#esfp loop

[mbti-notes]

Anon wrote: Hello! Early 20s female ESFP here with a question about ego development. I’ve spent the entirety of my teenage/adult life vacillating between level 1 and 2 and I’ve never managed to make it to level 3. My question is whether it’s possible to reach level 4 without ever going through level 3, or whether I need to go through level 3 first - and if I do need to go through level 3, how does that work exactly? What characteristics or abilities will I develop in level 3 which are necessary to progress to level 4? Is it harmful for me to attempt to reach level 4 now? Or should I just forget about stages of ego development and instead focus on developing my dominant and auxiliary functions?

If it’s relevant, the reason for my delayed ego development is trauma and mental illness, but I’ve had a lot of therapy and been prescribed medication so I think I’m stable enough for self-improvement.

Thanks so much for your blog btw, it helped me realise the root of my problems (Fi resistance, Te loop and Ni grip) and start taking steps to improve myself!

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I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I don't think you're asking the right questions. I dislike questions that start with "is it possible..." because they often end up being too theoretical to be useful. So what if it is theoretically possible? This does nothing to answer the question of whether it is possible for YOU, given the particulars of your case.

You haven't provided enough concrete details of your case for me to draw any firm conclusions. You haven't described what these "levels" actually look like in your mind or how exactly your loop/grip behaviors manifest. Without this information, all I can do is speculate wildly about what's really going on with you.

I won't speculate but explain what needs to be done in a nutshell:

I wouldn't say forget about ego development and just focus on functions, because, ideally, the two ought to go hand-in-hand. Any kind of weirdness in one or the other is a flashing sign to you that something is not right, and you have to take those signs and use them to spur improvement.

For example, an inexplicable desire to "skip" an ego level is often an unconscious extension of unhealthy tertiary loop behavior. It means your underlying intentions aren't coming from the right place, which could lead your type development astray.

Applying this to your type, if you truly want to understand what level 3 ego development is about, you MUST develop healthy use of Fi. Without healthy Fi, aiming for level 4 is very, very likely to reactivate and even worsen Te loop. Correspondingly, wanting to skip over level 3 is likely to be an unconscious manifestation of Fi resistance.

It is very important to develop healthy use of your functions in the correct order of your functional stack. And if you happen to be on the wrong track, there will be signs that are reflected through ego development problems. At that point, you know you need to change your way of thinking or your method of approach.

As nice as it would be, personal growth isn't a straight line. There will be plenty of confusion, conflict, setbacks, obstacles, and failures along the way. The key point is whether you can be honest about what you're really doing and why (cultivate self-awareness), and then correct course as necessary.

If you can be honest with yourself, Se+Fi will ultimately lead you to a good place. Discover the things you love and devote yourself to them. Make sure your time is well spent producing tangible good for yourself and others. The rest will then fall into place naturally.

[flapmemelord]

THANK you @onelastskip for that suggestion.............. might be a little late but.... here's why I think ESFP fits Elio to a T (and I can't wait to see how his shortcomings get explored especially in regards to functions...) (it delves with a few hcs, but addresses spring semester and stuff adressed in blank-house asks)

SO !!! ESFP (Se-Fi-Te-Ni) Elio right? Dominant Se makes a lot of sense for Elio. Se is all about getting sensory enjoyment out of life. He likes expressing himself through his physicality (and is good at it), sports in part but not only. He's known for participating in more than a few events thrown by the SGB (to the point of having a nickname because of his infamous way of filling out forms / to the point deja said the wall climbing event was for him). Elio is very open to new situations and quick to say yes if invited, an on-the-whim kind of guy and liking it that way. He can come off as a showoff (cue him destroying everyone in bar holding spring festival game and/or challenging high confidence mcs) superficial ("I didn't know people could argue so much about a prize" / he feels like he has to justify himself and tells Deja he has layers when confronted about his music tastes) or comes off as childish (quick to guilttrip if he likes mc enough, pouts) which are traits Se doms are likely to be labeled as. Misuse of Se might include relying too much on immediate feedback and / or external stimulation for satisfaction, being careless with decisions or relationships (which is what I'm working on for Elilo (Elio/Lorelei)) It can also mean having no focus or defined goals (lack / misuse of Ni) which lead to insecurity (which i could see being explored on the meager chance Elio is the breakup route and he goes back home)

I believe Ni (intuitive connections, reflection on meaning and implications, generating visions of the future...) grip in Elio shows up in how clingy he is, probably as a consequence of some form of paranoia (misuse of Ni) (Bottom stack functions tend to be used as defense mechanisms) (Ni grip might come off as the person acting out of character, in here, him being so suddenly hit by a lack of confidence, and needing to be reassured through that clinginess) The best guess I can do right now is he has issues around emotional permanence, but it's a shot in the dark. Well, at least Ni grip in Se doms can show up as looking for meaning and/or purpose but in the wrong places.

Elio is shown as someone that will avoid confrontation and is described as one who holds grievances. There's failure, I feel, from his part to resolve negative feelings which push him to suppress. It looks like a case of Fi failing him. Despite that he's mostly empathetic, sensitive and displays emotional intelligence (has signs of healthy Fi expression) (he's good at calming down a situation where tension arises, cue mc and percy not getting along - and immediatly vouching for him, or easing down the discussion if mc calls him and percy out for getting distracted in the study room event).

