Episode 3 Transcript: Why Won't They Let Sam Do Anything???
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G: Hello! My name is Grey.
C: And my name is Crystal.
G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen the show several times…
C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.
G: We are both Asian!
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G: So for today's episode, we will be discussing Season 1 Episode 3, “Dead in the Water.” So, Crystal.
C: Yes.
G: Before you watched this episode, what were your expectations?
C: Okay, so the things that I knew from social media: There is a child involved who draws pictures who Dean is nice to, and Dean tells him about how after he witnessed his mom die, he didn't speak for a few months, I think, and was sort of just bonding with the kid. I also knew that there was an evil lake with dark water involved, and also that Dean at some point jumps into the lake and saves the child… I think that's about all I knew about the episode because that's the only part that the Deangirls were giffing.
G: Yeah, the jumping into the water part really is the kicker of this episode. Like, it's the iconic shot.
C: Yeah, yeah, where he resurfaces holding the child.
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G: Okay, let's start with the episode. So episode three, we start in Lake Manitoc, Wisconsin, and there is a girl—her name is Sophie—and she's walking around the house preparing for her workout. She says goodbye to her dad and does a bit of a bantery goodbye with her brother where her brother says—
C: “Guys don't like buff girls”—
G: Yes, and she says, well, “Girls don't like guys who still live at home.” Which, it's just, it's, I guess it's a very American…
C: I mean like I guess I'm not the most American American, so maybe this is something that happens between sisters and brothers…
G: I was talking specifically about living at home being an insult.
C: Oh yeah.
G: That's a very American thing. Or like, I guess Western. Just Western world, I guess.
C: Yeah, yeah, no, like a lot of families in China have like three generations all living together—
G: Yeah, exactly, right? I mean here at home, you stay with your family until you get married, and even after that. So, I was like, ��Oh man, this is an American show.” But like the brother was also an asshole, so it's fine.
C: Yeah, no, the brother was such an asshole. And also, I don't have conversations with my sister about desirability. It just felt like a very- it just was a very weird line. I feel like if your sister is a varsity swimmer and has gone for workouts every single day for years and years, do you even need to bring that up anymore? And if you are bringing it up, why?
G: Anyway, so she goes to the lake to swim, and there are some interesting shots in this scene, very Jaws-like. So I noticed that, but I have never seen Jaws so I might be wrong.
C: I also haven't seen Jaws. Are you just talking about the high contrast between the water and the reflection?
G: No, I think I'm talking about the shots where it's from under the water and it's looking up at her, and I was like, “Oh, this looks like something from Jaws in my imaginary world where I have seen Jaws and know what it looks like.” So she spins around some more and then she gets grabbed by something down the lake, and we see bubbling in the water showing that she's breathing underwater, I guess, and the bubbling stops, and the lake is clear. And there's a terrible slow motion effect going on. It's so bad! What's going on?
C: It’s terrible.
G: They forgot to film at 60 fps for this scene.
C: Yeah, exactly their film camera acted up, and that's why the water looked so weird earlier too.
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C: Right, so now we're at a restaurant where Sam and Dean are eating. Dean is looking through a newspaper for cases and finds the news about Sophie, who we just saw drown. Then, we see a waitress that Dean’s being all flirty with. Oh, we get the shot- that I didn't know was from this episode- of him grinning and chewing on a pen that the Deangirls are really into.
G: It's a very famous shot.
C: Right. And Sam comes and interrupts the flirting, and Dean says, “You know, Sam, we are allowed to have fun once in a while,” and then he points to Wendy, the waitress, and says, “That's fun,” which I think is Dean misogyny count number 8. Do you agree?
G: Because, okay, I was gonna bring up something here about like flirtatious waiters, right? Because the waiter was flirting with him, or at least we are supposed to think that the waiter is flirting with him.
C: Yeah.
G: I don't think—like, flirting with each other shouldn't count as a misogyny moment.
C: Oh, I don't have an issue with Dean flirting. I have an issue with him saying “that's fun” about a person. Like “that” is not something that you use to refer to a person. It's quite dehumanizing, in my opinion.
G: Uh, okay, I get what you mean. Yeah. I don't know if we should count it as a misogyny moment. Maybe like a 0.5?
C: Alright, alright. So Dean misogyny's at a 7.5.
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C: Dean tells Sam about the Sophie case and mentions that they had a funeral where they buried an empty coffin because they couldn't find the body, but it was for closure. Sam says, “Closure? What closure. People don't just disappear, Dean; other people just stop looking for them.” And Dean's like, “Oh, I see. Something's up.” And Sam's like, “Yeah, no, I'm upset that we're not just actively trying to look for our dad right now and are working cases.” And then Dean gets quite up in his space with “You know what? I'm sick of this attitude. You don't think I want to find Dad as much as you do?” And then he has a moment where he's quite angry. Yeah, he says “I'm the one who has been with him every single day for the past two years while you've been off to college going to pep rallies. We will find Dad, but until then, we're gonna kill everything bad between here and there, okay?”
G: Okay.
C: Um, yeah. What are your thoughts?
G: Okay, in this podcast I'm starting to feel like it's becoming my job to defend Dean.
C: It seems to be! Yeah, okay, hit me with it.
G: Because I am a younger sibling, right, so, to be fair, I, as a younger sibling, would never speak like that to my elder siblings.
C: Okay, yeah.
G: Like the very rude way where Sam was like, passive-aggressive, right? So I was like well, yeah, I mean if that was my sibling, they would get mad as well. But I was beginning to think about it, and I was like, “But I won't do it out of respect. Like I’d do it because I think it's pointless, because, you know, this person has authority over me, and they'll think they're right, so I'll just shut up.” So maybe, like Sam- it was good for Sam to speak up for himself, but personally I wouldn't do it just because my sister's gonna think they're right anyway.
