#hazbin hotel opinion

[bluarlequinno]

It's kinda funny to me that Husk mentions that Charlie is trying to fix others because she's avoiding fixing herself but I don't see lots of people talking about it (or about her in general) and even the show itself makes a very clear indication that Charlie's motives and actions for helping people aren't just because of pure altruism, don't get me wrong I do believe she has good intent and genuinely wants to help, but I personally what I interpreted, I feel it comes to the fear of her being unwanted and A LOT AND I MEAN A LOT of characters treat Charlie so shitty, but Charlie always bottles it up and treats them back with kindness, (at least until she can't no more and explodes), there are very few characters to which she responds back with violence being (Valentino, Lute and Adam (rightfully)), but in general she is extremely optimistic to the point it almost seems self damaging and I really wish it was talked more enough because it opens up a whole level of complexity to her character not many people give her, she isn't your typical altruistic good protagonist, she's extremely good to people out of her own fear of rejection, look how she behaved when she realized she damaged more than she helped Angel dust, yes it is normal to feel overwhelmed when you know you've harmed a friend, but Charlie's reactions although played for laughs, go to an extent of over compensation out of fear of being rejected and not receiving the benefit of the doubt to be forgiven, (also because it faces her face to face with her own flaws), just like how she always tries to do the same with others to the point of probably putting herself at harm, I'm not sure how conscious she is of it herself, but it's obvious she over compensates to anything to make sure people won't leave her, because as much as the show says she's got daddy issues, I feel more overall she's got abandonment issues in general, because literally both her mother and father left her at a point in her life and even when Lucifer comes back she's hesitant as to when is his staying going to last (I have problems with how quickly their issue was resolved but that is a discussion for another post).

My main point is that Charlie's issues with herself are so fascinating to me because I love characters who seem like the perfect altruist hero but actually unknowingly to themselves, have more emotionally "selfish" motivations, obviously I'm not saying Charlie has any ill intent, but she's literally an over protected princess of an exploited, unfair and exploitative system who has a very shielded and naive view of morals and goodness and badness.

I know this is fuckin Hazbin hotel, but I srs have so much brainrot.

I know critics of the morals of heaven and hell ain't anything new, but there is genuine good commentary in my opinion, not by any means perfect, but it definitely is doing insistent questions on the nature of a religious morality and using real life politics systems to somehow drive it further and connect it more with reality, of course modernizing it and treating it as a modern, tumblr version of so, but it's really good and the songs are amazing.

The point is, I'm really hoping they will explore more of the character of Charlie and how she transforms to her "demon" form when she is more emotionally unstable that could do a lot of commentary too if used right, but maybe I'm just projecting my own headcanons and ideas for her lol.

Actually I have no previous knowledge of any other media of the creator outside of Hazbin Hotel because I watched it some days ago in Amazon prime so yeah I just really like media and edgy media I'm sorry I liked this show, with it's problems and all I did like it, maybe it was too obvious for most, but I'm really new to the fandom so forgive my rantings

[ryemiffie]

I've gone too long without saying something mean about the tv man. So here it is, Vox is dumb and ugly and his hat is stupid and honestly everyone out here making the fanon that he's such a hard worker and he's a workaholic and that he thinks through everything as if that bitch didn't just pull angelic security out his ass and toss it to his assistant to figure the fuck out with no regard, that bitch is just sliding by on a pretty smile and it ain't even real! Shit's a bunch of pixels!

Anyway I hate Vox so damm much and I bet due to the limited head space he got crammed in that flat fucking thing he calls a head that the long ass tongue we saw at the end of the episode swirls around his brain like a fucking bird.

[writerquil]

i honestly hope that alastor never EVER loses his smile in the series cuz honestly that shits probably muscle memory at this point, ik his jaws gone numb

also he'd just look really stupid

[w0lfie-drawz]

Time for my controversial opinion

TW: Valentino x Vox hate

I don't like Valentino x Vox. I just don't see the enjoyment in it. Their first ever interaction was literally them screaming at each other. It is heavily implied that Vox has dealt with Valentino's out burst SEVERAL times. He is sick and tired of it. Not to mention that Valentino actively threw a glass at him and Vox KNEW to move out of the way. Which tells me this has happened before, and he possibly got hit.