Tertiary Te (imposes order and is about efficient behavior, pushes to make effective decisions based on data) loop is what happens when there's Auxiliary Fi resistance. Because Fi is the need for moral integrity and self acceptance, immature ExFPs can use Te to distance from it. It can show up as burying negative feelings under coarse expressions of power (like Elio did in the breakup!percy comic I made), self-image problems or insecurity (which Elio display). The grievance thing makes me think Elio might show to be quite vindictive which is another sign of Te loop. I personally hc he's the possessive LI, which would align with the fact being territorial / domineering is a common unhealthy tertiary Te trait.

Funnily I think his reading of Reynah can both be read as an expression healthy Fi yet a Te loop tendency. It's both him understanding where people could not like her (getting her flaws, her shortcomings) but it's also him believing critical judgement to be objective. There's the expectation in what he says for Reynah to meet him on his ground (for her to talk) the way Deja does, when that's not necessarily how getting closer to Reynah has to go.

Next I'll make both Percy and Rhys' type analysis since they're both ISTP

[mr-rimoman]

bakon_surviver's character sheet

username: bakon_surviver

name: bakon surviver

age: around 14-16 i really should keep track but i dont even know when im even older at this point

birthday:

may 12th (although i dont plan for any birthday parties nor bakon to grow up yet)

gender: male

sexuality: aroace since he is too childish to acknowledge the concept of love (this will probably change to straight later on when he stops being like that)

height: 5'0 (technically 4'12)

species: robloxian

race: bacon hair YES THAT MEANS IM NOT ACTUALLY RELATED TO EVERY BACON HAIR,IM ONLY RELATED TO THE PEOPLE IN THE SURVIVER CLAN

text color: orange

mbti: enfp or esfp

perfered weapon of choice/weapons:

bakon uses the knife he used to kill the immortal killing monster he also has a time dagger lodged in his house somewhere and prob will get it when i finally decide to finish bakon's childhood home, bakon also likes to use guns but he shouldn't be trusted with them (its gonna become nerf or nothing kind of situation)

likes:

sodas, milkshakes, hotsauce i quitted that, escapism, games, non-problamatic parties and being around the people he considers his friends and best friends, other childish things/activities

dislikes: being tortured by mr rimoman, being reminded of the multiversal death loop thing (too be fair i think anyone would if they just got sent memories of every possible universe that just ends with them dying by the hands of rimo), house HE IS A WEIRDO, being reminded of the incidents, watching people especially the ones he cares about die, getting his hair eaten without his permission i dont care if its made out of food its still my hair :(

personality: is akin to that of a child but thats because he suffers from voluntary age reggresion due to him wanting to "unwind" his stress that has built up. he tends to pretend everything will be ok and that he believe it will be fine and due to that he has the personal flaw of seeing good in others and being barely able to tell the bad which makes him give all his trust and respect, there are some exceptions to that but thats the more obvious bad guys. bakon also tends to believe everyone is either his friend or best friend (depends on how close he thinks he is with them)

disorders:

PTSD, BPD, survivors guilt, schizophrenia, drug addiction thats not a disorder and im not addicted to hotsauce anymore stop mentioning it whoever is making this thing >:(

abilities/powers:

surviver clan's immortality

this allows bakon to regenerate infinitely and helps him survive any biological attack (and immunity system level ones too) but because of how young bakon is his regen and other benifits stated above are more slower, if he was older it would be faster and more potent

this immortality also bounds the soul to the body meaning if someone with this type of immortality were to die theoretically they would literally cease to exist and would both be incapable of being revived and be unable to go to an afterlife

buff modes

there are two buff modes bakon has

he has the un-named buff mode

than there is the named buff mode

unnamed buff mode is bakon but buff

and named buff mode is more buffer its also the current maximum o bakon's strength and techinically his "true form" since his base form is just him with compressed and condensed muscles and if your wondering why he didnt use that form against the immortal killing monster, bakon was both scared and completely forgotten about that form since it was the whole situation was like a quicktime event for him also bakon is used to not using buff form so there's that

opinions (technically a trust level but bakon is too optimistic of people as mentioned)

star

my best friend although she has hurt me a few times but i think its because they care for me :D

Asa

also my best friend they help me stop drinking the hotsauce and they're very fun to be around!

lenora

very cool she got me my passion for hotsauce before i quitted it

john the frog

THE COOOLEST FROG TO MAN, HE IS AN ABSOLUTE BEST TO BE AROUND IF A BEST BEST FRIEND IS A THING ID CALL HIM THAT, HE IS SOOOOOO COOL ^[]^

house

...he is a weirdo

Mr Rimoman

he is my friend but im kinda doubting that now, he keeps claiming he is "the seven deadly sins incarnated" but like when i first met him he was pretty kind hearted so i doubt his words have meaning even jaclk agrees with me on this

lego jaclk

he is very cool, i mean he reached master builder rank how is that not cool?

max godspeed

im starting to get used to him but he sometimes makes me uncomfortable especially what he did to lenora..