C: Right, okay. I mean, yeah, I think Sam probably should have communicated more openly rather than being passive-aggressive, but once Sam did communicate what his problem was, Dean got, I think, too upset? Like “I'm sick of this attitude” is such a parent authority figure thing to say, when I feel like, in the US, siblings are supposed to be sort of on an equal level regardless of their age relative to each other. I understand that Dean's bitter about Sam leaving, but I think saying like, “Oh, you've been off to college going to pep rallies” is not very kind, especially when Sam's college girlfriend just died.
G: Yeah, that is true.
C: And also, Dean ending his whole thing with “Okay?” like he's giving Sam an order… I didn't like that. That made me- got my hackles up.
G: Because I've been spoken to like that, so I'm like, “It's fine.”
C: Yeah, I mean, I feel like as an eldest sibling who's often ordered around by my younger sibling, Dean doesn't make much sense to me.
G: Ah, yeah, well I guess it's because of the age gap as well. Because their age gap is a bit weird because it's not too big but it's also not too small.
C: Right, yeah.
G: They like- at certain moments they feel like miles away from each other in terms of age. like the authority is so overwhelming. And then occasionally there's also the feeling of like, “they're just same age buddies!” you know?
C: Yeah, yeah. Well I think if Dean feels comfortable hitting on Jess, who is Sam's age, then he should feel comfortable seeing Sam as an equal, but also Dean doesn't see women as equals so… [both laugh] Anyway…
G: Anyway, so—
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C: Anyway, so they agree to go to the case. That’s the end of that scene.
G: Yes, they agree to go to the case, and we have a drive sequence over rock music, and—
C: Of course.
G: So they arrive at the house and they introduce themselves as Agent Ford and Hamill which is so… like how did someone not notice that?
C: Sure, yeah no one’s ever watched Star Wars before, and they'll never see through your epic, epic aliases.
G: Yes. And they introduce themselves as US Wildlife Service. So they talk to the brother, and the brother reveals that Sophie was a varsity swimmer, so she shouldn't have drowned because she's very good at swimming. Sam and Dean start asking details like, “are there tracks in the mud? were there any shadows?” etc etc, and the brother says no, like it was just a normal day. And then Dean went on to start leaving, but Sam stays behind and asks the brother if they can talk to the dad, which the brother then turns down.
C: Yeah. Very suspicious. Next they go to the police station where they talk to a local sheriff about the drowning, and the sheriff's like, “well there are like no carnivores that live in the lake, there's nothing there,” and then makes a Loch Ness monster joke, and Dean—
G: Okay, the Loch Ness monster joke, right? Like he looks at Sam funny.
C: Right.
G: What was that look supposed to mean? Because it can either mean that the Loch Ness is real—
C: I think it's just like- I think it’s like, yeah, either they're pretty sure the Loch Ness is real, or, in general, it's sort of just like-
G: A myth, right?
C:- “ah, this silly little man doesn't think monsters are real, but we know they are.”
G: Yeah. I was like, I was like, so is Nessie real or not? And I wanted to know because they mentioned Loch Ness once again a little bit later, and there was no clarification, and I was like “Goddammit! I wanted to know if Loch Ness monster is real in this universe!”
C: And then we find out the sheriff did a sonar sweep over the lake and didn't find Sophie's body or any of the previous bodies. And then he mentions that there is a dam that is falling apart, that they're opening up, so that the lake is going to be drained away, I believe.
G: It's weird because later on, they say that the lake would be dry, right but here they say…
C: Yeah, at first it seemed like the lake was going to overflow and flood the town, like that’s what I got?
G: Yeah that's the implication here. But later on, they were like, “it’s gonna dry up.”
C: Later they're like, “the lake will be dry,” yeah, um.
G: So I was like, “okay, sure.”
C: Yeah. And then we meet Andrea Barr, who's there to be very pretty, and she's the sheriff's daughter. Dean sort of tries to flirt with her straight up, and then they also meet her son, Lucas, who seems very gloomy and doesn't speak to them. Sam asks if the kid's okay, and the sheriff says that he and the family have been through a lot. After that, Dean—continuing his attempt at flirtation with Andrea—asks her about a place to stay, and then asks if she will walk them there even though it's only two blocks away. Andrea is amused, but ends up agreeing, and then they head out after she says goodbye to Lucas.
G: Is this a misogyny moment?
C: I… I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Like I feel like it-
G: It made me uncomfortable, but I’m not sure.
C: It definitely made me uncomfortable, but I don't know… Yeah, like I feel like, like I feel like it is definitely a level of flirting that I would be greatly uncomfortable with, but I feel like it wasn't- I feel like he didn't put her in a position where she couldn't back out.
G: Say no.
C: Right, so, I think she- I feel like she was safe in the moment, and Dean wasn't a threatening figure, so I wouldn't necessarily count it as a misogyny moment. I just think it's more of a “the audacity! Her dad's right there!” kind of moment.
G: I know.
Anyway, so on the street, Dean is still keeping up with the flirting with Andrea.
C: Attempting to.
G: And he's saying shit like, “Cute kid! Oh, your kid is so cute! Kids are the best, huh!” Deaaan… [laughing] And then they show up at the motel, which is, as she said, two blocks away, and then she quips. She does a little quip where she says, “Oh, you must be- must be terrible for you with your sense of direction, never finding your way to a decent pickup line.” And then she leaves, and then Dean is just standing there like a bit, um, I don't know what the word is. A bit flustered, but like, negatively?
C: Right. yeah. I can't- flummoxed, maybe?
G: Flummoxed. Wow, big word! [both laugh] Sorry for being Deancoded. Okay, so he's just standing there, and Sam berates Dean for his attempts at flirting, and then asks Dean to name three children he even knows. Which is so weird, like that's not how it works, Sam! That's not how you know you like children! But also it was quite funny, so it's fine.
