchester is a combination of the authorities leaders: Founder Jenny Sparks and her successor Jonathan Hawksmore. Sparks is the spirit of the 20th century, had no real fliter and was never all tha tpolite, while Hawksmor was modified by aliens to become one with cities, able to travel between them effortlessly, and was also a jackass in a leather jacket who was dismissive to everyone> both gave grandose speeches and had no respect for anyone else who wasn't on their team. His powers are all him, likely because the electric poewrs were already livewires thing (and thus ported over to another member) and jack's powers were creatively specitic and somethign that might not work on superman, able to have cities eath people alive.. and given Superman's a good dude they likely woudln't.
Coldcast: Electric dynamo. Again that design what the fuck .Seems to be a combo of Jack and Jenny power wise, able to manipuate the ground in addition to electricity... I say seems as I had to look pu their power sets as the story isn't very speciic about them and Manchesters is only known to me because being a telepath and telekenetic are key to later stories starring the guy.
Menagere: Seems to be a comination of the team's two other female members; the Engineeer, a scientest with nanites in her blood that can shape into anything and swift, a woman who can grow claws and has wings, simply combingin the living hive nature of the engineer and making it more biological like swift.
The Hat: The only one that's honestly.. pretty much the same person from the authority just with a diffrent name. The Hat is based on the doctor, an ex drug addict and voice of the earth itself, latest in a long line of doctors who can do whatever he feels like really. That's not hyperbole: the doctor can bend reality and the rest of the authority all had weaknesses: Swift is fast but not super strong, the Engineer can only make things up to the the point her body has enough blood to still function, Hawksmoor's powers only work in a city, Apollo has to have a solar charge built up, something their dimension traveling spaceship dosen't provide, etc. The Doctor's only issue is if someone can cut him off and when that was done in Millar's first arc it still made no sense. It's also why I gather while the rest of the authority keeps coming back now their a full part of the dc universe, Jenny, who was dead, is even getting a mini series in august, the Doctor is just too powerful to bring back without finding some new check and ballance for him that isn't just "he's an ex addict", as we're more senstive to addiction these days, as we should be.
There's two notable omissions: Apollo and Midnighter. Apollo and Midnighter are the book's breakout stars by a wide margin, having been the first to be succesfully integrated into the dcu and being fan faviorites from the word go. The two are stand in's for superman and batman, but still distinct enough to work: Both are a bit darker given their background being raised by manipulative bastard among all manipulative bastards Henrey Bendix and both have unique power diffrences that set them apart: Apollo , as established, charges up his powers with the sun and what he can do is dependant on how much charge he has... but to compesnate for having a bigger reliance on the sun, he can shoot energy and thus wipe out an entire crowd of enemies with one shot and keep going. Midnighter meanwhile has a combat computer in his brain, is a few steps ahead like batman and has regenerating nanite blood, being essentially what happens if batman and wolverine became the same person.. again, and had less restraint.
The two are also married. Yeah, in the 90's, edgelord as they could be... we had two openly queer characters. Not only that the rest of the team accepted them: they'd crack jokes about the two's relationship, but no one genuinely cared the two were gay and given this was the late 90's, that's a HUGE statement. And i'll give credit where it's due: I may not like MIllar's run and only read what I absolutely had to... but he DID end said run with the two getting married and thankfully even with ellis being the worst. if your curious about the two I highly recommend Steve Orlando's run on Midnighter and it's followup Apollo and Midnighter, integrating the two into the dc universe.
