#hades and lore

[miss-i-know-it-all]

Why Hades and Persephone's marriage is actually not a love story (and why Demeter is the real feminist symbole and a very good mother)

This subject has been studied again and again and again, but I want to do it to. So to be clear :

No, Hades and Persephone are not romantic, a couple goal or I don't know what.

In no antic version of the myth you will find a Persephone who was willing to leave her mother and the mortal realm to live with Hades in the Underworld to escape her toxic mother.

This myth was not supposed to be romanticized.

We can't tell with exactitude if the myth was supposed to criticize the way young girls were taken away from their mother to be married of, resulting in them not seing a lot their mother after that, even if it's plausible, making almost all the retellings nowadays even more weird and far from the original source. But come on, look at the myth and tell me it is a love story.

For those who don't know the myth was :

One day, Hades came to see Zeus and asked him the hand of Persephone. Zeus knew if he agreed, Demeter would be furious, but if he disagreed, Hades would be the one pissed of, so he said "It's not my attribution to give you Persephone" or something like that. So Hades though it would be a good idea to kidnap Persephone. Persephone, the young daughter of Demeter (sometimes she has no father, sometimes it's Zeus her father), was minding her own business with a group of nymphs in a field, when suddenly the earth opened and she was kidnapped and led to the underworld. The nymphs alerted Demeter, who was doing her agriculture goddess job. Demeter, absolutely destroyed by this information, decided to find the person who had kidnapped her daughter. Hecate, the goddess of magic, shadows and other dark things, said she had heard screams and came to the rescue of Persephone, but when she arrived in the field, it was to late. Demeter searched 9 days and 9 nights, and on the 10th day, she arrived in a city, when she was greeted by the king and the queen. Things happened, but that's not the most important now. When she left, two shepherd said the day of the kidnapping, earth opened before them, swallowing some of their animals, and then they say a chariot led by black horses going to the underworld by this breach. They didn't see who was leading the chariot, but they did saw a young girl screaming in the chariot. (Notice how she was not described as happy or relieved, but screaming and sometimes crying.) So Demeter decided to ask Helios, the Sun. He explained her what happened, because he had saw everything since he was shining in the sky. Demeter was so furious against Zeus and Hadès she decided to make all the soils infertile. It was an eternal winter for the Greeks. Zeus tried to send messengers to calm her, but she refused. So he sent Hermes, who is also part chthonian, in the Underworld to bring back Persephone. The only condition was that she must have not eaten anything in the Underworld, but just before she left, she was tricked into eating a few seeds of a pomegranate. Because of that pomegranate, Persephone was doomed to spend half the year into the Underworld. It explains the cycle of the seasons : summer is when Persephone is with Demeter, autumn when Demeter knows she's leaving, winter when Demeter is in the deepest loneliness, missing her daughter, and spring when she knows she's coming back.

This is the original myth. Maybe a few details change depending on the period and the location of the myth, but you will not find a version where Persephone purposely leaves the mortal realm before the 21st century. It is a modern retelling that goes against everything the original myth was saying, for the sake of a supposed romance that is just glorified abuse.

Yes I'm looking at you Lore Olympus.

This comic was the beginning of the end for the myth, let's be honest. It shaped so much people's vision of Greek mythology in a way so inaccurate it hurts me. It led to (mainly) a huge mischaracterization of the gods.

First of all, Persephone. It is true we don't learn a lot about her in the myth, I'll give you that. The only things we know for sure is that she's the goddess of spring and that she was not happy to leave with Hades. And this is what people forget too easily. It is even said that she stopped crying the moment Hermes told her she could go back to the Mortal Realm, but before she was in tear non-stop. And saying the opposite is not understanding the myth and it's message on a level that requires you to have an empty skull.

So I ask you : where do you see her happy to leave to the Underworld and in love with Hades ?

This leads us to Hades.

(Side note before, because it bothers me too even if it's not really related to the point : Hades is not the god of death, but of the dead, king of the Underworld but also a god of fertility, because the roots of all the plants are in his realm.)

So Hades clearly didn't give a single fuck about Persephone's consent. He doesn't even care about her mother, Demeter was not aware of his "affection" for her daughter (and if she knew, she would have found a way to kill Hades). He just saw a young girl (his niece, which is weirdly normal in Greek mythology but completely messed up in any modern retelling), thought he wanted her and went to ask for the king of the gods to marry her because he's the king so his words are the truth. And even Zeus said he couldn't decide (i.e : the situation is so complicated the best solution is to not choose a side, even for the king of the gods). But this creep of Hades decided to take the girl (without her consente) despite the circumstances !

This guy is disgusting. And even the argument of "but he didn't cheat on her 🥺" isn't valid because he freaking kidnapped her ! Not cheating on her is the bare minimum, if you even dare to consider it !

And then we have Demeter.

