#i'm sure some of it online is psyops

[awkward-teabag]

So tired of everything being derailed by racists.

Want to talk about jobs? Blame immigrants.

Want to talk about the state of housing? Blame immigrants.

Want to talk about post-secondary education? Blame immigrants.

Want to talk about healthcare? Blame immigrants.

Want to talk about the state of the economy in general? Blame immigrants.

And it's never about the systems in place that lead to immigration or the how companies exploit young workers from elsewhere in the world (by taking advantage of their inexperience, their lack of support network, taking their money, and so on), it's all about how those dastardly non-whites are trying to screw honest Canadians out of everything by taking advantage of us, and they're personally going after you.

You can be talking about something and even be open to talking about the complex issue that is immigration but it immediately gets taken over by THEY TOOK OUR JERBS! assholes.

It's at the point where as soon as immigrants/immigration comes up, I peace out unless I know the person and can expect them to have a point beyond bigotry and fascism.

Because it's never about our systems, decade(s) of neglect, neoliberalism or conservatism, or anything like that, it's about how selfish, rich, and anti-white brown kids are and things would be perfectly fine if not for them.

[qqueenofhades]

I don't really understand the critiques of Biden as neoliberal and the way people pin the problems with the office of the President as a whole against him. I see it so often and I'm just not really sure what people expected? Did they think he would tear down all the bad stuff in just four years, and create some radical (by their standards) change? I feel like what he has been able to accomplish, especially with a Republican Party that could not be more interested in tearing him down and making things as difficult as possible, is admirable, and I'm really not sure why a lot of people online (mostly young people) don't see it that way.

Young people online are often poisoned by a mix of tankie-lite or just straight tankie ideology, disingenuous Magical Progressivism from the likes of Bernie Sanders and co. wherein if the Democrats can't fix the generational and systemic inequalities/injustices present in America since its founding then they Just Don't Care Enough, a toxic social media culture where they have to be the the Most Right and Most Righteous all the time or get shunned/shamed, a crowdsourced and distorted grasp of historical and political reality that is at best, questionable, right wing and/or Russian-sponsored disinformation/psyops designed to turn them against liberal democracy and become fascist-curious or otherwise disengaged, and general willful ignorance/inability to understand complex issues while nonetheless insisting that they can and should lecture everyone else on them. Not to go full "you kids get off my lawn" angry old man, although lbr it might be too late for that, but yes.

[stele3]

https://www.tumblr.com/stele3/736276958029168640/longtime-readers-will-know-that-i-was-once-a

As a leftist, I just wanna say that whenever I see someone who says “I was in the army, I’m now a leftist”, I have to pause. I’m anti-war and I just keep thinking:

“You’d get kicked out of my org for saying the things you’d say, and that’s why we need you in the fucking org. You know the system, you can call out rampant misinfo, and we need that.”

Because (to roughly misquote Angela Davis): “Why are we still debating whether or not Israel has the right to exist when we see what the Israeli government is doing on social media?” That feels like more of a genuine distraction than anything else.

And like, you probably know things that would drive me nuts. So, I guess what I’m trying to say is, I trust you, on the grounds of authority

Thank you; I do want to instantly contradict that a little bit and say: don't trust me blindly.

People can and do lie about their personal identities on the internet all the time. We saw this in 2016 when Tumblr and other social media platforms were infested with psyops agents pretending (especially) to be Black Americans. I see this now on Tumblr with the proliferation of Hamas and Houthi sympathizers; certainly some of them are real people who have been taken in by the lies, but I'm betting a lot of the big accounts (h*ritageposts in particular) involved are very skilled psyops agents. My point being: unless you know someone in real life, do not blindly trust that they are who they say they are online. Including me.

I'm human. I make mistakes. I can't guarantee that h*ritageposts is a psyops agent (but I'm sure watching them with a hairy eyeball -- either they're psyops or they're really committed to reblogging misinformation). If you take away anything from the post you linked, please don't let the thing be 'trust me I know what I'm talking about' and let it be 'think critically about the things you read and reblog, and try to get your information from reputable news sources rather than social media.'