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C: So, now they're in the motel, and Sam's doing some research on other drownings in the lake, and sees that there were three this year and then six spread out over the last 35 years, so there's been an increase in death rates. And Sam says that he finds the lake monster theory not very realistic because there haven't been many eyewitness accounts of a creature cuz it seems like everyone that's ever seen this creature has died. Then they find out that one of the previous victims was Christopher Barr, which is Andrea's husband and Lucas's dad, and that Lucas was there when Christopher was taken and saw the whole thing. So they decide to go out and ask him about it. And also Dean says, “No wonder that kid was so freaked out. Watching one of your parents die isn't something you just get over,” ‘cause I guess they need to bring up Dean's Mary trauma every episode, which is fair, so yeah.
G: Okay, I have a question. The article with Lucas’s face plastered on it, is that or is that not irresponsible journalism?
C: Right. It does- it feels like you usually wouldn't put a picture of a child on there without- maybe with parental permission? Yaybe with parental permission you would but yeah, it's-
G: It's just weird, like this kid, his father… I guess like when you're in a smaller town where it’s more tight knit-
C: Yeah, I was thinking, it's like a local newspaper, so yeah, there's probably- it's probably like everyone knows everyone, so it's okay. But I guess apparently-
G: It's still weird!
C: It's on the internet too…
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G: So they go to the park, right, and they go to Andrea. And Andrea is sitting there like, “oh, I'm here with my son so, don't bother me,” and Dean's like, “Okay, I'll talk to your son!” And Dean goes to talk to Lucas. So they're sitting down in a park bench, and Lucas is drawing with crayons on the bench with a bunch of toy soldiers beside him, which Dean plays with for a bit and he's like, “Oh, I used to love these things!” and he does a little mime thing where he plays with it, and I was like “aww”—
C: And I was like “boo.”
G: And I was like, “Sweet man!”
C: Booo.
G: Do you know the lore with the toy soldier?
C: Um… oh. In “Swan Song,” doesn't Sam have a flashback of him playing with them with Dean in the Impala, and that's what gets him to break Lucifer’s control?
G: Yeah, so like in the Impala, there are some toy soldiers—
C: Oh, like wedged—
G: Stuck in the vents or something. So I was like. “oh, that’s a- is that a callback? What is that?” But you know I was like, “aww,” in retrospect, it's very sweet to him be like, “oh, I played with these!” and then you see it later in the show. I am enamored by Dean in this episode, mostly because he's wearing the leather jacket.
C: Okay. I'm very angry at Dean and Andrea's writing in this episode.
G: Andrea's writing… I think it was like a writer misogyny moment, like we discussed last time, so like, I’m not-
C: Yeah, it was a writer misogyny moment. We can discuss it later, I guess.
G: We can- we will discuss it later.
C: We absolutely shall.
G: We can, must, and should discuss it later. But he was wearing the leather jacket, and I was like-
C: Boooo.
G: Because earlier this week, I bought a leather jacket-
C: Yeah. Yes you did.
G: -that looked- the color looks very similar to his, and I was like, “Look! it's my cosplay!”
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G: So… he goes to Lucas again because Lucas is ignoring him, and he goes, “So crayons, huh? That's okay, chicks dig artists” or something like that.
C: Can I add a point? Can I add a point? Can I add a point? Can I add a point?
G: I was like, “You weirdo!” Okay, you can add a point.
C: Okay, yeah!
G: Dean, you fucking weirdo.
C: This kid is like five! Like this is not one of this child’s—
G: The kid is not five.
C: Okay, the kid’s like, I don’t- 8? 10? How old are children?
G: Yeah, maybe, maybe 8.
C: The kid's like 8. This is not a priority right now, especially when he's very busy being traumatized.
G: [laughing] Yeah.
C: Also it's like- it's just weird, like Dean shows up and he's like. “I have to connect with this boy child. First, I will pretend to do war. Next, I will talk about seducing women. These are the ways in which I will connect to the boy child.” Like, what's wrong with you, Dean?
G: Yeah, well, Dean is, you know, as we know, a fucked-up little man.
C: Yeah.
G: So he looks at the drawings that Lucas are making, and they're mostly spirals and bikes, and Dean says like, “oh, these are pretty good drawings!” Which I was like, “They are not good drawings.” This kid is fully 8 years old.
C: We see Dean’s drawing later, and the kid’s better, though, so.
G: [laughing] Well, that's true, but still, I was like, “why would you say like, ‘oh, this is pretty good!’ to like, an eight-year-old kid? I have a five-year-old sister and she draws better than this kid.”
C: [laughing] He’s just trying to get into the good graces of Lucas.
G: Yeah. And also, okay, I'm gonna bring it up now, but like I was supposed to bring it up later. But… he keeps on saying “when I was your age” when he's talking about Mary, right?
C: Yeah.
G: And we know that Mary dies when Dean was four.
C: Yeah.
G: So is it implied that Lucas is supposed to be four years old?
C: God, I hope not!
G: I hope not, because that kid is fully 8. And also, I was wondering a while ago, like, are white kids just that much bigger than Asian kids? Like what is going on?
C: Yeah, I really cannot guess child ages at all. Like anyone who's like under 12, I'm like. “you could be 4 to 8.”
G: Dean starts talking about Lucas's dad and how he can relate because, and then he stops short because it's supposed to be a mystery for Lucas, I guess. And the most ham-fisted sad piano starts playing.
C: Yeah! I made a note of that. This whole episode is full of ham-fisted sad piano.
G: It's so… [laughs] Anyway, let's proceed. So Dean draws a family portrait, which aww, good for him! The drawing is so bad, though.
C: It’s awful.
G: It’s so bad. I mean-
C: Right, he's like, “Can I draw with you? I'm not bad myself.” You're bad, Dean.
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G: Uh, we go back to Sam and Andrea, where it is revealed that Lucas has not talked since the accident. And this is the only thing that is exchanged between Lucas- uh, between Andrea and Sam. Which I was like, “Why?!” Andrea's husband just died, Sam's girlfriend just died…
C: Yeah, no, you’re right!
G: Like they could relate to each other, right?