jaws

she is very great to be around :D

doctorwhofan/unpleasent

they're cool but they keep attempting to eat my hair, i'm sure i'd have fun talking to her in a distance :D

Cato

a pretty cool friend i think they're pretty chill compared to everyone

Fallen surviver

he's my cousin and he's like an older brother to me! but dont tell him i said that he cried the last time i said that to him

shirou

they're my best friend and im here if incase of any help although i am starting to notice he kinda forgot about me for a bit..but hey some people are like that!

trampolinefan

he is very cool im a fan of him :D but he did crush stars head and star is my best friend so i dunno what to say

daisy bell

bakon views them as a best friend like how he views some of the other main casts but has the least interactions with them

aculia

same with daisy

zailyn

she's really cool!

grat

he is like one of the most coolest guys i've met :D

quepa

no comment i dont know what my opinion on him is

Ebro4

he pretty cool! although recently me and some of my best friends got shot up by his gang thankfully no one died :D

Ebro5

he seems pretty cool as well kinda like his father! i feel bad that his birthday party got inturrupted with a shooting though-

EgDog

my adopted son awwww he so cute i could pet him and give him huggs all day

Nora

she is my best friend by the way did you know she also adopted the egg dog too! nora is really cool and i gotta say she is one of the most chillest people i've met alongside cato aswell :D

backstory/lore:

back when bakon was five years old his dad worked as a scientist in a lab, one day a immortal killing monster the lab had created broke out and seeked vengence against the scientists but it escaped the lab before it could do that, bakon's dad wanted to get bakon down stairs so he can get bakon to do some chores but the moment he did the monster came bursting out catching his dad off guard and brutally mauling him to death (it was quite graphic) the monster was gonna go after bakon but his mom came in time and used herself as a human shield resulting with her also being mauled to death, in the end it was only bakon left of which the monster attempts to maul him two but bakon manages to get it to back off albeit bakon is injured due to his attempt at blocking the monsters attack, this allowed the monster to attempt to stun bakon down with a tackle but he dodged it and grabbed a kitchen knife and after a whole entire battle, bakon wins but heavily injured and scarred both mentally and physically. bakon then has to bury both the monster and his parents in the back yard of which he obviously was crying but due to his imagination and him not having a clear memory of the event bakon belives it was raining making him associate the rain with bad events and caused him to hate it. after burying his parents bakon had to survive on his own and within three years he has completely changed as he became more serious and had an adult-like mindset and behavior and being more mature, he also was more morally grey as he started to resort to stealing the wallets of the random people that picked fights with him but eventually one day he met Mr rimoman whom claimed to know his dead father and gave him the promise of a better life in a better world only if bakon temporarily became rimoman's "eyes" of which bakon accepting out of the fact he didnt want to continue to be like the way he was, rimo also used the blue pheonix that was next to him to heal up the scars bakon had and after bakon was sent to other worlds and dimensions outside of robloxia and he truly felt freedom for the first time and he was like an injured cat warming up to the world finally trusting people again and this eventually resulted with bakon age reggressing to finally have the childhood he had lost all those three years that was taken away from him and not only that but he got a house other than his childhood home he can't return back to for some reason that house being in the cross side where he also was introduced to lego jaclk and some of the other people there but then one day rimo finally cracked, for he kinda somewhat saw himself in bakon and he hated it he hated it so much that one the day he cracked his little "mask" and it broke, he started to self-project his self hatred on bakon whether that be physical or mental it continued and throughout all of that bakon believed and still believed rimo is fine and he will get better and that he is a good person at heart just a bit hateful towards himself, but sometimes bakon belived some things rimoman had said as it was some what the truth, eventually rimo had stop using bakon as his "eyes" and yet his behavior towards bakon worsen and instead of self-projecting bakon he is now been just sadistic towards him, treating bakon as a pawn. one day bakon finally figured out how to dimension hop and travel without the help of rimoman and with that he figured out how to he never was able to return back to his childhood home ꩇׁׅ݊ιռᦔ𝔰ɔʌ℘ꫀׁׅܻ of which he currently lives in although robloxia is a tad bit missing some things like the outside

fun facts:

the reason why bakon doesn't have a exact age is due to the fact he keeps going to places with completely seperate points in time, yes he does age yet its only outside of ɧι𝔰 ꩇׁׅ݊ꫀׁׅܻꩇׁׅ݊✧᥅y𝔰ɔʌ℘ꫀׁׅܻ bakon's childhood home

bakon is broke at the moment because he spent all his tix on a suit he only has 9 tix at the moment

bakon has a missing poster of himself after his parents death since the status of his parents and himself was "disappearing under mysterious circumstances" despite the neighbors being aware of the truth, he was fully a missing person though when he left robloxia as the neighbors barely know of the events of what happened

if bakon never accepted rimoman's deal he probably would've became a mafia boss

bakon's growth:

voice claim:

songs/theme songs:

[claudaze]

━━━𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗠𝗘 Ი︵𐑼

ㅤ★. claud or clau, 9teen, ♑ .esfp

ㅤ★. filo ( 🇵🇭 ) – chi ( 🇨🇳 ), she / her !!

