#killing eve text post

[carrythatwayt]

She's my murder-princess and I love her.

[a-multifandom-mess12]

Any woman character ever: *murdering, torturing, and extorting people*

Me, yelling from the sidelines: YOU DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO QUEEN

[kalmiopsis]

[italiantea]

hey what the fuck was going on in this guy's class

[softstrawberrycreamcake]

[raisedbythetv89]

Ok hear me out

Enemies to Lovers:

Being forced into a temporary alliance where they fight on the same side to defeat a common foe but they’re not happy about it and go back to enemies after: they just kissed

One just made an attempt on the other’s life: they just fucked

They willingly join forces and fight together as a united front: they just made love

If they exchange weapons with each other while fighting together: they just got married

[ersatzist]

george karim is a dedicated and highly skilled investigative researcher whose only weakness is milfs

[guyeatingtomatos]

The demons in me…are screaming..i shall rewatch Killing Eve. They DEMAND IT. Who am i to decline.

[pussypopstiel]

SEASON THREE KILLING EVE DONE

[quirrelli]

So, I finished Killing Eve S4 and I'm...

...just gonna pretend I do not see it. S3 wasn't amazing but its ending still works way better as the ending of the show than the actual ending, so I think I'll just be having that, thank you.

No, but seriously, how did they manage to have this much lesbian activity for four seasons and still end up with bury your gays lite?? Did literally no one in that writer's room have even a cursory look at tvtropes.com or talk to like one gay person??? Make no mistake, I was fully expecting one or both of them to die, especially since I was aware – without knowing any details – of the finale's negative reception. There are always going to be people who hate an ending and by extension the whole show simply because it killed off their favorite character, irrespective of context or execution. I am not one of those people, so I want to be crystal clear here when I say there were ways to make a tragic ending work for Killing Eve, a few fairly obvious ones even, and so I thought surely there was no way they would fall into that specific trap again.

The most generous interpretation of this (non-)ending I can come up with is to apply Hanlon's razor, in which case it might be be seen as a symptom of the general loss of focus the series suffered beginning with S3 and exponentially more so in S4. By which I mean they let the emotional core (the V/E dynamic) diverge wildly from the plot (finding the 12).

Never lose sight of the emotional core. I find you can get away with almost anything; technical faults, dodgy performances, plot holes (especially plot holes), even a meh ending, as long as the emotional core stays exactly where its name says it should stay.

Helene is an easy means of illustration for this point. Helene in S4 is basically less chaotic Villanelle, both in her function to the plot (murderous fancy bitch whomst is important as the key to a bigger bad) and in her relationship with Eve (gay, aggressive, lethally hot), which makes me wonder why they didn't just let Villanelle play that part??? It's driving me mad bc it's the most obvious thing and would have fixed so many problems in an instant.

By which I don't mean get rid of Helene btw, just make better use of her, as an actual member and face of the 12 or a double agent or sth. Give V the quest to hunt down the 12, it's already perfectly aligned with her motivations and capabilities at the end of S3! I mean she wants to impress Eve by showing her she's trying to be better and to start a new life, right? Cool, ok, therefore, in Villanelle's moderately disturbed mind it makes perfect sense to do this by violently hunting down a bunch of bad ppl ~ for Eve ~ . (The fact that she's also high key horny for murder is just a bonus, don't worry about it, baby.) If not that, then do sth else entirely with her, do the church thing (properly this time, not squeezed into two episodes and then entirely forgotten) but don't give hunting down the 12 to Helene, a character that already feels vaguely like a replacement for Villanelle while she's off doing character growth or whatever.

If they had done the thing that makes sense, it would have also meant that for once V and E's goals would have aligned, (though they might not have realized it immediately, you know, for spice,) which would have given us an opportunity to delve into a new dynamic: Partners in crime. Not S2 V tenuously working for E bc horny but actual challenging "we want the same thing except oh no, all this history and unresolved tension" cooperation. Obviously it would have gone horribly wrong in some fashion (I'm thinking Carolyn shenanigans), but at least it would have gone wrong for a reason that actually involved them bc the plot would have actually been their plot again. Incidentally, if you're going to have them hook up, this would be a great time for that, so it doesn't feel quite so backhanded if/when one/both die at the end.

The only reason I can imagine for not going down this route is that it would be too obvious, to which I can only say: [Insert tired comparison to Game of Thrones here.]

Seriously, hunting down the 12 is a natural conclusion to the story. It makes sense, was built to from the beginning and should have been a slam dunk in terms of plotting. Thus I am flummoxed as to how the writers managed to drop the ball so spectacularly that it hit every single one of their teammates square in the tits.