C: Ugh, right, they could! I guess maybe Sam's not ready to talk about it yet, but I don't know.
G: Yeah but they could have- there could have been an opportunity. I guess they were like trying to dig the husband. Like the husband got fridged, bro! [C laughs] And they won't even acknowledge him.
C: Right, I guess they just didn't want to talk about the husband because it would just seem really weird that Dean was swooping in right on the heels of this tragedy.
G: Yeah, exactly, right? So I was like, maybe she could have talked to Sam because, like, to be honest, Sam doesn’t have much—
C: Yeah I feel like if she was like, “I loved my husband so much, he was so good,” we'd all feel a little weirder about the eye contact with Dean.
G: They could have given Sam something to do. And also most of the time… because in this show, they do this thing where the Sam mirror connects to Sam and the Dean mirror connects to Dean, and for once I wish they could have had a thing where the Dean mirror connects with Sam. You know, like opposite day.
C: Yeah!
G: Because Lucas is like- they really ham-fisted the idea that Lucas is a Dean mirror or something, like witnessed a parent dying, but like they could have made him connect to Sam, and Sam could have understood Dean better or something, you know?
C: Yeah.
G: They keep on doing these like one-to-one connections, and I'm like- like I know this is episode three, but like further down the road, you do get tired of it.
C: Also, I'm just like… I always thought that like season one was a season where Sam is the main character, and then later-
G: I know!
C: -Dean gets favored more and more, but like the three episodes I've watched, I'm like “The writers like Dean more from the beginning. Like Sam's getting nothing in episodes two and three.”
G: He's getting nothing at all in episode- especially this one—
C: Yeah, especially episode three!
G: Like what is he even doing? And it makes me angry because he's the main character!
C: He’s the main character! Who cares about Dean's blah blah blah whatever? Sam also saw his mom die, so, get over it! [G laughs]
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G: Okay, so they continue talking. Dean shows up, and it's mentioned that the kid has post-traumatic stress; that's why he won't talk. And then Lucas comes up, and in a surprising turn of events, he actually connected with Dean! And he gives Dean a drawing of… a house?
C: Yes.
G: A house. Yes. Slay.
C: Slay.
G: Anyway.
C: Right, next we go to the Carlton's where the dad is sitting in a chair looking at TV being just- very still, and then his son comes over and tells him that he should eat, but there's no response. And then the son, who, as we remember, is Sophie's brother, is using the sink, cutting up a fish, and then we notice that the water coming out of the sink turns brown, and then—
G: Why did he just leave the sink open? Like—
C: I don't know. Maybe it's like- you know how some people leave the sink running when they brush their teeth because they find the sound soothing?
G: Yeah.
C: Maybe he just needs that ASMR while he's cutting the fish up.
G: And then like the sink is also filthy as fuck.
C: Yeah, yeah, the sink is filthy, and then the dark water is filling it up, and then the son—whose name is Will? Yes, whose name is Will—pulls the plug out of the drain in order to get the water to go down, but nothing happens, and then he sticks his arm back in, and then he gets grabbed. He's like thrashing, and he's grabbed into the sink where he drowns, and then the water goes away. Dun-dun-dun!
G: This triggered my disgusting instincts. Like instead of fear, it's really disgust, because the water's so filthy, and the sink is so filthy, and everything looks so like grainy and disgusting…
C: Yeah, like I feel like in the past episodes, I didn't really notice too much that they were shot on film. This episode I was like, “wow, this show was very shot on film.” Like the coloring—
G: Yeah, it's so gritty.
C: Yeah, the coloring's so gritty, it's just- it's not- it's not like pleasant to look at, sanitation-wise.
G: So we go to the motel room the next day of Sam and Dean. It's morning, and Sam walks in, and he mentions that he passed by the Carlton house and discovered that the brother died by drowning in the sink. And he relates this to Dean. So they start speculating some more, “why is the lake upping its body count,” blah blah blah, and they realize, “oh, it's going to be dry? in a few months?” This is the part where I was really confused.
C: Yeah.
G: But yeah, so they're like, “oh, we need to solve this right away, because this lake won't stop until it gets what it wants.”
C: Mm-hmm. Yeah, so they decide- oh they realize that there is a connection to- well they decide that there's a connection to Bill Carlton, who is Sophie and Will's dad, because it killed both of his kids, so they go to the lake to talk to him. They try to ask him some questions, but he refuses to answer. He's very down. He says, “my children are gone. It's worse than dying, go away please.” Sam and Dean leave still suspicious of Mr. Carlton. And then they notice that the Carlton house is the house that Lucas drew, which implies that Lucas maybe knew something was gonna go down there.
G: So they realize they need to talk to Lucas. So they go to Andrea's house and plead to her to let them talk to Lucas. So she eventually says yes, and Dean goes to talk to the kid. He asks how Lucas knew about the house and all that, but Lucas still isn't responding, so Dean tries to comfort Lucas by telling him about his mom. And he says that- aww. He says that “Mom wanted me to be brave, and I think about that every day, and I do my best to be brave.” And he says, “Your dad may want you to be brave, too.” Lucas eventually draws a picture of a house with a church beside it and a kid with a cap on a bike. He hands it to Dean, who says, “thank you, Lucas!” And then we proceed.
C: Yeah, so.
G: So what- how did you feel? Did you feel touched during that scene?
C: It's like- the thing is… I knew it was coming already, so I feel like I wasn't particularly touched. Like I've seen the gifsets. Um… I mean I do think I was- I do think I didn't know about the “I think about that every day.” I was like, “oh, I didn't know that this was such a guiding principle in Dean's life, like the Mary figure really lurks large!” So I guess it was it was interesting in like in a way where I'm interested in the mythology of Mary and how that plays out when she returns in season 12, but like—
G: Yeah, exactly, right?
C: Because I don't care about Dean that much, it didn't like- it didn't matter to me on a Dean level?
G: [laughing] I care about Dean enough for the both of us.