ㅤ★. psych major — which means yes, i do psychoanalyze ( non ) fictional characters instead of myself. #coping

ㅤ★. i’m a multistan with too much love in my heart :3

ㅤ nct ( all units <3 ), riize 𖹭 sohee, svt 𖹭 hoshi, bnd 𖹭 leehan , p1h 𖹭 jiung, nd more !! i love them all like they pay my bills

ㅤ★. hobbies and stuff

☆ㅤ i play guitar, write ( a lot ), and play badminton when i wanna feel sporty ☆ㅤ i want to be a reader but movies js hit different sorry (ᵕ—ᴗ—) ☆ㅤ love love love watching kdramas, cdramas, animes, and HORROR MOVIES. ☆ㅤ talk to me ab cinematography or sad OSTs and i’ll fall in love w u instantly

ㅤ★. silly personal facts ( + favs !! )

☆ㅤ currently powered by 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗺𝗲 by wayv on loop ☆ㅤ i romanticize everything. even brushing my teeth ☆ㅤ i’m friendly & sweet i promise !! i just glitch sometimes ㅤ ㅤwhen sum1 talks to me + i get shy out of nowhere like ㅤ ㅤpls i was just yapping two minutes ago ☆ㅤ i have so much to say but occasionally forget how to speak altogether lol ☆ㅤ kun lives in my brain rent-free and i'm okay with that

☆ㅤ fav comfort food ⋮ samanco or literally anything spicy ☆ㅤ fav animal ⋮ cats that look like they pay taxes

ㅤㅤ basically, that’s it lol. plzs don’t be shy to reach out for whatever — asks, reqs, or just to be friends ! i’m mostly sweet but fair warning: i do bite, like, gently.. maybe. 😋

[personality-corner]

How to Avoid Mistyping

I’ve actually wanted to make a post like this for a while, I just hadn’t really gotten to it yet. Here’s how to know if you’re mistyping a character.

Mistyping vs. A Differing Opinion

When it comes to fictional characters, a lot of it comes down to interpretation, which means there will always be a level of differing opinions when typing a character. However, I do think it’s undoubtable that some types don’t fit characters at all.

At the end of the day, it comes down to argument. Does your argument make sense? Is it understandable to those who aren’t inside your mind? Is it obviously biased.

And here’s the thing- everyone has bad arguments. I’ve had bad arguments, even on this page. However, I am making this post, to maybe help people to think more critically about their arguments.

Are you grasping at straws trying to defend your opinion?

Honestly, this is a good sign that you are mistyping a character. Does it feel like you are trying way too hard to defend your typing of a character, like you can’t come up with any good arguments for it?

This could mean one of two things; you need to rewatch or reread the material you’re typing from or you need to consider a different type for them. Now, I would definitely rewatch or reread said thing first, because there have definitely been times I thought I was mistyping a character when in reality, I just didn’t remember enough about a character to type them appropriately.

But you should at least consider the fact that you’re mistyping a character if you’re struggling to construct an argument.

“This type would not do that!”

I do think there are times when this is appropriate, for example, when discussing a character’s actions, saying “this character’s interest in their environment really gives more Se than Ne.” However whenever I hear XXXX would never do that! It grinds my gears.

Usually, when people say this, it’s highly stereotypical, because technically speaking, each type is capable of anything… it’s why they’re doing it, what’s going on in their head that matters. Now is it unlikely for, say, an Si dom to make impulsive decisions? Perhaps, but it’s not that they can’t. In fact, some of the ISTJs I’ve typed have made very impulsive decisions when their Te or Fi kicked in.

Using your personal relatability to a character to determine their type.

Now this one, out of everything on here kind of annoys me the most. Now, there is nothing wrong with relating to a character and considering the type for them. However your relatability to them also cannot be your only argument to why they fit that type, because you don’t have to be the same type as that character to relate to them.

I’m an INTP, and there are plenty of ISTJ, INFP, ISTP, hell even ESFP characters I relate to. I also don’t think I’ve ever, at least not since starting this blog, have typed a character INTP solely because I find them relatable… in fact, it’s the second to last most typed on this blog.

Have you considered other possibilities for this character?

Typically, unless I’m really sure about a character’s type, I’ll consider at least a few types before deciding on one. I’ll keep these types in mind when watching something, and sometimes will decide on something completely different.

Obviously, you don’t have to do this, everyone’s system of typing is different, but the important thing is, don’t be so fixated on a particular type for a character that you refuse to see or listen to any other argument regarding them.

Don’t automatically assume a character is in a loop or a grip when you type them.

Now, saying a character is in a loop or a grip is not inherently wrong per se- but I will say, that I often see people use this to avoid typing characters certain types.

I have a post I’m working about on loops and grips, but I will say that if you can’t legitimize why a character wouldn’t be that type, even at their healthiest, it’s probably not a good type for them.

[radiokathryn-if]

oooh what mbti are the RO's? (nate gives me ENTP vibes and ISFP for eva tbh)

at the risk of sounding out of the loop, I'm really not well versed in the mbti types at all lmao. from a very quick google search and not nearly enough research here we go! if anyone else has a better grasp on mbti types and has a different insight please let me know!! I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Nate──ESFP, The Entertainer

Eva──ISFP, The Adventurer

Mica──INFP, The Mediator

Detective Han──ENTJ, The Commander or ISTJ, The Logistician.