Well, I say that, the show does maintain a few of its strengths, first and foremost the cast of course, consequently some of the dialogue (Carolyn and V's interactions are delightful) and I do like the idea of both Gunn and Pam and also V getting shot by an arrow. Just wish the cupid/angel motif hadn't been so muddled and included Gunn more (who shouldn't have been called Gunn. It's a bad joke.)

Speaking of, many have rightly decried the lackluster supporting cast but as I see it, that is largely a holdover from S3, which killed off/wrote out basically everyone but the core four and failed to introduce any new characters that stayed past the season finale (besides Helene) bc it was too busy not moving the plot forward. You gotta have side characters in your show, so they made some new ones for S4 and gathered together whatever scraps they could (Hugo prettyboy and Martin the therapist). Idk if there was a good way to solve this problem exactly, but they could have certainly woven the new lot into the story better. Especially Pam. Pam could have been so much more. Oh and fuck the way they wrapped up Irina's story too. Complete waste.

With bad plotting comes shitty pacing. Again, that already started in S3. However, I will say in defense of S3 that it being a bit slower and introspective is very much the sort of thing that could have felt kinda ok, even needed in retrospect, if S4 had Risky Businessed into the room champagne in one hand, gun in the other, ready to party. Instead it made S3 look worse by turning it into a prelude to an even more plodding experience, now with bad editing!

For real, there's some really poorly constructed scenes; shots that feel disjointed, unfocused, repetitive. No idea what that's about, could it be the lingering effects of Covid-restrictions? Or maybe they just needed a better editor. Regardless, while not super dire it is absolutely noticeable and contributes to the general lack of cohesion, not to mention the tonal dissonance.

What am I saying, that's an excellent thing to mention. An ideal candidate to put the show and this too long note on my phone out of its misery in fact.

Killing Eve is supposed to be fun, you guys, remember that? S1 was at all times like two smash cuts away from becoming a full on comedy and it was amazing for that. It was the show's most unique feature, what took it from very good to transcendent as far as I'm concerned. Walking that line is hard, no doubt about it, and I get that different show runners have different visions and of course you can take on a more serious tone between seasons but then you actually need to make everything else match that shift. Integrate the absurdity into your writing or discard it, the way I've discarded the idea of ever writing a proper conclusion for anything. If you really want a dramatic, played entirely straight spy thriller conclusion with conspiracies upon conspiracies and doomed passions, that's fine. I mean, it’s not really bc you're losing what made Killing Eve great et cetera and so forth but my point is that you can't have your imaginary drag king Jesus and eat him too.

tl;dr: S4 is bad. There are several reasons for this.

[carrythatwayt]

They're perfect for each other (threat).

[thenarrativefoil]

villianelle breaks on the "this isnt a game anymore" moment after eve goes into the forest to ground herself/ let herself relax a bit. and eve realizes villanelle wouldn't go against her wishes when she turns the ghost's face up. and the next scene is villianelle threatening niko. and v promptly uses a real emotion "ow that hurts" to throw Niko off so she can tell him Eve is in love with her. and then she. tells him Eve laid down in her bed and stabbed her. so he can be truthfully shocked and hurt by this. this show is so fun it's like watching emotional ping pong.

[a-multifandom-mess12]

Yes, she’s evil, but have you considered that she’s my wife and I love her?

[fiddler-on-the-starship]

Yellowjackets looks pretty cool, can’t wait to get into it in 2-5 years after I’ve finished all the other shows currently on my watch list.

[martyfromgiant]

it’s odd to me, that i still find being queer difficult and isolating these days. you’d think with how accepting and open minded people are these days, everything would be sunshine and rainbows. but it isn’t. it’s still hard. i still feel alone despite being surrounded by a fair amount of other queer people. maybe it’s because i have no one in my life that strongly relates to me. the population of lesbians my age in my suburban town is somewhat small. very very small. no one else seems to want to talk about these issues, talk about the new queer media and everything about it.

my life in my queerness is not close to the worst it could be by any means. i have accepting family and friends and i’m in an area that is more or less accepting. sure i come across a few assholes but who doesn’t? but no one my age wants to spend hours and hours talking about aloto and killing eve and other groundbreaking queer media. the losses i feel when my beloved characters die, i face alone. i can scroll through tik tok and twitter and tumblr but it’s not the same as talking to someone about everything. someone my age who has the same interests i do. sure i don’t experience homophobia, but not having fellow queer people and lesbians who want to dive into these worlds is so difficult. tumblr has become my only real connection to people like me who could talk about these little gay shows for hours and hours. a place where i can share my feelings and be passionate without a fear of judgement from the people around me. it’s nice to know other people get obsessed like i do.

it doesn’t change the fact, however, that i have no tangible connection to my lesbian identity where other people feel the same as i do (don’t get me started on how much of a pain ass it has made dating).