I'm not looking to convince people to trust me. I'm looking to educate and teach people to recognize mis/disinformation, and stop as much of the flow of it as we can.

[winterbirb]

our brains are not built for withstanding the intricacies of every opinion/politics/world events tossed at us at lightling speed. and we are not prepared for it unless we revert to using small internet communities one at a time. or you can be a scholar i guess, but at what cost?

this feels like facing an eldrich monster of information that drives everyone to madness unless you are prepared for it and take it down chunk by chunk.

wish people would stop spreading horrifically simplified information too, e.g. "IT'S A MONSTER!"

Anon you're sooooo right it IS an eldritch monster. And God, at what cost? At what cost indeed? I'm haunted. But at least I managed to shut down a potential Certified Thanksgiving Event (my nana saying the US shouldn't have pressured Israel to do a ceasefire) in a new and interesting way (explaining why Blinken should be given a medal of honor for not throttling him)

And there isn't even any material benefit. None. You can live your whole life without knowing about this stuff. I don't earn any money for it. I'm probably Tony Blinken's saddest loudest fanboy and I'm not even earning psyop money. What's even the reward in knowing? Peeping the horrors? Getting into arguments online trying to get other people to peep the horrors for some reason?

I'm not even a proper scholar! I'm a fraud! I use 1986-1987 Foreign Affairs publications from the dusty shelves of the IR office to make sure my fanfiction is accurate! And then I don't even write the fanfiction, but I keep the information with me, and I open one too many books and suddenly I know that Soviet diplomats were expelled from the UN in 1986. And all this other information from memoirs and biographies that nobody else has any reason to know. Because I'm at heart a comic fan who hunts down issues to study a character except there's no such thing as plot holes in real life, only unknown pieces of the puzzle.

And there's always more connections to learn about so I've done this for the past few years and how can I sum up years of peeping the horror into simple descriptions? I can't! Yet when someone's like "IT'S A MONSTER!" I don't take the Normal Person Route but I try to condense everything and it really doesn't work bc it's like trying to squish a 3d object onto a 2d plane. Not even in an engineering draft way, just a direct squish.

Anyway I'll say it again : u are so right <3

Also it's 2:15 am so I'm doubly incoherent 😔🙏 but your message is already so well written, it explains everything by itself 😹

[crazyalien87]

the "trans conspiracy"

look. I don't think this "trans ideology" is just a psyop conspiracy from a bunch of misogynists wanting to deny the right to female-only spaces or a bunch of pharma companies wanting to profit off dysphoric people. I'm sure they may have contributed to it & worsened it. but really, I think it is just a logical extension of dysphoria cope via transition.

you see, it started with "trans people have really bad dysphoria, u gotta call them the opposite sex & new name for they can be more happy & let them transition" & whatnot. which is reasonable. sometimes. but then it just escalated into "don't just call transmen men now they are actually men & vice versa" & like totally redefining words as like the ultimate cope. bc like obviously a very dysphoric person wants to be the opposite sex so bad that like they wanna be as close to that as possible. including everyone believing u are actually a man or woman based on some inherent gender u have. bc if u cant be your desired sex physically well at least u are that in ur brain/mind/soul.

this is why ppl can't explain what is a woman beyond someone who wants to be one. bc they would just have to say that women are female or want to be female n that they just wanna be female so bad that they wanna be women also but they arent actually female n thus arent actually women.

but like ppl got so wrapped up in what makes dysphoric people comfortable (which is important, of course) that they forgot to strike a fair balance with the comfort of everyone else. which is where we get shit like transwomen in women's sports, redefining words to be more "inclusive" (theoretically if there are the same amount of transwomen & transmen they should cancel out & we should have the same amount of women & men, thus it is equally inclusive), etc... but of course it's not just that. there are also misogynists that wanna take away women's rights to single sex spaces messing up shit. & medical companies wanting to fasttrack all dysphorics towards transition without considering if it's right for all of us (it ain't).

thus, u get this weird clusterfuck some have called "trans rights activism" (which is more like redefining words activism).

that's also where u get weird shit like xenogenders bc that is the logical extension of redefining words. bc if u can be any gender u want...it doesn't have to be a normal gender anymore...?

oh of course there's also hella sexism in the online "trans community", at of usa people...bc we have a sexist society, which causes lots of people to want to change their sex (to escape gender roles n misogyny n such, or it just warps their ideas of what women & men "should" be)....