José──ENFP, The Campaigner or ESFJ, The Consul

Ji Han──ISFJ, The Defender or ESTP, The Entrepreneur

Fauve──INTJ, The Architect

Jackson──ENTP, The Debater

???──INFJ, The Advocate

[mbti-sorted]

Hi, I realize you're not here to play mbti-counselor (or are you?) but I'm kind of stuck; I could swear that I'm a Fi user and Ti user, but that isn't possible. Could you offer any advice on how to figure it out? How do you understand Fi and Fe, and Ti and Te? Is there a type that presents, due to function order or a loop like they have both? Thanks for any help, and your time, and this amazing tumblr - I've learned so much ... ironically I can type other people quite well now.

These are Dario Nardi's definitions:

- EXTRAVERTED FEELING (Fe) - “Evaluate and communicate values to enhance social relationships.”

Attend keenly to how others judge them. Quickly adjust behaviour for social harmony. Like to use adjectives to convey values. The true degree of their emotional response about morals/ethics is often held back and given only in words or ideas. May be easily coerced or embarrassed.

MAINLY ESFJ, ENFJ. ALSO ISFJ, INFJ.

- INTROVERTED FEELING (Fi) - “Listen with your whole self to locate and support what’s important.”

Evaluate personal importance along a spectrum from love/like to dislike/hate. Use their whole brain to listen to others. Attentive and curious for what is not said. Focus on word choice and voice tone. Hard to embarrass. Can respond strongly to specific, high-value words. May not utilise feedback.

MAINLY ISFP, INFP. ALSO ESFP, ENFP.

- EXTRAVERTED THINKING (Te) - “Manage resources efficiently to quickly decide based on the evidence.”

Highly efficient use of brain resources. Focus on word content, recall facts and figures, see and manipulate images, and then decide. Adept at giving decisive explanations. Tend to utilise other brain regions only when those regions are truly needed. May display confidence even when wrong.

MAINLY ESTJ, ENTJ. ALSO ISTJ, INTJ.

- INTROVERTED THINKING (Ti) - “Reason multiple ways to objectively and accurately analyse problems.”

Rely on interior regions of neocortex. Adept at deductive reasoning, defining and categorising, weighing odds and risks, and/or navigating spaces. Can shut out senses to think. Tend to back-track to clarify thoughts. Separate body from mind when arguing or analysing. May quickly stop listening.

MAINLY ISTP, INTP. ALSO ESTP, ENTP.

I don't particularly type by functions, just how it shows up in physical behaviour - I find that people with Ti (not me!) are better at picking theirs out. You can try the suggestions in this post.

[funkymbtifiction]

Ben-Hur: Judah Ben-Hur [ESFP 2w1]

MBTI Type: ESFP ESFPs are confident in taking direct action, but not always aware of the consequences of their momentary decisions. When they loop out of their emotions, they can become callous and driven to accomplish a goal—which is what Judah feels throughout the second half of this film, as he intends to make his “brother” pay for what he has done to the Hur family. Opportunistic and good at…

[delightfullygrace]

Connor Murphy

Dear Evan Hansen • ESFP • In the Grip

"An ESFP in a rut will revert to their introverted intuition. This normally happy-go-lucky type will turn their vision to the future and may get lost imagining negative courses of action that could develop. They may become crippled by self-doubt and adopt a cynical viewpoint toward others. This normally warm and enthusiastic type is apt to developing a ‘short fuse’ while operating from their inferior function and may lash out at others – imagining a sinister ‘hidden meaning’ behind everything others say and do."

- Heidi Priebe

Symptoms of the Grip in an ESFP:

• Jumping to conclusions

• Believing the worst in people's intentions

• Emotional outbursts

• Feeling lost within themselves; hopeless; alone

• Sensitive to what others say/do to them

I.E.

Jared: "Hey, Connor. I’m loving the new hair length. Very school shooter chic."

Connor turns and glares at Jared, who is unphased by this. Evan is clearly uncomfortable.

Jared: "Calm down, bud. It was a joke."

Connor: (deadpan) "Yeah no, it was funny. I’m laughing. Can’t you tell? Am I not laughing hard enough for you?"

Jared: (walking away, shaking his head) "God, you’re such a freak."

Connor now turns his attention to Evan who is forced into eye-contact. There is no one else in the hall (that we can see). Evan doesn’t know what to do, so he laughs.

Connor: "What are you laughing at?"

Evan: (freezing up) "What?"

Connor: "Stop f***ing laughing at me!"

Evan: (his palms becoming sweaty) "I’m not."

Connor: "You think I’m a freak?"

Connor steps towards Evan.

Evan: "No, I don’t-"

Connor: "I’m not the freak!"

Connor is in Evan’s face.

Evan: "But I wasn’t-"

Connor: "You’re the f***ing freak!"

Connor shoves Evan into the lockers and storms off.

- Script

Connor: "Is this yours? I found it at the printer. 'Dear Evan Hansen?' That’s your name, right?"

