Whats your opinion on the whole Christian Horner thing?
Let me preface this by saying, I have intentionally stayed away from this subject for many reasons, but given there was an outcome of the investigation today, and some of the information I’ve seen here throughout the past weeks, now is as good a time as any to respond to this ask I got weeks ago. This is not, nor will I be offering in the future, my opinion on whether Horner is guilty of the accusations or not. I just want to maybe provide context, and information from my experience and career thus far, that might help people understand, and also my opinion on the reaction from people. Caveat - I am not a lawyer, nor will I go into specifics of my current or previous job, however I worked in the legal profession where I worked on legal cases, reviewed evidence, and made submissions and recommendations that went in front of Judges.
Okay my thoughts. My thoughts are that an internal investigation that should have remained private for all parties involved, especially the alleged victim(s), was leaked and used as clickbait and gossip by the media and people on here and other social media sites. I think people decided guilt without having any genuine information, without seeing the evidence and without any credible sources. I think were the person being accused a different member of the paddock that the reaction would have been different. I think people used this to virtue signal and cry out about what good people they are. I think people that constantly say that the media and journalists shouldn’t be trusted, fed into a feeding frenzy that led to the name of the alleged victim(s) being published, which will undoubtedly impact them for the rest of their lives.
Onto specific things I have seen that I’d like to offer my take on:
Christian allegedly offering the victim a sum of money - First of all, for anyone who has a certain amount of wealth, especially those in the public eye, this is a usual occurrence. You try to avoid an investigation by any means possible, whether you’re innocent or guilty, because a) it’s easier and usually cheaper in the long run, b) pr and public image are damaged by even unfounded accusations and these things can run on for an extremely long time, and c) trial by media is a thing, and innocent people get tarnished for the rest of their lives because of something they were accused of. Now, I’m not saying any of those are why the offer was allegedly made, but those are some of the reasons. Companies do the same thing, when someone has an accident at work and hurts themselves, even if the company do not believe themselves to be at fault they will make a settlement offer, to avoid any legal back and forth. Settlements are not an admission of guilt, but a way to make something go away quickly.
Said money being why the investigation “went away” - I saw a quote that said “the grievance has been dismissed”, that means there was a finding, not that it was withdrawn. even so, this was a red bull investigation carried out by an external barrister. Once the company were made aware of the allegations, their investigation is independent of either party involved, so even if the alleged victim(s) withdrew their grievance, the company would still have a duty of care to ensure that any inappropriate behaviour or actions were identified, investigated and addressed. Most importantly, red bull want to protect themselves legally, and following the procedures and carrying out a thorough investigation, which would identify if they were potentially exposed to risk, is how they do that.
How can they ignore 100’s of pieces of evidence - We don’t know that they did. It was reported, but never confirmed that there was over 100 pieces of evidence submitted, so this is absolute hearsay. Further, I would be extremely surprised if the investigation ignored any piece of evidence, given the ramifications of an incorrect or improper investigation. Also I think it’s really important to say that evidence does not equal guilt or that one party to the proceedings is correct. Allow me to provide you with a personal example. I worked on a case where there was over 5000 pages of evidence submitted into a legal bundle. Approximately 4000 of those were from the appellant who argued that the other party had acted incorrectly. (forgive my vagueness here I’m not about to doxx myself). 4000 pages of evidence, which I reviewed and made a decision that I did not support their argument. The judge agreed with me also. Evidence can be subjective, and sometimes it can be completely irrelevant. The presence, and submission of evidence is to support one sides view of things, the other side will have their own, and both are examined and balanced and decisions made on that and sometimes also on other independent investigation.
The investigation is private and cannot be shared - This is law. GDPR in fact because this is occurring within Europe. I’m literally spending this entire week on a GDPR course, and have an exam on Friday, so I really don’t want to go on about legal basis and restrictions for sharing personal data, but let me tell you it’s for good reason, especially with investigations like this. All parties involved in this have a legal right to privacy, covered by the human rights act, and unless there is a compelling legal reason why their data should be shared, then it can’t be without their explicit consent. Simple as. And that’s disregarding that there will be confidential company information within the investigation that also cannot be shared.
Horner committed a crime - given that we do not know the specifics of what occurred we simply don’t have enough information to know this, HOWEVER, from the information I have read, and by the fact that I have not seen an indication that the police have been involved with this, nor are they carrying out their own investigation, I am working under the assumption that no law has been broken.
tl;dr - These are real people’s lives, we are not involved and we have no right to know anything. This isn’t salacious gossip, and it’s not a fun thing to band around and use as a stick to beat people with to prove how good we are. Processes and investigations like this should be private, and basing things on hearsay and unscrupulous reporters does more damage to any alleged victims than good. Having seen how fans and social media have treated this investigation, do you think that makes any other alleged victims want to come forwards? I think not. But that’s just me.
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does somebody know what each streamer in pirates smp calls their chat cause for now I have
Seagulls: Acho's Chat, Tubbo's Chat
Sea Salt: Owen's Chat
Rats: Martyn's, Olives, and Eloise's Chat (her mods are cats which is cute!)
Magpies: Scott's Chat (Mods are Crows ?)
Parrots: Kyle's Chat
Ghost Parrots: Sausage's Chat
Adoring Fans: Krow's Chat
The Voices: Michela's Chat, Cleo's Chat
The Waves: Ros's Chat
Crabs: Oli's Chat
I can only watch so many perspectives, so please tell me about the ones I've missed or need to add, or if I've gotten any wrong!
I know this information is pretty trivial but I'd be fun to learn (especially after the war that happened after scott raided acho)
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feel sick thinking abt the way sam’s entire life and being is just. manipulated to serve someone else’s cause. repeatedly the curtains get pulled back and it’s revealed someone else was pulling the strings all along.
does anything even feel real to him anymore? six months old and a demon bleeds into his mouth, his entire life marked by that moment even though he’ll never possess the authentic memory of it. his entire childhood his father thinks he has evil lurking inside of him and treats him according, but never mentions it. his college best friend gets possessed by a demon who introduces sam to a girl he’ll fall in love with so that he can kill her and force sammy onto a path of vengeance. his brother dies and the only person he stays close to makes him believe the only way he can get revenge is to drink her blood, gets him to embrace what’s inside him and reclaim the awful thing that happened to him and does it only so she can use him to start the apocalypse.
what can he trust? everyone has their own agendas when dealing with sam and yet somehow they’re all still about sam. he’s the centre of their machinations, their mouldable toy, build your own future boy king of hell. sam’s manipulated and moved around, everyone trying to shape him into what they want him to be. he makes me feel insane
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i feel like my dash is going through an aftg renaissance but like. a mini one??? as in i've been seeing aftg posts from multiple blogs almost every day for the past week or two when i've seen basically none in the last 3-4 years and i don't know where it's coming from or why but all of this is to say
i'm rereading the books now lol
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