So why would they leave out the two biggest characters on the roster? Simple.. their based on Superman and Batman. Having a golden god around kinda undermines the Elite's whole "Take a seat grandpa the new kids are here", gimmick, and if you throw in a batman type guy... it begs the question why Clark dosen't bring in Batman. And while pitting the elitie versus the justice league WOULD'VE been intresting, it wasn't something they had time for: Kelly wasn't writing JLA yet, and while having them appear in superman's book isn't out of bounds.. they had one issue. And my guess is they were squeezing said issue in before they had to start the build up to the big "Our Worlds at War" crossover that year, which started in august. The fact this story happened before that with Kelly presumibly already having stories planned, in less than a year, is a miracle in itself, so I get Kelly didn't really have time to loop in the rest of everyone and thus he trimmed the authority down to four elities for time's sake
And even with a small group... none of them are really fleshed out here aside from Manchester. I had to look up their powers because they got filled in in later stories. Here their just vauge and powerful. It's one of the stories few weakpoints: the rest of the elitie are just jackasses on a power high and that's all their personality is. It dosen't hurt the story a lot as that's all the story really needs and Manchester Black is such an engaging and despicable shithead that you only really need the one ring master for this circus, but it is something I look forward to in the movie, which has the time to flesh this out Kelly simply didn't have here.
Like I said though.. Black is engagin. He's thorughly vile here... but in a way where you get WHY people are trusting this asshole: he gives cleverly worded speeches, takes out bigger bad guys, and generally has a swagger to him. He still has the charm that Sparks and Hawksmoor genuinely had.. but he also has the asshole turned up a notch, again whY I feel that this story is a response to millar: Jenny and Jack were dicks under Ellis.. but Millar just has this very specific brand of dickishness in his characters , especially his mouth pieces, that Kelly captures REALLY well with Manchester. He's a swaggering asshole who answers to no one else and would stop a man from saving lives simply to try and prove he's outdated.
He also gives supes a tour: like the authority, the elite have a ship that's sentient. Unlike the Authority's ship, which is at best a lost child the team basically adopts when they realize it's alive and spend time gently coaxing when they need it to leave earth orbit and face it's abandonment issues, Bunny, the Elitie's hq.. is enslaved by them. They found out it was sapient, found out she didn't like what they were doing.. and cut out her heart to make her more compliant.
Superman understandably isn't here for a tour, he's here to stop them.
Manchester isn't wrong: some villians don't play fair, the world itself dosen't, and so he raises the question of "why shoudlnt' we". The brilliant thing is while he has a point that the world is in rough shape... it's HOW he phrases it that points out the flaws in his philosphy: "Any normal person could do this if they had the chance".. but SHOULD they. Is it really okay to be a bad person simply because your going after worse people? And superman's answer is a very clear "No". More on that as we go but for now Superman gets sent to a superman themed car dealership for his trouble.
We cut to the Kent Farm, where we get pa revealing he decked a guy insulting clark for the incident. I like that it dosen't shy away from the fact that no, Small Town America is not immune to this kind of thought, giving into hate because it seems like the easy solution. But once again Kelly, rather than be super condescinding, gets into why people might buy into what the elitie are selling: the world is a scary place, and it's easy to buy into someone offering a quick solution, a band aid to the world's problems. To become the evil to stop the evil.
This story, while deconstructing him slightly, does get ot hte heart of WHY Superman is needed, in his worlds and in ours: He's an inspiration. As Pa points out.. clark shows them theirs a better way. That we can be better. Clark himself madea speech like this in JLA a few years before this, a speech I feel gets to the heart of the character and superheroes in general
That's what a superhero is. not a babysitter in spandex, not the cure to a wounded world... simply someone there to help humanity at it's lowest, when it needs them.. and to inspire the average person to be better. To try and make a bette rowrld even if it seems impossible. And note this dosen't mean ignoring rough shit in the world, both Supermana nd Wonder Woman have gone into dictatorships and saved civliians. It's not letting that consume you. It's hard, so very hard, to not let the world swallow you up hole.. but fighting that every day is heroic. To simply be and to be good to others. It's what makes these guys heoric: they may stumble from time to time.. but they get back up, and do good despite the world shitting on them, or people like Black telling them "your irrelvant". You fight because it's the right thing to do, because it's what you can do to help the world.
Pa is also sure clark can just.. kick the elitie's asses if it goes south.. but Clark isn't. It's not helped by the tide turning against him: while several citizens do doubt the leitie... many support them. An easy fix to hard issues. But the most chilling.. is the children
That idea that being able to kill somehow makes you better.