Evan: "Oh, that’s just a stupid, it’s a paper I had to write for an, um...assignment."

Connor: “'Because there’s Zoe.' ...This is about my sister."

Evan: "No, no, no..."

Connor: "You knew I would find this."

Evan: "What?"

Connor: "You saw that I was the only other person in the computer lab, so you wrote this, and you printed it out, so that I would find it."

Evan: "Why/ would I do that?"

Connor: "/So I would read some creepy **** that you wrote about my sister and freak out, right? And then you can tell everyone that I’m crazy, right?"

Evan: "No, wait. I don’t even...what?"

Connor: (furious) "F*** you!"

Connor charges past Evan, leaving him calling after him

- Script

Trying to Escape the Grip:

"To break out of a rut, the ESFP needs to engage their extroverted sensing. They will need a new situation, adventure or group of people to help them remember that they think best on their feet, when directly engaged with the world around them. This type requires a great deal of external stimulation to feel healthy and happy – they are the most themselves when they are constantly engaged with new people and projects."

- Heidi Priebe

I.E.

Connor realizes he has an opportunity to talk to someone and walks over to the printers

Connor: "So, uh, what happened to your arm?"

Evan: "Oh, I um. I fell out of a tree."

Connor: (laughing) "You fell out of a tree?"

Evan nods and Connor sits down next to him. He is holding a paper in his hand.

Connor: (still laughing) "Well, if that isn’t the saddest f***ing thing I’ve ever heard."

Evan: (faking a laugh) "I know."

Connor: (pointing to Evan’s cast) "No one’s signed your cast?"

Evan: "Nope."

Connor: "I will."

Evan: "Oh, you don’t have to…"

Connor: "Ya got a Sharpie?"

Evan reluctantly hands over his sharpie. Connor grabs Evan’s arm roughly, Evan winces. Close-up on Evan’s cast as Connor writes his name in massive letters across it. Evan isn’t too happy about this. He stands up.

Evan: "Oh. Great. Thanks."

Connor: "Now we can both pretend that we have friends."

Evan: "Heh, sure."

- Script

Se-Te Loop:

"An ESFP in an Se-Te loop becomes overly concerned with 'doing' all of the time, unable to let themselves stop to take a break. They become forceful, aggressive, insistent upon taking action whether or not it hurts those around them or fulfills their inner sense of duty. They dismiss their necessary stage of stopping to reflect on whether their choices are in line with their values, instead shutting off this voice and focusing on outward manifestations of logic and planning."

- @infj-mbti

Symptoms of a Loop:

• Aggressive Behavior

• Giving In to Impulses

• Disregarding Others

• Ignoring their Moral-Compass (Fi)

I.E.

"Just because Connor isn’t here, trying to punch through my door, screaming at the top of his lungs that he’s going to kill me for no reason—that doesn’t mean that, all of a sudden, we’re the f***ing Brady Bunch."

-Zoe Murphy

Personal Thoughts:

I think Connor is an ESFP who tried to reach out to others, but when no one reached back, just sunk deeper into the grip. I think for awhile growing up (prior to the events in the play), he might've been in a loop.

From Cynthia, we learn that he got clothes to go Bar Mitzvahs (but was never invited to any). I'm sure that the idea of going was exciting to him and he enjoyed looking for an outfit, even if he played it off. From his mom's positive testimony of him in Requiem and throughout the rest of the play, I feel like he did have a connection with her. I don't think that her view of him is only there because she's his mom - I think they genuinely had an understanding, even if they got frustrated with each other sometimes. He probably just put up walls with her - walls that she patiently waited for him to take down, but never did.

Larry "gave him the world," but he gave his own world, not a world that Connor wanted. He didn't meet his son where he was. I'm sure he wanted to hang out with his dad and connect with him, but maybe he wasn't into baseball (or skiing or whatever else his dad pushed him to do). Larry decided, even when Connor was still there, that he wasn't worth investing in because he wouldn't listen anyways. The connection was dead because his dad didn't seek to break down his walls. He saw them and assumed that's all there was.

Zoe saw him as a villain, and for good reason. From what we learn of his time with her, he treated her terribly. He pushed her away. He threatened her. He scared her. Of course she didn't seek him out, why would she? She was forced to protect herself from the monster beating on her door every night. How could she break down his walls when she was building up her own?

Jared joked about him looking like a school shooter and called him a freak, and probably never considered actually trying to befriend him.

Evan was terrified of him. *Though, I would like to point out that Connor probably never got to sign someone's cast before - Evan was probably the first. They could've had a genuine connection after that had Connor listened to Evan explain the letter rather than jumping to conclusions and storming off.

The script says, "Some people [in the school halllway] point at him and snicker. Unlike Evan, Connor makes deliberate eye-contact with these students, making them uncomfortable."

He was hurt. He was alone. He could seek out new experiences and new people all he wanted, but if no one else was receptive, then he would never be satisfied. He wanted a connection with someone, anyone, to pull him out of the grip, but at the end of the day, he felt completely isolated.