C: Yeah. [laughs]
G: Anyway, I was bringing it up because of the- again, this like really cements in the first season the Mary mythology of like- it was probably- it was probably John who told Dean that “Mary wants you to be brave,” right?
C: Ugh. Boo. Oh god, do you think he told him that on a hunt?
G: Just, knowing that Dean- Yeah.
C: Like- because that would be so bad!
G: If it was told to him during a hunt, like, man, that sucks. Like knowing what Dean went through and having to be- and him having to tell himself that like, “I'm not allowed to be miserable” or “I'm not allowed to be afraid because I need to be brave for my mom.”
C: Yeah.
G: Like that is so sad!
C: It is, it is. And I mean, okay, we'll get to this later, but I know near the end of the episode he asks Lucas to take care of Andrea which like, yeah, he's also very much like a- oh this- “you're really putting a lot of parenting responsibilities on the Dean mirror to parent his parent, huh.”
G: Yeah. We're really seeing a lot of Dean in this episode. Meanwhile, Sam is just a little bit of an asshole.
C: I mean… is Sam an asshole?
G: Why won’t they let Sam do anything???
C: Sam’s not—I don’t think Sam’s an asshole here, I just think he's just he's sort of there.
G: I will bring up the moments where I think he's an asshole a bit later.
C: Okay, okay,
C: But I was like, “I'm still annoyed that they won't let him do shit.”
C: Yeah. I'm also annoyed. Like, he's the main character! He's the main character. Just because Jensen Ackles has longer eyelashes does not mean that you do not owe Sam's some lines.
G: Give Sam lines… what- what year is this?
C: 2005.
G: 2k05. [laughing]
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C: Right, so now they're in the Impala trying to find the house that Lucas drew, and Dean mentioned that Lucas only started drawing like that after his dad died, and Sam talks about how trauma can sometimes make someone psychic. Dun-dun-dun, foreshadowing? Foreshadowing?!
G: Whaaat?! Dun-dun-dun!
C: [laughing] And then… they're driving around. Dean’s like “there's like a thousand houses that look like this,” and Sam's like, “Well the church is a good clue!” I think it's very stupid that they had Dean not take into account the church at all. It’s like half the drawing!
G: Yeah I was like, it’s literally the first thing you see.
C: It's half the drawing! It's more noticeable than the house. Yeah. Dean says, “oh, college boy thinks he's so smart” in like, a silly little voice that I don't know how to imitate.
G: Yeah, in a smarmy voice. “College boy thinks he's so smart!”
C: Yeah, yeah.
G: That was such a terrible rendition, but let's proceed.
C: The vibes are still correct, even if the tone isn't. Right, and then Sam says, “what you said about Mom, you never told me that before,” you know, because he was watching from the doorway and was having his moment of “oh, right my sibling's a real person” that we all have sometimes. And Dean's like shrugging it off, and says “oh god, we're not gonna have to hug or anything, are we?” And then it just moves on because Mr. No Chick-Flick Moments simply does that.
G: To be fair… Again, I am defending Dean, right? Like, do you hug your siblings?
C: Yeah?
G: Yeah? Well, you live away from your siblings, so like when you come back, you hug them, I suppose.
C: Yeah, okay there's hugging upon reunion, and then I think- I think I'm fairly tactile in general. I mean, usually I think I just hook my chin on top of her head while she's sitting. I mean I don't think a hug would have been appropriate because Dean's driving, but I mean like, the point of Dean's comment—
G: No chick-flick moments.
C: —was just like, “oh my god, you're being like so emotional about this. Like get over it, whatever.” But like, I understand that it's a sensitive topic, and he doesn't want to further talk about it, so being snarky is the way to move on. So I'm not upset at him for it, but it is just the larger trend of Mr. No Chick-Flick Moments.
G: Yeah, well I guess I don't hug my siblings. Like, if my siblings and I hugged, I would crack a joke, like, “Are you dying?”
C: Aw, really?
G: Yeah, yeah, because we're not particularly- like we're tactile; we touch each other in different ways, but not hugs, because hugs are too emotional.
C: Oh.
G: [laughing] Hashtag Deancoded!
C: [laughing] No, no, no, I'm thinking about it now, it's like I think every time I see my sister standing somewhere and I'm bored, I just put my arms out to hug her. Like I think I'm just very huggy.
G: Yeah, maybe so.
C: Yeah, so I might be overly huggy and you may be- you may have the correct metric of amount of hug you should give one’s siblings.
G: Yeah. Also because in the Philippines, right, we're still not doing face-to-face classes, so we're just at home! So why would we hug, you know? Like if we saw each other after a long time, then we'll hug.
C: Yeah.
G: But if we're just hanging out every single day, like in the same house, literally 24/7…
C: Okay, but Sam and Dean have just seen each other for the first time in four years, so…
G: Yeah, and they wrestled! That’s equivalent to a hug!
C: Right, they wrestled. They- that's their man hug.
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G: Okay. So they find the church and the house. So they go in, they ask around, and they find out that apparently there was a little boy who disappeared years and years and years ago. His name is Peter. And he disappeared after- he was supposed to ride home on his bike after school, but one day he just didn't. And then he just never showed back up again. Then we get the “it's worse than dying” thing line again, and then Dean finds a picture of Peter with the- with Bill Carlton, the guy whose kids just died. So he was like, “oh this is the dot that is being connected right now.”
C: Right.
G: The willingness of people to talk to Sam and Dean is like, unreal.
C: Yeah. Yeah. Like they just showed up at her house, and she was like, “ah, yes, my son who died, perhaps, 35 years ago, I'll tell you all about it!” And at no point was she like, "how do you-"
G: "Who are you guys?"
C: "Who are you and how do you know there was a boy with a baseball cap and a bicycle here at some point? You are like, less than 35 years old. What's wrong?"
Right, so then we cut to the lake where we see Bill Carlton there talking to the lake. And he says “you've taken everything, everyone. I've got nothing left. I didn't understand. I didn't believe. Now, I think I do. I think I finally know what you want.”