the problems and oppression we face is by no means gone. that lonely world out there and a life without acceptance is still there, creeping up on us every so often, knocking us back down a peg and “putting us in our place” so to speak. but in this much more common accepting and open world, there is still a little pocket, a corner, if you will, of that same loneliness. that feeling deep down that people don’t truly understand you, that you will be judged for exploring and expressing your interests. yes i’m surrounded by queer people and allies, but am i surrounded by people interested in fighting this fight, people who will embrace me, people who will share these new exciting pieces of media with me? no, i can’t necessarily say i am. fighting the assholes around you is only half the battle. fighting the inner loneliness and the voice telling you you’re not enough or crazy for your interests, is a very present and very demanding other half of the fight.

so i resort to pouring my heart and soul out on this platforms in my silly little blog posts feeling my heart explode with each like, comment, and reblog i get, showing someone out there feels the way i do. there’s truly nothing like it and makes my obsession and passion feel a little more validated and my connection to the queer community a little stronger.

[villanelleskiss]

killing eve vs the last of us: a comparison

A niche post for the likeness of those who are obsessed with Killing Eve or The Last of Us, or both. 

I’ve recently been listening to the TLOU podcast for both the game and show and I’ve noticed a lot of similarities to the characters of Villanelle and Ellie. They are both similar characters, along with similarities between Eve and Dina, with possible similarities between Konstantin and Joel.

WARNING: THERE WILL BE SPOILERS FOR BOTH KILLING EVE AND TLOU 

Villanelle:

Villanelle is a character who we’re introduced to right away in the show. Seeing a speckle of blood across a watch, getting the sense that she is not who she says she is. Hiding her true identity while never shying away from her anger and murderous natures. She has felt these emotions from a very young age and displayed them as well, while also never having any family connections to fall back on for comfort. Her mother sent her to an orphanage, her father passed. In school she hurt and maimed other children before being sent to a juvenile detention center. She had a relationship with her language teacher, whose husband she proceeded to mutilate. Which sent her to prison, where she presumingly killed more people and led to the faking of her death. Where she met Konstantin who recruited her into a twelve, a group of powerful government entities with a mind to create their own militia of seemingly teenagers/young adults whose minds are easily swayed and preyed upon. 

Over time, we see Villanelle has become one of the victims of this group. But does she ever really see herself as a victim? She sees herself as a predator, like a shark, hunting its prey. Given orders to murder who she thinks are random people, but we as viewers know it’s serving a higher purpose to those in charge. She never questions what she does and rather, she enjoys it. Villanelle is flamboyant and creative, acting much like a child. Killing men with fancy poison pins, clamping their balls, holding their ties into elevator doors, and gutting them like pigs in front of their scorned wives. It’s all a game, how she can make each kill more interesting than the last and we enjoy it. Seeing how she does it and what her thought process is behind it. But there really is no thought process, she kills because she wants to and that’s how simple it is. That’s what makes her different from everyone else. 

But what happens when we add Eve to her story? Villanelle becomes unraveled at the seams. Everything that she has worked for and trained herself to be, devoid of emotion with a lavish lifestyle with endless money, slowly becoming a life of the past. Eve shows her what a normal life is and can be for her, that she can put away  her anger and let herself feel all those emotions she’s tried so hard to keep hidden. To be herself, to be happy, and no longer fighting inside. 

Likewise, with Eve who understands Villanelle and wants to know more. She wants to know everything about her and she will throw away her normal life in a moment if she can get even a sliver of that. But Eve is the same, too. She wants to know what it’s like to kill in a world where having dark and angry thoughts is considered to be a bad thing and here’s Villanelle who embraces all of those things with wide open arms. It’s exciting to know that there is someone like her, who can equally understand that. She shows compassion and empathy to Villanelle for the first time ever and that overwhelms her. To know that a person like Villanelle is capable of being loved by someone like Eve, it’s beautiful, but it’s only possible because they are the same. 

Though, there are qualms with how their story unfolds. When we do see these women together, they bicker but they work well together. They’re enemies but they’re lovers. If they choose to and they can, to kill together, it’s one of the most dangerous things possibly ever in the world and everybody should be terrified of that. They can tear the world apart and rule it together. 

Ellie: 

When we first meet Ellie, she’s a bold, defensive 14 year old girl. Orphaned from a young age due to losing her mother, who was bitten by the infected, leaving Ellie with exposure to cordyceps which later would cause her to become immune when bitten by a runner. She’s in military school, where she was put by a somewhat surrogate mother, Marlene, because it is the safest place for her to be in the world we see. Then Joel and Tess come along, who are asked to smuggle her out of the city to Salt Lake to a group called the fireflies, who have a team that can create a vaccine from her. 