Supes still tries to take the high road, stopping the men in black, who in the dc universe apparently traffic aliens. He stops the aliens witht hem with water. no loss of life, no muss no fuss. The Elitie have been watching, and Manchester is utterly bored with this lecture, not taking it seriously and calling supes an idiot when he plans to have the league and the DEO haul these guys in. Black lets supes know these are super black ops people and will just be given cushy job training other guys to do the same. And superman.. just says he'll keep putting them away till they get the point.
Yeah while i'm on clark's side, and do think the elitei's solution of just.. killing them solves nothing, after all if these guys can be replaced, how does killing a few to send a message do anything? They'll just find more guys willing to do it despite the risk. But at the same time... Superman is smarter than this. We'll see that shortly. He knows better than to just "lock them up again". He'd have Batman look into it, then use the league to make sure these guys got the justice they deserved. He has on his team a telepath with global connections, a recognized ambassador, a king and a billionare and that's just people on the team currently. He can make sure these guys ar eheld acoutnable and find out and bust up who they worked for. Just.. phrase it tha tway instead.
Black isn't impressed.. but his repsonse shows he's somehow worse at this than just "keep beating them and hopefully they'll stop which has worked never times but i'll do it anyway": Have the hat Kill them all.. and their families. Superman naturally punches the hat before he can do this.. and Black decides this is more than enough justifacation to formally go after superman.
Honestly the more I think about this scene, the more I see it as a ploy: Dont get me wrong, given his actions I do think Black would slaughter someone's family as a message... but he does so right after superman genuinely tried to show them a better way, making it clear he hates the lecture and ONLY listned to try and prove some kind of point. He KNEW these gyuys existed, they created menagre.. but didn't do anything about them or give Superman actual advice. He just wanted to strut in and then try and undo everything clark did, all the live she didn't take, just so he'd have the thinest justifcation to pick a fight with superman one on four. As for why not just do this from the outset that's simple: Manchester Black CLEARLY wannted the smug satisfaction of breaking superman, of getting him to see his way, wether it was by sitting out or by being humbled. He wanted this fight from the second he swaggered up, and simply dragged it out this long to humilate superman. He knows this isn't just a battle of two blokes punching each other, it's a battle for the world's soul, a battle of ideals: Black's "kill ema ll and let god sort it out" pessimist versus superman "We have to let them be better on thier own and they can be" optimist.
Lois.. is less pleased, mostly because she's sure her husband is going to die. And I like how the art convey's this too: Lois has more faith than clark in anybody but you can tell by her eyes she's worried about her husband picking a fight with a team on the league's level just to prove a point, to possibly die for it. It's chilling to see lois, of all people, scared. But clark has to go: even if he dies for this, it's, like I said, a battle of ideals. If he backs down more people like those kids find killing fun, the easy way the only way, and the world gets even worse. He has to show the world there's a better way.. because if he dosen't everything he's fought for, everything he stands for slowly slides away and more good people fight and die to preserve his ideals.
Clark confronts them. Naturally they choose metropolis for this final battle.. and naturally Clark says "hell no" to that as he isn't going to put innocents in danger. Black agrees, though he has their ship broadcast it worldwide: he wants the world to know this was a fair fight.
Our fighters head for the moon. Unsuprisingly Clark tries one last time to talk them down. I'd call this suicidal... but it's also Supes. He'll try talking, try reforming people if he can. And it'd be weird if he didn't. The Elitie take this as you'd expect.. Manchester tk's him then they take turns beating himn while he speechifies again.
Superman is seemingly curbstomped, with Coldcast delivering some electricity to his brain , seemingly blwoing superman up real good.. but as the Elitie brag... a voice is heard
We then get one of the most bonechilling scenes in comics.. as Superman finally decides to play by The elitie's rules..
In only two pages for us and two minutes for the elitie.. the team is down, semeingly dead. IT's a terrifying display of just what superman CAN do: take the air away, rip your powers away, or just hurl you into space. We've seen plenty of evil superman stand ins do things like this, the viltrumites from invincible are essentially one long look at that, but seeing CLARK do it.. is something else. Something far worse.