G: Spooky! And then back in the Impala, Sam and Dean are discussing the case, and they infer that, you know, Bill Carlton did something to Peter, and they race to the Carlton house. And so they arrive at the house, and towards the lake, we see Bill driving a boat, which like- it looks like it crashes on like an invisible iceberg [C laughs] is what it looks like. And then it flips over and then sinks in the water, and Sam and Dean are just standing there like “oh my god.”
C: Mm-hm. So now they're back at the police station where Andrea and Lucas are. The sheriff is quite suspicious of them and sends Andrea away, and then…
G: Lucas is very scared.
C: Yeah, Lucas is very scared. He grabs Dean's arm, he's like, shaking, Dean's trying to calm him down, and then Andrea and Lucas just walk away. The sheriff's like, “it makes no sense that this guy's boat tipped over and then he got grabbed,” and then he's like “also, I know you're not actually with Wildlife Service. If you don't leave now, I will arrest you.”
G: So they leave!
C: And so they leave.
G: So we go to the- to Andrea's house, so I guess the Barr’s house, right? Oh, where Lucas is frantically drawing spirals, and Andrea is like, “oh, why are you doing that? Let's get you to bed.”
C: Sam and Dean are driving, but Dean seems reluctant to leave, and then he ends up driving back to town. And then we see that Andrea is about to put some water in her bathtub and get in. Uh-oh! And then we're back to Sam and Dean, and Sam's like, “The case should be over because if Bill killed Peter and now Peter got Bill, then Peter should be fine now.” But then Dean says, “I just don't want to leave this town until I know the kid's okay,” which is kind of sweet, it's kind of sweet. Sam says, “Who are you and what have you done with my brother?”
G: Okay, this is the part where I'm like, “Sam, you asshole.”
C: Yeah…
G: Like, what an asshole thing to say. It's such a statement! Like obviously, Dean has a tough guy exterior, but like, one look at him and you know that it's just an exterior.
C: Yeah.
G: Like he is obviously caring and all that shit, right?
C: I guess. I guess I sort of just like- maybe I sort of just saw it as an extension of Sam's previous “Oh, yeah? You love kids? Name three kids you know.” I think maybe it was more of a “it's new that you like kids in particular” rather than a “it's new that you care about people.”
G: Ahh. I saw it as this. Because it's so- from my perspective it's so unnecessarily mean, but it makes sense if back in the day, Dean really was like the asshole that he exteriorly is.
C: Yeah.
G: So like if Dean only started softening after Sam left for college, and Sam is seeing this Dean for the first time, like it makes sense if Sam really doesn't know this Dean, you know. So I was like, “oh like, was 22 and below Dean really an asshole?”
C: Yeah, that's possible. I did note that that line seemed kind of unnatural, but also I think it's probably just a result of the Supernatural writers… like every time either of the main characters show some kind of softness, they require the other one to comment on it in a mean way so they can tell the audience like, “We know this isn't how a real man is supposed to act! We know it's cringe AF! However, it's cool and good.” So like, yeah, I feel like each time one of the brothers is soft, the other one like has to be a stand-in for the writers policing the definition of masculinity. So I think that's- I think poor Sam just got saddled with that task in this scene.
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G: Okay, so we go back to Andrea, who is disrobing, and she steps into the bathtub that she's filling up. So she, you know, relaxes, closes her eyes…
C: And she doesn't turn off the faucet! Even though the bathtub is full when she gets in!
G: The bathtub is full, yeah.
C: It's going to overflow, girl!
G: And also, like, the way she's like, you know, looking kind of to the side with her eyes closed with a little bit of a smile, I was like, “I never look like this when I'm bathing, I'm positive I don't.”
C: Yeah, no, it's very much like a- an idea of what women look like when they're relaxing and naked-
G: When they’re bathing. So the water turns dirty, she starts drowning, like something is pulling her down the tub, and Lucas is pounding at the door. So Dean- Sam and Dean are at the entrance, and they're like bantering, like, “Oh, should we go in? You think we should? It's very late in the night,” and Dean busts the door, and immediately Lucas swings the door open and starts running up the stairs. Sam busts into the door while Luc- while Dean holds Lucas back. And he lifts Andrea up from the tub, and then gets her out of the tub… while they’re all looking at her naked body.
C: Did it really have to be a bathtub scene? Like there are so many other ways one can interact with water in one's life, but they chose the bathtub for the woman and the sink for the man.
G: She could literally be washing her face, and- but I guess that would be a repeat of the sink thing.
C: Yeah, no, I just feel awkward for the actress, because they were like, “Okay, you're gonna be naked, and then Jared Padalecki is gonna grab you out of the tub. And the whole time, position your arms so that they're covering your nipples, okay?” Like- [laughs]
G: Yeah. Well, I mean, yes. But, I don't know. Like, it's a scene!
C: Yeah, I mean I guess it's a more dramatic rescue when there's a bathtub involved because you sort of have to grab the whole person out, but yeah, no, it definitely—
G: Yeah, butt-naked.
C: — there was a tinge of writer misogyny there.
G: Yeah, I would say so too.
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C: Yeah. Right. So, yay! Andrea's alive! And Sam tries to talk to her about what happened, and Andrea's crying and thinks that she's going crazy. And she tells Sam that she heard a voice that said “come play with me” in the water. And then Dean, who's looking through books in the house, sees that Peter was friends with Bill Carlton and also Andrea's dad, the sheriff, Jake, when he was young, so they put together that perhaps the sheriff and Bill were both involved in Peter's death, so Peter's going after the sheriff's family as well. And then they see that Lucas is looking out the window, and he runs to a spot. Dean and Sam start digging there, and they- within like three inches of the soil [laughing] find that there's a bicycle there.
G: Yeah, they were not digging deep.
