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Okay, okay, so I started several canon lore opinion polls The other day (still got a few days left; also Tumblr knows allowing me multiple polls on one post would be too OP), and one of things I asked people about is what they would prefer Lestat and Louis to be addressed as. So far, the canon “Prince and Prince Consort” seems to be the leading opinion amongst the ten or so people who’ve answered, but I was thinking… Lestat was chosen as prince before taking The Sacred Core, but after… I feel like he earned the right to be called the vampire king (since Mekare was queen), thus making Louis his queen (or still prince consort) perhaps. I know it’s silly, and maybe in universe, someone probably suggested the elevated title to Lestat and he said no because prince is formal enough. Yes, I’m here to speculate how they’ll go about it in the show. Vampire King Lestat is cool and all, but unfortunately some people will find it offensive to have a white vampire king (I’m mixed race and I don’t care as long as Lestat does a good job geez everybody chill) but like… I don’t know! Let the husbands be King and King Consort to shake it up? Besides, maybe we can finally see Lestat and Louis as equals finally, as intended. I mean… Louis at this point is almost as powerful as Lestat. Can you imagine, the end of the journey, together as equals in not only the quiet dark, but in the face of many? And Lestat can finally tell people that Louis is his husband? I’m sorry for the mini rambling rant. I think I need to get more sleep…
Hmmmmmm :))) (Hope you got sleep now?^^)
Ok, so... hmm.
Within the context of the tale/universe Mekare (or Amel) chose Lestat as the successor, so he literally became the "king", true. For a while :))
Louis at that later point is almost as powerful as Lestat, and I bet they're also sharing blood regularly.
There is this term in the later books, "Blood Spouse", "Blood Wife" (and, by extension there must be a "Blood Husband"), and I can see them call each other that, easily.
Anne described their wedding on Facebook, too, so they are definitely on married status.
I'm pretty sure that Louis' status as "consort" and Blood Husband was more than clear at the end. He's the only one with any real power over Lestat after all *laughs*
I know what you mean here (re the titles), but... I'm unsure if the show will go here tbh. IF they do I bet there'll be some ribbing in regards to Lestat becoming the King after the events of Prince Lestat (I'd love that, preferably by Armand *coughs*), but... given his canon reluctance to even accept "prince" I bet he'd not want to be called that.
Sooooo in regards to Louis.... I think I would also (boringly I know) go with the "Prince and Prince Consort" thing... sorry^^^. And I think the show will likely stay within that canon context as well, IF they even go there. (Not meaning the book content itself here, we KNOW they already go there after all).
But I really want Lestat to introduce Louis to the older ones, like Gregory (for example), as his "Blood Husband".
I'm reading through Anne's notes during the writing of her unfinished novel "Lestat and King Louis XIV" and I just cannot get past her summary:
First of all, how did this woman hate fan fic so much when this is just Peak Crack Fic?
And imagine asking God for a miracle, for him to send an angel to help guide you, and getting... Lestat.
This guy.
Image text: I want to use the life and personality of Louis in the novel. I see Lestat being accosted by angels and told that he has to go back in history and that he has to become the guide of Louis XIV.
Time is presented as circular. Things are going on all the time. The King has prayed for an angel and no one is better qualified for this job than Lestat.
If you'd like to read the first 7 chapters of "Lestat and King Louis XIV", @suikamelon6 and I have been editing the photographed pages into accessible text over on AO3: https://archiveofourown.org/works/53417254/
The whole framing of Lestat as the sole symbol of patriarchy that fandom is so desperate to put him in doesn't work unless you deliberately ignore how he was also a victim of rape and abuse before he was turned. People want him to be fit into this strict role of "father figure/violent husband/perpetrator" that is only that and not even a whole person, and in doing so they need to push aside the fact that despite being his family's provider, he was also pushed into that role when his father forbid him from joining a monastery or gaining an education that he wanted. Lestat wanted to run away with a theater group as a kid, and actually managed to do so once Gabrielle gave him her blessing and monetary support in order to go to Paris. He didn't always want to be the provider, he was forced into that role and became despondent when he thought he would never get a chance to leave his home.
His new life prior to being turned is pretty much the antithesis to the whole "Lestat is a manly man who would sooner throw up than be compared to a woman" spiel: he lived with another man in Paris while also being an actor, having left his family and "responsibility" to them. The only family member he was ever close to was his mother, all the other male members shunned or ridiculed him. Add onto that the fact that his turning firmly placed him within the role of the damsel/victim: he's kidnapped from his bed by a stranger, taken into a tower and left to rot while being fed on for a week, before then being raped and violently turned all while never even being asked if he would consent to it in any normal circumstance. But you of course have to ignore all of this if you want him to only represent the aggressor/patriarch while Louis is the helpless unhappy matriarch of the family.
My issue isn't that I think Louis isn't a victim, it's that it's not unrealistic for Lestat to be an aggressor/abuser while also displaying traits that aren't regularly assigned to stereotypical depictions of male characters. He's abusive to Claudia while also having been a victim of abuse from his own family. He's not a good maker/teacher, but he also didn't even have one when he was turned. He's the provider/attempted protector of the family and seemed to like being that, while also having run away from his own family prior to this to act in a theater in Paris. He's a rich white man while also being obviously effeminate in public spaces, even to Tom's own bigoted humor.
Like Louis' own complicated story with being his family's benefactor and provider, you can't firmly place Lestat as being one thing or another in terms of gender ideals without deliberately ignoring parts about him that don't fit this. And I don't think it's an absolute necessity, when even in Louis' own story, Lestat isn't stripped of his effeminate mannerisms or behavior while also being the abusive maker/father/lover.
Descole's theme live version - Villain: Jean Descole (It was the live version that was submitted)
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In Circles/_n C_rcl_s - Villain: Sybil Reisz
Going to include the propaganda for this one because it seems important: "sadly can't get this across with the ost recording, but Sybil is being taken over by the Process, in game, the song gradually switches from In Circles to _n C_rcles, and grows more distorted as Sybil is Processed more and more"
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Ya Got Trouble - Villain: Harold Hill
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Evil Like Me - Villain: Maleficent
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Be Prepared Reprise - Villain: Scar
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The Madness of King Scar - Villain: Scar (and hyenas)
Six pages in and this unpublished book actually feels like what is missing between what we got.
(I know this was shared on Twitter by someone, too, but:)
"I was so young when I made Louis, I couldn't give him great strength. But I gave him love. And I fed off his capacity to love me and love others. Ah, that was the season for fervent embraces, soft spoken words and tender soundless kisses -- the years of making Louis and Claudia."
So I saw a clip from V for Vendetta on TikTok and it got me thinking about all the fucked up men I was madly in love with as a child. I made a list with the one rule being that I had to have a crush on them BEFORE middle school.
Here's what I ended up with.
Anybody who wants to know what's wrong with me should reference this post.
Okay, I've just compiled ALL THE POSTS I could find about Anne Rice's material in Tulane, in the tag #tulane anne rice (I hope this damn thing works).
Most stuff was posted by @kaelio and @thecactifindahome.
@suikamelon6 is putting the "Lestat and King Louis XIV" novel on AO3 here; and has it as PDFs here.
@nalyra-dreaming compiled ALL THE WORKS into a zip file here.
Some of the other posts are from @monstersinthecosmos, @apoptoses, @hekateinhell, @somevagrantchild, @iwtv-kael, @virginiaisforvampires.