Valentino also seems like the kind of guy who doesn't love. He is lustful. He doesn't seem like he's possible of really loving people. He just likes people for how they look. He desires intimacy instead of a genuine connection. Not saying thats a bad thing. Just saying thats how he comes off.

I'm not gonna sit here and say Vox deserves better. I'm not trying to baby him. He's not a good person. I just find the ship uncomfortable. I also don't think Valentino deserves anything nice in his life. Fuck Val.

[velvette-hussle]

I think saying that Valentino is being woobified is not…the correct word. Vox, and the way a lot of the fandom downplays his villainy into something more palatable for them by making him a victim and then overemphasizing that victimhood while downplaying his antagonism, is being woobified. On the other hand what’s happening to Valentino is not that.

Both the show (and large parts of the fandom as a result) aren’t downplaying Valentino’s villainy and status as a rapist to make people feel sorry for him so that they’re more comfortable with liking his character. The way Valentino is presented as by the narrative is as this complete fucking moron with anger issues who has zero tact or impulse control; the audience is supposed to point and laugh at Val any time he is not directly (and I do mean ‘directly’) interacting with Angel Dust, which in turn lessens his negative impact without technically just straight up erasing it or pretending it doesn’t exist, and makes him more comfortable to handle and for people to like (or even to dismiss and to hate in some cases).

That phenomenon is not him being turned into a woobie though, that’s him being infantilized; it’s infantilization. No amount of adding layers and nuance to a character (especially if those layers are properly tackled) is going to lessen the impact of a villains’ negative influence on a narrative like making the audience laugh at them more often than they grow apprehensive of them will, and that’s exactly what the show did.

IE: Depict the idea that Valentino is a joke and (outside of his interactions with Angel) he’s practically harmless.

How I see it the show is simultaneously asking the audience ‘how bad could he really be, he’s such an idiot?’ and then showing us exactly how bad Valentino could be and expecting us to just go back to laughing at him right afterwards now that the threat is not immediately in our faces anymore. EDIT: There’s also an implication - that parts of the fandom run with and the writers could maybe be actively showcasing - that Valentino is an undercover mastermind who’s actually smart, but the show itself doesn’t give enough hints at his “childishness” being an act he puts on for me to regard it as more than fans expanding upon the specs of Valentino’s character that they’ve been given to marry the two facets of his identity together and as more headcanon than canon.

With balance this doesn’t have to be an inherently bad thing, but I don’t feel that the show has that balance. Trying to soften the blow a depiction of a fictional rapist will likely have on an audience is not a horrible idea, but something about the way HH goes about it just doesn’t work for me and I cannot for the life of me directly articulate why. I feel the show just often misses the mark when it comes to deciding what about Val and the shit he does should be emphasized for comedic affect, what should be shown to the audience with relative neutrality, and when they should seriously emphasize him being a villain and a abuser/rapist.

From how I see it, Valentino needed more neutral scenes than he did comedic; for further understanding of my thought process his tantrum in “Radio Killed The Video Star” (s1ep2) is comedic (except for when he riles Vox up before the show goes right back to playing up Val’s anger for laughs), his inclusion and actions during the Vees’ meeting scene in s1ep2 is neutral (there’s subtle comedic elements to what he’s saying/doing but the audience isn’t meant to actively be laughing out loud or anything), and the scenes where he’s directly attacking angel (his meaner texts/voice messages to Angel, the dressing room scene in “Masquerade”, his appearances in “Poison”[♪], & when Val threatens then slaps Angel in “Welcom To Heaven”) are meant to showcase his menace without buffers. Less overtly comedic scenes would’ve just balanced him better I think, so there’s not this weird dichotomy of moments where Vox treats Valentino not like a non-threat but like a child having to be weighed against moments where Angel Dust is regarding Valentino like the Overlord is his personal boogieman who’s actually a threat to be taken seriously.