C: And then they look up, and the sheriff is there pointing a gun at them, is like, “How did you know that that was there?” Um, because it was like two inches under the dirt, my dude. Dean accuses the sheriff of murdering Peter when they were kids, Andrea sees what's happening and goes outside and sorta tries to stop the sheriff from firing on Sam and Dean. Sam explains that Peter's spirit is gonna kill all of the sheriff's loved ones. Yeah, just general explanations about ghosts.
G: While all this exposition was happening, we go to Lucas, who gets up and out of the house. Andrea is still confronting her dad about what actually happened because she heard Sam and Dean saying that “You killed this kid! And then you just let his body sink to the bottom of the lake" or whatever, and the dad reveals what really happened. Which was that he and Bill Carlton accidentally drowned Peter while they were bullying him.
C: Yep! They held his head under the water. Yikes!
G: For too long, and then he drowned. And they let the body sink.
While all this is happening they discovered that Lucas was actually out of the house and now on the edge of the lake. And then gets grabbed into the lake by a hand.
C: Yeah. I wish they hadn't shown us the hand. Like it was a lot cooler when people were just getting dragged in and drowning, but that little baby hand? I was like, “who cares?”
G: No, I guess because Lucas is a small child, right? So he can't reach the water without really stretching, so they had to have the hand there, but like I wish he was able to reach the water and just get grabbed, you know, like with what's inside the water already. Like that would have been a cooler shot, but [in unison] alas. So Sam and Dean dive into the water. Aww, my heroes!
C: [laughing] Yeah, I mean, they were probably like “well, Peter has no issue with us, so we should go in and Andrea-”
G: Yeah, it was no hesitation at all. I was like, “aww, look at them! They're literally just diving!” And then the police off- uh, so they're going around looking for Lucas in the lake, and the police officer, Jake, starts pleading to the ghost. He goes into the water as well and he starts waddling in the water. Peter hears Jake and takes Jake and drowns him, and then Sam and Dean continue to look for Lucas. And when Sam has given up, there in the far distance, we see Dean holding Lucas. He surfaces from the water while holding Lucas and takes a deep breath. And this was all shot in slow motion, and this one actually looks good.
C: Yeah. Though I still think the high-contrast, low-saturation was especially apparent and kind of bad-looking this episode.
G: It looks exceptionally low-budget in this episode, I’m sorry.
C: Yes. That's what it is. It looks like a very low-budget horror movie, which it basically is, right?
So, now we get to the last scene. So Dean and Sam are ready to leave. Dean's a little down, and Sam says, “Look, we're not going to save everybody” because Dean’s upset about the cop. And Dean says, “I know.” Then, Andrea pulls up. Her father just died, and she found out he was a murderer like within five minutes, but she's dressed very well, has her hair done very well, has makeup on, looks completely cheery and fine. She shows up and says that she and Lucas made them sandwiches for their trip and that Lucas made them himself. And then Lucas speaks for the first time in the episode and says like in a little whispery voice, “Can I give it to them now?” and he does.
G: You know? Especially when you just almost got drowned, and your grandfather just died, that’s when your post-traumatic stress gets resolved.
C: Right, exactly! Like, what? That's when you're getting over PTSD. And to return to the very lake where you got your PTSD, be drowned by the thing that killed your dad, giving you PTSD, and then watch your grandfather be killed by the thing that gave you PTSD, like that's the best time to get over it! [both laughing]
G: Jesus. Anyway.
C: Right. Of course. I knew it was coming, but it still made me so mad.
G: Yeah, like it's kind of expected that the kid's gonna be happy-
C: Right, the kid's gonna talk at the end of the episode.
G: For some reason, Supernatural can't leave a story sad.
C: Yeah.
G: Like it always has to resolve everything.
C: Yeah, it’s like “And then Dean and Sam came around and they fixed everything!” Um, Sam asks Andrea how she's doing, and she's like, “well, it's gonna take a while to process.” Sam says, “I'm sorry,” and Andrea says, “You saved my son. I can't ask for more than that. Dad loved me, he loved Lucas. No matter what he did, I just have to hold onto that.” Which, you know, is totally something you could come up with within like 10 hours? Sure, whatever.
G: Yeah! They are treating this like it's been months since Bill died.
C: Yeah, exactly! It's been a day! She should not be fine! But okay, whatever, I guess she has to be fine for later happenings. [both laugh] Right, so then, yeah, and then we cut to Dean and Lucas, where apparently Dean's been teaching Lucas to say the sentence “Zeppelin rules,” and they high-five, and then Dean has his line where he says, “You take care of your mom. okay?” because, you know, that's the eight-year-old's job? It's the eight-year-old's job. And then we have the worst scene in all of Supernatural, where Andrea—
G: [laughing] Oh my god…
C: —shows up, and she kisses Dean right on the mouth, and says “Thank you.”
G: This was a jump scare for me.
C: Literally.
G: Because the last time I watched this episode was last year, so I knew pretty much the plot beat-for-beat, but for some reason I completely repressed this kissing scene.
C: As you should have. Your brain was protecting you.
G: I know! So like when it happened, I was like, “Oh my god!” I was so shocked. I did not expect it at all.
C: Yeah, I didn't think it was gonna happen. I was like, “surely they will not force this poor woman to go through this after she had to go through everything else!” but, no, like, she is- yeah. She almost drowned by the thing that killed her husband, her son almost drowned, her dad did drown, and now- [together] she found out that her dad was a murderer… and I guess her current priority is macking on Dean.
G: Also, okay, I forgot to bring it up last time because I was trying to defend Dean, but another thing that I was thinking about, because it's quite similar, right?
C: Yeah, Hayley…
G: Like the girl is saved, and then kisses Dean, and then this one too. It's quite the same.
C: Yeah, I was like, “Does Dean get one kiss per episode? Like, is this in his contract? Like what's happening?”
G: This is Jensen Ackles when he entered Supernatural—
C: Yeah, he was like—
G: “I need to get a kiss per episode.”