Superman finishes the fight by seemingly lobotmizing black, taking out the section of the brain that give shim his powers.. and as black cries and breaks down.. Superman.. lifts the curtain
It's a brilliant twist that also puts all the pieces in place: Clark went alone.. because he had to make it beliviable, and the others were always on standbye. He likely told Bruce and the others what he had planned simply because otherwise.. they would've come to stop him. It's what Clark would want if he really crossed that line.
He simply disabled their powers for now: he gave Chester a concussion: he'll get his powers back.. but will be under tons of psy dampeners befor ehe can.
I love this display: it both shows WHY superman could be dangerous.. and why he isn't. It's easy to be vengeful... it's harder to try and inspire people not to, to keep dreaming ot keep trying to be better. It' sthe hard road but the better one: sure he could kill or take over the world.. but humanity isn't his to take. It's his to help inspire, to make us better by showing what the best of us can do with the gifts they were born with. Chester, like any villian vows he'll be back this isn't over... and clark's response to being told he's dreaming?
A simple powerful closure: superman is living for some lofty ideals .. but their ones worth aspiring towards, to neve rstop fighting for.. ever.
What's So Funny is an excellent story. It suffers here and there from it's short run time, but still serves as an excellent response to critics of superman while not trying to be patronizing. The grungy art fits the tone of the story and the climax is a thing of beauty. check this one out if you can find it
Next Time: It's Superman Vs teh Elitie. Yes again. This time on the medium sized screen as Kelly expands his story into a full blown animated film.
#what's so funny about truth justice and the american way#superman#the authority#irrdeemable#quibit#the doctor
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I know that the ship between Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain is popular, and DC would probably do it in the future (maybe a few years). But, out of genuine curiosity, how would you react, if, against all odds, and for some reasons, DC Comics decided to pair either Cassandra and Stephanie up with another male love interest that would be their definitive love interest for the rest of this current run?
Like, I know that 99.9% the ship between Stephanie Brown and Cassandra would eventually happen in the main run, but what if we got the 0.01% where the love interest that they respectively have is a male? Like, a possibility.
How would you react to that?
First of all anon I love the optimism you have that StephCass will eventually happen, I don't think 99.9% is the probability I fear 😔. But then again who knows?? Brombal is a 3x GLAAD award nominee maybe he could earn a fourth by confirming StephCass once and for all??
As for your question, it depends on the execution for me. Steph getting a male love interest makes sense, she's shown attraction to men before (including the set-up between her and Kyle Mizoguchi in Batgirls. Did we ever follow up on that??). Her and Kyle could be fun, and honestly I just want Steph back in comics so having a love interest revolve around her (instead of her being the love interest to Tim or Cass) could work really well! Obviously I think StephCass has history that makes that relationship interesting, but I'm not opposed to Steph getting a male love interest if it means more spotlight on her and her story in the comics.
Now, Cass getting a male love interest is honestly a dime a dozen. Off the top of my head she's had Tai, Kon, that gardener guy, Zero, Coldcast, Dr. Shin, Sal, and Javier. That's a ton of guys!!! The problem with Cass' male love interests is they are almost always blips, they never contribute much to her story (except for Tai and Kon). If they give Cass another male love interest who appears for 2 issues and does nothing, that's just boring at this point. But if it feeds into the plot/themes, Cass' development, or the guy is just cool, I wouldn't mind. I can see ways a proper male love interest could add to her story.
Basically it highly depends on how the male love interest is executed for both of them. I am not opposed to the concept, but given Cass' track record in particular I don't think the guy is likely to stick around.
#cassandra cain#stephanie brown#ask#anon i really hope you keep your optimism for stephcass though <333#at this point i'll take anything to make steph appear consistently in comics#omg steph + kyle romance and cass grows jealous.... could be a great story arc#spoilerheads what do you think of steph + kyle#special thanks to zeph for the term spoilerheads i love it i will use it everyday
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I blacked out and a demon took over my body.
They said.
"Redraw The Elite members. Do it now"
I woke up and this is what remains. I ran out of space to draw Coldcast :( I'll draw him later.
#digital art#fanart#random art#sketch#art#superman vs the elite#the elite#manchester black#hat#menagerie
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