In general though, while some people do play up Valentino’s stupidity and incompetence in a bid to actively neutralize, undermine, or ignore his more violent tendencies for their own purposes (EDIT: sometimes for comedic value, sometimes to make him more palatable or more fun to play around with), the infantilization and further “dumbing down” of his character in fandom seems to mostly stem from an almost incessant need to make him as undesirable as possible even for a villain. It’s a phenomenon that I don’t really have a full explanation for, but for me it reads as a way to “diss” Valentino and the theoretical rapist that exists in many people’s heads that he represents. This isn’t a disavowing of that or anything either, it’s just something I’ve noticed that I don’t really have a name for but still find interesting.

I do think Valentino’s “dumbing down” in fandom has its drawbacks — making a character with such a medium level of influence like Valentino so stupid and impulsive he doesn’t even hide his crimes retroactively makes all the other characters around him seem uncharacteristically weaker for falling for him when he’s not even trying to hide how bad he is or how abusive he’d be, incompetent for not defeating him when he gets in their way even though some of these characters are both more powerful than him & not being manipulated by him, and uncaring since the characters he’s victimizing have someone who claims to care about them (or who’d at least have a vetted interest in the victim’s safety) that knows how bad Valentino is but just chooses not to do anything regardless as a result — but I’m pretty sure I understand where the desire comes from in general even if I personally don’t love it, so whatever.

Brought to you by me misconstruing the term “uwuify” with “woobify” so…..yeah. This post technically spawned from nothing but I did not want to put it to waste so here y’all go. This is kind of ordered wonky too, but fuck it.

[beatrixbenic]

i love seeing hazbin hotel redesign vids and like the characters are in a kinda horror-esc style like yass as a horror enjoyer keep feeding me please

[fizzywashere]

Is it too bad that my favorite character was Nifty?

[eepygweny]

hazbin hotel is out!!! and to nobodys suprise it overuses swears (not as bad as helluva boss) and has very awkward dialogue. like geez vivzie have u never seen bojack horseman?? THAT is how u handle swearing in an adult show. i know she said she grew up w/ south park &. shit but that’s funny cuz it’s first graders swearing. shock value. also don’t like how angel was handled very much he’s a character i kind of hold close to my heart but in him & husks song it kinda felt VERY victimblamey tbh

[cloud-spotted]

NEW AND IMPROVED ship opinions

now that hazbin is out and ive had a while to digest, here r my NEW ship opinions (now with explanations!)

OTP: chaggie. they literally r both powerful and love eachother a lot,, they r a power couple. the contrast between charlie's whimsy and vaggie's jadedness is awesome too.

main ships: lucifer x alastor, and i love all the canon ships except lucililith

FRIENDships: alastor + tom trench (they r both fruity, they both say the news, they both probably drink liquor and black coffee unironically, what more do you want me to say? they have so much in common /silly), niffty + sir pentious (they r insane together. niffty would help clean while sir pentious focuses so hard on work that he becomes a shut-in. relatable king. and yet sir pent seems like the type to appreciate niffty's odd creativeness. he seems like the type who would help her organise and create machines to help her with her tasks and also make sure she doesnt work too much because he doesnt want her to be like him. checks and balances yknow)

partners in crime: alastor + vox (i dont need to elaborate if youve seen the show), rosie + alastor (canon), charlie + alastor (powerful 1 and powerful 2 wreck shit after alastor convinces her shes too optimistic.. like perfect corruption arc complete with chaggie angst where vaggie joins the dark side too and OH man lucifer realises that maybe he shouldve encouraged charlies optimism more. what potential. i love thinking about it. it would be awesome.)… everyone + alastor… carmilla + vaggie (watch their musical number again. thats my only defence)