C: “I will only be on the show if women make out with me once per episode, or else I demand a second trailer.”
G: I was gonna say that like there is something sinister over the fact that it's- the perspective is like, “This is Dean's reward.”
C: Yeah!
G: Like, he saves these women, and then the women are like, “Oh! Uh, because we are saved by this guy, we ought to kiss him!”
C: Right.
G: And like, maybe that's not- like it's fine to be grateful, like I'm not saying that these women were forced to kiss Dean—
C: I mean, but they were. They were written that way.
G: There’s something… They were written to be forced to kiss Dean. But like, uh, like, “Oh, we're only kissing this guy because we're grateful.”
C: Yeah!
G: Because he saved our lives. Like there is a power imbalance there.
C: Absolutely, and also like, especially because both her and Hayley… Like earlier, Dean tries to flirt with them, and they're like, “That's not gonna work on me, buster!”
G: Yeah, no.
C: But then as soon as he saves their lives, they're like, “oh, you've convinced me! Come over here!”
G: Yeah! It's really-
C: It’s bad!
G: It’s not “weird”—I keep on saying weird, but it's bad, is what it is. It tastes foul in the mouth.
C: Yes. Just like Dean's tongue probably tastes foul in her mouth. Ugh, yeah. It’s not realistic!
G: [laughing] There wasn’t—okay to clarify, there wasn’t tongue in the kiss.
C: There wasn’t tongue. I know there wasn't tongue. I'm really glad.
G: Imagine if they started making out! Jesus.
C: It's not realistic. Like, I don’t know. Like, Lucas's emotional journey is prized over Andrea’s this whole episode. She's not a realistic character, she's just there to give information and look pretty. It's just- it's not good.
G: For some behind the scenes [C laughs], like immediately after Crystal watched this episode, they messaged me and were like, “Oh my god, dude, I hate Supernatural! I hate the way they treat their women!” Literally.
C: Yeah. Truly I spent like 10 minutes after watching this episode sitting in my chair, fuming. It's terrible.
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C: Right, so she says thank you, and Dean doesn't even reply. He doesn't reply! He walks away and says “Sam, move your ass! Let’s leave!”
G: He was a bit flustered.
C: Like, how rude! How absolutely rude! Awful! Yeah, and then they get in the car, and they wave goodbye, and they drive off, and there's music that is, apparently, according to the transcript, “Moving On” by Bad Company, and then that’s that episode.
G: No, never heard of it.
C: Yeah, neither have I.
G: So they drive away, and the episode ends.
C: Yeah. Ugh! It's just- oh wait, something else that annoyed me about this episode… Okay, like, we have the scene where Dean's looking sad and Sam's like, “We can't save everyone!” But the thing is, in episode two, that guy's two camping buddies both got eaten to death, and there was never a moment like that, where it was like, “Oh, like it's sad that his friends got eaten. You can't save everyone!”
G: Yeah.
C: Like for some reason—
G: They're not relevant to the journey.
C: Yeah, like somehow we’re supposed to care about the murderer cop sacrificing his life or whatever, but we're not supposed to care about the two other campers who got eaten in the previous episode? I don't get it. I don't get it. But whatever.
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G: Okay. It's time for our Best Line/Worst Line segment.
C: Yeah.
G: So what do you think is the best line of the episode?
C: Ugh, okay.
G: There’s not much.
C: Yeah, l… there's not much. Okay. I feel like… I don't like that I'm picking this for best line, but I think I'm gonna go with Andrea's, you know, quippy little “must be hard with your sense of direction, never being able to find your way to a good pickup line.” ‘Cause like, I know it was just the writers being like, “How do we make this woman likable? How do we make her hard-to-get, so she's not a terrible little slut just spreading her legs for Dean right away?” But also, it is funny, and it did work, so… [laughs] So I enjoyed that line.
G: That's actually my worst line.
C: Oh, really?
G: I didn't like it, because I was like, the quip was like so… like. It was like you said, the intention behind it, I didn't like that they were trying to make out this girl as like “oh, she's playing hard-to-get” or whatever they were trying to do. I didn’t like it.
C: Well, whenever people are mean to Dean, I just have to give them points. It's just just how it is.
G: I think the best line in this episode for me is the one that's like, actually related to the main characters, which was the Mary one. Yeah. I thought it was, you know, it was because—uh, to be clear, the line was… um, what was the line?
C: Uh, something, bravery…
G: “Mom told me to be brave. I think about that every day…”
C: “And I do my best to be brave.”
G: “I do my best to be brave.” I think it's, you know, a Dean thesis statement, and also, again it elaborates on Mary as a myth for the Winchester brothers. I think it does a lot of exposition for a very, you know, emotional and short line, so good for it!
C: Yeah, no, I think it was well-written and well-placed, I agree.
G: What's your worst line?
C: [laughing] “Chick dig artists.”
G: Ah, yeah. Yeah. Come on, Dean.
C: He's eight! He's eight!
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G: Okay, what's your IMDB rating for this episode? What’s your guess?
C: I'm not sure… Okay, I know that this is a very popular episode amongst Deangirls so I would think that it's at least higher-rated than episode two, but I'm not sure how much higher rated. And I think it's probably below the pilot, so I'm going to guess like an 8.3?
G: An 8.3. I was gonna guess an 8.2 for exactly the same reasons that you said.
C: Yeah.
G: Like it's probably higher than last ep but like significantly lower than the pilot, and also like Deangirls like it—
C: Yup.
G: You know how it is. Okay, let's search… Uh, excuse me?
C: What?
G: Oh, no. I was like 4.2 over 10?! No, it's a Dead in the Water movie from 2021, [both laughing] oh my god. I was so shocked.
C: Yeah.
G: Okay, it's 8.1 over ten.
C: Okay, yeah, so you were pretty close.
G: We were near it.
C: Once more, I shot too high. Yeah, yeah.
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G: Okay, that's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next time we will be talking about Season 1 Episode 4: “Phantom Traveler.”
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