But he wasn't, and you're not. If you're feeling stuck or isolated, anxious or depressed, please let a friend/family member know or check out this link and call one of the numbers. Seriously. You were created for a purpose. Your existence matters. You matter, just as you are. Please don't forget that, and get yourself the help that you need!!

Also, even if you don't have clinical depression, you should still reach out to those around you. Sometimes, we all need someone. Don't justify not getting yourself the help you need just because others have it worse. My brother does that all the time. It's not selfish to need support. Reach out. It's okay.

Additionally:

By the time we come to meet Connor, he is so deep in this rut that in order to have a relationship with anyone, he would need someone to seek him out fiercely and intentionally - to toss a rope into the hole Connor was in and pull him out. He needed a friend who would call him out and tell him he needed to calm down, but also someone who would support and encourage him. More than anything, he just needed someone who was willing to try and wasn't going to give up on him.

If you see someone who needs that too, please, be that person for them. Even if you have problems of your own - it doesn't matter. Two horses can pull 3 times the amount than one can alone. You can bear each others' burdens and walk together. It makes it a lot easier. It'll be difficult to step out of your comfort zone and reach out to someone else, but I promise you, it's the most worthwhile experience in the world.

[rainytypology]

INTJ Ni - Fi Loop

Explanation on an MBTI loop. Not an expert. May change later.

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Loops in MBTI occurs when a type begins to cycle between their dominant and tertiary function, completely ignoring the auxiliary and inferior. This is mainly caused from stress and can be continous until finally broken.

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INTJ function stack: Ni - Te - Fi - Se

In a Ni - Fi loop, INTJ becomes out of touch with their external functions (Te and Se). They become so internalized and warped in their emotions (Fi) that they forget to take the time to think things through. They make emotionally negative assumptions and are convinced their guesses are right. Very irrational and insecure, self centered behaviour.

E.g INTJ in a loop may think their friend dislikes them as their friend is not talking to them much. INTJ may think "oh they hate me now, they don't want to be friends anymore, they think I'm annoying" etc. However, a normally functioning INTJ would use their external functions to realize that their friend has been busy and therefore very tired. And when people are tired, of course they are not going to be the most energetic and talkative. Especially if it's a face to face interaction, INTJ would have to use Se to spot the visible signs of stress on their friend (dark circles, eyebags, overall looking dejected, etc). Ni - Fi loop will disregard this easy step and just make it all about INTJ's hurt feelings.

To get out of this loop, an INTJ should try to use their external functions little by little. Start working on things they need to do and finish a task or two to make their aux Te function normally again. For Se, take a walk, stretch, engage in something physical so they can get out of their mind.

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MBTI Notes

[faeiapalette]

Someone sent asks about Laito RIGHT WHEN i was thinking about how the ENFJ consensus makes more sense than INFJ, overall…

But first i’ll have to deal with the previous asks first, the requests are stocking up 🛐

[nekuz]

forced conclusion: estp in Ti Ni loop (?) or just excessive use of Ti. that makes the most sense what with the way i continually come to a conclusion only to reanalyze it and find inconsistencies from seemingly nowhere lol anyways if any of u sense me thinking abt typology again burn me at the stake before i really do go insane this time

[personality-corner]

Shameless MBTI

I would add the full typings, but this hellsite won’t let me add links to the typings.

Frank Gallagher - ENFP

Frank is always coming up with bizarre ideas, such as opening a homeless shelter, or calling DCFS on his children, that he never intends to see through. There is rarely any set of logic associated towards it, and more often than not, he uses his emotions to inspire his ideas- and get what he wants.

Fiona Gallagher - ISFP

While she does care about her siblings, her personal values and the fact that she does love her siblings is why she takes care of them. She rarely does something because the group as a whole feels it’s necessary, but because she feels it’s necessary. She is also quite impulsive in the decisions she makes, which causes her and others to be hurt in the end.

Lip Gallagher - ESTP

Lip is very impulsive in many of decisions and tends to follow his own rules, for the most part. He constantly gets into arguments with Fiona over the logic she presents to him, and how it makes no sense. A lot of the times, he just refuses to follow her rules. He makes decisions that he feels is logical, which puts him at odds with several members of the family.

Ian Gallagher - ISTP

Ian, when he’s healthy, often acts as the voice of reason in a lot of situations, especially towards Fiona, Lip, Mickey etc. He is often the one who is able to see the world around him and yet, come to his own conclusions about how things logically make sense.

Debbie Gallagher - ESFJ

One thing that has remained consistent in Debbie’s character, throughout all eleven seasons, is her need for emotional connection with others. We see this with her relationship with Frank, in earlier seasons. Her relationship with her fears, and even her relationship with her own daughter. This, and her unhealthy connection with the past causes most of her issues in the final season.

Carl Gallagher - ESFP

For the first half of the series, Carl is stuck in an Se-Te loop, where he just does things for the sake of it. Does “experiments” with his environment, not really caring who or what he hurts in the process. However, as he grows as a character, we see his Fi a lot more, when he stops ignoring it. His moral compass, which was non existent the first few seasons, is now a huge part of his character.