People who don't like Demeter clearly need to be studied. Imagine your daughter has been kidnapped by your brother, who lives in a world with only dead people and almost no sun, when you know your daughter is the goddess of spring (the season when the sun comes back) and loves flower, and then you learn your other brother was aware of this shit before you, but he didn't tell you and didn't oppose himself even though he had the power to stop it all ? And then multiple gods come to tell you you're not reasonable because you decide to do everything possible to get back your daughter (ok, maybe punishing the humanity was extreme, but honestly, I can understand), and when you finally have you daughter back, you discover she can be with you only half a year, and she spends the other part with the creep ? And then people have the audacity to say you're a toxic mother ?

In which world Demeter was the bad guy of the story ? She did everything in her power to save her daughter, and even then, it wasn't enough. We should not hate her but applause her and cry for her, because she's the real heroes of this story and she's more of an icon you should admire than your pseudo-Persephone. But most important, she's an good mother. We cannot take that from her. She did what every good mother would have done, she went against all the gods of the greek pantheon, all by herself, and in the end, she would have won if it wasn't for the pomegranate. If it happened to me, I could only which my mother would do half the things she did.

(Here's the link to my introduction post)

[kurzler]

in my opinion, many modern greek retellings/stories inspired by greek mythology don't fail because they're inaccurate. they fail because they have nothing new to say.

i don't mind changes to the original myths, as long as they make sense and they have a narrative purpose! i understand that making changes is sometimes necessary to convey a certain narrative, especially to modern audiences.

is epic the musical mythologically accurate? hell no! but the changes serve to tell a specific story and to convey a certain message. also, epic the musical is self aware about its "inaccuracies". and the music just bangs.

is hadestown accurate? no! does it make the change that I always dread, removing the kidnapping from the hades/persephone myth? yeah. but hadestown is barely about them, and it uses greek mythology as a "narrative frame" to tell a certain story. it has a point. it has a message.

what are stories like lore olympus trying to say? what is the messagge of the hundredth persephone/hades retelling? what are we supposed to take from them? "don't listen to your mother she's a bitch"? "mothers are irrational and you should forsake her for a man"? very feminist.

why are we still doing the medusa "feminist" retellings? it's BEEN done. too many times. and they're ALL the same. it's a worse crime than being bad: they are boring.

i'm tired of retellings that are just "what if this very famous story was THE OPPOSITE and the protagonist was an ASSHOLE the whole time and the villain was MISUNDERSTOOD and the real VICTIM" okay but why. why would that be the case. what's the point of the story you want to tell. or do you just want to use shock value.

of course, i dislike retellings that are so different from the myth that they go AGAINST the spirit/message of the original, because in that case what's even the point of retelling the myth? just tell an original story. but i would take stabbed poseidon and capitalist hades any day over the same basic story of medusa being a girlboss or demeter being bad because of... reasons?

tl;dr: stop being unoriginal and tell a good story. or at least an entertaining one. i beg you

[wakinguponsaturday]

love the implication that the eagle is just as fed up with this arrangement as prometheus and now they've unionized

[aphrodicci]

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❦  asteroid persephone [399] i wanted to do something different with asteroid persephone, it has been interpreted before, but i wanted to take a different out look, persephone is known to be the goddess of sirens, she was accompanied by them before she was captured by hades to be his queen in the underworld.

♇ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 1H/ARIES ⟶ this asteroid in aries/1h shows that you are someone who could be pretty infatuated with sirens, and can have features thare are very pulling and enticing, could have a very specific feature on your face, very strong cheekbones as well. you could have a skill with singing, swimming or dancing, and people, particularly men could feel like they have an ownership over you. on the other hand, this is an indicator of being someone who attracts energy vampires.

♇ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 2H/TAURUS ⟶ could have a lovely voice, likes to listen to music and can be very talented with manifesting/praying. this placement does show that you could be someone who could be into sugar-daddies, nsfw audios and you might attract people who like to use you for your money or for what you have. people with this asteroid placement are considered to be very pretty, could have quite arched eyebrows, always looks like they're surprised or about to ask a question.

♇ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 3H/GEMINI ⟶ indicator of attracting liars or being the liar. could be interested in writing and researching sirens, might also attract stalkers who want to know everything about them. deceptive relatives, people who usually have something up their sleeve, could've been that one person in school people were attracted to and other people wondered why. might've had a teacher that was weird to them, native might've not realised during the time but realise it in the future.

♇ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 4H/CANCER ⟶ very beautiful people, people could find the need to help these people all the time, and to have this asteroid placement could imply that this person could have a really nice body. is a beacon of being very bitter and envious though, the type to want to have it all, or could have lovers or admirers who want them for a very long time, it could be hard for people to get over them. could have deceptive people in their family, or might've lived in an area where there was much water, or even bars.

♇ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 5H/LEO ⟶ indicator of being amazing dancers, nice bodies, backs and upper bodies. could be into remaining fit or being a better version of themselves. people with this asteroid placement have a high chance of being entertainers, they catch people's attention very quickly, but this can also make them pull in powerful people who usually have 2 motivations when it comes to the person with this placement. likely had a strange childhood.

♇ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 6H/VIRGO ⟶ people might want to do many things for this person, epitome of having people-pleasers around them, but they can be someone who likes to please other people, sexually, or with their entertainment talents. they can be someone who are likely stalked or preyed on by men, or just weird people in general, could like to have alone time and might like to sing and find ways to become a better version of themselves.