[papirouge]

That poster is onto something - I do think there was some bigger player making sjw content to weaponize in politics. However, moids like Steve bannon who did do that didn’t think this through enough where you radicalize angry men so much they turn on them eventually. The quote “the man who mounts the tiger dares not for dismount it” is true here. They took the power of sjws and anti sjws, radicalize them then realized they (low level rightoids) can’t control it. It causes chaos which I believe was exactly what the high level elites wanted. The anti NWO rightoids and political conspiracy theorists practically gave the elites exactly what they had wanted - a quick and easy way to destabilize societies. I think also that’s why they didn’t create a world ending virus, just covid. It was enough to cause disruption but nothing like we were pre programmed for (ie zombie apocalypse) they didn’t need that. We were already fractured

You're right on the money anon

For people who see conspiracy EVERYWHERE, Conservative for sure seem to ignore how much of the 'woke' movement is actually a psyop which aim is to breed even more horizontal chaos and divert the masses' focus off their real enemy (NWO elites)

I mean look at them taking the bait at every Black washed stunt (I successfully avoided any discourse or post about that Black Cleopatra movie lol). Not one moment any of them ponders where the end goal of it ultimately lies on.

When a crime happens, the first thing to think about is WHO profits off it. Well, applying the same logic to the wholle 'woke' thing, anyone with eyes can see that in the end of the day, it does NOT benefit the demographics it pretends celebrating and promoting.

The way companies have been using Dylan Mulvaney bred even more transphobia. Those Black washing movies made people direct their anger at Black people when not a single of us ever asked for a Black Ariel or Black Cleopatra movie and gave them even more opportunity to spit their foul racism on social media..... I'm not saying racists didn't exist and that a fringe of White people will ALWAYS seethe at non White (and Black especially) getting more visibility, but it definitely bred a radicalization that wasn't there to begin with.

Society has never been more divided. Even in Christian circles, dissing "leftists" as the ultimate source of evil in society has become too common.

And what's crazy is that Jesus precisely warned us off about not letting our heart get hardened. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Hate, disdain, contempt have never trendier online. I mean, Christians are now calling some churches "woke" for not going hard enough on targets that are highly encouraged to dunk on (LGBT+, BLM, Liberals, etc.). Where's Jesus mercy and love in all of this? Instead of being a light in the darkness of the world, Christians/church community actually highly engage into worldly hateful behavior.

It honestly makes me glad I never belonged in any church congregation and learned to walk with Christ alone ; not cruel pharisees engaging in worldly chaos.

[radio-charlie]

literally everyone who denied havana syndrome existed especially the major large-follower-number crowd, has to be psyops. everything about the way they “do” politics online is soundbytes intended to manipulate and sketchy sources i don’t trust any of them and blocked that whole part of this site when they came out of the woodwork with that shit

i see. yea i think some of the politics bloggers a lot of ppl seem to like on here are pretty sus (if u'd like to dm me for contact info we can compare notes somewhere else). but the others might just have been young, looking for a fun and convenient bandwagon, and had engorged themselves on the clout game for so long that they don't know anything else. a lot of them act tough in fights they know they can win. i'm not entirely sure they would've openly argued for the weapon being real even if they'd known because even when they should be standing up for smth and the stakes are far lower, they don't do it if they think it'll make them look stupid.

i do agree that they are manipulative, but maybe not all are psyops, just deeply narcissistic people haha. the ones who style themselves repositories of insider info who denied this thing exists though - prob feds. anyway i share ur distrust of almost all of them