Liam Gallagher - INTP

Liam is very intelligent, and interested in knowledge for the sake of better understanding the world around him. He is constantly questioning the logic of the world around him, and has the idealist need to see the good in everyone, including Frank. He constantly sees multiple ideas in a situation and is able to come to his own conclusions about things.

Mickey Milkovich - ENTJ

Mickey has a very clear view of what he wants and how to get it most of it, and relies on information he has gotten from his family to get it. That being said, he struggles with emotions and showing them to other people, the only person who has ever really seen his emotional side being Ian, and he is definitely one of the few people he defends willingly no matter what.

Veronica “V” Fisher - ESTJ

Veronica, as a Te user surrounded mainly by strong Fi users (Fiona and Kev), V is always the one who has to be the voice of reason and lay down the law. She has a strong sense of right and wrong, coming mainly from her inferior Fi, and often uses past experiences to point out the flaws in certain arguments.

Kevin “Kev” Ball - ESFP

Kev is very impulsive at times, not really thinking through decisions before he makes them, and his decisions tend to be spur of the moment, and based on his own decisions. He struggles to think through things he does, and usually doesn’t realize the flaws in some of his decisions until after he talks to V.

[random-esfp]

La excesiva necesidad de ser libre de Eren Jaeger (SNK) se debe a su unhealthy Fi o Ni? (o el eneagrama 6 contrafobico?) Me gustaría si puedes explicarlo :)

Mira te desgloso a Eren resumidamente:

La excesiva necesidad de ser libre es Fi dominante, lo que haces para conseguirlo es lo que determina si eres más o menos healthy.

Ni entra en loop con Fi cuando Eren empieza a tener una visión distorsionada del mundo, su objetivo, tu deber etc. Fi-Ni provoca una "visión túnel" en la que solo ve lo que él quiere ver. Se combina Fi (quiero ser libre para hacer lo que me de la gana a toda costa) + Ni (tengo que conseguir que el mundo sea así como me he propuesto) y claro, pasa lo que pasa. No escucha a nadie más y además es propenso a desarrollar cierta paranoia.

cp6 es lo que le hace ir directamente contra todo lo que en realidad le aterra (los titanes primero, y después Marley etc). Llega un punto que para mí, Eren está como "narcotizado", hace las cosas como en piloto automático, por "deber" y porque si él demuestra que es fuerte y no tiene miedo, entonces no lo tendrá, por eso arrasa con todo.

[typhoulogy]

Dom-Tert Loops and Antagonism

Personal observation: dom-tert loops in types seem to produce antagonism towards other people and/or events.

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Dominant and tertiary function loop is characterised by using one’s tertiary function in preference to auxiliary function. Auxiliary function is known to be the source (and direction) of growth for every type, which means that its use can be as illuminating, as it can be challenging and uncomfortable. In other words, auxiliary function is there to advise dominant function: whether in taking in (for T/F dominants), or in providing feedback (for S/N dominants). 

However, instead of heeding constructive feedback, it is easier to opt for the path of least resistance: by resisting auxiliary function in favour of tertiary function. In this situation, tertiary function serves dominant function by selectively gathering ego-protective information, or by selectively choosing which rationales or beliefs to emphasise to defend against auxiliary function’s good advice.

Do it often enough and you’ll become “the bad guy,” or an antagonist. (Funnily enough, this is how some villains are born.) 

Causes behind looping:

Inability to cope with stress

Inability to express one’s true self

Suffering from trauma or abuse

Stunted psychological development

Suffering from mental disorder or emotional maladjustment 

Thus dom-tert loop induced antagonism manifests as excessively defensive, avoidant, judgemental behaviour that is largely unresponsive to constructive feedback.

Impenetrability persists as long as an individual prefers only one type of feedback: that of the tertiary function. As such, a looping individual can easily feel justified in their defensiveness because they do seek out “evidence” for their stances, but they do so selectively. And yet, if one continues to (A) suffer, and (B) to dismiss rational/good advice that does not “apply” to them, one can rest assure that they are walking down the wrong path, however “justified” they feel in their antagonism.

What are the consequences of not breaking the loop? Beyond day-to-day suffering and feeling as though the same problems plague one no matter what one does, a looping individual slowly chips away at their own self-esteem, they waste their time and energy that could be used to nurture one’s potential, they risk facing a lifetime of blown chances and regrets, and eventually become the person they thought they could never be.

Yikes.

So what’s a way out? Open up to people, new perspectives, new opportunities, new ways of being. Respond to the nagging feeling inside of you. Whether it feels weird, stupid or lame, whether it feels too difficult and challenging, whether it is scary or strokes your insecurities about being exposed as undesirable or inferior, do it anyway. Nothing shuts up the chatter in your head that wants guarantees better than accepting the ambiguity of unknown and taking the first step. And I mean literally.

What happens then? Magic will hit you like a truck. 

[funkymbtifiction]

How do esfps act under stress? What do they do?

Usually they fall into tert-Te behaviors, which include becoming dictators, taking over situations and managing them like an angry boss, criticizing others for being ineffectual, disorganized, lazy, not-factual, or stupid, or feeling an intense need to get a move on things, causing them to leap on anything they feel will reach a goal sooner, often without pausing to consider whether it will profit in the long term.

- ENFP Mod