♱ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 7H/LIBRA ⟶ similar to the previous paragraph, these people might attract people who want to do everything for them. but since this asteroid is in the house of relationships, this could mean they could attract very dominating people, people who can sell a dream, and then show a completely different side to them after spending more time with said person. since this is a venusian home, specifically of style, this person could be into whimsy/mermaid-like clothing.

♱ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 8H/SCORPIO ⟶ easily has eyes on them, people watch what these people do all the time, could be very intuitive people as well. clairaudient is a theme for these people. might feel like people have it all for them as well, could be very fascinated with sirens and could like to swim. their voice could be very enchanting, especially their eyes, something about it sparkles or is very sharp, intimidates other people with their beauty and their essence, and because of this there's a lot of one-sided competition made with native who have this placement.

♱ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 9H/SAGITTARIUS ⟶ people might want to listen to their advice all the time, what they say is literally the holy book to other people. on one hand, this can manifest into a circumstance where people want to use their beliefs on people who have this placement to trap them, hold them down. people from higher status could like to prey on them, and they could have beliefs that are conflicting with other people around them. this person can be someone who can be into water/siren magick.

♱ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 10H/CAPRICORN ⟶ man-eater status. people want to be around them all the time, usually preyed on, need to be careful in workspace, and can be someone who steps on people's toes to climb the social/work ladder. people could like to use them for what they can bring to the table, father's side of the family could of had a lot of affairs, people easily tempted, especially you, you can be someone who is easily tempted. people might underestimate you within the work field or in general. on the other hand, this can manifest into being worshipped.

♱ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 11H/AQUARIUS ⟶ could get taken advantage of in friendships if we look at the hades perspective of the story, and could get harassed/stalked online. on the other hand, this could also mean person with this placement could be really popular online, usually the top of the game when it comes to their content. person can be admired because of the things they can come up with, and the type to defend the underdog, or could have the underdog to queen bee type of fame.

♱ ASTEROID PERSEPHONE IN 12H/PISCES ⟶ can easily falls for scams, and the type to wear rose coloured glasses towards future significant others, people might gloss over the rudeness of this person, the type to get away with everything and praised for everything they do. this placement is the epitome of the halo effect. this person can be very enchanting and creative, great song/story-writers, and could have a soft voice, if not, their voice can easily take the attention of other people, could be many people's fantasy, which causes people to want to have them all to themselves.

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[cincinnatibeef]

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[unholyunlovely]

i absolutely hate modern “romantic” retellings of Persephone’s story especially when they claim to be feminist. there is nothing feminist about looking at a story of a woman who is kidnapped and raped and whose mother moved heaven and earth to get her back and going “well, what if she wanted it? and what if her mother is actually kind of a bitch 🤔” please die

[messymoonmad]

Highdes is very silly and here's an exemple :

@kamuch-kommando and I talked about seid and highdes interaction.

Seid would give highdes headpats if he sees him with his hair down. Highdes won't mind as long as seid is fire resistant.

Hades : can I return the headpats ?

Seid : no but you can hug me if you want.

Hades puts out his cigarette to hug Seid.

...

1min later hades is snoring

Seid smiles and pats him some more before taking him to bed so he can rest well

( Seid looks like my kronos lowkey highkey )

So when seid has golden eyes, highdes just remembers his father when he was actually a dad. (His hair glows golden when he thinks fondly of his dad)

(Ps : all of this was discussed with kamuch before I drew them)

[passerinesoncaffeine]

I’M SORRY. WHAT

Achilles writing the codex:

[jeanne-landart]

Persephone - Queen of the Underworld -

Fanart of Persephone in "Lore Olympus" webcomic Book by Rachel Smythe ₊˚⊹♡

The art of this book is so delicate, I love the characters designs ♡

[moonlightflower-queen]

Omg Macaria is in Hades 2 HOW IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS

jk i drew it (this was supposed to be my april 1st joke but i forgot lol im dumb)

also yes i did 3d model her and her lantern

[lady-corrine]

Hades 2 🤝🏻 Blood of Zeus 🤝🏻 Lore Olympus: Melinoe being cuddled by her parents ♥️

[heyitsjaki]

Been a while since I’ve drawn my favorite blue man!! I was messing around with the pastels in Realistic Paint Studio and saw Hades’ signature blue in the palette and couldn’t resist 😁

Hades is from Lore Olympus

[mbohjeezart]

Hermit a Day May: Day 19, Favorite ALT H- WHAT IS HE DOING HERE? YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO- GO! YOU CAN'T BE HERE-

[sunshines-child]

some Chthonic designs

[bigidiotenergytm]

what if i was so silly and told yall

hades face was always overshadowed post-kronos and before his change. and it's the reason why his skin gets darker in some places. his fingers. ears. eyes. feet.

all children who were eaten can overshadow their faces just like kronos. hades did it constantly, so he has more darker spots.

poseidon... that is why his ears are darker as well. why he has "running make-up". he overshadows his face a lot but never enough to let it get to hades's levels of bad.