crack ships: vox x katie killjoy (ITS SO SILLY), alastor x sir pentious (LIKE VOX X ALASTOR EXCEPT WAYYY SILLIER)

ships i support idly: angel x alastor, husk x alastor, niffty x baxter (no opinions. i have no qualms with the ships. theyre cute /shrug)

hell no: lucifer x lilith (i dONT CARE THAT ITS CANON RAHH), angel x women, katie killjoy x tom trench (katie would NOT treat him right. tom deserves better smh!! theyd be a toxic couple who both have problems n feed off eachothers negative energy. itd be gross bro im so serious. itd be GNARLY)

stay single: valentino (unless u AU him to be Not a rapist)

fics that make alastor alloromantic are things i enjoy consuming but when they pull out the "you were the one! he found the one, guys!" im like :upside_down face: so i hope its known that while theres more than one ship of alastor x someone in here, i still accept that hes canonically ace B) the ships with angel x women i just cant stand though cus every single time the person aking the fic has some homophobic ass excuse. why cant they just say "this is an AU where hes bi" or something!! anyways thats my cold take. just call it an AU. thats what a lot of the ones making alastor alloromantic do. if u know of any angel x women fics where its specified that him being bi is an alteration theyve made to his character, then lmk

[writing-all-the-time-2]

Rating Hazbin Hotel Characters

Found this template and thought it seemed fun. Obviously these are my personal opinions.

[notherpuppet]

Ball is (after)life *badum tsk* 🥁

[weirdraccoon]

Ok but.

Episode 5 was fun and cool and I loved Lucifer and Alastor's rivalry.

But then Minzy arrived. And like. Ewgh.

I guess after Episode 4, we can't expect much...

[ryemiffie]

Also! I have more to say about Vox the endless question generator! His outfit is fucking stupid! The stripes on his suit jacked and then the horizontal stripes on his shirt?? Just terrible, I don't have to explain. He has a wifi symbol on his shirt! A wifi symbol, like I know your shits electronics and the media and shit but god is that fucking dumb and ugly! And he has it on his hat to match! Why??! Also his fucking hat, don't even get me started, too bad for you, I was already started. His hat is too small for his fucking head, and how does it stay balanced there? Is it like a cardboard prop? And not only is it impractical it's also ugly, how people are calling this guy hot when he got those dinky ass antennas coming outta his head, I'll never know! Are the antennas apart of his head and he just puts the hat to make them seem like an accessory? Why! The hat just makes it worse! And why are there little balls popped on the end of the antennas?! The end of antennas don't look like that, they can have rounded ends but not just straight up red fucking golf ball looking orbs! Why are they there? If he really wanted to accessorise them, get something actually complementing, not fucking bright orange-red balls! Also why is the rim of the hat pointed like that? What the fuck! And why aren't we seeing the back of the hat rim? Did he cut it off so the front view with the pointed sides would make sense? Cause if so he's an idiot cause it just looks stupid.

And I mean I'm sure Vivziepop and all the other people who helped with his design tried their best and worked very hard on him, and anyone who likes his design no shade to them, I just personally can not stand this fucking man. I have opinions about the rest of the characters, but Vox is the only one who's managed to truly fucking baffle me. Like why?? Just why??!

[merrypaws]

Angel Dust: How's my new look?

Husk: Not sure if you're going for 'pretty crazy' or 'crazy pretty', but either way I'd say you nailed it.

Angel Dust: Phhfft. Oh you. *turns away to hide his blush*

...

Angel Dust: *bitching about his latest work gig* ... and then Val turned around and blamed ME for the deal falling through! Can you believe that!? It's not like I could make the contract happen just by shakin' my ass! Tho, sure I could have put more effort into cozyin' up to that sleazy guy he was trying to swindle, but-

Husk: Legs, I've seen you freeze a guy's brain with a wink. You got looks that can destroy a man's wallet and ten men's sanity at twenty paces. If Val can't work with THAT, that's not on you.

Angel Dust: *tearing up slightly* Th-thanks, Whiskers...