At first, we see Ellie as a girl with an extreme childlike wonder due to never being able to experience anything from the world before. All she sees is remnants of it. But when situations become dire, from Tess becoming infected, to the tragedy of Sam and Henry, we start to see a change in her. She learns how to use a gun from Joel, killing only when necessary but she enjoys it when she does. She wants the power that Joel does when he kills. So, where does this darkness come from? Is it who she is? Or is the cordyceps fungus that is growing in her brain? If she wasn’t infected and simply “just a girl”, would she have those same thoughts or feelings? We only ever saw Ellie briefly before becoming infected in The Left Behind DLC, where she was just a girl having fun and exploring the broken world with her best friend. So it’s hard to say if we’ll ever know the truth. 

And by the end of the first game, we start to see where more of this anger and guilt manifest. Because she was not able be the cure due to Joel’s love for her, she questions everything she is. Is she a monster, is she nothing? Her feelings are so strong that despite how hard she tries to hide it, she simply can’t. Every chance she has, she asks Joel the same question, or rather demands it, Tell Me The Truth. And each time she is lied to, the anger just becomes stronger, taking on a personality on its own. 

So, at the event of Joel’s death, it allows this anger to manifest and show itself in the deepest and strongest way possible. By hunting down and killing everyone and everything that had anything to do with it. Murdering people who have lives, who mean something to others, without any mind. And when she does find the people who were directly involved, only God can save them because Ellie does literally become an animal. But inside, we know she is still that girl we met at the mere age of 14. So, does it become difficult for us to see her mindlessly kill or does it become even more exciting and interesting? Because by the end of her journey, she saves and spares the life of the person who killed Joel. Would a monster do the same? That action shows that there is humanity inside her and she is just so broken inside from her own emotions, that, that is what controls her actions. 

With Dina, we see them fight but we see them comfort each other. They bicker but they trust each other and love each other. They are partners and where one goes, the other follows. They kill together and is just as rough around the edges as Ellie is. They protect each other, always. We see the tenderest of moments, sometimes it’s just a song, sometimes it’s through sickness, and other times it’s after Ellie kills someone, but they have each other, through it all. Ellie is loyal at all costs, to everyone she loves in her life. The only time she betrays that is through the pain she feels. But she realizes her mistakes and in the end, wants to make everything right again and follows her heart back to where it belongs. 

Father Figures:

Villanelle’s real father dies when she is young so the only father figure that is in her life, is Konstantin. He believes in her like nobody else does, but he is also afraid of her. He knows what Villanelle is capable of and tries to keep her at a distance, but his own love for her, his own curiosity doesn’t let him. She figures out he has a daughter and later on, takes her away from him by introducing her to the darkness. So, he tries to kill her, she tries to kill him, he tries to save her, she leaves him, it’s an endless cycle but it’s one that works for them. It’s a dynamic only they could have for each other, because they are not a real family, not connected by blood, which is a point Konstantin points out to her. But she is truly the only one that he has. His own actions despite the ones we would be led to think Villanelle caused. But in the last season, their relationship is strained. Why? It could be because of Villanelle’s attempted religious rebirth but it could be the effect of everything they have done to each other. Villanelle finally realizing that Konstantin continues to lie and hurt her, so she does the same to him.  And by the end of the series, it ends with Konstantin’s death, again by his own actions before they’re able to reconcile. 

Joel is Ellie’s father. Wholly and simply. Blood or not, that doesn’t matter. His lies to Ellie about the fireflies would regard the same outcome as if he was her father by blood. The hurt and anger is possibly even more because she knows what they have been through together. They crossed the country and saved each other from infected, and their lives have literally been dependent on each other. It was an easy decision for Joel to save Ellie, killing everyone that got in his way, much like Ellie would later kill everyone in her way to avenge Joel. So, them not speaking to each other and Ellie publicly berating him is not easy for Ellie. Especially when Joel lost his own daughter Sarah. But her choosing to want to fix that relationship is a brave one, when his death was less than 24 hours later. And Ellie finally choosing to let her life with Joel go, so she can live her own with Dina. 

Overview:

If you put these four characters together and switched their places, you would have a nearly similar outcome. Both Villanelle and Ellie are lesbians, while Eve and Dina are both bisexual. They are similar but different, but their stories are unique and borne of trauma, anger, and overwhelming emotions, which are calmed by love and humanity by Eve and Dina. 

(Disclaimer: Eve is not being sidelined to just Villanelle’s counterpart in this post, as Eve is her own person, this is just a comparison to Villanelle and Ellie’s stories)

TLDR:

They are the same person except Villanelle is clean and smells good, while Ellie is stinky and dirty.