...

Husk: *drunk and rambling* 'Angel'. Heh. Super ironic how your name turned out so fitting in the end.

Angel Dust: Huh?

Husk: Haven't had much of a reason or will to pray lately. Or- ever, really. But the first time you smiled like you actually meant it, you damn near put me on my knees.

Angel Dust: ...Guh. *angel_dust.exe has stopped working*

-Later-

Angel Dust: *pacing, gesticulating, pulling his hair* -And he just keeps dropping these things like they're old gum wrappers!

Cherri: Damn, bitch. You gonna lock him down or should I make a pass at him and see what comes out?

Angel Dust: Traitor! Faithless harlot! Now shut up and tell me what dress should I wear, I NEED to knock him speechless or I'll never be able to ask him out...

-Meanwhile-

Husk: Hey Charlie.

Charlie: Hi Husk! What's up?

Husk: I just wanted to let you know that you were right. I do feel much better ever since I started saying what I actually think instead of covering it with cynicism.

[brainrot-radio]

Throws these at you

[skyeblue8]

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Specifically with the Gluttonous Sin of Beelzebub being my favorite Sin of the group (not necessarily in Helluva Boss, but just in general), I wanted to make a ranking list of my favorite Queen Bee redesigns and their creators for really no other reason than I just feel like it. Now, this is all personal opinions and should not be taken to heart by any means, it's just for fun:

#1. "Beelzebub & Bibi" by @gravcore

♡ In terms of an actual redesign of the original, I love how this artist made "Bibi" because, for one thing, they made sense of the originals hair by giving her a ponytail since way too many characters have a mohawk style (Loona included); two, I cannot explain just how much I adore the clothes they gave her. The top is actually insect based and gorgeous, and not some recolor version of Loona's outfit; and third, they made canon Bee her own character rather than a royal because nothing about the OG read "Ancient Sin" to anybody.

♡ Now, in terms of the actual Beelzebub, here, she's legitimately stunning. Rather than a redesign, I can tell this was the original long before the Queen Bee episode came out, and I love how it reads both "70's party girl" and "regal ruler" all in one. That, and the actual bug design aspect and the color scheme. Above all else, I love how they incorporated the lava stomach in her design, too.

#2. "Beelzebub" by @s3tok41b4

♡ This design can best be described as a literal re-imagine of the canon Beelzebub as it shares almost all her similarities with the actual bug aspect to it that it desperately needed. It's legitimately simplistic but still appealing to the eye, futher showing us that Viv was perfectly capable of making something so simple, but actively chose to make it more confusing than it had to be.

#3. "Beelzebub" by @ruinxl0ve

♡ Similar to the first two, this shares both a regal and party girl bug aesthetic with the added bonus of actually being beautifully emotive despite not even having a mouth. I feel this beautifully differentiates the design from the original while also making it recognizable and I feel that it kinda feeds into the original concept that Queen Bee could literally "feel the vibe", hinting to her being an empath in some manner.

#4. "The Three Bees" by @onehelluvatime

♡ Long story short, these are three individual versions of the Queen Bee and her new placing within the Hellaverse outside of the canon one. For more in-depth explanation of these interpretations, it's best to check the blog yourself. Truly, I love these designs not only because of the visual redesigns themselves, but also the well-crafted and creative explanations and backgrounds regarding these characters. I especially like the idea that the hellhounds within society are half-undead with skull-like appendages and facial aspects.

#5. "Spontaneous Beelzebub" by @redd-byrd

♡ I know it's essentially the same as the canon design, but with the small tweaks that were made to this one (the giant "Bee Butt", the added black lines, the actual bug-like wings, the blue-thin eyes), all of them give a more clear indication (at least to me) that this Bee is more higher up than her fellow hellhounds, meaning she looks a lot more like a hybrid thus making her more grand. It's nice how they added these small details for improvement while still essentially leaving the design like its original.

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Anyway, thanks for listening to my Ted Talk. Have a nice day!